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thinkingoutloud89 15th November 2014 11:23 AM

namie has already two songs for CHECKMATE!! 2 yay
hope Jolin will be invited in return

Heavenly 15th November 2014 11:23 AM

I listened to the whole album last night and I must say that I'm impressed :O
This album is really a success in terms of music. It's the only album by Jolin that I could listen from beginning to the end without skipping a track !
Especially the ballads, and above all I Love, I Embrace, are really good ones.
By the way, I don't like much The Third Person And I for the moment. After a couple of listen maybe...

AyuHamasaki01 15th November 2014 03:17 PM

Is there another download link for the album other than Baidu?

Maemi 15th November 2014 03:39 PM

I want the PV :( or at least a preview...~

Linoa62 15th November 2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AyuHamasaki01 (Post 3104695)
Is there another download link for the album other than Baidu?

I think that if you google it you'll find it anywhere... Last night it was even on tumblr lol

AyuHamasaki01 15th November 2014 07:12 PM

^Thanks but I managed to download it with Baidu :D

koumori 15th November 2014 07:31 PM

Love the new album. :) I really enjoyed all the songs, and Jolin's voice is so strong and clear. 10/10.

pommy48 15th November 2014 07:43 PM

I'm obsessed with Gentlewoman *___*
I love the ambience of the song!

koumori 15th November 2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 3104731)
I'm obsessed with Gentlewoman *___*
I love the ambience of the song!

That beat tho :shimmy

pommy48 15th November 2014 08:00 PM

This album really is perfect! I love how nice her vocals sounds now~!

Will she be shooting a MV for all the songs? *___*

The only song I'm not that fond of is Miss Trouble. I've even grown to like The Third Person and I. The lyrics really speaks out to me and the ending of the MV kinda made me teared up .

Carina said something like "I arrived a bit early. You've done a great job".

Linoa62 15th November 2014 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 3104734)
This album really is perfect! I love how nice her vocals sounds now~!

Will she be shooting a MV for all the songs? *___*

The only song I'm not that fond of is Miss Trouble. I've even grown to like The Third Person and I. The lyrics really speaks out to me and the ending of the MV kinda made me teared up .

Carina said something like "I arrived a bit early. You've done a great job".

Yes *_*
8 MVs have been filmed already (I'm Not Yours is the 8th one), so still two to go!
3 of them have been filmed in the US: Lip Language, Gentlewomen and I Love, I Embrace.

By the way, do you know who Ruby Lin or Kuei Ya-Lei are? They're credited in the "special thanks" part in the booklet, at least one of them should be in one of the MVs...

pommy48 15th November 2014 08:34 PM

Ruby Lin is a Taiwanese actress famous in Mainland China right now.
Kuei Ya-Lei is an older Taiwanese actress.

Surreal17 15th November 2014 08:34 PM

I have a question. Do Jolin has official english translations for her title songs? Because I'm really confused everytime she releases something as the songs have several translations. For example, let's take PLAY : Gentlewoman or The Second Sex? I love, I embrace or Love Yourself, Suffer With Yourself? Lip Language or Lip Reading? etc.
I know the meaning is almost the same but this thing bugs me for a while lol

Linoa62 15th November 2014 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal17 (Post 3104741)
I have a question. Do Jolin has official english translations for her title songs? Because I'm really confused everytime she releases something as the songs have several translations. For example, let's take PLAY : Gentlewoman or The Second Sex? I love, I embrace or Love Yourself, Suffer With Yourself? Lip Language or Lip Reading? etc.
I know the meaning is almost the same but this thing bugs me for a while lol

Yes.
The Second Sex or Lip Language for instance were direct translations of the Chinese titles. Their official English titles are Gentlewomen and Lip Reading.

Official English titles for every song:
1. Gentlewomen 3:39
2. PLAY 3:13
3. Medusa 4:04
4. Lip Reading 3:39
5. I'm Not Yours (feat. Namie Amuro) 3:41
6. I Love, I Embrace 3:55
7. Miss Trouble 3:13
8. Phony Queen 2:58
9. The Third Person And I 4:46
10. We're All Different, Yet The Same 3:18

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Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 3104740)
Ruby Lin is a Taiwanese actress famous in Mainland China right now.
Kuei Ya-Lei is an older Taiwanese actress.

Thanks!!

Surreal17 15th November 2014 08:54 PM

thank you, Linoa :)
The Second Sex sounds better than Gentlewoman though :)))

zellyx 16th November 2014 03:55 AM

YES. Listened to the first previews, and I am so excited to go home and hear it all.
Impressed at the deep beats and ambiance(?, not sure of the right word) in Medusa. wow, a great new sound. Very fresh sound!!!!!!!!!!!

Surreal17 16th November 2014 07:44 PM

Now I have a clearer view of PLAY. It's definitely more experimental than MUSE but songs like Phony Queen kinda ruin the overall mood. We can definitely see that Jolin put more effort into the ballads this time around. My favourite song from the album at the moment is definitely Miss Trouble and my least favourite is Phony Queen.

AyuHamasaki01 16th November 2014 09:38 PM

Strange question maybe but what is the "correct" tagging of Namie Amuro's name in I'm Not Yours?

Did they list her as Namie Amuro, 安室奈美恵 or did they write her name in Chinese?

Linoa62 16th November 2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AyuHamasaki01 (Post 3104872)
Strange question maybe but what is the "correct" tagging of Namie Amuro's name in I'm Not Yours?

Did they list her as Namie Amuro, 安室奈美恵 or did they write her name in Chinese?

It's "I'm Not Yours (feat. Namie Amuro)"!

orbitalaspect 17th November 2014 01:06 AM

I didn't connect with this record very well! Maybe it's just the way the last year has been. I feel that a MEI still takes it for best album of the year. It's kinda sad because I really thought that Elva and Jolin would have really good comebacks, and while both were really strong albums, they just didn't keep me coming back like a MEI's FACES OF PARANOIA.

Does Jolin ever plan on doing darker records like that? The closest I've heard is her usual cornerstone ballad since Myself. But I wonder how Jolin would sound if she did a very dark record... It would be weird. lol

pommy48 17th November 2014 02:26 AM

Amei's album was really just WOW. I feel like she just mixed Amei and Amit in that album, so there's really not that much of a boundary between her personas.

I don't think Jolin is quite there yet with her personal creativity. It's nice to see her experimenting more, but since she's known as more of a mainstream pop artist, it might not be the time yet for her to go that personal with herself.

But this is definitely a good album for her to transition towards being a more serious artist!

Tom Punks 17th November 2014 08:05 AM

^ I felt like this album was a step back in the sophistication/"seriousness" department to be honest... MUSE felt less juvenile and more like a step toward being an in-her-thirties pop star. Especially when you look at the actual visual difference between the eras. MUSE was all about fashion and elegance, and it was so iconic and mature in a way that she's never really been before. PLAY feels more like an effort from Miley Cyrus (SORRY JOLIN ily but I can't think of a better comparison right now). The comedy, the err nightgown and hair curler scenes, the really juvenile teenage-sounding lyrics in I'm Not Yours, how off the wall Miss Trouble is, how loud and a little too in-your-face PLAY is... The ballads are a major step forward, but the album's one hot song (Medusa) isn't anything new for her and the poppy/EDM songs are pretty much some of the most generic pop songs she's had yet and that makes them feel really juvenile for me.

I don't hate the album (although nothing about it grabs me at all), but I really do think it's a huge step back in terms of becoming a more "serious" artist because Myself and MUSE were much, much closer to that imo.

KuuXAyu-fan 17th November 2014 08:45 AM

Linoa when can we expect a performance of Play? :)

Linoa62 17th November 2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 3104917)
Linoa when can we expect a performance of Play? :)

PLAY's first signing session is on November 23rd, so on November 23rd I think ^^

AyuHamasaki01 17th November 2014 08:22 PM

I love the way she sings the 'mirror mirror on the wall' sentence at 1:52 of I'm Not Yours.

Maemi 17th November 2014 08:52 PM

When can we expect the preview of I''m Not Yours PV? :D *impatient*

Linoa62 17th November 2014 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 3104977)
When can we expect the preview of I''m Not Yours PV? :D *impatient*

They never release previews for MVs so you'll have to wait for the end of December/early January for the full thing XD

abestfah 18th November 2014 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AyuHamasaki01 (Post 3104973)
I love the way she sings the 'mirror mirror on the wall' sentence at 1:52 of I'm Not Yours.

I try to copy but I can't 555

Irish_Ayu_Fan 18th November 2014 02:18 PM

I'm so confused that on the Taiwanese iTunes, all the song titles are in English, but on the Irish one, they're in Chinese hahaha!? :)

Maemi 18th November 2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3104983)
They never release previews for MVs so you'll have to wait for the end of December/early January for the full thing XD

What's wrong with them :grumpy:headache

maddy1111 19th November 2014 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 3105056)
What's wrong with them :grumpy:headache

Why do you need short preview? It's so much better if they give us a full thing ;)

inthezone 19th November 2014 04:13 PM

Why do people want her to get experimental and shit god, just enjoy pop music for what it is.

pommy48 19th November 2014 09:46 PM

Cause we appreciate not just listening to a cookie-cutter artist?:shrug

Maemi 19th November 2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by maddy1111 (Post 3105144)
Why do you need short preview? It's so much better if they give us a full thing ;)

Yes but you have to wait for the full thing longer ;) I need sth to satisfy my curiosity after all :D

Linoa62 20th November 2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KLJames (Post 3105281)
http://namieamuro.jp/news/news.php?nID=VFaM2jwl65
Namie web already stated that the MV only will release in LATE December, plus they just shoot it recently, so wait

Jolin's Fans Club and Jolin herself have stated that it would be released in January, that's why I said late December/early January...

Linoa62 20th November 2014 05:02 PM

I got my copies of PLAY today! (I ordered both pre-order versions).
Scans to come soon lol

From the booklet:
MV directors -> Jeff Chang (電話皇后 Phony Queen), Muh Chen (PLAY我呸 PLAY, I'm Not Yours feat. Namie Amuro), Fu Tienyu (The Third Person And I), Jennifer Wu (美杜莎 Medusa), Scott Beardslee & Kitty Lin (第二性 Gentlewomen), Thomas Wyatt & Edwin Eversole (唇語 Lip Reading & 自愛自受 I Love, I Embrace), Hou Chijian (不一樣又怎麼樣 We're All Different, Yet The Same).

Choreographers: Parris Goebel & Kiel Tutin (電話皇后 Phony Queen, PLAY我呸 PLAY, 美杜莎 Medusa), Danielle Polanco (I'm Not Yours feat. Namie Amuro). Sakura Inoue & Rui Akimoto are also credited for 電話皇后 Phony Queen's choreo.

EDIT:
Play With Medusa version scans:
http://www.jolinjenerationgallery.co....php?album=707
http://www.jolinjenerationgallery.co....php?album=708

Maemi 20th November 2014 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLJames (Post 3105281)
http://namieamuro.jp/news/news.php?nID=VFaM2jwl65
Namie web already stated that the MV only will release in LATE December, plus they just shoot it recently, so wait

Of course I'm not going to wait for it for god's sake.... I was just a bit disappointed that I'll have to watch the PV two months after listening to the song....

ayu_ready? 21st November 2014 09:26 AM

I'm happy about this album

AyuHamasaki01 21st November 2014 07:20 PM

Spoiler:
http://i.imgur.com/orEZKxR.jpg
credits; Jolin Jeneration


0_______o wait, what? How?

Linoa62 21st November 2014 07:54 PM

Play With The Blonds pre-order version scans:
http://www.jolinjenerationgallery.co....php?album=712
http://www.jolinjenerationgallery.co....php?album=711

I tried my best for the photobook since it didn't fit in my scanner...

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyuHamasaki01 (Post 3105452)
Spoiler:
http://i.imgur.com/orEZKxR.jpg
credits; Jolin Jeneration


0_______o wait, what? How?

LOL
I read that she had to do one hour of warm-ups for this pose.

AyuHamasaki01 21st November 2014 09:14 PM

^I can imagine that 0______o omg. I knew she was flexible but this is just amazing. It kinda creeps me out as well :laugh

Maemi 21st November 2014 09:17 PM

^hahaha that's not too hard if you practice enough, believe me :laugh

Heavenly 21st November 2014 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3105456)

I really like her dress that "bleeds" in gems.
I find the MEDUSA edition is more artistic, whereas THIS edition is more like a magazine.

ayu_ready? 22nd November 2014 10:54 AM

Linoa62, thank you for the scans :)

Utena 22nd November 2014 05:23 PM

thanks a lot for the scans, loved both photoshoots ♥ esp Medusa, so artistic <3

Linoa62 23rd November 2014 09:43 AM

First live for Medusa!
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=2&theater

AyuHamasaki01 23rd November 2014 11:12 AM

^She looks great. Love her outfit and hair!

Maemi 23rd November 2014 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3105725)

Cool and she looks amazing :)

salina 23rd November 2014 12:46 PM

she is so prettty great live:yes

Linoa62 23rd November 2014 01:36 PM

1st PLAY live today during a signing session in Taipei:

Heavenly 23rd November 2014 01:50 PM

^ The background image which is an alternate version of the PLAY's regular cover is better than the official cover ! *.*

KuuXAyu-fan 23rd November 2014 01:58 PM

T4P Linoa! Was really looking forward to this performance. Loved it! Her voice was really strong! :luv2:luv2

Surreal17 23rd November 2014 05:30 PM

Wow...her voice was great and strong! I wasn't expecting this :0

AyuHamasaki01 23rd November 2014 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3105770)
1st PLAY live today during a signing session in Taipei:

Why are you so awesome Jolin?

Marcelo 23rd November 2014 10:22 PM

Asians and their age racisim: This cute guy I'm talking to asked what I was listening, I said Jolins new album and asked did he knew her, his answer "Yeah, but isn't she really old?" I answered that "She's 34......." him "Yeah, that's old!"............SINCE WHEN IS 34 OLD, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THESE PEOPLE :D

pommy48 23rd November 2014 10:58 PM

She's 34?! I keep thinking she's in her 20s lol

ayu_ready? 24th November 2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 3105835)
She's 34?! I keep thinking she's in her 20s lol

mte :P

Linoa62 24th November 2014 01:35 PM

It's been a while but I finally got a translation for Myself World Tour talks so here's the 1st part of DVD 2!
https://vimeo.com/112309294

AyuHamasaki01 24th November 2014 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 3105835)
She's 34?! I keep thinking she's in her 20s lol

Same :laugh I bet she still looks like 23 when she's 50 :laugh

Irish_Ayu_Fan 24th November 2014 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3105895)
It's been a while but I finally got a translation for Myself World Tour talks so here's the 1st part of DVD 2!
https://vimeo.com/112309294

Thanks a lot! :)

salina 24th November 2014 04:41 PM

awesome play live loved it:luv2

Marcelo 26th November 2014 09:40 AM

Is there some site where I could see PLAY album lyrics translated to English, thank you :)

Linoa62 26th November 2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcelo (Post 3106173)
Is there some site where I could see PLAY album lyrics translated to English, thank you :)

Only translations for PLAY, Phony Queen and The Third Person And I are available at the moment. You can find them on my blog.

EDIT
from a recent interview:
- about the regular version cover: Jolin chose yellow since the color is like the sun, warm and powerful. And basically she chose black because she likes the color.

- about the collaboration with Namie Amuro, Jolin is asked if there is a secret rivalry between the two of them: Jolin says that there is no secret rivalry, on the contrary for a collaboration what she's looking for is a true cooperation, solidarity and strength. Jolin likes Namie and thinks she has an amazing stage presence. Unfortunately they were not able to talk much to each other since they were talking with the help of a translator, but Namie enjoyed the MV shooting and felt welcomed by Jolin's team.

- With PLAY she wanted to create a positive, dynamic and happy album. She feels that her "mission" is to convey positive energy to everyone. Everyone is free to interpret her work and her shows the way they want to though.

- about the fact that this time she has "funny performances" (PLAY & Phony Queen MVs). Jolin says that she's a very private person and that she's not very funny actually IRL. She loves to laugh though lol

Huaka 27th November 2014 07:00 AM

LoL, every time I hear Play I think she's saying in the chorus, "I fart, I fart". Ahahaha.

Linoa62 27th November 2014 04:32 PM

The Third Person And I subbed!
https://vimeo.com/112953703

KuuXAyu-fan 27th November 2014 05:18 PM

Linoa how is the album selling? The percentage on G-Music seems really low....

Linoa62 27th November 2014 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 3106391)
Linoa how is the album selling? The percentage on G-Music seems really low....

G-Music is not really relevant anymore. All their stores are closing down in Taiwan, they're going bankrupt according to what I've read here and there. And the fishy thing is that they put Jolin at 40% in the first place and then a few hours later they changed the ranking at less than 20%...

5music is the most relevant nowadays though and she did better than for MUSE for her first week! She also ranked first on more than 120 Asian charts (most of them being Taiwanese ones) so I wouldn't be too worried about PLAY's sales in Taiwan. We won't know for sure before the end of the year of course.

She also has more promotion than ever for this album, and PLAY (song + album), The Third Person And I and I'm Not Yours are doing well digitally in Taiwan.

Marcelo 27th November 2014 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106383)
The Third Person And I subbed!
https://vimeo.com/112953703

Thank you, if you will have We're All Different, Yet The Same lyrics in English, please post them also here :)

Linoa62 27th November 2014 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcelo (Post 3106397)
Thank you, if you will have We're All Different, Yet The Same lyrics in English, please post them also here :)

I do, I posted them today on my blog actually :yes
http://jolinjeneration.canalblog.com.../30963688.html

Marcelo 27th November 2014 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106400)
I do, I posted them today on my blog actually :yes
http://jolinjeneration.canalblog.com.../30963688.html

Thank you so much, it's a really awesome song :)

Linoa62 30th November 2014 02:03 PM

PLAY signing session today in Taichung!
PLAY

The Third Person And I

salina 30th November 2014 05:39 PM

wow another play live awesome:yes

Linoa62 1st December 2014 09:40 AM

Medusa MV!

abestfah 1st December 2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106752)
Medusa MV!

it is her great MV but cannot make me Wow about it. I admit i expect Medusa more than Play because i prefer this song, finally it is just ok for me. In my opinion, it takes a lot of idea from Beast mv, obviously graphics, also butterflies in my Stomach that make it repeative MV. Moreover, her dancing can't amaze me like while i watched "Dancing Diva", "Honey Trap" and "Butterflies in my stomach". This also happens with "Great Artist" and "Play" that i think she gives standardly dance even if Medusa's chreography is fit its song, maybe her age a reason 555

Linoa62 1st December 2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by abestfah (Post 3106767)
it is her great MV but cannot make me Wow about it. I admit i expect Medusa more than Play because i prefer this song, finally it is just ok for me. In my opinion, it takes a lot of idea from Beast mv, obviously graphics, also butterflies in my Stomach that make it repeative MV. Moreover, her dancing can't amaze me like while i watched "Dancing Diva", "Honey Trap" and "Butterflies in my stomach". This also happens with "Great Artist" and "Play" that i think she gives standardly dance even if Medusa's chreography is fit its song, maybe her age a reason 555

OMG that was you who left the comment on my page! I didn't know you were following :luv2

I'll copy-paste what I answered you there then lol
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I agree about the Beast MV part. Some parts of this MV reminded me of it lol But I don't think it takes ideas from Butterflies in my stomach. Butterflies in my stomach was just a "dance" MV, and this kind of MV is very common.
About the choreo part, I don't think it has anything to do with her age... Jolin stated that this time she wanted to focus more on the vocal performance and less on "stunts". I guess that's why she's providing more "simple" choreos.
By the way, Medusa's choreographer, Parris Goebel, has also created The Great Artist, Phony Queen and PLAY's choreos! It seems that her choreographies are not your thing lol
As for me I actually like PLAY and Medusa choreographies, I think they're fitting the songs very well.

inthezone 1st December 2014 01:51 PM

I admit it could be better but it's still good. The song is epic too

Maemi 1st December 2014 02:16 PM

Who's the male model? :D

Utena 1st December 2014 02:26 PM

Really cool MV, the visuals and outfits for this PV are awesome ♥ fit the song very well :)

Linoa62 1st December 2014 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 3106789)
Who's the male model? :D

I don't know :/ Only the dancers are credited in the booklet lol

abestfah 1st December 2014 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106777)
OMG that was you who left the comment on my page! I didn't know you were following :luv2

I'll copy-paste what I answered you there then lol

I love when fandom discuss about her work, so i attend evey media like facebook or blog555. Nice to know you all:)

Linoa62 1st December 2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by abestfah (Post 3106797)
I love when fandom discuss about her work, so i attend evey media like facebook or blog555. Nice to know you all:)

I love it too to be able to discuss about her work with fans :yes Nice to know you too!

By the way I forgot to add that my only regret is that we didn't get a "real" story. In the end the MV is mostly about dance and visuals (even it's well made).

Tom Punks 1st December 2014 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abestfah (Post 3106767)
it is her great MV but cannot make me Wow about it. I admit i expect Medusa more than Play because i prefer this song, finally it is just ok for me. In my opinion, it takes a lot of idea from Beast mv, obviously graphics

I agree with you. It's a nice MV but there's really no wow factor, and ironically I find it not very visually interesting despite the costumes and makeup and effects - unlike Beast, which I thought was very visually interesting and just overall more intriguing to watch despite the fact that it's just her throwing some glitter around and the whole thing is basically all the same throughout lol. I'm not sure, but it might just be the boring editing that's keeping me from liking this MV much? Because there were so many looks and shots that I liked, but the overall MV fell just dull and flat.

I tried not to be, but I'm just disappointed in this era so far. :weep
Also, since they're releasing the MVs this slowly ANYWAY, I really wish they hadn't made them all at once, so then idk maybe they could've saved up a better budget for the later ones. Because I doubt we'll get anything as magical as Fantasy or epic as The Great Artist now (not that any of the songs from this album really lend to that anyway, lulz). Or maybe I just miss the super ~fashionista~ era that was MUSE. idkidk

Linoa62 1st December 2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3106830)
I agree with you. It's a nice MV but there's really no wow factor, and ironically I find it not very visually interesting despite the costumes and makeup and effects - unlike Beast, which I thought was very visually interesting and just overall more intriguing to watch despite the fact that it's just her throwing some glitter around and the whole thing is basically all the same throughout lol. I'm not sure, but it might just be the boring editing that's keeping me from liking this MV much? Because there were so many looks and shots that I liked, but the overall MV fell just dull and flat.

I tried not to be, but I'm just disappointed in this era so far. :weep
Also, since they're releasing the MVs this slowly ANYWAY, I really wish they hadn't made them all at once, so then idk maybe they could've saved up a better budget for the later ones. Because I doubt we'll get anything as magical as Fantasy or epic as The Great Artist now (not that any of the songs from this album really lend to that anyway, lulz). Or maybe I just miss the super ~fashionista~ era that was MUSE. idkidk

It's actually what I've been thinking lol
According to your previous posts I think you were expecting some kind of MUSE 2.0 visual-wise. I could be mistaken of course, I'm not in your head ;)
MUSE's concept was to mix pop and art and PLAY's concept is totally different. The concept this time doesn't seem to appeal to you at all unfortunately :(

About the MV release, it has always been like this, they release a new MV every 2-3 weeks... I guess the wait has been a bit long for you since you don't like The Third Person And I lol
But we still have 6 MVs to go. Who knows, you might be surprised and like at least one?

I agree that Medusa MV lacks the "wow" factor as well. I watched it for the second time earlier and I felt way less excited than the first time even if it was still enjoyable. The "galaxy" parts are the ones which are the more underwhelming to me. This was Jolin's first collaboration with this director (Jennifer Wu), I hope she won't use her too often XD

Tom Punks 1st December 2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106847)
It's actually what I've been thinking lol
According to your previous posts I think you were expecting some kind of MUSE 2.0 visual-wise. I could be mistaken of course, I'm not in your head ;)
MUSE's concept was to mix pop and art and PLAY's concept is totally different. The concept this time doesn't seem to appeal to you at all unfortunately :(

But see, it's not even the visuals that I have the most problem with! :( I love the PLAY MV, and I think Phony Queen is cool for what it is, and honestly some of the visuals for Medusa (the non-dance scenes) are the only thing that barely saved the MV for me. And I absolutely LOVE the iTunes cover for the album even though I'm not too fond of the other two.

The thing I really have the most problem with is the music itself. >_< I find the pop songs all really generic, I find the album's production really lacking and poor quality, and the only aspect I think she really stepped up her game for are the ballads - but I don't listen to her for ballads anyway so that's just kind of there for me lol. The songs inherently don't lend themselves much to any kind of artistic representation, even though she tried with Medusa so at least there's that. Maybe she REALLY REALLY did have a REALLY hard time finding good songs for the album, because the 2-year wait for the album doesn't feel justified considering it sounds like it was mixed and mastered by Ayu's team and the songs sound like leftovers from 2011 ouch.

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106847)
About the MV release, it has always been like this, they release a new MV every 2-3 weeks... I guess the wait has been a bit long for you since you don't like The Third Person And I lol
But we still have 6 MVs to go. Who knows, you might be surprised and like at least one?

I agree that Medusa MV lacks the "wow" factor. I watched it for the second time earlier and I felt way less excited than the first time even if it was still enjoyable. This was Jolin's first collaboration with this director (Jennifer Wu), I hope she won't use her too often XD

Well, she used to release all her MVs at once on the DVD lol, but since that was years and labels ago that's a moot point.

What I meant by "slow" MV release is that, before the album even dropped, they had already planned an MV for every song and filmed most to all of them(?). But we didn't get the MVs with the album, so producing them all at once... didn't really serve much, since we're getting them all separately months apart in the end anyway. I may be wrong, but I got the impression that with MUSE, they picked new singles and budgeted for new MVs as they went along. And the result was that most of the MVs really LOOKED stellar and super high quality. I just worry that by budgeting all 10 MVs at once, they had to sacrifice quality for some, which they might not have had to do if they'd done them one at a time. Because, imo, producing 10 MVs all at once and then not releasing them all at once defeats the purpose of producing them all at once, if you're just going to release them months apart anyway. Unless she's just planning on going on vacation for the next two years once she finishes basic album promo, but lbr she's probably not lol.

Heavenly 1st December 2014 06:52 PM

The MV is visually interesting, but it's not her best MV.
I'm really expecting I love, I embrace MV, especially because of the directors, since I love their works.

Linoa62 1st December 2014 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3106854)
But see, it's not even the visuals that I have the most problem with! :( I love the PLAY MV, and I think Phony Queen is cool for what it is, and honestly some of the visuals for Medusa (the non-dance scenes) are the only thing that barely saved the MV for me. And I absolutely LOVE the iTunes cover for the album even though I'm not too fond of the other two.

The thing I really have the most problem with is the music itself. >_< I find the pop songs all really generic, I find the album's production really lacking and poor quality, and the only aspect I think she really stepped up her game for are the ballads - but I don't listen to her for ballads anyway so that's just kind of there for me lol. The songs inherently don't lend themselves much to any kind of artistic representation, even though she tried with Medusa so at least there's that. Maybe she REALLY REALLY did have a REALLY hard time finding good songs for the album, because the 2-year wait for the album doesn't feel justified considering it sounds like it was mixed and mastered by Ayu's team and the songs sound like leftovers from 2011 ouch.

Wow that was harsh XDDD
Actually some of the songs have been mastered & mixed by people who collaborated with Ayu such as Jaycen Joshua :P

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3106854)
Well, she used to release all her MVs at once on the DVD lol, but since that was years and labels ago that's a moot point.

It was not right after the album's release though!

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3106854)
What I meant by "slow" MV release is that, before the album even dropped, they had already planned an MV for every song and filmed most to all of them(?). But we didn't get the MVs with the album, so producing them all at once... didn't really serve much, since we're getting them all separately months apart in the end anyway. I may be wrong, but I got the impression that with MUSE, they picked new singles and budgeted for new MVs as they went along. And the result was that most of the MVs really LOOKED stellar and super high quality. I just worry that by budgeting all 10 MVs at once, they had to sacrifice quality for some, which they might not have had to do if they'd done them one at a time. Because, imo, producing 10 MVs all at once and then not releasing them all at once defeats the purpose of producing them all at once, if you're just going to release them months apart anyway. Unless she's just planning on going on vacation for the next two years once she finishes basic album promo, but lbr she's probably not lol.

They only filmed the 10th MV recently actually. I'm Not Yours has been filmed a couple of days before the release and it was the 8th one. They're mostly likely keeping all of them as a marketing tool for an upcoming Celebration version.

PLAY's filming plan is way different than what they used to do, you're totally right. Usually they used to film 5 MVs or so and they planned for more if the album was selling well.
Concerning MUSE we kinda got additional MVs by accident though. We were supposed to get MVs for Color Photos and Friday the 13th, but Warner refused to pay after the director said that they would cost more than expected. So Warner decided to shoot MVs for Beast and I instead. We got an MV for Color Photos but it has only been released on KTV, and they did a live MV for Friday the 13th in the end.
Jolin has been asked about the budget thing actually and just said that we should not worry and that every dollar spent was worth it... Medusa was the 7th MV to be filmed by the way.

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3106854)
Unless she's just planning on going on vacation for the next two years once she finishes basic album promo, but lbr she's probably not lol.

She has lots of promotion this time. She's really fighting to stay relevant... She had a live on Chinese TV recently to promote the album, the last time she did it was for Myself. PLAY has more signings than MUSE in Taiwan as well, Jolin has a lot of radio appearances... And I just read that she might have a signing session in HK in 2 weeks.
Right now they're releasing a new MV every 2 weeks, but near the end of album promotion they will release them faster I think.
Well, PLAY World Tour will most likely start after the end of promotional activities for the album so I doubt she'll go on vacation indeed XDD

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Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 3106858)
The MV is visually interesting, but it's not her best MV.
I'm really expecting I love, I embrace MV, especially because of the directors, since I love their works.

Which MVs did they film? I think I read they did one for Beyoncé or something?

Tom Punks 1st December 2014 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106861)
It was not right after the album's release though!

They only filmed the 10th MV recently actually. I'm Not Yours has been filmed a couple of days before the release and it was the 8th one. They're mostly likely keeping all of them as a marketing tool for an upcoming Celebration version.

PLAY's filming plan is way different than what they used to do, you're totally right. Usually they used to film 5 MVs or so and they planned for more if the album was selling well.
Jolin has been asked about the budget thing actually and just said that we should not worry and that every dollar spent was worth it... Medusa was the 7th MV to be filmed by the way.

...YOU'RE RIGHT LOOOL. They are releasing them every few weeks. I don't know why I thought they were months apart????? My memory is slipping lol.

And... you're right about the DVDs. idk why I have everything misremembered today! Probably because I never paid much attention to her actual release schedule back in the mid-2000s.

So I guess my complaints about the MV release schedule and budget were not justified. :)

AyuHamasaki01 1st December 2014 07:26 PM

The MV is nice. Nothing too special as some of you already pointed out. The outfits and choreography were cool though.

And of course the Pepsi product placement xD

Linoa62 1st December 2014 09:38 PM

A video I just saw on YouTube: Jolin "Just Dance", 15 years of evolution.

pommy48 1st December 2014 09:45 PM

Medusa's MV was really lacking in the editing. It made everything feel so dragged out.

Kinda sad cause this song could have had a cool MV~
And that Medusa hair doesn't really work in motion. It looked like she was just moving around with a beehive :laugh

Tom Punks 1st December 2014 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106875)
A video I just saw on YouTube: Jolin "Just Dance", 15 years of evolution.

This makes me want to dig out the Born To Be A Star DVD lol. You Gotta Know is my favorite pre-Magic song. :heart

...and one of only like 5 I actually like lol

Heavenly 2nd December 2014 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106861)
Which MVs did they film? I think I read they did one for Beyoncé or something?

I don't know if Thomas Wyatt and Edwin Eversole made an MV for Beyoncé, but I watched some videos from them :

A trailer for THE COLONY, a movie they made (or plan to make, I don't know) :
http://vimeo.com/44486673

And TWENTYTWENTY, a short film :
http://vimeo.com/102983342

The vimeo channel of Edwin Eversole :
http://vimeo.com/user3951229/videos

I really like the atmosphere, and if the Jolin's MV could visually resemble that, I would be happy.

Linoa62 2nd December 2014 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 3106888)
I don't know if Thomas Wyatt and Edwin Eversole made an MV for Beyoncé, but I watched some videos from them :

A trailer for THE COLONY, a movie they made (or plan to make, I don't know) :
http://vimeo.com/44486673

And TWENTYTWENTY, a short film :
http://vimeo.com/102983342

The vimeo channel of Edwin Eversole :
http://vimeo.com/user3951229/videos

I really like the atmosphere, and if the Jolin's MV could visually resemble that, I would be happy.

Oops my bad it's Scott Beardslee who directed Beyoncé's 1+1 not these two lol

Thank you for the links I'll check them out!

Kouyou 2nd December 2014 01:49 AM

I'm surprised by the mixed reactions towards Medusa. I loved it. I prefer campy Jolin a la Phony Queen, PLAY, or Dr. Jolin, but I love this Jolin, too. She's flawless.

Linoa62 2nd December 2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 3106892)
I'm surprised by the mixed reactions towards Medusa. I loved it. I prefer campy Jolin a la Phony Queen, PLAY, or Dr. Jolin, but I love this Jolin, too. She's flawless.

The mixed reactions here are mostly about the director (or the choreographer), not about Jolin herself :yes

For those waiting for I'm Not Yours MV, they will most likely release an MV for a slow song in two weeks or so (Lip Reading, I Love, I Embrace or even We're All Different, Yet The Same), and two weeks after that we'll most likely get I'm Not Yours. It fits the fact that Jolin announced the MV for January.

On another note, on almost every survey, Asian fans choose Medusa, The Third Person And I, PLAY and I'm Not Yours as their favorite songs from the album. Gentlewomen and Phony Queen are most of the time at the bottom.

abestfah 2nd December 2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Linoa62 (Post 3106928)
The mixed reactions here are mostly about the director (or the choreographer), not about Jolin herself :yes

For those waiting for I'm Not Yours MV, they will most likely release an MV for a slow song in two weeks or so (Lip Reading, I Love, I Embrace or even We're All Different, Yet The Same), and two weeks after that we'll most likely get I'm Not Yours. It fits the fact that Jolin announced the MV for January.

On another note, on almost every survey, Asian fans choose Medusa, The Third Person And I, PLAY and I'm Not Yours as their favorite songs from the album. Gentlewomen and Phony Queen are most of the time at the bottom.

oppositely, Gentlewomen is my favorite oneถถถ

Maemi 2nd December 2014 04:26 PM

Phony Queen is my least fav...

JackieRos 2nd December 2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 3106892)
I'm surprised by the mixed reactions towards Medusa. I loved it.

:yes me too, I think the one that lacks alot is phony queen, I don't like the mv or the song at all.

Medusa was perfect aside from play, they both are on my top list.

Corvina 4th December 2014 06:05 PM

Medusa is probably my favourite song from the album.
But surprisingly, I really, really like Phony Queen!
I normally don't like those kind of songs that much, but this one is an exception.

JackieRos 5th December 2014 01:34 AM

I'm dying for a Medusa translation!


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