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voltron 24th May 2018 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3273224)
So, people want her to get deep, but don't want her to get personal. Want her to be artistic, but don't want her to be too bold or take creative risks. Want her to take her time to make music, but don't want her to not release something for longer than 1 year. Want her to focus her tours on the music, but want it to be grand and extravagant. Want her to do something fresh, but want her to capture her classic sound from the early 00's. And they want her to be mature, but want her to have teen angst on her lyrics.
+500

Uknow! 24th May 2018 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3273224)

So, people want her to get deep, but don't want her to get personal. Want her to be artistic, but don't want her to be too bold or take creative risks. Want her to take her time to make music, but don't want her to not release something for longer than 1 year. Want her to focus her tours on the music, but want it to be grand and extravagant. Want her to do something fresh, but want her to capture her classic sound from the early 00's. And they want her to be mature, but want her to have teen angst on her lyrics.
+1000

Best summary ever, it is gold.

SunshineSlayer 24th May 2018 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by voltron (Post 3273206)
Some interesting debates going on here, and I think I fall somewhere in the middle.

While I do see Ayu being more of an artist overall now than earlier in her career (choosing the types of songs she wants, releasing at her own pace, not going on TV, etc.), she definitely does have an image of "Ayumi Hamasaki" in her head that is in some ways a product. And everything she does is trying to refine that image further. I feel like that's why some of her tours, music, etc. may feel repetitive to people - because she's not working toward a new goal, just trying to further solidify the image she has for herself. I think as a touring artist, a lot of what she does in the rest of her career is dictated by what will/will not work in a live setting. So maybe I would classify Ayu as a "genuine product" for lack of a better term.

As for Namie, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole too much, and I'll preface it with the fact that I've also loved her for a long time. That said, Namie is more of an actual product - and there's nothing wrong with that. My reasoning for that belief is that she keeps an extremely strong separation of private and professional - we know almost nothing about her as an individual person in the last 5-10 years or more. She is a product for consumption and entertainment. That's not to say she doesn't make choices in what she wants to do, or how she wants to be perceived - but what we're seeing is a conscious choice, not Namie as a person.
So much good debate and long discussions here. I don't have time to write a ton, so I thought I'd just quote the above post as it pretty much expresses how I feel about it as well.

Aderianu 24th May 2018 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3273224)
So, people want her to get deep, but don't want her to get personal. Want her to be artistic, but don't want her to be too bold or take creative risks. Want her to take her time to make music, but don't want her to not release something for longer than 1 year. Want her to focus her tours on the music, but want it to be grand and extravagant. Want her to do something fresh, but want her to capture her classic sound from the early 00's. And they want her to be mature, but want her to have teen angst on her lyrics.
and ayu is like (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Party_King 24th May 2018 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3273224)
So, people want her to get deep, but don't want her to get personal. Want her to be artistic, but don't want her to be too bold or take creative risks. Want her to take her time to make music, but don't want her to not release something for longer than 1 year. Want her to focus her tours on the music, but want it to be grand and extravagant. Want her to do something fresh, but want her to capture her classic sound from the early 00's. And they want her to be mature, but want her to have teen angst on her lyrics.
Can I merry you for this comment? ��
THIS is EXACTLY how some of ayu's fans acting since forever!
I can't stand it anymore...
Just complaining about everything she does.
What she wants doesn't matter in any way.
These people should read lyrics like WARNING more carefully: she isn't your doll you can play how you like to!
Ayu has her own mind since day one and this is what the most people love about her...
Let her doing the things the way she wants to!

BTW to the people complaining about how she should concentrate on new music instead of touring: did you ever understand ayu?
She said so many times she loves being on stage...

Andrenekoi 24th May 2018 07:01 PM
^Send me some pics inbox and we can discuss it :B

Now, seriously, I bet people would complain if she stopped touring too.

Corvina 24th May 2018 07:29 PM
Some fans are more invested in an artist than others.
And of course different fans want different things, cause they like different things, even for the same artist (and the public, meaning the more casual listeners is a whole other point).
So I don't see a problem there with different opinions being expressed.

Evan Odinson 24th May 2018 07:29 PM
^^Of course they would lol

Party_King I remember I said a similar thing about WARNING and that fans should pay attention to its lyrics and message a looong time ago and some people here took it as if I was being rude, like it was a "shut up" from my part :laugh

//ABEST 24th May 2018 08:56 PM
its funny how in every single thread in here only discussion everyone is having is is it correct to dislike or like things she does. it's getting tired :tired it's getting on my nerve to scroll pages and pages of off topic discussions when all i wanna do is look at her social media and read the translations of her messages

i don't get why people follows and listen to her and check in here every single day if they dislike her so much, i wouldn't spend my time like that. don't people have anything else to do? please, i think most of us are adults

Katsuyuki012 24th May 2018 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3273203)
Their thesis is contraditory.

How come she is more a product now that she openly doess whatever she wants compared to when she actually was trying to please the public to remain relevant and interesting?

How come she will be less of a product by putting what the public wants from her above whatever she feels like doing to her career?

Asking her to please their expectations of what she should be doing is the closest thing to being a product they could ask from her. Pressuring her over social media and asking her producer to "do something about her" too are behaviors you have while dealing with a product.

If they are worried about her sales, her chart positions, the japanese public perception of her, her markering strategies, they are worried about her as a product.

Now, there's nothing wrong about that, because Ayu as a popstar IS a product as much as your other next pop star is, but if they want that from her, at least own it.
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3273224)
So, people want her to get deep, but don't want her to get personal. Want her to be artistic, but don't want her to be too bold or take creative risks. Want her to take her time to make music, but don't want her to not release something for longer than 1 year. Want her to focus her tours on the music, but want it to be grand and extravagant. Want her to do something fresh, but want her to capture her classic sound from the early 00's. And they want her to be mature, but want her to have teen angst on her lyrics.
+∞

Sky High 24th May 2018 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3273224)


So, people want her to get deep, but don't want her to get personal. Want her to be artistic, but don't want her to be too bold or take creative risks. Want her to take her time to make music, but don't want her to not release something for longer than 1 year. Want her to focus her tours on the music, but want it to be grand and extravagant. Want her to do something fresh, but want her to capture her classic sound from the early 00's. And they want her to be mature, but want her to have teen angst on her lyrics.

+999999

WARNING lyrics tells everything.

melissalove 24th May 2018 11:57 PM
ayu will never satisfy either the public or any particular person. It’s best to love her for who she is and not what we want her to be.
:P

EndOfTheWorld 25th May 2018 12:47 AM
Wow. AHS is having a "leave Britney alone!" moment, but with Ayu instead.:no:laugh

Evan Odinson 25th May 2018 01:01 AM
^I don't agree, we're not crying over it, we're giving proper and strong arguments of the unjustified negativity she gets now and then (When I say negativity I don't mean someone disliking certain song, album, performance or tour, that's normal and personal taste, I mean those random comments of that she should retire or that her career is over)

EndOfTheWorld 25th May 2018 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Evan Odinson (Post 3273263)
^I don't agree, we're not crying over it, we're giving proper and strong arguments of the unjustified negativity she gets now and then (When I say negativity I don't mean someone disliking certain song, album, performance or tour, that's normal and personal taste, I mean those random comments of that she should retire or that her career is over)
Yeah I think so. What is this all about anyway? Because of the post by ayu_ready? So what. Everything was calm in this thread and now suddenly there is a fervor of very defensive fans. And this is all off topic for this thread.
Who cares if people write her off as a has been or say she is washed up or should retire? You can't let every little insulting comment trigger you. Even during Ayu's prime she had much criticism. No matter what there will be people against her sadly.:bsigh

Machiko 25th May 2018 01:55 AM
^ Just because we disagree doesn't mean we're "triggered" or insulted? What's this attitude against people defending Ayu and disagreeing with the "critics", how come we can't express our opinions but you can? We're suddenly accused of being "triggered" if we do!

I keep seeing some posts saying that no one is allowed to criticize Ayu or have negative opinions here, but I feel it's the complete opposite. Like right now.

EndOfTheWorld 25th May 2018 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Machiko (Post 3273267)
^ Just because we disagree doesn't mean we're "triggered" or insulted? What's this attitude against people defending Ayu and disagreeing with the "critics", how come we can't express our opinions but you can? We're suddenly accused of being "triggered" if we do!

I keep seeing some posts saying that no one is allowed to criticize Ayu or have negative opinions here, but I feel it's the complete opposite. Like right now.
You are misunderstanding what I am saying and putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about it being wrong to disagree about anything. I infact agree and also disagree with many things being said on both sides. The problem with this current argument is that it is 2 extreme opposing opinions when the real truth lies in the middle of both sides.
Who said you can't express your opinions? I would never say that and I am probably the one who fights the most to defend diverse opinions in this forum.
I used the word triggered because this thread was just getting back on topic until suddenly there is pages and pages of posts criticizing the very fan base that they belong to and claiming some kind of moral high ground because they simply support everything Ayu does.
As for your last remark. Those comments are most likely from me. I won't even entertain that idea! It's whenever the slightest criticism shows up that it creates a problem. The same set of fans come out to preach down to everyone. Like right now!

Amalgam 25th May 2018 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EndOfTheWorld (Post 3273268)
You are misunderstanding what I am saying and putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about it being wrong to disagree about anything. I infact agree and also disagree with many things being said on both sides. The problem with this current argument is that it is 2 extreme opposing opinions when the real truth lies in the middle of both sides.
Who said you can't express your opinions? I would never say that and I am probably the one who fights the most to defend diverse opinions in this forum.
I used the word triggered because this thread was just getting back on topic until suddenly there is pages and pages of posts criticizing the very fan base that they belong to and claiming some kind of moral high ground because they simply support everything Ayu does.
As for your last remark. Those comments are most likely from me. I won't even entertain that idea! It's whenever the slightest criticism shows up that it creates a problem. The same set of fans come out to preach down to everyone. Like right now!
SO. TRUE.
I understand that you want to defend Ayu and I get it, but 1) it’s ALWAYS the same people who jump down other members’ throats or invalidate their feelings with some flippant comment, and 2) There’s a clear bias as to who can and who cannot state negative criticism. There are members on this forum who are VERY harsh —to the point where it’s almost downright insulting to Ayu— who can say anything about her and not receive these lectures. I’ve even pointed this out about a member here and was basically told that “XX can say whatever they want “. Like...?

Machiko 25th May 2018 03:23 AM
Well...

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Originally Posted by EndOfTheWorld (Post 3273264)
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Originally Posted by Evan Odinson (Post 3273263)
^I don't agree, we're not crying over it, we're giving proper and strong arguments of the unjustified negativity she gets now and then (When I say negativity I don't mean someone disliking certain song, album, performance or tour, that's normal and personal taste, I mean those random comments of that she should retire or that her career is over)
Yeah I think so. What is this all about anyway? Because of the post by ayu_ready? So what. Everything was calm in this thread and now suddenly there is a fervor of very defensive fans. And this is all off topic for this thread.
Who cares if people write her off as a has been or say she is washed up or should retire? You can't let every little insulting comment trigger you. Even during Ayu's prime she had much criticism. No matter what there will be people against her sadly.:bsigh
The word 'Triggered' means insulted, upset or offended, and that's what your post above comes across as —as if we can't say anything but the "critics" can whenever and whatever and if we respond that we disagree, we're blamed for getting "triggered". If you want the conversation to not go out of topic, then how about addressing the person who changed it in the first place, who "triggered" the people who disagreed? And now you're saying that we're "preaching"? I'm so lost as to what you're trying to say because what I understand from your comments is me "putting words in your mouth" when I'm literally just pointing out what you said...

How I see it, expressing negative opinion is more than encouraged (and far more defended than positive) and the norm here, discussions very often go just people pointlessly dissing Ayu for pages without anyone coming in with a slightly more positive thought to add, so like... what. Sometimes members on this forum talk about Ayu as is they were straight up haters and that's normal.

Andrenekoi 25th May 2018 03:30 AM
^^I'm sorry, but "being able to disagreeing" must go both ways, and that's the purpose of a forum. If people want to state opinions without disagreement they should do that a social media were they can just block the comments.

Other than that, it's natural for people to get bothered when some people bring up the same complaints every other thread, like it happens sometimes. Like we got it, you didn't like x, u can stop telling us that :P


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