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In a certain sense I'm happy that everything became clear, I mean.. Now we know what ayu meant in her first message "speechless" thanks to the second one.
But I'm sad.. For the dancers and for her in particular. First Mannie, then part of her staff, which means friends, which means a big family for her.. And all because of that photographer.. :no I feel bad :( |
Now that we have more of an understanding, I get why she was shocked and appalled. That was pretty low, Leslie.
I wonder how this will reflect on her relations with Ryan along with Leslie since they're pretty much attached at the hip imo. |
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Btw after that there's a video of the mixing of the new song (the one we heard the recording of) it sounds WAY better (obviously) I think it's going to be a great track eventually which a lot of people will say "I judged it too soon". It's also not eurobeat (old-fashioned) like it sounded before. It sounds trance-ish. + ayu is so cute in the vid <3 |
I think people also forget that Leslie has...I mean. He's quite the popular photoshoot in the gay community in Japan, correct?
But anyway. That's weird. Weird Leslie. Please discover a new backdrop. |
Did Leslie actually think, this kind of photography would be something innovative to the world? His primitive sense of exposing (gay) nudity has been already considered as mostly outdated two or three decades ago.
As for his photography for Ayu, I always found his output to be very badly edited in terms of retouching. In some of his pictures Ayu looks like a transexual solely due to the insane amount of wrongly adjusted facial features. I do like the picture of Shuya, though. It looks so unflattering and bareback-esque that it's worth the space it takes to save it on a HDD. |
I hope ayu forgets Leslie now, I hope all Japan forgets him now.
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i read from facebook..
"Jean Claude Bordeaux Ayu has ended her friendship with both Leslie and Ryan for this. They have both been removed from her Facebook and I'm sure from her phone by now as well." is that real?? |
I think there's a bit of an overreaction to the photos.
Maybe it's just me, but in this day in age with Facebook and Twitter, I could not guarantee that any picture taken of me would not appear on the Internet somewhere (a friend's Facebook page etc). And I'm not even famous (obviously!) I think nowadays whatever you do or say can become public knowledge through Facebook or Twitter pretty instantly. Looking at those pictures, they look pretty professional. Did Ayumi's dancers seriously not consider them to appear anywhere? Did they really think they were for "private" use only?! If so, I think they were pretty naïve on their part. |
Ayu should have left him to die in prison.
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Seriously, her new man looks like he should be selling dodgy used cars.
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annnddd idk. If my photography friends took pictures of us, and told us they were going to be private for one thing, and then went on to make money off them, or use them for something else, ESPECIALLY without our permission, I'd be like, "wtf is your problem". He needed to ask them at the very least. It IS a big deal. You don't just plaster other people's faces all over somewhere without their permission. Your friends should even be courteous about facebook and twitter and such. Mine are. That's how respectful people who care, act. Maybe next time they'll be sure to sign release forms or something. |
so it's been all clear now. i knew it, leslie was kind of fishy when he did the same thing with mannie before, but i probably forgot, after the thing with mannie, ayu still worked with leslie right?
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Where can we hear the new video on youtube of the mixing?
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And it's not like these were leaked by accident or accidentally uploaded on Facebook or something. They were leaked by the photographer himself - he essentially went back on his word and, yes, betrayed their trust. It might not be a big deal to you, and you might not react the same way if it happened to you, but that doesn't mean Ayu & co. don't have every right to react this way. :shrug |
YAY!! maybe this will mean she will drop his sorry ass.
Loved what he use to do back in the early days of ayumi, but all this new stuff. crap. |
If it means anything, Ayu did really remove them from her Facebook or at the very least blocked them temporarily. She's still got ND though.
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Haha, Leslie totally overestimated how much ayu liked him
Seriously...I wonder if he leaked SUPER MANNIE for his own benefit, or else no one would he shot Ayumi Hamasaki's husband |
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And why should the dancers realize that he was going to do that? Leslie was a close friend to Ayu and has done shoots for her "privately" before. How would they realize that Leslie was actually going to use their pictures to promote a photobook for his own career after he promised them they would be private and a gift to his supposedly very close friend, Ayu. In any case Leslie has betrayed them and Ayu by doing that. You say they should have expected that, but they trusted him as a friend, why should they expect that he would be such a traitor? I don't know about you, but I tend to trust people I consider my friends... |
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Nothing has been reported on ayu paying his bail but his first words after being released was
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oh my God. DRAMMMMMAAAAAAA
Leslie is a low douchebag... a shameless narcissistic wanker!!! God now wonder why Ayu was so pissed off. I don't get how this is being a "friend" at all. Let's all hear the truth: His career has been on a downhill since his photography skills have been stagnant (seriously was he on crack when he shot the RAINBOW cover cos none of his recent photos were that good) and he needs to borrow (WHORE OUT) the "ayumi hamasaki" brand name to bring some recognition to him. Low, low, low. |
I dunno. While I guess it seems like its all Leslie's "fault" I honestly can't feel bad for Ayu. To me, her first post seemed like she was mad at her dancers, and then the second post was after she learned that they were tricked. But, after Super Mannie, how were her dancers fooled? In fact, why wasn't Leslie dropped after that incident? If she was truly the one who bailed him outta jail, then she clearly had no ill feelings after that incident. Mannie got his ass kicked to the curb, Leslie gets a free pass. Mind you, Ayu did give her official reason for divorce as being a hurricane.
I dunno. I think its fishy. Then again, I haven't trusted or felt pity for Ayu in a long time. She's been... "off" to me for a while. Perhaps I have a personal bias. |
The new song sounds much better in the new video!!
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I think she probably gave him the benefit of the doubt at that time with Super Mannie, whereas now, she's pretty much avoiding anything to do with Ryan and Leslie for the time being. |
On the topic of Super Mannie: I don't think, and correct me if I'm wrong, Ayu ever said it was the definitive, unique reason for the divorce. She did say it contributed to it, but I think that was one of many things - and as skeptical as people are about the whole earthquake being a factor in it, I also think that's a factor. My point being that it was one of many, so to compare the situations isn't entirely fair.
Either way, I think the 'gift' was kind of in poor taste, haha. Whether it was Leslie's or her troupe's idea, it just seems like a weird choice when it's public knowledge that Ayu didn't react well the last time she was handed a book of her loved ones in the nude. :P |
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I think the Super Manuel was a different situation. Leslie probably proposed the photobook to him, but Mannie did think it was a great idea. Ayu didn't like it, but Mannie still thought it was nice, so the true problem was that Ayu realized that the two of them were too different mided. She probably didn't blame Leslie then because she knows what kind of photoshoots he does, but for her the problem was Mannie actually wanting to do that as a gift for her and thinking that was a great idea (and I don't think that she now still blames Mannie for that either, I think it just made her realize that they didn't match as a couple because they had really different opinions).
Now, though, the problem was Leslie lying the dancers and putting them in a very bad position. Mannie loved the photobook idea back then, so there was no reason for her to be mad at Leslie because Mannie thought it was great and wanted to do that. The dancers on the other hand got sad and depressed by it because they never agreed to that, which leads to Ayu feeling angry towards Leslie because she cares for her dancers and don't want to see them sad ar betrayed, I think that's the main difference... My thoughts of course, I know nothing about what actually happened. |
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does anyone have the link to the new video containing ayus new song
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hope we do, im very anxious to hear it
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Not feeling bad for Ayu and so on due to the reasons stated, if that wasn't clear.
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Regardless of who thought the Super Mannie book was a good idea or wasn't, you have to wonder if Leslie was lying about that too. I mean, did he tell Mannie it was going to be private, for Ayu's eyes only like he told the dancers and then go back on his word then also? If so, I bet it was pretty easy for Leslie to convince Ayu otherwise and paint Mannie as the douchebag. I mean, that's what most of us thought, right? He didn't tweet the inside of Mannie's book or make a video, but later we did find it being sold. That's a pretty damn big issue, if you ask me. Ayu must be going crazy right now.
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Ah, okay. That's totally fine. I really didn't expect anyone to feel the same, really. |
The photobook's name is "Super Love"... This makes me think all of them are couples, and IMO this adds one more layer of "fucked up":
If the boys posing together are couples, Leslie just outed them without they wanting it. If the boys posing together weren't couples, now people think they are... Either option annoys me. |
^ Oh, I hadn't realized that (I didn't pay attention to the tittle of the photobook)... If that's the case, than it gets even worse :(
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But, oh well, what do I know? You could be totally right, and if that's the case then this whole Leslie issue is even worse then it seems, because he would be deceiving Ayu for much longer. But I still think that Mannie wanted his photobook to be like that though (but of course he also didn't want it to ruin his marriage I believe). I agree with you, though, that Ayu must be going crazy right now about this whole issue. I wonder if she's thinking about the Mannie photobook and associating with this new happenings or not... |
The pictures were bound to leak online sooner or later. It's like people shooting private porn videos, it eventually leaks no matter who they are...
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^interesting tho that some stuff NEVER leaks (aka some weding photos of celebrities) because they were done by friends and for only few pairs of eyes, not the whole nation/world to see.
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I seriously think he overuses the word 'super', it's usually the first english word kids know in my country (side by side with 'ok' and 'headshot') and it's kind of lame to see him adding it everywhere, and with the Super Love he really does suggest too much.
I was surprised about Ayu's shock at first especially since she posed naked with her dancers herself in the AT13 pamphlet. Besides, at first I thought it was Peco who leaked the photos because she was the first one to share the YT making of movie on FB but them I saw it was actually Leslie's YT account, not hers. |
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And this is such a stereotypical American thing to say, but I kind of hope Avex sues his ass. I don't know how the laws are in Japan, but here, Leslie's ass would get handed to him in court. Seriously, what an ass, though. Ass. |
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I also find the photobook thing weird, but Japan also has a weird thing about photobooks. Spammed all over the damn place. Even my favorite model has like one a year. At least. So it might just be something we don't understand the same way. |
Leslie isn't Japanese though.... but I guess he mostly caters to that market?
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Not sure you will get the video this time...
On the last messages (before the Leslie Kee drama), it was clearly written "The pictures are provided only to you all at Team AYU." so I guess it is the same for the video... |
Yeah, things from Team ayu's diary are forbbiden being posted anywhere, unless they get publicated somewhere else by official means and then can be shared.
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Anyone know who the guy in the video is? He's not Japanese, Ayu spoke English with him and explained the meaning of the Japanese word "kakkoii", and he said that he loves it every time he works with her.
The video itself doesn't really have anything new song-wise, it sounds almost identical to the previous one except for the finishing beats maybe, so non-TA people aren't really missing out on much except for Ayu speaking English (and the pong-game that was shown on a screen, perhaps as a screensaver, haha). |
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Same with Facebook if my friends, or say a nightclub I'm in, is taking pictures of me, I'm full expecting them to appear on Facebook the next day. The photos are on their camera after all. (In the nightclub's case they picture will be uploaded in order to promote their club. Not much I can do about it and I'm happy for the photo to appear as I agreed, however drunkenly, to have it taken...does that make sense?) Anyway, will be interesting to see how this whole "drama" progresses. |
putting myself in Ayu's shoes, I'm naturally angry at such a progression regarding the situation.
I don't believe or think she's capable of "fishing" this one out. Leslie is one sick (and bad) photographer. |
Well he did f'd up progress' pv in every way possible. Maybe namie is paying him to ruin ayu's career :P
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Oh my god, this "exclusive super fan clubs" ruin the whole fan experience, which would be seeing the video all together and sharing our thoughts and feelings. Instead, only a bunch of rich (or japanese) fans who can afford it (or can get any benefit from it) can access to the content. I dont know, but I think it establishes differences between fans, which should not happen. And some of you guys will say "you can become a member if you want", but be realistic, there are almost no beneffits for international (not rich) fans.
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Team Ayu exists since the beginning, and paying fans have to have some goodies non-paying fans don't have, or else it doesn't make sense. Years ago, probably people didn't care because nobody knew what they were missing, and to be honest, yes, you don't miss much. It's really not worth getting that worked up about short little clips about Ayu sitting in a studio and listening to her recordings.
I think none of this would've been a "scandal" if fans wouldn't have reacted badly to it and obviously complained to avex about it. It all really seems to be a bit ridiculous if you think about it. It is easy to blame everything on Leslie Kee, but I also think a lot is not being said here - by avex, the dancers and of course, Ayu herself. |
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Come on, "ruining the whole fan experience" is a bit overdramatic. :P |
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^^Yep, I read that entry. I still think this whole affair sounds fishy and as if Ayu herself always writes what was really going on behind the scenes in her diary entries - I doubt it.
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Anyway here it is: http://papa.me/post/c0p8J4x4 |
The song still sounds very eurobeatish and not really like trance...I hope there is more then these few very cheesy and boring English lines.
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But I do think this is just my own approach or feelings towards the situation. Same goes for secrets. Yes, I can ask someone not to say anything, but for me if I am telling anyone something I don't want aired, I'm the one "putting it out" there and so there is always a risk that other folk could know. Maybe not instantly but sooner or later this information is going pass on to someone else I think. But I know I'm just quite a prudent person and the way I would take situations like these is that if I'm putting it out there then, there is potential for quite a few people to see or hear it etc etc. E.g. those schoolgirls who sent topless photos of themselves to boys and then find it circulated around the school. No offense intended, it's just how I see these types of situations. E.g. celebs and sex tapes...they really didn't expect them become public? Just for me, if I don't want folk knowing then I won't mention it or put it on FB etc. (I think what I'm trying to say is that I put the onus on me, or in this case Ayu's dancers, top protect themselves from something like this) It's a shame Ayumi has to be so hurt my this due to the fan reaction (although I'm still nonplussed as to why she would want naked pics of her staff for her own eyes anyway, but hey each to their own!) Anyway seriously no offense intended guys, I just have a particular view on these types of situations and I have always felt this way. I dunno where I get it from, it's just something I happen to view in a certain way (that is a bit different from the majority :) ) Quote:
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I'm just sick of everything being drama with her for the past 2/3 years. At first I felt sorry for her but when things keep happening you'd think she'd realise something is wrong with the company she keeps.
And I refuse to believe she's a doormat who just lets these people walk over her, you don't get where she is like that, so how much responsibility for all these incidents does that place on her? I don't know, I'm just fed up of drama, especially when it's so tied to her music, you can't get away from it. |
She's not the issue here though. The drama is around someone who was her photographer and her team wants to surprise her, which is something that she shouldn't be involved in, thus the drama isn't revolving around her. There was nothing wrong until Leslie did what he did. It could happen to anyone who does anything with Leslie.
I mean, guys, it should have been a private surprise for ayu and Leslie is selling "limited copies" of these photos, 9000 yen per copy and exhibits them while people in his photos didn't know or mean him to do so, because he told everyone something else. If she wrote all the story or not, he still did it, and her team and her are not happy with what HE did. |
Does anyone know what euro beat sounds like? Lol. It has a very distinct sound and this is not it. This is just super upbeat and kinda cheesy pop dance. Euro beat almost has an hyped up 80s thing going on in it.
Anyway, doesn't anyone recall Mannie selling AUTOGRAPHED COPIES of Super Manuel on eBay?? |
lol so much for a present for his wife.
I'll never get some people. It's just annoying (not that she is annoying) and unfortunate that ayu is like a douch magnet. She still wants to keep in touch with Mannie though, but fortunately not with leslie. |
I hear bits that are pretty reminiscent of the You & Me breakdown in the closing parts of the preview, haha~
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Leslie shouldnt have done what he did. They aren't normal photos... it could potentially harm the dancers individually. oh well.. what's done is done. ayu shouldn't dwell too much and move on! :) But really, Leslie is beginning to be a disgrace to Singapore argh.. :(
to the recording, it does sound great!! hopefully we will have a more uplifting album this time round :D:D |
Lol maybe it can be related to You & Me somehow :laugh
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I think she still has him on there, but she's used the block function to avoid him for a while.
I'm also kind of sick of the drama, but this is what happens when you don't keep 'private matters' private. Ayu starting to use Twitter and being more open with us is sort of a double edged sword. I wish the Mannie/Maro situations didn't exist. Now that I think about it, I wonder what kinds of albums we'd have gotten if those relationships never happened. I think it would be a lot easier to handle if it wasn't year after year of drama. |
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Yeah I am trying not to care and it's not totally bothering me, but some things I would prefer not to know...people she dates and all.
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With this new song, does it sound like they're just working on the chorus melody and Ayu hasn't even written the actual lyrics yet? We don't know the order they usually work on these things so who knows how far along they are or if they're even close to done.
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I'm curious, she's showing us so much of this song I wonder if she's planning on releasing it soon (like in the next couple of months or so)... |
Ayu now has a new manager, and she speaks English and is probably the one who is translating the TA entries for her :)
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Can you imagine a new single?
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I am seeing some kind of CD coming out for the end of the year which may tie into the CDL title. Who knows though!
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In a recent magazine interview though, Ayu had mentioned how the moment she steps outside of the recording booth, after the entire string of vocals have been recorded, is when she feels excited inside because that is the moment she feels the song finally is about to be born. So I don't think they work on it in such depth until after she has tackled the vocals.
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Who knows... She might be recording a full english album so she can finally do a World Tour...
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But hey, who knows how many more fans she'd have anyway. It would be nice if she had something, even run by the staff, that was more inclusive. And um. They make plenty of money. Her fan club is most likely not some huge source of income. That'd be weird. Isn't it like $60 a year? And a lot of that cost probably goes into making those physical items and paying salaries. |
I wonder what would happen if Ayu started posting publicly everything that is for TA only... It would probably be yet another drama, people complaining that Ayu doesn't care anymore for the fans that payed all these years for the membership, the sales would probably go even lower because those fans would be pissed of, and so on...
They could open TA registrations for international fans as well, though, it would be so much easier. Tbh, I like being a TA member just for the feeling of being a member of Ayu's official fanclub. Of course I do love the official goods, but the feeling of being a member is the main reason. It might sound like a stupid reason and I don't mind if prople don't understand it, but it makes me happy when I think I'm a member of the fanclub of my absolute favorite artist :heart |
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Yeah, it's $50. It doesn't sound like much, but $50 can really make or break some people, especially when you're living paycheck to paycheck. That's why I get so annoyed with some people on here when they're like, "if you want such and such, buy it." It's not that easy. I've had to wait months to have money to purchase things, and even then I have to get them used. |
^yeah, some people don't understand. You can be on complete welfare in some places and still live extremely comfortably compared to other people. I know what it's like to have tons of money, and also have none, so, I try to never assume.
About the whole internet thing. You know, I'd say the same thing. I think it's ridiculous most times, for people not to expect things to end up on the internet. But Leslie is a FRIEND. He has a team of friends. It's completely NOT the same thing. There is a reason why Ayu is throwing around the word "betrayal" and I don't think it has to do with the idea that in this day and age you can't expect privacy. |
Yeah it'd be one thing if some random person, like a low-level assistant of Leslie & Ryan's or something, dug through computer files & uploaded the photos. But that youtube video is on Ryan's account. That's a betrayal.
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Leslie Kee already has an expo for those SUPER LOVE photos
The Themes of the photos he said: ("parent-child", "brother", "lover" and "best friend") "SUPER LOVE" Dates: 10 / 12-10 / 20 2013 EYE OF GYRE: location Address: Shibuya Jingumae 5-10-1 GYRE 3F Admission: Free http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6007/2ran.png My opinion, brothers and best friends don't pose like this, with their hips interlocked. Leslie didn't waist much time into turning a supposed birthday present into an expo |
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...I think you missed something because I've said a few times already how my friends are respectful about posting things.
I never said that trust or privacy doesn't exist. I think maybe you should go back and read a little more before you reply to me again. My posts were mainly in response to those who made a very good case about how media, especially when it involves celebrities, usually will end up in unwanted places, in this age of twitter, facebook, tabloids, etc. |
^ I do read the posts but I don't see the user name. And my reply was specifically for ur quote. As in ur quote you seem to say that ayu shouldn't be making a big fuss over leslie's action. Which she should as he had lost the trust from her dancer. He isn't just leaking things on the net. He is publishing their photos in his own book...
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