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Bigtop 11th November 2014 07:06 AM

Whoa...I'm surprised, I didn't expect this to happen. Ayu part of an Utada cover... Although it would've been better had Ayaka take part of this as well...

roanmy 11th November 2014 07:07 AM

I think it'll be "Prisoner of Love" as well, and it's a song I can imagine Ayu singing quite well. ^^

freedreamer 11th November 2014 11:02 AM

Easy Breezy doesnt...sound right for Ayu hahah

ayumisrael 11th November 2014 11:04 AM

If ayu does boku wa kuma I will kill lol. But hikki has bigger hits than that thankfully.

YuraiNamida 11th November 2014 11:31 AM

It would be fun if she sings Colors. lol

Anyway, I'm hoping for Final Distance or one of KH's openings. :luv2

ayu_ready? 11th November 2014 11:48 AM

this is interesting :)

relmy 11th November 2014 11:50 AM

This is amazing!! I love them both and if it wasn't for Hikki I wouldn't have even got into Jpop.

So it'll be First Love or Prisoner of Love... I think it'll probably be Prisoner of Love, but it would be great to find out Ayu demanded First Love haha

I'm more excited for this than the new single now. <3

SummonerXI 11th November 2014 01:10 PM

I'm really excited about this. I've been a big fan of both Ayu and Hikki since around 2002, and this is like, my dream come true. I hope Hikki does a cover of one of Ayu's songs eventually.

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Originally Posted by mizuki-7 (Post 3103711)
If someone can translate ? It seems that Ayu already recorded the song ^^
They talk about how this new is a big surprise considering how Utada and Ayu have been seen like big rival since the fight DISTANCE VS A BEST in 2001

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainm...009264840.html

They both said that the "rivalry" never existed, and it was something that was hyped up by their labels and the media.

Deep snow 11th November 2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 3103674)
I'm excited to see which song she will sing... Passion/hikari please lol.

Passion is my favorite hikki song and I can totally see ayu doing it but it's not one of her greatest hits unfortunately (she has bigger hits).

OH MY GOODNESS PLEASE DO PASSION. Its ethereal absurdity suits ayu very well.

Edit:
Is it confirmed that it's Easy Breezy? That's a weird choice :s

Kazeyomi 11th November 2014 01:59 PM

The day has finally come.
I KNEW IT.

Omg I can't wait. The cover is stunning :heart

Btw I didn't see anything about Easy Breezy on Facebook, neither on the official page :shrug

CatGirl 11th November 2014 02:09 PM

My body is ready. Also the Easy Breezy thing better be a joke/rumor. Even Boku wa Kuma is a better song lol

LONJJONG 11th November 2014 02:22 PM

Ayu and Hikki's timbre are very different, I wonder how will it turn out! :)
Anyway in an episode of Music Station when Ayu and Hikki were the performers, Hikki said that she likes to sing Ayu's song at karaoke xD And when Ayu was asked if she'd sing Hikki's song at karaoke, she answered that Hikki's songs were difficult to sing

pepper 11th November 2014 02:47 PM

she will end up with Boku wa Kuma probably XD (but well, her voice fits that song lol)

I would love something diffrent from a ballad.
[edit] oh, it's easy brezzy then.
alrighty then.

ExodusUK 11th November 2014 03:01 PM

STOP THE EASY BREEZY NONSENSE.

Tom Punks 11th November 2014 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3103942)
STOP THE EASY BREEZY NONSENSE.

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Uknow! 11th November 2014 03:37 PM

Prisoner of Love is my favourite song of Utada <3 so I hope Ayu sings it! I think Prisoner of Love is her style and she likes the lyrics.

Zeke. 11th November 2014 03:43 PM

I hope ayu has a song with very little English in it. Her voice is VERY unpleasant when singing in English. Hikki makes it sound cohesive but ayu doesn't switch from japanese to english so seamlessly.

TeamAyu2004 11th November 2014 03:49 PM

I wonder though now that she is better with the english maybe this wont be a problem?

revolution9292 11th November 2014 04:09 PM

final distance please!

Zacek 11th November 2014 04:13 PM

I'm really excited about this, I mean, Ringo and Ayu covering Utada's songs!! Could it be better?

visionfactory 11th November 2014 04:14 PM

I was just joking it's not Easy Breezy!! XD

Zeke. 11th November 2014 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 3103957)
I wonder though now that she is better with the english maybe this wont be a problem?

Lol she couldn't have improved so drastically since the recording of songs like XOXO and especially Angel.

love in music 11th November 2014 04:32 PM

Hmm. I don't really think anyone should cover Hikki's songs. Her voice is the only one that really works for them imo. But I'm interested to hear how it sounds anyway.

TeamAyu2004 11th November 2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3103967)
Lol she couldn't have improved so drastically since the recording of songs like XOXO and especially Angel.

you think she has problems in those songs? Hm, Ill have to go back and listen, but I never noticed anything before.

Coelacanth 11th November 2014 04:52 PM

I'm probably the only one who couldn't care less about this. Never got the Utada hype. Just listened to "Prisoner of Love" and "FINAL DISTANCE" and I'm instantly reminded of why I like Ayu, truly some of the most boring melodies I've ever heard in pop music.

Zeke. 11th November 2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 3103972)
you think she has problems in those songs? Hm, Ill have to go back and listen, but I never noticed anything before.

Angel for sure. It's not the fact that you can't UNDERSTAND her English (although angel is a little bit difficult) it's the fact that her voice is UNPLEASANT to listen to when she sings in English.

Surreal17 11th November 2014 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 3103974)
I'm probably the only one who couldn't care less about this. Never got the Utada hype. Just listened to "Prisoner of Love" and "FINAL DISTANCE" and I'm instantly reminded of why I like Ayu, truly some of the most boring melodies I've ever heard in pop music.

I agree with the fact that Prisonier of Love is extremely boring and generic. I like Utada but man, she is overlyvaluated most of times. I love her Deep River/Exodus/Ultra Blue/Singles Collection Vol. 2 but half of Heart Station is so lazy and First Love/Distance eras are nothing spectacular.

I really hope that Ayu won't do Prisonier Of Love.

Zeke. 11th November 2014 05:11 PM

I'm not too keen on prisoner of love but I LOOOVE DJ Amaya's remix of it. I think ayu could put her own spin on it and make it very enjoyable.

Delicious n Bold 11th November 2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by visionfactory (Post 3103966)
I was just joking it's not Easy Breezy!! XD

Uh oh
I told everyone under the sun when the forum told me this.
I kinda wish she did sing it though

DonkeyKongRemix 11th November 2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by YuraiNamida (Post 3103888)
It would be fun if she sings Colors. lol

Anyway, I'm hoping for Final Distance or one of KH's openings. :luv2

I thought about Colors, too! That would awesome!!!!

Deep River would also be pretty! Or Letters...Now I'm gonna write a list of all the songs I could imagine! WEEEEEEEEE!!

Tom Punks 11th November 2014 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Surreal17 (Post 3103979)
I agree with the fact that Prisonier of Love is extremely boring and generic. I like Utada but man, she is overlyvaluated most of times. I love her Deep River/Exodus/Ultra Blue/Singles Collection Vol. 2 but half of Heart Station is so lazy and First Love/Distance eras are nothing spectacular.

I really hope that Ayu won't do Prisonier Of Love.

I like a lot of her music too but agree she seems really overrated. idk, I've always felt like people wouldn't think she was SUCH a godly composer if she just composed for other people and wasn't the actual artist in the forefront. Because her songs are nice but they're really nothing super special?

And that's why I'm not excited about this at all lol. The only Utada song that I could see suiting Ayu is FINAL DISTANCE and I hate that song very very very very very much.

DonkeyKongRemix 11th November 2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3104002)
I like a lot of her music too but agree she seems really overrated. idk, I've always felt like people wouldn't think she was SUCH a godly composer if she just composed for other people and wasn't the actual artist in the forefront. Because her songs are nice but they're really nothing super special?

And that's why I'm not excited about this at all lol. The only Utada song that I could see suiting Ayu is FINAL DISTANCE and I hate that song very very very very very much.

I've been a fan of hers for close to ten years and her album Heart Station is my favorite of hers! It's not lazy, it's just taking the style she had in Ultra Blue and perfecting it.

Everyone has different tastes, though. It's definitely my favorite album, though, and for me, that's saying a lot because I love every album of hers.

Her music is very special and intricately made. I will always love Ayu's music the most, but Utada has a skill level that far surpasses many modern musicians!

orangeakira 11th November 2014 06:08 PM

It's not popular, obviously, but I could picture ayu singing kairo.

Surreal17 11th November 2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeakira (Post 3104006)
It's not popular, obviously, but I could picture ayu singing kairo.

omg, Kairo is gold

Corvina 11th November 2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 3103974)
I'm probably the only one who couldn't care less about this. Never got the Utada hype. Just listened to "Prisoner of Love" and "FINAL DISTANCE" and I'm instantly reminded of why I like Ayu, truly some of the most boring melodies I've ever heard in pop music.


Count me in.
I don't care for Hikki, for me she's totally overrated as well.
I like her KH songs, but that's probably about it. Never got into the albums I listened to.
So this release is doing nothing for me, too.

Tom Punks 11th November 2014 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nalini-dahlia (Post 3104005)
I've been a fan of hers for close to ten years and her album Heart Station is my favorite of hers! It's not lazy, it's just taking the style she had in Ultra Blue and perfecting it.

Everyone has different tastes, though. It's definitely my favorite album, though, and for me, that's saying a lot because I love every album of hers.

Her music is very special and intricately made. I will always love Ayu's music the most, but Utada has a skill level that far surpasses many modern musicians!

I think you quoted the wrong person? I didn't mention anything being lazy. :P

But since you quoted me anyway... I don't think her music is special or intricate. I could get behind calling it "good" but it's not really special or intricate or unique in any way. With Utada, you know you're getting either a basic R&B pop song or a basic ethereal pop song. The only time she really experimented and did something out of the box was DEEP RIVER and EXODUS, and even then DEEP RIVER was really mainstream for jpop, just not totally in her safe R&B comfort zone. And I feel like if you took her as the artist performing it out of the equation, nothing would really change for the songs; she doesn't add much to them aside from the melody, lyrics, and a basic R&B/ethereal pop arrangement. Anyone could do what she does and make the music she does. That's why I don't get the (in my own opinion) mass overhype for Utada as a composer/artist. Because she's good at composing really consumable music, but I don't think it's very interesting or special as far as music and songwriting goes. idk I just don't get it personally.

Zeke. 11th November 2014 07:11 PM

Hikki has this supernatural ability to cultivate amazing and unique environments for her music. I'm speaking more-so about her work after and including ULTRA BLUE. She has this certain style that you just simply CANNOT get from anyone else. Her best songs are Keep Tryin', Take 5, BLUE, This Is Love. I'd say try those songs out if you haven't. Id even include Sakura Nagashi in there. For me, everything pre-ultra blue is severely overrated. If you haven't given the latter stuff a chance, you really should. It's vastly different.

I could see ayu doing BE MY LAST, simply because the environment of that song always seemed reminiscent of the environment that ayus song RAINBOW evokes. They are similar in that regard.

macmaayu 11th November 2014 07:15 PM

I hope she sing the remix of Boku wa Kuma
And change it to [Boku Wa Teddy Bear~ Real Queen Ver.~]
⊂((・x・))⊃

HangPHAMee 11th November 2014 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chocopockymaster (Post 3103676)
...yikes.

I wonder if Shiina Ringo's song will be traveling? I would *kill* for a studio version from her. I wish there was an embed code for tumblr, but y'all will just have to follow the link: http://sayonarababy.tumblr.com/post/...a-hikaru-cover

That Jolin Tsai performance was....yikes...:puke

clover_bali 11th November 2014 07:24 PM

maybe 'COLORS' because 'same name' with ayu's album 'COLOURS' :D

Tom Punks 11th November 2014 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3104022)
Hikki has this supernatural ability to cultivate amazing and unique environments for her music. I'm speaking more-so about her work after and including ULTRA BLUE. She has this certain style that you just simply CANNOT get from anyone else. Her best songs are Keep Tryin', Take 5, BLUE, This Is Love. I'd say try those songs out if you haven't. Id even include Sakura Nagashi in there. For me, everything pre-ultra blue is severely overrated. If you haven't given the latter stuff a chance, you really should. It's vastly different,

See, I don't agree with this AT ALL lol. I listen to ULTRA BLUE and all I hear is synths and generic ethereal-ness and someone singing. And HEART STATION just sounds like it was made in FL Studios and melodically mundane to boot. But most of all I think these albums would be REALLY easy to replicate if someone wanted to. They're just... a lot of synths lol.

Mind you, I LIKE both those albums. But I don't think they're anything special or more than really listenable synth-heavy albums.

clover_bali 11th November 2014 07:28 PM

or maybe... 'beautiful world' ?!!

aarghhh... can't wait this 'fantastic' album !!! very excited !!!

Zeke. 11th November 2014 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3104031)
See, I don't agree with this AT ALL lol. I listen to ULTRA BLUE and all I hear is synths and generic ethereal-ness and someone singing. And HEART STATION just sounds like it was made in FL Studios and melodically mundane to boot. But most of all I think these albums would be REALLY easy to replicate if someone wanted to. They're just... a lot of synths lol.

Mind you, I LIKE both those albums. But I don't think they're anything special or more than really listenable synth-heavy albums.

This argument is made a lot in art. "Is it art - I mean, anyone could do it?" but the defining factor is often, "yeah, but it's the fact that this person chose to do it."

I mean, synths have been around forever. Hikki didn't invent that. But, I have always had a huge love for synthesizers and the fact that Hikki was able to put it all together and produce something so different than anything that was being presented at the time (or rather, being presented in her element of Japanese pop music) really caught my attention.

Chibi-Chan 11th November 2014 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3104031)
See, I don't agree with this AT ALL lol. I listen to ULTRA BLUE and all I hear is synths and generic ethereal-ness and someone singing. And HEART STATION just sounds like it was made in FL Studios and melodically mundane to boot. But most of all I think these albums would be REALLY easy to replicate if someone wanted to. They're just... a lot of synths lol.

Mind you, I LIKE both those albums. But I don't think they're anything special or more than really listenable synth-heavy albums.

Same here. Hikki has about 10 songs I really love. There are a lot I like. But I don't get the hype as well. I don't have a problem with her and she has talent for sure. Besides she seems to be a nice person. I guess I just can't stand the attitude of her fans... a lot of them are acting as if she is the only artist with talent out there.
And one thing she isn't good at at all: singing. She has a beautiful voice, but her vocals... When I think about it, that's what really bothers me: her fans always claim that she has the best vocals out there, when it's simply not true. Especially live her vocals are sometimes really bad.

That said, I like her and I think it's nice that Ayu will contribute to a cover album! Hikki achieved a lot and even if I find her overrated as hell I don't see a reason why I should begrudge Hikki her success. It's not like her music is bad in any way.

BlackSilence 11th November 2014 08:12 PM

^my thought's exactly, there's artists way better in vocals and composing/arranging. She's not bad but.... i could never get into her music. I only have 5 songs from her that i enjoy the rest bores me to sleep lol i always thought she was a bit overrated in the pop scene, so i am really not hyped on this.

douggn 11th November 2014 08:54 PM

more auto sync blah :P, though Hikaru can sign amazingly good live. Here's a hit to anyone who's like 'its auto synced', ALL songs and albums gets this treatment. Its a standard procedure with the music industry to fine polish there music before release. Just enjoy the music.

orangeakira 11th November 2014 08:59 PM

I want to jump on the arguing bandwagon of ayu vs. hikki but I'll hold my peace. I'm not sure I can say what I want to say gently :laugh

visionfactory 11th November 2014 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clover_bali (Post 3104032)
or maybe... 'beautiful world' ?!!

aarghhh... can't wait this 'fantastic' album !!! very excited !!!

OMG that would be lovely :luv2 I can figure ayu singing "it's only love-a-a-a-a-a *insert mega vibrato here*"

Coelacanth 11th November 2014 09:12 PM

The entire thing reeks of a PR gimmick. They were considered "rivals" at one point and this is the one thing that would build hype for a tribute album that would have otherwise had a boring lineup of performers.

I hope Ayu knows what she's doing and doesn't make a fool out of herself. The part in the Sanspo article about her changing her vocal style concerns me. Part of Ayu's appeal is that she DOESN'T follow Western conventions of vocal stylings/technique.

mizuki-7 11th November 2014 09:16 PM

This is not an Ayu VS Hikki ! This is just people who express what they think about Utada no one is speaking about Ayu so please don't make this thread another war XD ;)

Tom Punks 11th November 2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeakira (Post 3104051)
I want to jump on the arguing bandwagon of ayu vs. hikki but I'll hold my peace. I'm not sure I can say what I want to say gently :laugh

It's not even an Ayu vs. Hikki debate! :weep

mizuki-7 11th November 2014 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 3104056)
The entire thing reeks of a PR gimmick. They were considered "rivals" at one point and this is the one thing that would build hype for a tribute album that would have otherwise had a boring lineup of performers.

I hope Ayu knows what she's doing and doesn't make a fool out of herself. The part in the Sanspo article about her changing her vocal style concerns me. Part of Ayu's appeal is that she DOESN'T follow Western conventions of vocal stylings/technique.

Oh yes I thought about it too ...

douggn 11th November 2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 3104056)
The entire thing reeks of a PR gimmick. They were considered "rivals" at one point and this is the one thing that would build hype for a tribute album that would have otherwise had a boring lineup of performers.

I hope Ayu knows what she's doing and doesn't make a fool out of herself. The part in the Sanspo article about her changing her vocal style concerns me. Part of Ayu's appeal is that she DOESN'T follow Western conventions of vocal stylings/technique.

I guess her time in the US is changing her, she may try to release something in the west eventually, but she doesn't say with one style for long. We may get an album which sound more western but that will probably change with the one after that, like her other album. Like she said, she's always changing and evolving her music. The rivalry with ayu and hikaru was more for publicity by avex, and who knows, maybe hikaru asked ayu to do a cover

Zeke. 11th November 2014 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3104039)
Same here. Hikki has about 10 songs I really love. There are a lot I like. But I don't get the hype as well. I don't have a problem with her and she has talent for sure. Besides she seems to be a nice person. I guess I just can't stand the attitude of her fans... a lot of them are acting as if she is the only artist with talent out there.
And one thing she isn't good at at all: singing. She has a beautiful voice, but her vocals... When I think about it, that's what really bothers me: her fans always claim that she has the best vocals out there, when it's simply not true. Especially live her vocals are sometimes really bad.

That said, I like her and I think it's nice that Ayu will contribute to a cover album! Hikki achieved a lot and even if I find her overrated as hell I don't see a reason why I should begrudge Hikki her success. It's not like her music is bad in any way.

I wouldn't say Hikki "isn't good at all" ; it's called a "technique." Ayu has a technique as well, and has always been said as to 'not have the best vocals' but her style is distinct. That's what makes a good musician - you don't have to be a powerhouse belter, you just need to have something distinct about you - something that sets you apart and makes you recognizable. Hikki has that airy, soft, and breathiness about her which can lend itself really well toward the music she releases. I enjoy her technique (not so much in English, that stuff can get rather horrid) for the most part. In Sakura Nagashi, she does this faint and suttle "stuttering vibrato" when she holds the notes that just makes me melt.

Regarding the PR move, I don't necessarily view that as bad. They saw an opportunity and went for it.

DonkeyKongRemix 11th November 2014 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3104022)
Hikki has this supernatural ability to cultivate amazing and unique environments for her music. I'm speaking more-so about her work after and including ULTRA BLUE. She has this certain style that you just simply CANNOT get from anyone else. Her best songs are Keep Tryin', Take 5, BLUE, This Is Love. I'd say try those songs out if you haven't. Id even include Sakura Nagashi in there. For me, everything pre-ultra blue is severely overrated. If you haven't given the latter stuff a chance, you really should. It's vastly different.

I could see ayu doing BE MY LAST, simply because the environment of that song always seemed reminiscent of the environment that ayus song RAINBOW evokes. They are similar in that regard.

AMEN! I agree with all of this 100%

Sorry, Tom Punks, if you felt like I called you out for the wrong thing, I only quoted you because you quoted another person...Which may seem like illogical reasoning... XD

Everyone's going to have different opinions and there's a lot of people who would never budge on theirs. I think Utada is magnificent in her ability to create music. Will everyone think that way? No, but whatever.

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/6403/0EKlFM.gif

JackieRos 11th November 2014 10:53 PM

The only "rivalry" I saw from hikki and ayu was when they released an album on the same
day but even so that wasn't even ayu's choice. Other than that I never hear anything that
they were rivals and how can they be? ayu does pop and ayu does more R&B.

I love both of them sometimes one more than the other when they release bad music.

visionfactory 11th November 2014 11:00 PM

Yeah they even had a conversation in MS back in 2004-2005, the rival thing was just made up from their labels

Chibi-Chan 11th November 2014 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3104066)
I wouldn't say Hikki "isn't good at all" ; it's called a "technique." Ayu has a technique as well, and has always been said as to 'not have the best vocals' but her style is distinct. That's what makes a good musician - you don't have to be a powerhouse belter, you just need to have something distinct about you - something that sets you apart and makes you recognizable. Hikki has that airy, soft, and breathiness about her which can lend itself really well toward the music she releases. I enjoy her technique (not so much in English, that stuff can get rather horrid) for the most part. In Sakura Nagashi, she does this faint and suttle "stuttering vibrato" when she holds the notes that just makes me melt.

Regarding the PR move, I don't necessarily view that as bad. They saw an opportunity and went for it.

I wasn't talking about Hikki's style of singing. I never thought there is something wrong with that. But when singing live most of the time Hikki even isn't able to hit the right notes. She just isn't a good vocalist. It's not that I'm bothered by it that much. I just can't stand her fans claiming she has the best vocals ever, that's not true at all. She not even comes close to being a good vocalist. I have nothing against Hikki, but I truly hate most of her fans... xD

jbrat2219 12th November 2014 12:12 AM

I don't keep up with Utada, did she retire or something? I'm wondering what warranted this release in the first place...

Zeke. 12th November 2014 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3104082)
I wasn't talking about Hikki's style of singing. I never thought there is something wrong with that. But when singing live most of the time Hikki even isn't able to hit the right notes. She just isn't a good vocalist. It's not that I'm bothered by it that much. I just can't stand her fans claiming she has the best vocals ever, that's not true at all. She not even comes close to being a good vocalist. I have nothing against Hikki, but I truly hate most of her fans... xD

Well I won't deny that. I was never a fan of her lives. I downloaded utada United once and got bored even before I was halfway through.

Andrenekoi 12th November 2014 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 3104056)
The entire thing reeks of a PR gimmick. They were considered "rivals" at one point and this is the one thing that would build hype for a tribute album that would have otherwise had a boring lineup of performers.

I hope Ayu knows what she's doing and doesn't make a fool out of herself. The part in the Sanspo article about her changing her vocal style concerns me. Part of Ayu's appeal is that she DOESN'T follow Western conventions of vocal stylings/technique.

Of course this is a PR gimmick, for both of them, or do you really think Ayu is taking part on it and being the focal promotional tool for it just because she was bored at home? :P Hikki is probably coming back and need some hype before the new material, and Ayu needs musical relevant buzz. They both are exploiting the rival thing to gain some spotlight.

And Ayu using a different vocal aproach doesn't mean "western vocals" nor does it mean it's something her fandom never heard before... Between studio recordings, live performances and the covers she performed before, Ayu has several different ways of using her voice.

Andrenekoi 12th November 2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3104066)
I wouldn't say Hikki "isn't good at all" ; it's called a "technique." Ayu has a technique as well, and has always been said as to 'not have the best vocals' but her style is distinct. That's what makes a good musician - you don't have to be a powerhouse belter, you just need to have something distinct about you - something that sets you apart and makes you recognizable. Hikki has that airy, soft, and breathiness about her which can lend itself really well toward the music she releases. I enjoy her technique (not so much in English, that stuff can get rather horrid) for the most part. In Sakura Nagashi, she does this faint and suttle "stuttering vibrato" when she holds the notes that just makes me melt.

Regarding the PR move, I don't necessarily view that as bad. They saw an opportunity and went for it.

Hikki is my favorite pop musician of all time, but I'm with Chibi-chan on this one... She can't sing to save her life out of the studio. Ayumi is no Celine Dion either, but she has a far more solid singing technique than Hikki does.

Tom Punks 12th November 2014 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 3104082)
I wasn't talking about Hikki's style of singing. I never thought there is something wrong with that. But when singing live most of the time Hikki even isn't able to hit the right notes. She just isn't a good vocalist. It's not that I'm bothered by it that much. I just can't stand her fans claiming she has the best vocals ever, that's not true at all. She not even comes close to being a good vocalist. I have nothing against Hikki, but I truly hate most of her fans... xD

I hate her timbre/tone (like, it literally grosses me out, and I'm not sure why) but personal bias aside, I think her biggest problem with singing is she writes songs just out of range or right at the top of her range. It really doesn't sound pleasant when she's struggling for "high" notes that aren't really that high. I'm not a singing expert, but she sounds like she has breath control issues too maybe? Plus she has goat vibrato lol.

I feel like there are so few technically good singers in jpop though, the only thing really separating her from Ayumi and the like is personal preference.

owlflight 12th November 2014 12:46 AM

I'm not a Hikki fan though I'm not opposed to listening to her discography. From the beginning, I've had issues with the way she sings. It's a bit too light and soft for my taste. I prefer singers with more weight and power in their vocals. However I am always intrigued when singers cover each other's work. I am definitely excited to see which song Ayu will sing.

Chibi-Chan 12th November 2014 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 3104093)
I hate her timbre/tone (like, it literally grosses me out, and I'm not sure why) but personal bias aside, I think her biggest problem with singing is she writes songs just out of range or right at the top of her range. It really doesn't sound pleasant when she's struggling for "high" notes that aren't really that high. I'm not a singing expert, but she sounds like she has breath control issues too maybe? Plus she has goat vibrato lol.

I feel like there are so few technically good singers in jpop though, the only thing really separating her from Ayumi and the like is personal preference.

I think that's the point. A lot of her songs are out of her range. And I get what you're saying about her timbre/tone. It's strange with Hikki for me... sometimes I think her timbre/tone is so beautiful and then there are songs which I just can't stand because of her timbre/tone...

Zeke. 12th November 2014 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3104092)
Hikki is my favorite pop musician of all time, but I'm with Chibi-chan on this one... She can't sing to save her life out of the studio. Ayumi is no Celine Dion either, but she has a far more solid singing technique than Hikki does.

As stated,
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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3104088)
Well I won't deny that. I was never a fan of her lives. I downloaded utada United once and got bored even before I was halfway through.

I could give two shits about Hikki's live vocals anyway. She rarely performs live. She's not a performer, she's an artist. Ayu is a jack-of-all-trades. Hikki certainly is not.

alternarist 12th November 2014 03:36 AM

not really excited about this piece of news as it's more about Hikki and not really about ayu. but still yay! lol

microphone 12th November 2014 05:46 AM

Hope she sings Hikari.

Zacek 12th November 2014 07:03 AM

I bet she sings Movin' on Without you.

douggn 12th November 2014 07:14 AM

I would only be happy if it was one of these, COLORS, traveling, Dareka no Negai ga Kanau Koro, Final Distance, 光, Passion, Prisoner of Love, SAKURA Drops or 桜流し.
I wonder if its going to be just a copy cover or will the artists add their own flare to the songs

lightningrod 12th November 2014 12:34 PM

Those who mention songs other than First Love, FINAL DISTANCE and Prisoner of Love DO realize that it was said that it was from a RECUT single, don't you?
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As for Hikki, I love many of her songs, I reckon the weakest point of her songs is her lyrics. And I also think that she was overrated because A) she has musician parents and B) she was raised in the States.

Chris85 12th November 2014 01:54 PM

I became Ayu and Utada fan simultaneously about 11 years ago, so it's such a pleasant surprise for me.
Utada can't be overrated since her music has always been one of the best Japan has to offer and audience reception proves it. Yes, she sucks at singing live, she has terrible sense of fashion, her concerts are boring, but her music is of highest quality.
Despite I think First love is a really nice ballad, I'm sick of it, so I hope it's not the one Ayu chose.

amorphose 12th November 2014 03:36 PM

For all you people saying Hikki sucks live.... Lol.
Girl has had her share of bad perfroamnces but she does NOT suck live. Her Hikaru no 5 and UTADA UNITED concerts (except for Be My Last) are awesome! UU has one of the coolest stages I've ever seen and the visuals were fantastic too.

I've been to many concerts over the years and her Devil Inside-Kremlin Dusk-YMMWTBAM performance at her In The Flesh tour was the best 15 minutes of all my concert experiences. :heart

Pieces_of_SEVEN 12th November 2014 05:06 PM

Did someone use google translate and get recut...? I didn't see the text myself. But I think it's possible that the meaning is just "a single" she released that ended up being on an album.

DonkeyKongRemix 12th November 2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by amorphose (Post 3104204)
For all you people saying Hikki sucks live.... Lol.
Girl has had her share of bad perfroamnces but she does NOT suck live. Her Hikaru no 5 and UTADA UNITED concerts (except for Be My Last) are awesome! UU has one of the coolest stages I've ever seen and the visuals were fantastic too.

I've been to many concerts over the years and her Devil Inside-Kremlin Dusk-YMMWTBAM performance at her In The Flesh tour was the best 15 minutes of all my concert experiences. :heart

I've always loved her live performances. I do think she has some that aren't superb but she has plenty that are just great!

I like that there's nothing cookie-cutter about her. She is very unique and interesting. I think that's one of the reasons I feel she deserves a lot of respect as an artist.

As excited as I am that Ayu will be in on this, I realized that I am either just as if not more excited that Shiina Ringo is going to be adding in on the tribute album, but since Utada and Shiina Ringo have done music together, it's not too much of a surprise! ^_^ I would love it if Shiina Ringo added her own flare to whatever song she does. I would love for her to do Kiss & Cry but add her really jazzy, classy sound to it.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 12th November 2014 05:11 PM

it's also a matter of opinion, utada stan...
I'm not hating because I love hikki, but I do always get bored watching her concerts...

orangeakira 12th November 2014 05:13 PM

^^I like that every time she makes a ballad version of a song (Flavor of life (Ballad Version), Prisoner of love (Quiet Version), Passion ~after the battle~, Final Distance, etc.) she re-records the vocals to the song and doesn't just slap a vocal track on to an orchestra instrumental.

UU06 was my favorite concert by her. It's too bad that half the time it sounds like she has a stuffy nose.

DonkeyKongRemix 12th November 2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeakira (Post 3104230)
^^I like that every time she makes a ballad version of a song (Flavor of life (Ballad Version), Prisoner of love (Quiet Version), Passion ~after the battle~, Final Distance, etc.) she re-records the vocals to the song and doesn't just slap a vocal track on to an orchestra instrumental.

UU06 was my favorite concert by her. It's too bad that half the time it sounds like she has a stuffy nose.

That reminds me...Was it just a rumor or was it true that she was allergic to the wood used on the stage?

chocopockymaster 12th November 2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN (Post 3104225)
Did someone use google translate and get recut...? I didn't see the text myself. But I think it's possible that the meaning is just "a single" she released that ended up being on an album.

That's always a possibility, I suppose. The literal Japanese text used in the Sponichi article was シングルカットされた代表曲.

From the Japanese wiki for the term シングルカット:

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「シングルカットされた曲」とされるが、実際にはリカットと同じように、先にアルバムに収録された楽曲を後 からシングルとして販売する際に使われることが多い。
Basically, the term is often used for songs that previously appeared on an album and were then later released as a single and can be interchangeably used with the term 'recut single'.

I wish they would just give us the damn tracklist already, lol.

Kazeyomi 12th November 2014 05:30 PM

I love Hikki, not as much as Ayu but she's comes close. Actually I discovered jpop thanks to these two wonderful ladies. So I'm super happy even if the news it's more about Hikki than Ayu.

To be honest, the only thing I really dislike it's how much she's praised. You can't really say anything bad about her without making her fanbase going crazy. Except for Boku wa kuma, even her stans don't like that... whatever song it is.
I think it's the opposite of AHS fanbase lol.

Pieces_of_SEVEN 12th November 2014 06:03 PM

OK well it definitely does say recut. I wasn't doubting anyone I was just curious is maybe someone who doesn't really know japanese relied on a translating site. hm...that's kinda disappointing lol

primavera♥ 12th November 2014 06:51 PM

Lol Deep River - Ultra Blue Hikki is still the best Hikki to me. All of the compositions and arrangements of the songs on those albums are so beautiful and I appreciate most the intricacies that still blow my mind many years later. So I still only want Final Distance since that's the only option. First love and Prisoner of Love would be fine, but disappointing because the quality of those songs overall is so beneath Final Distance.

Anyways, a lot of Utada criticism here. Some of it is...interesting. She's fine live. Not a disaster. I like the emotion she puts into a lot of her lives. Her voice isn't always great. She clearly struggles sometimes. Her concerts are more simplistic. The few that she actually has. But I've never considered her awful live. And she does have great performances.

mi|kshake 12th November 2014 09:58 PM

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Except for Boku wa kuma, even her stans don't like that... whatever song it is.
Am I the only one who enjoys this song?

SEOHYUN 12th November 2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mi|kshake (Post 3104275)
Am I the only one who enjoys this song?

I enjoy it as well. People here calling it a 'Teletubbies' or 'Barney' song, but they just don't get it... :rolleyes

Surreal17 12th November 2014 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mi|kshake (Post 3104275)
Am I the only one who enjoys this song?

It's a cute children song. I don't have any reason to hate it lol

Zeke. 12th November 2014 10:39 PM

I think it's just like, people didn't understand it. And to release it as a single? Everyone waiting for next single and then we get that...? Lol. I let it play wen it comes up while listening to the album. But, the concept was just bizarre and out of left field.

DonkeyKongRemix 12th November 2014 11:07 PM

I loooooove Boku wa Kuma so much that it became the theme song to mine and my sister's made up holiday- Bear Day, which is this weekend, by the way! ;D

Pieces_of_SEVEN 12th November 2014 11:20 PM

What's not to get? It sucks lol

Zeke. 12th November 2014 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieces_of_SEVEN (Post 3104287)
What's not to get? It sucks lol

I actually love the soft arrangement. It has this warm innocent feeling about it.

kotora 12th November 2014 11:58 PM

We have to remember that ayu did lots of cover songs in the past.

I hope I could see ayu cover these songs.

Keep Tryin'
Traveling
Hikari

Matt_rq 13th November 2014 02:05 AM

I love Hikki, I got all her cds even before than Ayu. Ultra blue is just pure magic, Be my Last is so beautiful, is like magic to my ears. I agree her voice isnīt like an angel or something, but I love how she make music and all that sorround her. But I donīt like distance album of her, I would love if ayu cover passion or colours, for me this songs are the magic of utada.

kotora 13th November 2014 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt_rq (Post 3104309)
I love Hikki, I got all her cds even before than Ayu. Ultra blue is just pure magic, Be my Last is so beautiful, is like magic to my ears. I agree her voice isnīt like an angel or something, but I love how she make music and all that sorround her. But I donīt like distance album of her, I would love if ayu cover passion or colours, for me this songs are the magic of utada.

Ayu DID have an angel voice, but alcohol + ear problem killed her voice.

End1ess_sorr0w 13th November 2014 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3104290)
I actually love the soft arrangement. It has this warm innocent feeling about it.

"I agree. 85% of Zeke's post are about how he doesn't like something or he doesn't agree with something... or just complaining about things."

you really can't agree, can you? haha i like the arrangement as well. it's just such a weird song. niji iro bus and boku wa kuma remind me of the magic school bus...haha the songs would make sense if she had a child ...but even that to me is very cliche.

Zeke. 13th November 2014 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by End1ess_sorr0w (Post 3104313)
"I agree. 85% of Zeke's post are about how he doesn't like something or he doesn't agree with something... or just complaining about things."

you really can't agree, can you? haha i like the arrangement as well. it's just such a weird song. niji iro bus and boku wa kuma remind me of the magic school bus...haha the songs would make sense if she had a child ...but even that to me is very cliche.

Haha, I stand by my word and my opinions.

microphone 13th November 2014 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lightningrod (Post 3104175)
Those who mention songs other than First Love, FINAL DISTANCE and Prisoner of Love DO realize that it was said that it was from a RECUT single, don't you?

At the risk of sounding ungrateful for the hard work put in, I don't really trust the translation given. We'll see later on.

I've always thought Hikki's voice is... well... not very good but she still managed to capture me with DEEP RIVER. It's a great album. I'd love Ayu to cover Hikari, Deep River, PLAY BALL or traveling.

primavera♥ 13th November 2014 03:09 AM

I just want the track list *sigh*

tokyoxjapanxfan 13th November 2014 03:15 AM

I don't think single cut always means recut. It can mean recut, but it can also mean a song that was included in a single. It's quite vague.

Delicious n Bold 13th November 2014 05:21 AM

I can't believe people are actually coming for boku wa kuma's weave. A real mess. It takes real skill to sing songs like that without sounding weird like Pamyu.

Deep snow 13th November 2014 05:34 AM

Oh so it did say "single cut". All right then. I hope it's Final Distance (is it a recut single though? It's basically a remix of Distance, but I guess technically it is recut? Blah). The Utada United performance was so good, much better than the CD version. First Love has been overdone like crazy.

orangeakira 13th November 2014 06:11 AM

Ayu should cover Hymne A Lamour. Imagine the train wreck that would come out of her singing in French. I gotta hear that.


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