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if ppl didnt know the single was limited, and judging from her previous singles especially the first week sales, this is very low sales then. Maybe her sales are still hurt from cherry girl/unmei just like b&d/pride and this but/ashio will be like startin/born to be....will sell a little bit more than the previous single.
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It will be in the lower end in terms of sales post ~first things~. But it will probably debut a bit under the you/No Regret numbers (72k).
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This makes me wonder if this year, other female artists whose been on a decline will do better in their own sales....like namie and utada...their sales increased for their singles.
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EXILE Mr. Children Mika Nakashima Ai Otsuka best album and so on.. And she did not effing drop to no.12. That was on the worldwide sales chart. Quote:
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A BEST DROPPED ONE SPOT! OMG!!11!!1111111! it went from #1 to #2, how do i suppose to live now?! i! mean! one! spot! chart-run : #1-#2 -- THIS IS SUCH A FAILURE! ¬_¬' |
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Some people here think we're talking about some common album. This is a best release, it has gotten a lot of promotion, it is expected to sell a lot better than that. You guys must be in serious denial to think this album is doing amazingly great. ayu was a lazy bum with this release, she should have resung or have some of the tracks rearranged and it should have been a double CD (WHITE + BLACK) instead. Also, this release is bland and unoriginal. I'm a hardcore ayu fan and I didn't feel excited to listening to this A BEST 2 at all. I was just like, ok all the same old songs I've overplayed, sounding exactly the same again? (I know, there's the remastering crap, but for real, what a huge difference!!!! :rolleyes) A BALLADS was definitely much better and interesting to listen to. It had a grand ballad like RAINBOW, which is one of her most memorable songs. Part of Me was a bogus track, cliche and forgettable with yet another recycled H/\L melody. I guess ayu's BEST covers do indeed show how her mood was when they decided she would have to release the compilation. This is why she looked so extremely bored in all the 4 covers, she's almost yawning in some of them. About BUT/Aisho and BBL, maybe it has to do with how the cds were distributed? Maybe avex didn't put all albums/singles for sale all at once, I dunno, could be totally mistaken about it. Maybe people were not interested in those releases either. |
Of course she's not gonna sell 4 million again, 2001 is over, so stop the overly-high expectations.
But well, I was hoping at least 2 million combined. It's kind of sad, but it's not a FAILURE NOR A FLOP. It's just doing not so well. Especially not a 'pathetic failure' |
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That's probably the reason why you are so "disappointed" with everything. Most, if not all hardcore/omg longtime Ayu fans are like picky about every little thing she does. D: |
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I really think you're making too much of a big deal out of the sales of this album.
Obviously people are buying the album, but not as many people as we might've liked. So what? Does that mean Ayu failed? Does that mean that those 1.1 million units of A BEST 2 spell "not so good sales?" I really think that by being Ayu fans, we were continually spoiled by high sales, and now that she's got semi-above-average sales, people are freaking out about it saying that she's "doomed." Many artists would kill to sell 400k+ of their albums.. |
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I thought Ai am best was already released. Ai would have been a baka desu if she didnt promote it but i think that album is gonna flop worst than any best album it still feels so soon you know and isnt making any sense that she released 4 singles already and no new album... what is wrong with AVEX this year? |
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And.. how do you know that?
I seriously think you're doing a little too much "assuming" and not enough "actually knowing." :| She also looked very bored in the A BEST and Memorial address booklets.. does that mean there was no effort in their creation? |
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dont say it is a flop
there is always ItUNe im pretty sure she makes money out of that |
I am sorry for all the intellegent people in here... But KUMI KODA's BOUNCE&LOVERS! is a limited album not suppose to sell over 350k so its not a flop at all the album wasnt even that serious to begin with and so is the "BUT" single. It was not on purpose to release it to hurt Ayu's sales!!
somehow had pmed that saying ABEST 2 flopped because of Kumi. I find it really incompentent that people blame this and that... i am still at a lost of words why people keep saying the album is doing bad.. because it definatly isnt.. people can sit here on this forum and cry and fuss but it aint doing anything.... If you feel so bad about it go out and promote the album yourself.... Ayu's prime is over but she is still doing well and on top... i dont hate ayu i will always be a fan because of her honest lyrics and she is not doing gimmicks anymore really she is just enjoying herself and making music.. |
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Geez, we have to walk in the same line in order to be respected here in AHS. any different opinion and people will hunt you like hell. Ok, this album is amazing! It was great that they divided the release into 2, it makes you choose whether you prefer a happier album or a darker album, and that's so amazing, it is much better than if they had compiled both CDs in one album only. ayu put so much effort, I'm sure she was sweatimg buckets, specially into making her most original and amazing piece of work ever, part of Me! That song is so amazing, totally alternative with a very original melody. In the PV she had to wear a very heavy dress, poor ayu, all for the sake of her fans. These sales are fantastic and doing extremely well! I'm so impressed and proud of her! |
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Sorry, but HOW the fact that a BEST is limited can explain the low sales ??
If it can't sell the 2/3 of the stocks as a limited, how can it sell more as a non-limited ? O.o Do you think that, NOW, if they change it to a non-limited BEST, it'll sell 10x more ?? I don't think so... Do you think that the fact it's limited is a good reason for low sales ? That people will say "Oh, it's a limited I won't buy it" and "Oh, it's non-limited now, I'll surely buy it"?? I really don't get this point x___x How would a LIMITED BEST sell more because it's just a BEST, and it haven't even reach the Limited stock ?? Please someone explain clearly because I REALLY don't get it v__v 01 HOME Mr.Children [37984] 02 YES 中島美嘉 [10028] 03 BEST~BOUNCE & LOVERS~(期間限定生産盤) 倖田來未 [8882] 04 EXILE EVOLUTION EXILE 05 ぶっ生き返す マキシマム ザ ホルモン 06 A BEST 2-WHITE- 浜崎あゆみ 07 A BEST 2-BLACK- 浜崎あゆみ Mike Nakashima's original album would have sell more than BEST~BOUNCE & LOVERS~ =/ GO AYU GO GO!!! Hope it won't be a huge drop for the 3rd week *-* |
LOL ImpactBreaker. You compare this album with A BALLADS and how much worse A BEST 2 is, yet A BALLADS didn't do much better than these albums at all. It dropped like 400 000 in the second week.
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That's fine. If she tampered with too much stuff on this album, it might have irked people. Most popular artists don't mess around with the songs on their Greatest Hits albums. They keep them the way they always were so that the fans can enjoy a compilation of the songs they enjoyed over the years. That's the point of this album.
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I didn't know Koda was trying to go against all the men in one week...she should've pushed her date back further after realizing so many popular male groups were releasing around this time...esp if she wanted all 350k sold. Congrats to Ayu by the way, I've been checking the thread regularly (everyday actually) and I'm very happy for her.
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^I don't think avex really cares if she really gets #1 or not.
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^they got kuu now so they care even less
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I wonder if how many and which best albums will be released later on this year and how well it will sell. |
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^Taiwan charts don't give out numbers, they only give out percentages...
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I think that some artists release during the "dry" period of J-Pop-sales.. where nothing really "popular" is released..
Whereas in this case, A BEST 2 was released JUST before a flood of highly anticipated releases.. D: |
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Like, Black Cherry only got number one for so many weeks because no one was releasing.. D:
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:roflmao Yeah~ Must agree with you also, some important sellers of J-Music are releasing their stuffs one after one, Mr.Children, Kuu~chan, Ai Otsuka... A little hard for the +3rd week of A BEST 2 =/ |
Well, it's true.
No one really released in Koda's 1st week, so Black Cherry got first. And BESTYO [released 11.29, same as Secret] got 2nd with 70k or so. Then in Koda's 2nd week at no.1 Soul'd Out had a single collection, but they aren't exactly popular [this was also during the "Oricon counts 2 weeks as one" thing..]. Then in her 3rd week, ayaka's First Message popped out to get no.2 with 20k or something.. D: |
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^ cause it's just people trying to defend her sales. Everyone knows that BL sales are lack lustre, limited or not.
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I think it's because they expect that the sales will not be up to her "usual" sales..
Unlike Ayu, who had the tri-release-thing during SURREAL / Duty / some concert, Koda probably doesn't have that large of a hold on people. Ayu topped each chart that week, I think.. [almost selling out SURREAL, I believe, since that was 300k limited..] |
Lol, Mika's beating Kuu? That's hilarious... I can't believe this at all.
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I guess it's cause Mika's not trying to be an AfroAsian now.. :O
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I actually enjoyed mikas new album...even though the songs kinda sound similar. Im glad its doing better than The End. I think b&l will still take the #2 spot. According to the indicators, b&l is leading by approx 5000 copies.
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lol this is so enternaining.. whatever happens to jpop world O.o
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ayu_fan is correct... The first week sales of SURREAL was about 310K, so it couldn't be 300K limited release.
and yes, ayu topped the chart for album, single, and DVD on that week. Oricon did mention about that last year when KAT-TUN did the same thing. :P |
18/03/07, remeber those aren't official numbers =)
01 HOME Mr.Children [35572] 02 YES 中島美嘉 [10400] 03 BEST~BOUNCE & LOVERS~(期間限定生産盤) 倖田來未 [9450] 04 EXILE EVOLUTION EXILE 05 ぶっ生き返す マキシマム ザ ホルモン 06 A BEST 2-WHITE- 浜崎あゆみ 07 A BEST 2-BLACK- 浜崎あゆみ Mika Nakashima's original album YES whould have sold more than the limited BEST of Kuu-chan again for yesterday! A BEST 2 -WHITE- & -BLACK- still in #6 & #7 for the 4th day =3 Tomorrow we should have the 3rd week official ORICON charts, hope it'll be +80k for A BEST 2 each =33 |
I hope YES can chart higher than B&L.
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Yay!!! Mika is beating Koda Kumi!!!!!!!!! her album THE END was great, but why the sales aren't great, i haven't buy Mika latest album YES... i really want to buy it..
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What I'm tryin' to firgure is what is wrong with selling 500,000? Like many ppl said we're not in the early 2000s anymore. Selling 500,000 (IMO) is like the new one million. So I think many of you should shut up on "Ayu's A BEST 2 selling so low comment. (THIS IS MEANT FOR YOU KUU LOVING FANS) |
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I don't understand all the Kumi hate, she's a good artist. It's not her fault avex has been pimping her for every dollar she's worth, and i don't understand why it's bad if someone sells more than Ayu. After all, Ayu's record is virtually unassalaible in terms of a solo female artist.
Anyways, I kind of hope Mika gets #2, i really love her new album. I would've liked to see Kuu get #1 for BUT/Aisho, i think this is her best single since you. Hopefully, Ayu will get above 60k this week and will stay around that level for the next few weeks. |
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/rankmusic/43067/
there's no news about A BEST 2 sales on last week.. but Mika didn't get #2. Bounce & Lovers got this position instead. and HOME got 693K copies on the first week... and you see, the person who got weekly #5 sold around 71K this week, meaning that each A BEST 2 sold less than that.. :no |
I wonder how Kumiko's feeling about not hitting #1 with either release (GO FLAVOR OF LIFE!)? Will everything be blamed on the single being "limited"?
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I doubt BUT/Aisho was limited. Avex anounced B&L was limited as soon as it was announced, why not say the same for the single? I think they realized it would do badly as previews emerged and the public didn't react well so they said it was limited to mask the single's poor sales. Didn't Cherry Girl debut with 66k? And that single was 2 weeks before BC...
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I don't really understand why avex wouldn't want every copy to be available in the stores when first week sales are everything.
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Cherry Girl/Unmei's 1st week sales were 61k. |
Two totally different best albums released at the same time from a popular artist not selling well =/= One best album from a popular artist not selling well..
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Looking at everyone's sales, perhaps we've come to a time when Japanese people just aren't feelin female singers like they used to (with the exception of Utada... since she's always had amazing sales).
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How much did cherry girl/unmei end up selling? The sales of but/ashio could sell close to that.
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Now..ill get back to topic and predict that next weaks sales are 50k. Then 25k. Then 12.5k and 6k respectively.
is it me or is this best album dropping very FAST |
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I just stopped in to check Ayu's (and Mr. Children's!) sales and I ended up reading the whole thread! :tired
I think my definition of "success" and "failure" must be different from a lot of people. If a weak album with poor content gets #1, I think that's failure. If A BEST 2 drops from #1 to #100 overnight but stays in my stereo for weeks and its' songs make constant appearences on my mp3 player, I think that's success. If someone doesn't like A BEST 2, hey that's fine. But don't use its' numbers as evidence that it "OMG sux0rz!" and think everyone should agree. There are artists I like that don't even chart. PULLTOP JUICE anyone? :( Quote:
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Yup. We wouldn't know how much effort she really put in in these albums. Only Ayu noes it herself. All we can do is to believe Ayu is giving her best for the fans.
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3rd Week Oricon Sales
*6 *46,634 623,812 Ayumi Hamasaki - A BEST 2 -WHITE- *7 *44,239 611,650 Ayumi Hamasaki - A BEST 2 -BLACK- |
1.23 million copies and counting! WOO!
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Bigger drop that I thought, over 50%..
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Huge drop, again. At this rate, it's not gonna sale more than (m)u.
Is Secret still charting? |
^ I thought that was kinda obvious for a while.
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Huge drop indeed. But at least both of them surpass 600k each and counting. I wish for both albums a very good luck and keep on selling consistently for weeks to come.
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I just realized that the albums combined have sold more than Black Cherry. I remember that was one of my wishes concerning the sales of this release. Now to remember if I meant -BLACK- and -WHITE- each or combined. :P
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what is the sales of black cherry and m(u) to date?
still at least hope each album can hit 650k! btw, does ayumi have autograph sessions in japan? most singers organise autograph sessions since fans want their idols' autograph desperately. this way, sales may increase! |
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concering ayu... what was secret's third week sales? forgot. |
^Nah she doesn't. I don't think it'll be much of an increase though, as you can only sign so many copies before physically wearing out.
(m)u so far has sold 877k BC so far has sold 976k and will probably break the mil. mark soon. |
I don't care if she has a huge drop...I'm just glad that she was able to sell a million.....
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In A BALLADS she made a very great PV with loads of acting, etc. In the song RAINBOW she selected several messages from fans and created the song. It's rather obvious that she had a lot tougher moment when creating the song RAINBOW and its PV than when she made the mediocreness of "part of Me" song+PV. Not to mention, she RESANG You, A Song for XX and Who... . What else did she do for A BEST 2? she just sang part of Me, acted standing still in the PV, and that's all. Now to make things even worse, look at A BALLADs covers and compare them to the A BEST 2 covers. For real, there's absolutely no doubt a BALLADS covers demanded a lot more work than the "bored ayu" face cover from A BEST 2. |
These sales aren't that bad, i just hope she lasts longer on the charts. If she gets above 40k again this week i'd be bery happy:D
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Well... It's still your point of view after all, so I'll respect the fact you don't like thins song+PV, I won't discuss this =) For the A BEST 2 covers however, I'm not sure you should compare them with A BALLADS but more with A BEST since it's A BEST 2; They used the same style, meaning Ayu's face, that she can give a message just with the eyes-contact. Those covers are more artistic than what you could imagine, Ayu don't need a beautiful dress, a beautiful hairstyle, a beautiful room and a beautiful smile with some beautiful things like in A BALLADS covers, they just need her, Ayu her-self, her talent & her voice, to present the BEST of her, as an artist =) That's my point of view, everyone can see them how they want, but I personally prefer those covers than A BALLADS where Ayu is missing something, it's like she 'needs' the decors to show the beauty of the covers, not like A BEST/A BEST 2 ^.^ Oh, and still, you can't know if she made more effort for A BEST 2, some work can be hidden after all those obviouse things, maybe she sacrified a single to release this BEST, so not me not you can know, sorry ^^; For sales, yeah, still poor in individual way, I would prefer 1,5 million both for the 3rd week, but well we're not THAT far, specially with all those releases, and the coming Ai am BEST =/ BESTs can chart longer than original albums, so we still have a chance for the 1,3~1,5, but I really do hope it'll reach 1,5 both in the final, even if it seems really hard yeah =/ I'm not trying to justifie Ayu's sales, still it's really POOR for a BEST of Queen of J-Pop [Please don't inclue Kuu-chan's name here, in your dreams v__v], but well, maybe I was waiting for TOO MUCH that I got deception =/ |
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ImpactBreaker, when did you become the supreme judge of effort and quality?
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Can i just say. Does it matter that it wont beat the sales of a different album?
No it dosent, If you like the music then good - You shouldent think 'oh noes she is failing' because she is still selling, and the music is still good to you - so forget sales I wait for a smartarsed responce |
It really doesn't matter at all.
IMO, she's doing really well for a solo artist with almost ten years in the biz to be doing a dual-release best.. Has any soloist done this before Ayu? :O |
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"part of Me" song was extremely hard song to be made. the melody is not cliche and we hear a lot of complex elements added to ayu vocals since her voice doesn't definitely stand monotonal throughout almost the whole song. It sends shivers through my spine since I've never ever in my entire life listened to such a fantastic and origimnal work. She put so MUCh effort into make a song like that. I'm sorry but aren't you really able to judge a work? I'm not saying I'm the supreme judge, and it's absurd that you're twisting things like that. I'm really sorry that you aren't able to see something and judge whether effort was put into them or not, because sorry if it makes me "supreme" but I have a critical mind that can make that and it's not my fault if you can't judge a work then. And please don't tell me the (miss)understood covers had hell a lot of hard work because the answer is obvious and it doesn't need anybody to be "supreme' in order to deduce that. |
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Sorry, since when it's a fact ? xD It's still your point of view in my knowledge, I can present you 1.000 people who will disagree with you, I personally prefer part of Me than RAINBOW, is that still a fact? =) And if you prefer RAINBOW song/PV, does it mean that the part of Me song/PV is "mediocre" ? I prefer faaar better CAROLS than A song is born, I LOVE both but I wouldn't say A song is born is mediocre... Quote:
I don't know how you can do that, personally I can't! But to say if we have any critical sense, sorry but this is another subject, as I respected your point view, respect mine please. I didn't use words like "No I don't agree with you" "You're 100% wrong" "Are you crazy to think like that" I just posted my point of view responding to your way of seeing this work, so please keep those "Do you guys have any critical sense?" comment things for yourself. It's not because things seem 'obvious' to you that it's the real truth, I didn't say I'm right in any way, or as I'm talking to a child, I really respect you, there's no problem with you, not saying that in a sacrastic way but in a friendly one, or this subject whould have turned to something else long time ago seeing how reactions are in total disagree here =p Back to the subject, Ayu may look a little "stupid" on (miss)understood covers for exemple, yeah~ But can you say it didn't got any good job behind this "stupid-look" cover ? (miss)understood covers surely hide a secret message, it can be something like "this is an other of my personal albums, It really reflets Ayu her-self" which may explain the simplicity of the covers. For the weird look, still she wanted to show some more natural faces, not the diva (MY STORY), the secret artist (Memorial address) or something 10x more artistical (I am...|RAINBOW) Only Ayu knows the effort & the meaning of these covers =) Also, what you can find boring, some other people may find it interesting. What you think "Geez, ayu was not in the mood for releasing this album", some others can think "Oh, what is she thinking about ?" "What is she expressing ? Angry? Dreaming?" "What does she want to say, by looking to us on that way" "Oh man, those covers are weird but can anyone tell me if there is a secret meaning behind those huge eyes?" You see, what you can find 'obvious' isn't really THAT obvious in reality =) Everyone has his imagination, his way to interpretate a song/PV/picture ^.^ PS : We don't ask you to say her work is perfect, I find your point of view interesting, if not I wouldn't respond to you in any way, just read your post and pass my way, but you marked some interesting points that needed to be discussed. If you find this BEST work not satisfying, then it's your point of view, not a reality or a fact, not everyone will agree with you so they don't have or a criticla sense ;) |
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She certainly did put a lot of work into A BALLADS, but I feel that she made an equal effort with A BEST 2. I mean, how can you tell how much thought Ayu put into the album? Maybe she had been thinking about a second BEST ever since the first one was released. Maybe Ayu spent nights debating with herself over whether or not she should re-sing her songs. Maybe she didn't. If I ever meet her, I'll be sure to ask. ;) You can think Ayu is a bum anytime and you can think A BEST 2 looks "bored", just don't try to make a fact out of it. |
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