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Jason 22nd March 2012 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Amuro_Ray (Post 2839302)
If get #2 finally, I just afraid one thing........It is A Best 3 in this year..

I was just thinking about this in work today :P Not that A BEST 3 will get released because of the low sales. But that I feel we're kind of due another best of compilation. we're 6 full albums (I know Secret was out before AB2 but there was no songs from Secret on it...) and 1 mini album removed from A BEST 2...

*looks at wallet and sighs*

KuuXAyu-fan 22nd March 2012 02:42 AM

But then the sales will get split between the yearly ranking for this year and then next. I hate it when that happens. :/

truehappiness 22nd March 2012 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 2839308)
But then the sales will get split between the yearly ranking for this year and then next. I hate it when that happens. :/

Well, they'll figure something out. She released Love songs 8 months after Rock'n'Roll Circus and if she somehow manages to create a November/December album for 2012 she could very well do the same and preserve a "#1 every year" streak. Of course, that period of time is also very heavy with top contenders releasing albums so it's not a guarantee by any means that she'd get to the top.

ayuuk 22nd March 2012 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Amuro_Ray (Post 2839302)
If get #2 finally, I just afraid one thing........It is A Best 3 in this year..

Why would relatively low sales suggest an A BEST 3? I am guessing, though, Avex would save that till next year? (But I am more interested in studio albums, rather than best/compilation albums.)

As for the sales, I am kinda curious about what the weekly sales would be like.

SunshineSlayer 22nd March 2012 02:57 AM

^ So that she can keep her record of having a number 1 album every year.

ayuuk 22nd March 2012 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2839319)
^ So that she can keep her record of having a number 1 album every year.

But what about GUILTY?

truehappiness 22nd March 2012 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ayuuk (Post 2839318)
Why would relatively low sales suggest an A BEST 3? I am guessing, though, Avex would save that till next year? (But I am more interested in studio albums, rather than best/compilation albums.)

As for the sales, I am kinda curious about what the weekly sales would be like.

It would only potentially happen if she didn't get #1 which isn't really guaranteed yet. Maybe when she gets 30k+ behind ABC? Even then, I wonder if she'll have a crazy weekend boost for whatever reason?

It's thought that A COMPLETE was released in 2008 because GUILTY was unable to get #1 for that Oricon year.

SunshineSlayer 22nd March 2012 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ayuuk (Post 2839320)
But what about GUILTY?


A-Complete was released the same year, thus her having a number 1 album every year was kept alive.

ayuuk 22nd March 2012 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2839324)
A-Complete was released the same year, thus her having a number 1 album every year was kept alive.

So it doesn't have to be studio albums for the No. 1 album record?

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2839321)
It would only potentially happen if she didn't get #1 which isn't really guaranteed yet. Maybe when she gets 30k+ behind ABC? Even then, I wonder if she'll have a crazy weekend boost for whatever reason?

It's thought that A COMPLETE was released in 2008 because GUILTY was unable to get #1 for that Oricon year.

Crazy weekend boost? Is that likely?

Thanks for the info on A COMPLETE, didn't think about that. I thought it was because of her 10th anniversary, though at that time I did find it a little weird given we just had A BEST 2 in 2007.

truehappiness 22nd March 2012 03:08 AM

It's not likely but it's a possibility. Mirrorcle World had an INSANE weekend boost after almost losing out to Shuchishin but that was thanks to concerts, it seems.

Here's a look at Mirrorcle's first week:
Spoiler:

[1st Week]

2008.04.07

Position: #1
Index: 21,355
Estimate Sales (1st Day): 21,355 x 1.75 = 37,371


2008.04.08

Position: #1
Index: 16,180
Estimate Sales (2nd Day): 16,180 x 1.75 = 28,315


2008.04.09

Position: #2
Index: 9,332
Estimate Sales (3rd Day): 9,332 x 1.75 = 16,331


2008.04.10

Position: #2
Index: 4,997
Estimate Sales (4th Day): 4,997 x 1.75 = 8,745


2008.04.11

Position: #2
Index: 4,324
Estimate Sales (5th Day): 4,324 x 1.75 = 7,567


2008.04.12

Position: #2
Index: 12,772
Estimate Sales (6th Day): 12,772 x 1.75 = 22,351


2008.04.13

Position: #1
Index: 16,638
Estimate Sales (7th Day): 16,638 x 1.75 = 29,116


I think Ayu could probably still snatch the number one in the coming days. It's still way too early to call IMO.

Another odd example is when HEAVEN was #2, #3, and #4 in the first week before ending up as #1 for the rest of the week resulting in a #1 at the end of the week.

Amuro_Ray 22nd March 2012 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2839306)
Well, it has been a little over 5 years since A BEST 2....

However, I think they may wait for the 15th anniversary for A BEST 3.

I think that if this gets #2, we'll just get a new album at the VERY end of this Oricon year?

I think it is more hard for her to get #1 for 14th album.. (Sales will be lower than PQ probably.
As Avex still want Ayu to keep the record about "having #1 album every year" so I just afraid A Best 3 will be launched this year..

KuuXAyu-fan 22nd March 2012 03:19 AM

I'm not sure if this is exactly relevant but could someone post daily sales for the first week of ABC's last studio album? I just would like to see the sales pattern for his albums.

orbitalaspect 22nd March 2012 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ohsixthirty (Post 2838993)
so...in order to restore her career, gain back her fans, etc... ayu should cancel her upcoming tour? yeah, i'm sure that would really make her fans go wild with happiness. :rolleyes

as for timmy/urata/juno using ayu to boost their careers, i am so sick of this argument. ayu does what she wants. if she wants to work with these people, it is her decision, its not as if they have tricked her into working with them just for their own gain. ayu did it because she wanted to. timmy is prominent right now because ayu is doing what she wants.

and most people are wondering whether ayu is a solo artist or a group now? uhmmm...i think most people are not wondering that at all. did we wonder that when shuya was in her PVs and in all her concerts? nope. obviously, some people don't like timmy, but i really think people are over exaggerating how much he's being featured. the only part where he is really obvious is in the NaNaNa rap, all his appearances in PVs and etc... are no different than Shuya's appearances or even random background chorals.

I think it would give her time off to actually focus on her music and not so much pushing out a record in less than two months. Her albums take the least amount of time to make of anyone I've known, and she actually seems to spend less time on an album as time goes on. Maybe some time investment in the music would help her bounce back like it did with Namie?

It's either Timmy or these guys grasping for straws, or it's Ayu just doing whatever is convenient at the moment? I like collabs, but she's working with people who aren't known. It would be nice to see her work with another well-established musician instead of someone Avex is trying to get a solo record ready for.

There have been numerous threads on AHS about whether SHU-YA and Ayumi were an item, whether he was gay, etc.. And tons of threads about how tired people were of seeing him everywhere. I've seen at least 3 in the 2.5 years I've been on and off of here just about whether they were dating or not.
I don't have a problem with Timmy being featured, but he's not as much a feature on this album. He is literally everywhere, in the production, in the songs, singing and rapping his own lines, having his own scenes in Ayu's PVs... I think it's a lot for someone no one really gives a damn about to be in so many places. I want this record for Ayumi. I didn't want a good collaboration on FIVE to turn into a full-blown album of "Party Queen ~Timmy Sing-Along Songs, Vol. 1~".

He's in the "KANPAI" in Party Queen; sings background vocals and raps in NaNaNa; background vocals in Shake It<3; background vocals in call; background vocals in Letter; background vocals on reminds me; choir in Return Road; complementary and background vocals in Tell me why; very clearly in the next LOVE; clearly in Eyes, Smoke, Magic background vocals and other complements; and he is the choir and background vocal in how beautiful you are. I am really surprised that he didn't invade the interludes and shout "TIMMY! TI-TI-Tiiiiiimmmy!" during taskebab. He's in two PVs (wasn't he in hbya too?!)

Several people have asked me if this is an "Ayu x Timmy" record. That's why I mention that people are confused as to whether Ayumi is still doing solo work.

truehappiness 22nd March 2012 03:34 AM

*2 30,765 Acid Black Cherry
*2 17,481 Acid Black Cherry
*2 10,579 Acid Black Cherry
*2 *6,569 Acid Black Cherry
*2 *5,539 Acid Black Cherry
*2 *6,335 Acid Black Cherry
*2 *2,769 Acid Black Cherry

He was 2nd to Arashi's ALL THE BEST.

 NEXT LE Rock'n' Love so FIVE  
―――――――――――――――――――――
月 ---,---  ---,---  ---,---  ---,---
火 *99,200 *85,142 *70,669 *56,258  
水 *48,318 *42,288 *36,911 *27,004 
木 *24,935 *19,693 *21,854 *13,008 
金 *17,208 *15,297 *14,303 **9,235 
土 *18,089 *16,737 *12,729 **8,161 
日 *20,167 *14,841 *10,981 **9,078 
―――――――――――――――――――――
計 227,917 193,998 167,387 122,744 
初 240,810 205,058 180,048 127,024 
―――――――――――――――――――――
累 379,989 318,454 272,653 213,495 

Ayu's previous first weeks as a comparison.

Bigtop 22nd March 2012 03:34 AM

Unlucky 13?

brener 22nd March 2012 04:00 AM

probably =\\

jyujiw 22nd March 2012 04:02 AM

I'm a little sad with the sales, they don't mean a lot to me, but it's always nice seeing her on top. =)
But with the huge lack of promotion, it's understandable, one more point about being a "conceptual album": low sales haha xD

And AHS, why such a drama? People who are hating ayu since 2009 as it seems, please, log off. It's pretty simple ;)

bluegie 22nd March 2012 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2839326)

Another odd example is when HEAVEN was #2, #3, and #4 in the first week before ending up as #1 for the rest of the week resulting in a #1 at the end of the week.

Hmmn... I thought HEAVEN was no. 3 for two days and no. 1 for the rest of the week.. maybe I'm wrong :P.

Lots of reasons what bad sales, yet it's not the end of the week. Even if it's getting no. 2 in the end, it's not the end of the world.

truehappiness 22nd March 2012 04:28 AM

The #4 is fuzzy but I'm pretty sure she was 3rd and 2nd at some point.

brener 22nd March 2012 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jyujiw (Post 2839350)
I'm a little sad with the sales, they don't mean a lot to me, but it's always nice seeing her on top. =)
But with the huge lack of promotion, it's understandable, one more point about being a "conceptual album": low sales haha xD

And AHS, why such a drama? People who are hating ayu since 2009 as it seems, please, log off. It's pretty simple ;)

agreed!


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