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Although I am a little disappointed too, I still have my faith in Ayu. As everyone has said, it has been a mediocre year for her, but we don't know her entire story or reasons why. I've always though it kind of bizarre to say the least to have more singles than new material on an album, but there's nothing we can do about it.
Am I going to get the album? Yes, but not now. I'm still needing to get LOVEppears and I Am... first, then maybe whatever this album will be called. (any news on that?) *sigh* Still gotta love her though...the cover better be great for all of this fuss XD |
It sounds like a lot of people are being dissappointed by this album. Well first off, I'd like to say that AVEX rocks. Next, I think AVEX is experimenting with this album. It's going to be the first Ayumi album that includes a DVD. Maybe that costs a lot more to produce? I think this album will sell very well, I don't see any reason why it shouldn't. All the songs on this album are good, and I have no doubt it will please any new listeners of Ayu. I can safely say that I am looking forward to this album. If you don't like the album or think AVEX is being cheap, then don't buy it. But that is no reason to keep talking like they are garbage.
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CD 1 Angel's Song (Panasonic D-Snap:CMイメージソング) 2 Grateful Days(全国ＣＸ系『ayu ready?』:テーマソング) 3 Because Of You(Panasonic LUMIX:CMイメージソング) 4 Ourselves(コーセーヴィセ:TV-CFソング) 5 Hanabi 〜Episode II〜 6 No Way To Say(ＴＢＳ系全国ネット『恋するハニカミ！』:テーマソング) 7 Forgiveness(ＴＢＳ系ドラマ『高原へいらっしゃい』: 蜻濶ﾌ) 8 bonus track（ボーナストラック収録予定） disc 2 DVD 1 Angel's Song 2 Grateful Days 3 Because Of You 4 Ourselves 5 Hanabi 〜Episode II〜 6 No Way To Say 7 Forgiveness 8 （映像特典収録予定） |
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well...i lyk a lotta avex's artists, i just dont like their marketing strategies..
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Are you sure that the tracklist is just 8 tracks only? I personally won't think of it as so because Ayu has been releasing like 15 tracks in her album all along. Although it may be some sort of experimenting with her album, I think Avex knows better what the consumers want, which are her songs so I think it's better to wait and see till everything is confirmed.
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The idea of a mini album is still way too much for me......iｴm deceived....I was even considering on buying it but only if it were something complete....and now for a half thing? forget it..... |
exactly my thoughts...
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sigh....
I guess Avex really wants to make money out of Ayu most of her loyal fans probably have all the songs' singles already... now there are only 3 more new songs...so basically those fans are buying 3 songs and a DVD on the PVs they can download online... Avex is really....XXXXX |
Oh geez, I wish Ayu gave the executives a big slap and some good scratching when they decided to do this. They had better shove in more tracks when it's released...=/
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AHHHHH!!!! stupid AVEX!!!
all they want is MONEY..MOney and money!! they are using AYU popularity before its gone... ill buy the album but it wont be my best album!!! |
This isnt the end of ayumi is it? :cry
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No full length 6th album, obviously because there's not enough new material to whack on it. and yea, cdjapan is wrong, HMV and yesasia has a matching tracklisting
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actually amuro namie and boa r doing the same thing, they will also release cd+dvd set album
i dun think there's anything wrong w/ it tho |
I wonder how the cover will look....
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I'll still get it no matter what because we should support Ayumi! Well, about BoA and Namie Amuro doing the same thing, I think well, that should be ok. Anyway, it's just quite saddening that they are going to do so, just hope that there's more they could do about it. But things seem rather confirmed ... just feel a bit disappointed with what Avex is doing. Perhaps it's to cater to the Japanese? I definitely agree on the point that Avex might want to try out something new and doing what they think makes money. Perhaps it's because of Ayu Ready and other things that Ayumi doesn't have time to concentrate more on her music.
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EXILE's upcoming release But unlike Ayu's release, these will have more tracks... while they've released quite a bit this year, I'm still a bit disappointed by Ayu's current lineup of a tracklist. |
i wonder why doesn't avex put all the songs in & in the new album...like the theme of a-nation is not that
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WoW! thx for info
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but i guess for exile and boa.....maybe the dvd in their discs wont be as good as ayu's? i mean there wont be like 7 pvs in the dvds |
yea.. it's kinda weird....:confused
like that something not right why do three of there company think of the same way? to compete? copy?:caa |
the whole point of this album is that its the first japanese audio / video concept album...
i agree that only 8 tracks really sucks, altho ill get this album for the dvd. i dont think this is a sign that shes quitting because shes still doing the 2003-2004 tour remember? so the a-dvd of [A BEST] would surely be released after the tour had ended if it was because shed decided shed had enough. ayu wa saiko- |
Well, hey, I guess Ayu and Avex figure that after 5 full length original albums, she can slack off on her 6th album.
Besides, with Hikki releasing in the US in January, buying her album will quickly make me forget my Ayu sorrows. It will be the first time I've ever been able to buy JPOP in the US! |
I wish that at least they redo some of the single tracks. I mean, it would be cool to have "Album mixes" of the single tracks so that it wouldnｴt be all the exactly same tracks again.
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Oh yeah, that was another thing I hated about Ayu trance 2: it brought us samples of "I am..." and "Free & Easy" trance mixes that we never got full versions of. Errr..... :(
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i can't wait! thanx for the news |
I won't believe these rumours until we see the 6th Album CMs.
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*shrug* i'm not too woried anymore..check this out..
http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.asp...section-music/ "H/\L - SINGLES" is almost identical to what ayu's releasing (except with one more track). ..i wont be too suprised if it's just simply titled AYU SINGLES and has a picture of a necklace that says AYU ont eh cover. :P |
hmm... I'm not sure of Ayu's CD being that "simple", although it'd be quite the change if she did (seeing as this mini-album is already a change from her previous releases). As I told you, it'd be quite the surprise if the album was called "Ayumi Hamasaki", but I'm sure there'll be more news about this within the coming week ;)
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Uggh...that's different, Avex was giving up on H/\L then went with promoting d.a.t., probably why so little effort was put into it. That H/\L singles if you do a search on Oricon sadly only peaked at around the 40th ranking -__-"
I don't think Ayu would be that bland though, afterall the new songs are just random stuff wacked on, they still have their CM tie-ups~ |
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Well good thing the album wont have anymore new musicm i didnt really like the style that she was presenting this year. I hope she does something tottaly different for her 7th album singles.
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Okay, I was reading the little news promotion of this at HMV... and it seems like the idea here is a concept album. They were saying things "This is the FIRST TIME EVER an artist is releasing an album that is also all videos, blah blah blah... Ayumi.... ARTISTIC.... blah blah... she's always doing new things!" so the vibes that gives me is that Ayumi is doing this to be "artist" like. The idea of releasing all the PVs is part of the album and not just a PV collection... hummmm. I guess we'll find out for sure eventually!
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It's gonna be cool, but I don't think it has as much new song power as rainbow... And if you don't have a DVD player than can play a japanese DVD than you're kinda screwed like me. But I'm exicied...sorta...well maybe not really It sounds like it's another DUTY...(Short for ayu album)
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all da songs r good but the length is just really dissapointing...plus i dont have a DVD player..
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booooooooooooo *covwers ears* I DONT WANA HEAR ANYMORRRE!!! :(
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Or maybe they're releasing an album like that to make fans talk and think about it more than about her other albums and to post threads like this one on their Ayumi Forums :P
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It's ridiculous how many old tracks are on it..
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But if they'd release a regular 6th album it would have just as many 'old' tracks [just a bit more new ones]. Besides, they're not that old.
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i wouldnt call those tracks "old" tracks.......if they havent released in an album, they r not old to me
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HMV slightly updated the album link, still listing the tracklisting as what's been posted before, so I suppose this will be the final tracklist. I'm surprised there weren't at least short songs like "taskinillusion", etc. added to this album...
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:laugh sxesven, u read my mind. :D
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It seems as though there was less effort put into this album...but lets be optimistic!!
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Let's hope there's a lot of good footage on the dvd and some nice pictures in the booklet..
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oh yeah...forgot about the booklet
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
THIS IS ON YUKI'S KURISUMASU LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :eek |
well, since Christmas is near... why not ask mommy/daddy or family for a all region DVD player! Yesasia.com is awesome with that stuff... their player rocks! Not THAT expensive either, for that model... vuy it... they you can watch all of Ayu's DVD's without having to worry about overseas or japap versions ;)
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? is the DVD included with the CD?
it CD+DVD also in overseas version...? me cuz wanna buy both :) |
There's currently 2 versions you can get at YesAsia:
CD+DVD (Japan Version) US$32.99: http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.asp...on-all/did-97/ CD (Japan Version) US$23.99: http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.asp...on-all/did-97/ |
But I'm guessing they'll release an Overseas version as well.
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2-3 new songs... not a bad album but it shall be my worst ayu's CD album :weep . The only thing worthy about this album is the DVD. I'd say buy it as if it's A Clips 3 :) |
The dvd doesn't have some of the Pvs.. I'd like to see and hear ANGEL'S SONG though.
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Check Divine Fang's Ayu website, go to downloads section. You can see the new Panasonic Snap CM there, and it has Angel's Song as BGM. It's actually quite promising if you ask me [but you didn't lol]!
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Please please PLEASE read this everyone...
I know ayu has disappointed us alot lately, but did any of you ever bother to think that ayu's been spoiling us the past 5 years? No one releases remix albums with the frequency that she does, not even strictly dance/pop artists. So we have no right to complain about ayu-mi-x 5 being late or not including an Acoustic Orchestra version. Lots of groups release ballad albums, and most of them are COMPLETELY rehashed, no re-recordings or remixes or anything. So no right to complain about A BALLADS at all unless the quality of the tracks themselves is what we're complaining about. Ayu Trance 2 was by no means a total rehash. There were alot of songs on there that were new. The megamix format is what got me angry because i wanted standalone versions of the new songs. :P The wait for singles is not unreasonable. Ayu used to release a new single once every month or two. now it's about 3 or 4 months between singles, just like most NORMAL artists. a six-month wait, while annoying, isn't that bad all things considered. Ayu's job is rough. she needs a break occasionally, or sometimes she just can't get some lyrics write. If we want good-quality songs we'll have to wait sometimes. I'd rather have GOOD songs released slowly than crap churned out at assembly-line speed, personally. 8 songs also isn't that bad of a number when you think of how much she's already released. A Song for XX had 16 songs. LOVEppears had 16, plus a bonus track, plus 5 songs on the second disc, making a total of 22 songs. Duty had 12 songs. I am... had 15 songs plus "flower garden", making 16. RAINBOW had 15, unless you count "+" as a song itself, which again makes 16. That's 82 songs over 5 albums. Most artists release about 12 songs per album, taking them to only 60 songs at this point in their career, if they even make it this far. Ayu will be up to 90 songs with this album. You'd have less songs than this if you bought every album by, say, B'z or Aikawa Nanase or Every Little Thing, and weren't a crazy single-purchaser, sure to get every c/w song as well. You already have ALOT of songs and alot of remixes to listen to, people. The fact that there are less songs on this album shouldn't be anything you're complaining about. Ayu has been working and working for over 5 years to keep her fans satisfied, and complaining about her releasing like a "normal" artist is how you thank her? Makes no sense to me. Also take into account Avex's status. Because ayu's been so profitable for them up to this point, they've let her get WAY too powerful -- it's become dangerous to the company. At one point, Ayu was responsible for 40% of the company's stock. This means that if she left, the company would be worth about half what it was. Avex are beginning to promote more artists aside from ayu, like Nana Katase, Do As Infinity, Every Little Thing, the Cyber Trance/Cyber X group, day after tomorrow, m-flo, and BoA, among others. They're putting more money into them, and less into ayu. No one ever considered that maybe lower sales for ayu's releases are a GOAL for avex. Given the tension of her career, there IS the threat of her leaving the label and joining another. Avex doesn't want that now, not while she's worth so much to them. They're keeping her happy by not forcing her to work too fast, so that she doesn't suddenly up and leave, and they're letting releases slow down and get less expensive to produce while ayu's sales go down and other artists' sales go up a bit. They don't want their entire company to rest in the hands of one act, it's way too dangerous to the fate of the company. We can expect to see more disappointing releases for awhile, until ayu becomes an artist who (heaven forbid) debuts at number 2 (*GASP SHOCK HORROR!* don't alot of NORMAL artists debut at #2 instead of 1 without us worrying that their careers are totally over?? YES. Jeez. x__x). This is not the end of ayu by any means. They're trying to ease her into normalcy, trying to make her not such a huge phenomenon anymore, but DEFINITELY not trying to kill her career. Once there's equilibrium between ayu and the other artists at avex, the releases will level off and we'll be used to what we now consider disappointing. In the meantime, keep in mind that most artists have never had 10-track singles or remix albums for every original album. This album is disappointing for even "normal" artists, yes, but avex needs something to make ayu's sales go down (which they still might not, since this is a cd/dvd set and the holidays are upon us). |
I would agree with the weakening ayu part but Avex at the moment has no real backup for her. BoA is already losing steam and nothing else from Avex is becoming the next big thing. While Avex realizes Ayu is a blessing and a curse, I doubt that they would risk losing their main profit machine when no replacement is available. Avex has already lost quite a market share, TK is a certified has-been, DAT didn't become the next ELT, DAI is just there, dream wasn't the next momusu, etc. It seems doubtful that Avex is willing to risk so much by weakening Ayu right now instead of a more stable time.
If the c/w's are good there is a chance I'll buy the album. maybe. |
I suppose I don't have much to say to this, as it's a very valid point you brought up. But...
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So once again, some very interesting points you brought up, Deli! Let's all see how true they'll all be in the coming weeks and months... |
The time when ayu was worth 40% of avex's stock was about a year and a half ago, and i'm sorry to say i can't remember my news sources, only the number. I didn't think it would really come up later, so sorry i didn't make note of the source.
And the idea that avex is trying to calm ayu down and get her down to normalcy isn't in any documentation that's been shown outside the company, if any at all. It's actually smart business practice. Even if there isn't one huge good replacement for ayu (which there shouldn't be anyway because they don't want a NEW ayu, they want NO ayu, evened-out sales throughout the label, which is why there are actually alot MORE big artists from avex coming out than there used to be), a gradual decline in overall revenue for avex is better than a sudden drop in the event that ayu left or if there was a backlash against her. And thanks for backing me up, omega. You made some good points yourself; it's true, no big act lasts forever, not even ayu, as much as many of her fans would like to believe she's this superhuman or goddess or something. I doubt it'll get to 2-track singles being the norm, but 4 track will probably be the norm for awhile. And i think it'll be awhile before a top-10 single at all is something we celebrate, but we shouldn't be surprised when it happens. And no baggin' on my avatar ^_^ my friend Becky drew it for me. :) |
..:(..but i love it when she spiols us. :laugh
anyways, i'm not blaming anythign on ayumi. i'm pointing all my fingers on avex. IMO, i think ayu should leave avex, that cursed company. she should join Jerms Records..THEY'LL sure as hell give ya wahtcha want, 10 track isngles with good mixes, perfectionated remxi albums, amazing albums..ah. we need a petitiion eh? :D |
I agree with you but I expect Avex to try to have a steady #1 singer like a B'z, Kinki Kids, or Ayu like person to keep profits going so they don't lose to much share. Also compared to the past, Avex has a lot less "big" singers than they did. Look at what they were like before Ayu - the biggest acts in jpop. Now its just Ayu and some startups that haven't caught on.
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haah foreal. nobody relaly pays attention to those "rising artists" anyways avex, GIVE THE FREAK UP! go back to ayumi, and worry about QUALITY! (its even more important then quantity!)
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I'm pretty sure the 40% of avex that she made up--that number was in the Asia Times magazine article they had on her.
I think she should include "theme of a-nation '03" on the album, since it'll be so short. Or, maybe, if people see it's not & will start selling more copies again. =\ But it'd be nice to see it on the album with a PV on the DVD. I really want to know the name of this album already though...I'm surprised there isn't one. Maybe it's going to be some huge secret. I hope it's not going to be like a good-bye her last album like a lot of people think. But avex did say that Ayu was going to be the number 1 artist this year, so maybe they wanted her to get number 1 before she gave up. But I don't think she'd retire b/c then she wouldn't have so much money. :) Wow...that was long and random. I need sleep. ;__; |
Well i think that no matter wha avex does, many will still support Ayumi. Now i juz cant wait for 17/12/03 to arrive!
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Sales of Ayu CDs and stuff accounted for 40% of Avex's consolidated earnings (not stock ;)) in fiscal 2000, 23% in 2001, and 15% in fiscal 2002. This information was reported in the Japanese press and the American music industry magazine "Billboard".
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I do agree with a lot of things Delirium said. Utada Hikaru releases very short in length singles and no one ever complains about that...but when it comes to Ayu, it seems like she has to put a lot of stuff in order for it to be worth it...sometimes I wonder if people really like the quality of her songs or if they just want quantity of tracks in order to feel satisfied. I do know it was awesome to have all those 10 track singles but it's not as if Ayu is getting bad just because she's been releasing less material...far from that. I didn't like the fact this will be a mini album though......I think they are rushing this album, it hasn't been even one year ever since RAINBOW was released. I think Ayu could spend December on recording new tracks and release this thing on January or something. But they seem to want to rush it in order to release it during xmas...a commercial thing really:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes |
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Is the 6th album have overseas version? me want CD+DVD please say yes.... |
hmmm... MAYBE the album will avalable in Overseas Ver. All Ayu album and single are available in Overseas Ver..
BTW.. Well..i dont know what AVEX is thingking right now, but i'm sure AVEX have 'better' reason and explaination to this. Lets not think negative about this. I'm very sure that AVEX isnt going to let AYU sale down.. BUT im guessing that all of this happening to boost AYU popularity out side Japan. |
It will be available for overseas. Normally, announcements for an Overseas version comes out around the time of the actual release.
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hope so... hope it release also with DVD in overseas...
other.. me so sad.. have to buy from Yesasia... again :( |
I ALWAYS have to order from yesasia. What's so bad about that? :)
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i don't know if in the overseas version it will be have a poster or no i would like to know .anyone know if it will be have or no ? plz
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It probably will. It's always like that, and there's no reason that it'll be different this time.
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Does anyone know what the cover of this album looks like. There's usually an image of the cover about a month or so before an album comes out...sometimes even earlier. I haven't seen anything yet. Please let me know if anyone sees anything. thanks
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There isn't any cover image yet, but as soon as one is found, it'll be posted here.
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if there is an overseas version, its gonna be cheap...i hope
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hmmm...only a few bucks...
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Since I didn't want to order just one cd from Yesasia today, I figured I would look for something else to buy with it
I was going to buy one of the singles, but when I saw this, with the DVD, I thought I MUST have it because I didn't have enough money to buy the singles and the other cd, and it would be money well spent even if the tracklist is small, because I really like most of those songs Anyway, I pre-ordered the cd/dvd pack, and LOVEppears |
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i'd rather not have a DVD and have a full tracklist...
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im with sir T349238423482304833804238523840 a lot. (guess i didnt get your numbers right..=\)
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i hope gohan is rite.. and we get 16songs ^_^ either way ill buy it... cause its ayumi.. ^_^ and anything that comes from her is good
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Gohan, if your album prediction is useless, why did you post it? Really makes one wonder.
By the way, I know that hmv.co.jp lists the album as apparently only having 8 tracks but BELIEVE ME that isn't the first time they've given something like that, they basically just list down everything they KNOW will be on the album, which are basically those that have been already featured, either on singles or in commercials, so you can all relax and expect at least 12 songs on the new album. (the other time Garnet Crow's album was listed to have only the 4 singles they've released on it, so I'm speaking frm experience) |
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actually..i've been thinking the same thing js_surrealism said ever since this news has been out. online shops can be wrong, and if all of them have the same info, maybe they all got the info from eachother. we cant be sure until AVEX releases official information. and the price? on yesasia, teh "regular" version without the dvd is 27.99..isnt that the same price as teh pretty pony~pretty pony~pretty pony~ version or rainbow? (i'm not sure haha just asking). i thought it was.. i am also thinking that it'll have at LEAST 12 tracks (to satisfy my ayumi hunger). and if it IS 8 tracks, i doubt it's really her 6th album, another mistake by online stores. yesasia has a wrong tracklist for NO WAY TO SAY the single, only haveing 6 songs out of order. why cant they do it again? i refuse to believe she's actually doing this and calling it her "6th album". i mean sure, delirium made a lot of sense in that long post, but is it reasonable for ayu to do that? is it raelly logicall to say that "fans buy what i release. i release a load of crap. fans will buy a load of crap." direct reasoning doesnt work that well tehre. as a fan, I WILL NOT SUPPORT AYU BY BUYING THIS. hahaha i might sound like an ass, but about 17.99 for an 8 song cd? thats more then 2 bucks a track! its not like i dont WANT to support her, but i want to show avex that the quality of her releases DOES matter and taht ayu supporters dont just buy every little thing there is of her (even though they do). i figure if the sales are really low, ayu will eihter stop singing and having releases, or will actually have better releases. she might even switch record labels. anyways, i actually am sick of this year. the releases have all been a dissapointment except for maybe &, ayuro3, and ayutrance3. i doubt there will be more of those remix albums though, since AVEX cares only of money, which they wont be getting more of if they release 4 track, crappy remix, crappy song singles! =X ok. i'm ok now. let all my anger out. i dont think its her 6th album. =)
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I understand your point, jerms.. I notice that they often call a minialbum an artist's next album, such as Dir en grey. They call their minialbum of 1998 their first album, whereas it really isn't, their 1999 album "Gauze" is, so in a sense, it can't really be Ayu's 6th album, but her 1st mini album.
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