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truehappiness 7th April 2016 09:10 AM
I don't think Japan had those criticisms as much as Western fans did.

I'd say Japan really enjoyed sixxxxxx, A ONE, LOVE again, and Love songs, but were extremely confused by Colours.

Main thing hurting Ayu is a lack of promotion. Like, most of Japan probably has no idea she even has a new release coming unless they're actively looking or in the shops when it's promoted after the fact.

rikku1994 7th April 2016 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3192161)
I don't think Japan had those criticisms as much as Western fans did.

Main thing hurting Ayu is a lack of promotion. Like, most of Japan probably has no idea she even has a new release coming unless they're actively looking or in the shops when it's promoted after the fact.
I just wish she would work twice as hard when it comes to new music, like, I don't even care if it would be an all ballad album or EDM, I just don't want her new songs to be sooo stale.

I mean, if she can put a lot of effort with her tours, why not with new music?

LONJJONG 7th April 2016 01:12 PM
#36 today!

visionfactory 7th April 2016 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by orbitalaspect (Post 3192156)
I think Ayumi's had consistent criticism over the last five years that has contributed a lot to her sharp fall in sales:

* Working with producers who don't understand her sound very well.
* Writing songs that don't build on her talent as a songwriter (i.e., low effort songs compared to her work from as recent as NEXT LEVEL or RnRC)
* Under-promoting or not promoting her work
* Not building on her prior work in a meaningful way (i.e., doing what she wants vs. at least taking into consideration what fans want to hear and see)

Until 2010-2011, there were occasional criticisms of her actual work, but now it's an every-release bit. With Ls, people criticized the lackluster album tracks. With PQ, people criticized the amateur sound. With La, people criticized how boring the album was, and why she couldn't at least pick an original title. With Colours, it sounded like a blob of songs put together like a mix CD, no cohesion. With AO, people criticized the staleness of almost every track. Ayumi has also been highly criticized for low effort PVs since 2010. The last PVs she invested any significant work in were the PVs from Love songs and FIVE.

So, I criticize because Ayumi is still not the norm, and she will never be "the norm" of Japanese Pop. She's just not giving it her best these days. And we all know she could do a little more to promote her releases, or maybe take an extra month to work on the next album, or maybe work a little harder to make her tours and CDLs different from each other. But she's been cutting corners for the last several years, and it's had an effect. Just like Koda has cut corners and been hurt by it as well.
I agree on that she's been cutting corners sometimes (Like A BEST release they would have made a bigger promotion or better bonus material) but you also have to take in count that ayu is a product and she has like 200+ songs (I mean which solo artist nowadays has 200+ songs and doesn't bore people?) I think a big part of decrease in sales is that people DON'T NEED more songs from ayu, she already has her gems in that number-.

Yukitora 8th April 2016 02:20 PM
^actually i think it's more to do with budget. Ayu still has to make a profit. Every year she brings in less and with every new contract ayu herself becomes more expensive.

Ayu at her peak has amazing quality work because she was bringing in the money. We've been spoilt with ayu.

pimenta 8th April 2016 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3192161)
I don't think Japan had those criticisms as much as Western fans did.

I'd say Japan really enjoyed sixxxxxx, A ONE, LOVE again, and Love songs, but were extremely confused by Colours.

Main thing hurting Ayu is a lack of promotion. Like, most of Japan probably has no idea she even has a new release coming unless they're actively looking or in the shops when it's promoted after the fact.
This.

Promotion makes a huge difference, and she basically vanished from promoting on TV for a couple of years. Whenever she does promote on TV lately she tends to receive positive feedback from the Japanese public. Unfortunately she doesn't do it often and for a couple of years the only thing the general public new about her was her personal life issues that the media was turning into scandals, not her actual musical releases that weren't being promoted anywhere, and that damaged her popularity.
Last year, though, she seemed to promote a bit more and it did seem to help, A ONE and sixxxxxx where well received by the Japanese public, but she has needs to keep having good promotion to be able to keep improving her sales and popularity.

//ABEST 8th April 2016 04:07 PM
like it was all because she doesn't wanna promote. maybe tv shows doesn't need / care about her performing on their shows since she's not on top anymore

maybe it's all of these reasons, we can only wait and see

js_surrealism 8th April 2016 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3192161)
I don't think Japan had those criticisms as much as Western fans did.

I'd say Japan really enjoyed sixxxxxx, A ONE, LOVE again, and Love songs, but were extremely confused by Colours.

Main thing hurting Ayu is a lack of promotion. Like, most of Japan probably has no idea she even has a new release coming unless they're actively looking or in the shops when it's promoted after the fact.
Actually, is there any proof of this? Like album reviews, Japanese forum posts, that kind of thing. I know a lot of people seem to take this for granted but it's always felt like a bit of an assumption here that people make...

Andrenekoi 8th April 2016 08:48 PM
I had collected some japanese reviews of her releases once and made a thread, but no one really cared xD

I do believe Ayu went through a exposition hiatus for some years as a way to rest her image without stopping from releasing music.

attractive nausea 8th April 2016 09:21 PM
^ Awww, where is it? I must have missed it.

Andrenekoi 8th April 2016 10:05 PM
^

People actually did care... but mostly to say they don't need reviews because they are bullshit or to post blog reviews in English xD http://ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113326

I remember I was planning to make more threads with other reviews from other albums (those sites have more reviews from her stuff if I remember right), but as this didn't work out I just gave up. :P

truehappiness 8th April 2016 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3192359)
Actually, is there any proof of this? Like album reviews, Japanese forum posts, that kind of thing. I know a lot of people seem to take this for granted but it's always felt like a bit of an assumption here that people make...
Well, you could tell they were a little confused just based on sales of Colours IMO. Usually I like to check out Amazon.jp reviews even though sometimes they skew towards a certain opinion, and usually they're positive. Also I am factoring in some TA comments I'd read or comments on Twitter I saw during release periods.

tokyoxjapanxfan 9th April 2016 12:31 AM
No one knows she's actually still releasing things. Like, at all. She has no presence in the media sphere. One performance isn't enough, either. Music Station's target is teenagers, tbh. Most young adults aren't home at 8 pm on Friday night lol.

Also my most common experience with Ayu is I always hear "Aww I used to love her. Is she still releasing stuff? Aoi sora o tomo ni ikou yo~ that was such a good song!"

Ayu's always in past tense lol

ayumisrael 9th April 2016 12:50 AM
Yeah I gotta agree with this since every Japanese person I talk to (and I talked with a lot on the last 2 months) asks the same question. "Is she still making music?" and sometimes "She is not on tv anymore". :laugh Like a broken record.

truehappiness 9th April 2016 01:50 AM
I actually heard similar things around 2008/2009 and she was still promoting a fair bit then but nowhere near as invisible as now. "You like Ayu? Oh, I loved BLUE BIRD! Ayu was so good. Does she still make new music?" is basically what you'll get.

A wide good tie-in and a run on promotional circuit would get her back in the public eye, but I don't think she even wants that anymore.

Also it's been pretty bad that when people do hear of her, it's because of some drama or something that has nothing to really do with music.

Andrenekoi 9th April 2016 02:10 AM
I believe she reduced her exposure as a way to rest her image (she had almost a whole decade of hyper exposition after all), but as she still sparkes interest on the general public her personal life, that always was on a way or another fuel to tabloids didn't had her music to make a counter point.

orbitalaspect 9th April 2016 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3192392)
I believe she reduced her exposure as a way to rest her image (she had almost a whole decade of hyper exposition after all), but as she still sparkes interest on the general public her personal life, that always was on a way or another fuel to tabloids didn't had her music to make a counter point.
I'm not sure if I agree about it being to rest her image as much as I think it has to do with her being a "product" of avex. Over the last 15 years, she's largely done everything in her power to not be avex's sugar momma, and I think her dropping out of TV promo and other stuff was just another step.

It's sad though because it comes off like she doesn't realize people who like her aren't necessarily going to hunt her down to find out what she's doing. It's also sad because it waters down the experience of being a fan. Instead of the excitement of CMs and singles with PVs and TV performances and talk show interviews, we just sit around waiting for news. Not so exciting.

pimenta 9th April 2016 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan (Post 3192383)
No one knows she's actually still releasing things. Like, at all. She has no presence in the media sphere. One performance isn't enough, either. Music Station's target is teenagers, tbh. Most young adults aren't home at 8 pm on Friday night lol.

Also my most common experience with Ayu is I always hear "Aww I used to love her. Is she still releasing stuff? Aoi sora o tomo ni ikou yo~ that was such a good song!"

Ayu's always in past tense lol
Well, this pretty much sums up the issue.

If she wants higher sales (which I'm not sure she cares tbh), she seriously needs promotion. Sometimes I see people taking for granted here that her lower sales mean people didn't like the release, while in reality the main reason is that most of the general public didn't even know about it...

js_surrealism 9th April 2016 08:44 AM
Slightly off discussion but I thought this would have been a fabulous way to do re-releases:

http://petapixel.com/2016/04/08/phil...reshot-covers/

He went and reshot ALL of his original album covers in the exact same style.

mizuki-7 9th April 2016 11:20 AM
To me it's more fans that are bothered about things like exposure, promotion, sales etc... than herself ! Fans really need to do a closeup at how her carrer was from 1998 to 2008 ! She was everywhere without rest and I think she earned the right to stop all these things and live her life while continuing her career with less exposure !

I really think that if she cared about it she definitely would take steps concerning these issues ! On a side note she has always been very aware of the state of her career to begin with so she truly know that for most of people she is a singer from the past and there isn't so much she can do about it !

Next_Level29 9th April 2016 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3192419)
Slightly off discussion but I thought this would have been a fabulous way to do re-releases:

http://petapixel.com/2016/04/08/phil...reshot-covers/

He went and reshot ALL of his original album covers in the exact same style.
oh yeah. this would be so great!

maxikot 9th April 2016 04:46 PM
Idea is amazing but only if you are really older xD With Ayu you wouldn't see that much of a difference. She is still young and beautiful woman ;) Plus amount of make up and you have almost the same Ayu :D

AyuGAME 9th April 2016 05:35 PM
I wish she did that too...at least maybe a slip cover behind the original cover...hahaha

brener 9th April 2016 11:58 PM
ayu would totally look the same but id love to see that happen

jean-baptiste 10th April 2016 12:24 AM
Namie did something similar for her 20th anniversary. I can totally see ayu doing her version of it.

visionfactory 10th April 2016 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mizuki-7 (Post 3192433)
To me it's more fans that are bothered about things like exposure, promotion, sales etc... than herself ! Fans really need to do a closeup at how her carrer was from 1998 to 2008 ! She was everywhere without rest and I think she earned the right to stop all these things and live her life while continuing her career with less exposure !
So true :yes fans don't realize ayu may want to do other things than working with her life

aliceshields 10th April 2016 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3192419)
Slightly off discussion but I thought this would have been a fabulous way to do re-releases:

http://petapixel.com/2016/04/08/phil...reshot-covers/

He went and reshot ALL of his original album covers in the exact same style.
I like the idea of reshot all his original album covers in the exact same style.

Like Delta Goodrem re-record her album Innocent Eyes for Ten Year Anniversary (Acoustic Edition) released.

KarenPang 10th April 2016 07:28 AM
Kuraki Mai did that when she released MAI KURAKI BEST 151A -LOVE & HOPE- where the covers were recreated almost the same manner as her debut album Delicious Way

LONJJONG 10th April 2016 06:24 PM
6th April: #42
8th April: #40
9th April: #40
10th April: #36

Steady af.

visionfactory 10th April 2016 07:09 PM
So happy with the results

LONJJONG 11th April 2016 12:08 PM
ayumisrael, #42 is 3rd week's 1st Day :D

And... it's #22 today!!

Party_King 12th April 2016 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3192419)
Slightly off discussion but I thought this would have been a fabulous way to do re-releases:

http://petapixel.com/2016/04/08/phil...reshot-covers/

He went and reshot ALL of his original album covers in the exact same style.
I also would liked that idea...
but than I've Calendar 2012 in my mind... that doesn't really worked out well:tipsy

AyuGAME 12th April 2016 03:35 AM
I'm happy with the longevity

truehappiness 12th April 2016 05:59 AM
With the tour coming I wonder if we'll see it in the charts for a few months more~

pimenta 12th April 2016 02:51 PM
3rd Week
Position: #33
Sales: 1,364

Total: 15,874


15k! :D

ayumisrael 12th April 2016 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LONJJONG (Post 3192688)
ayumisrael, #42 is 3rd week's 1st Day :D

And... it's #22 today!!
Thank you!
If users don't update the daily/weekly here I wouldn't know otherwise. :laugh

pimenta 12th April 2016 03:02 PM
^
4th Week
1st Day
position: #27

:)

Ryusei 12th April 2016 03:03 PM
Already 3 times the amount i expected it to sell lmao

hayasaki 13th April 2016 05:24 AM
Is 20k impossible? I'd be happy if this reaches 20k in the long run :))

aliceshields 13th April 2016 06:22 AM
I think 20k is possible, and the arena tour will help to push the sales figure higher.

LONJJONG 13th April 2016 02:49 PM
Out of top 50 :(

orbitalaspect 13th April 2016 05:14 PM
But, you know, it sold 50% MORE copies than Winter Diary... and this had nothing new on it. TV Promo FTW!

Zeke. 13th April 2016 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by orbitalaspect (Post 3192920)
But, you know, it sold 50% MORE copies than Winter Diary... and this had nothing new on it. TV Promo FTW!
I wouldn't chalk it up entirely to TV promo. She could put effort into getting the same type of exposure for her next release, but it wouldn't increase her sales by 50%. This was a mix of various factors, which I'm sure the TV promo helped to draw forward.

chocopockymaster 13th April 2016 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3192925)
I wouldn't chalk it up entirely to TV promo. She could put effort into getting the same type of exposure for her next release, but it wouldn't increase her sales by 50%. This was a mix of various factors, which I'm sure the TV promo helped to draw forward.
Agreed. The most important thing my stats professor taught me all those years ago is that correlation does not equal causation. There are so many other factors at work that you can't look at the numbers and definitively say "omg look at what those three minutes on TV did for her sales!".

Andrenekoi 13th April 2016 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by aliceshields (Post 3192882)
I think 20k is possible, and the arena tour will help to push the sales figure higher.
We won't get the full figures from the show venue sales...

orbitalaspect 14th April 2016 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3192925)
I wouldn't chalk it up entirely to TV promo. She could put effort into getting the same type of exposure for her next release, but it wouldn't increase her sales by 50%. This was a mix of various factors, which I'm sure the TV promo helped to draw forward.
You're taking the numbers too literally. Of course there is no guarantee of a 50% increase in sales if she does TV Promo. However, a release that would generally not have this kind of attention was certainly helped by Ayumi's performance on television, which is something she didn't do for Winter diary.

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Originally Posted by chocopockymaster (Post 3192934)
Agreed. The most important thing my stats professor taught me all those years ago is that correlation does not equal causation. There are so many other factors at work that you can't look at the numbers and definitively say "omg look at what those three minutes on TV did for her sales!".
Is it responsible for all 15k? Of course not, and I didn't suggest that either. But there is not and has never been a correlative relationship between sales and media promotion. Media promotion certainly does affect sales in measurable ways. So, sure, it's not everything but you're suggesting that musicians go through all the organizing, planning, and rehearsal work over and over with no real expectation of better sales.

truehappiness 14th April 2016 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3192937)
We won't get the full figures from the show venue sales...
Still, a good amount can come from each venue if they sell well there.

mizuki-7 14th April 2016 11:56 AM
^
Yes but they really need to have a big stock because even if she sell 1000 copies in the first date for example only 250/300 copies will count so ... It's another weakness of Oricon ...

pimenta 20th April 2016 03:20 PM
4th Week
position: #59
Sales: 819

Total: 16,693


16k! :D

spanishfan 21st April 2016 01:09 AM
I think this will sell more than 20k, even if it doesn't chart till then.

hayasaki 21st April 2016 11:27 PM
Yay its even close to 17k! Yay :) I'm happy for the numbers... I hope ayu will appear more on tv for her next release

AyuGAME 22nd April 2016 02:43 AM
BEST album always having more longevity...

oaristos 22nd April 2016 02:54 AM
I'm so happy it even surpassed the 15k mark! :yes :heart

brener 22nd April 2016 04:20 AM
819 and still #59, I wonder how many copies did the #300 album sell...

pimenta 22nd April 2016 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by brener (Post 3193832)
819 and still #59, I wonder how many copies did the #300 album sell...
#300 sold 190 copies. Not a very exciting week... Literally all positions between #275~#300 sold between 199~190 lol

pimenta 27th April 2016 02:59 PM
5th Week
position: #112
Sales: 589

Total: 17,282

17k! :D

brener 27th April 2016 09:15 PM
great! =) it still might sell around 600 copies in the next 2-3 weeks

AyuGAME 28th April 2016 03:46 AM
20K please

Elednist 10th May 2016 12:39 PM
6th Week
position: #178
Sales: 467

Total: 17,749

I got those numbers on generasia. On oricon they also tell A BEST charted for 6 weeks.

pimenta 10th May 2016 07:00 PM
^ That's correct.
I forgot to update this past week >_< Thanks for posting 6th week's sales!

7th week numbers should come out tomorrow, but it's already stated it charted for a 7th week :)

oaristos 10th May 2016 08:13 PM
It's probably going to reach 18k soon! :D

brener 11th May 2016 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Elednist (Post 3196780)
6th Week
position: #178
Sales: 467

Total: 17,749

I got those numbers on generasia. On oricon they also tell A BEST charted for 6 weeks.
I completely forgot about it too hahaha And we're already on the seventh week, that's amazing =)

pimenta 11th May 2016 02:50 PM
7th week
Position: #212
Sales: 309

Total: 18,058

18k! I don't think it's gonna reach 20k considering it's dropping a lot of positions each week, but it's gonna be pretty close, and that's more than any of us expected I think :D

AyuGAME 11th May 2016 03:05 PM
hopefully the tour will keep it has more longevity...

oaristos 11th May 2016 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pimenta (Post 3197639)
7th week
Position: #212
Sales: 309

Total: 18,058
:banana1:banana2:banana1:banana2

pimenta 18th May 2016 02:35 PM
8th week
Position: #292
Sales:219

Total: 18,277


This may be the last week on the charts :/

oaristos 21st May 2016 03:49 AM
^ That's so nice it's still charting. Thank you for the updates!

willytbk 22nd May 2016 06:43 AM
sorry for asking, does she sells her albums at the concert venue ? only the latest albums or we can find other past albums as well ? i am going to the Tokyo concert this July and it's my first time to see her :)

pimenta 24th May 2016 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by willytbk (Post 3200546)
sorry for asking, does she sells her albums at the concert venue ? only the latest albums or we can find other past albums as well ? i am going to the Tokyo concert this July and it's my first time to see her :)
I'm not sure, but I think they sell her most recent releases (or at least the ons from the past few years)... Her discography is too big, I don't think they sell older releases at the venue, but someone may correct me if I'm wrong.
But big CD shops in Tokyo should have all her albums :)


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