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panda♥ 19th March 2008 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by zoomzoom (Post 1378092)
You've got to be kidding me.

It takes months to recover from a nose job and she's being photographed CONSTANTLY.

AMEN! :yes

FoObY 19th March 2008 01:40 AM

I see the link to A-BEST- 2 as well, I think this shot resembles the cover most:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4...p004kx3.th.jpg

Seiko Yua 19th March 2008 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkm444 (Post 1377963)
If the lingerie scene and alterna scene was taken out, I probably would have liked this pv. Those 2 scene makes it random to me.

really?? i thought her lingerie scenes were really hot lol but the alterna stuff was kind'a random so i would agree on that.

beautiful pv, bad editing. could've been better, but if i were ayu, i would never work with that editor/director/whoever managed to mess it up again :irked

nanami606 19th March 2008 01:49 AM

Not kidding. her nose was bothering me throughout the whole pv. or maybe im imagining things. hope so.

panda♥ 19th March 2008 01:50 AM

^ you ARE imagining things. xD

Kashoku 19th March 2008 01:52 AM

I thought it was horrible XD

happiholic★ 19th March 2008 02:00 AM

I really enjoyed it. I rather prefer it being "underwhelming".

Ninix33 19th March 2008 02:25 AM

Gurr. I was expecting a really really good pv to go with such a good song.

They're starting to recycle scenes again. :innocent And this isn't anything they couldn't have done with a green screen in Japan.

I think the actual concept was very good but whoever edited the video together did a crappy job. Its really random, choppy, and the lighting and picture quality is all over the place. It is hard filming for a 5 minute PV but most of it is just...filler material :(

cttncandy 19th March 2008 02:25 AM

I liked it and the costumes were great and all but I just feel like it wasn't put together properly. All the right parts are there! they just needed to be arranged differently.

se7entheaven 19th March 2008 02:34 AM

when ayu tries something new
u guys expecting too much lol
always this way
haha
so what do u want to?
direct your own Mirrorcle World PV for ayu

se7entheaven 19th March 2008 02:42 AM

From the capes I know I'm gonna like it
everytime ayu always amaze me

Queen Bee 19th March 2008 02:45 AM

I personally really love the PV!

Kikaru 19th March 2008 02:56 AM

I liked the scene in the phone booth. Okay, the acting is a little odd, and I wish the glass broke. The PV has all the right parts, but the director just can't put them together well, so it just looks really...choppy.

I'm more reminded of Alterna feathers than Koda Kumi feathers, except alterna feathers was white...and there's also the jewel feathers...

But I really liked the view. Paris really is beautiful. (wishes she could go)

kotora 19th March 2008 03:14 AM

Guys in the PV looks hot, hope they are gay.

minna 19th March 2008 03:23 AM

I really liked it.
I just would like to know if all the ayus are different part of her personality or
just one ayu in different costumes
and if there is a kind of story

hiroshi_ben 19th March 2008 03:24 AM

the pv looks simple ad pretty disappointing to me...i was hoping for a more "special" and "darker" video since its a rock song and was filmed in paris...and there were too many ayus in it which made the whole video too complicating and not "dark"~

letthemeatcake 19th March 2008 03:25 AM

two words: ADORED IT! :yes

ayuholic 19th March 2008 03:33 AM

I think it's funny how people are freaking out over Ayu in the lingerie, which happened in about only three, one second scenes.

The PV was unique!
<3

Lumine 19th March 2008 03:34 AM

I was expected more from ayu =/

I think the PV is something like "oh see I'm in Paris yay!" coz she only show us some streets, The Eiffel Tower, etc.

And the beggining is something like '(don't) Leave me alone'

But I really like the song anyway ^^ so I'm happy (:

JimmyKoria 19th March 2008 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by letthemeatcake (Post 1378300)
two words: ADORED IT! :yes

My two words would be "ABORT IT" ;D

I do like that she stepped up the sexy big time. Even the huge red dress I found rather sexy. Usually huge dresses just come off as guady and ugly to me but she pulled it off. I dont know, this whole video just felt vain and shallow though. "I'm rich and instead of just wearing cute things in New York, I'm going to wear cute things in Paris!"

Ayu'Kiss 19th March 2008 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoObY (Post 1378103)
I see the link to A-BEST- 2 as well, I think this shot resembles the cover most:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_Q3jIwQ3m-UU/...0/bscap004.jpg

I thought so too.

mirrorcle world was very cool to me, although they could have better shots.
Ayu looked gorgeous, which is the most important thing xD

truehappiness 19th March 2008 03:53 AM

A fashion photographer did the PV, and it was his first one.

So I think this is an okay job, but it's still pretty bad. :o

Luv ~Venus~ 19th March 2008 03:57 AM

^I think it's a great job by him, so give him his props without critizing him at the end. Honestly, when will people be satisfied with Ayu puts out. I've really liked all the PVs that ayu has had for GUILTY. The album might have disappointed me but the PVs with the album were excellent, imo.

kotora 19th March 2008 03:58 AM

^ at least he tried and ayu gives him a trial.

Luv ~Venus~ 19th March 2008 03:58 AM

^Thank you! :clapclap The pV suited the song very well. I loved the PV from start to finish.

kotora 19th March 2008 03:59 AM

^ welcome. Seriously, those guys in this PV are hot, hope they are gay lol.

Jwiz 19th March 2008 04:06 AM

^ lol! Their actions are.

Disappointing and funny can describe this pv.

Disappointing as in this pv was shot in paris, so i was expecting it to be something bombastic and grand, but it ended up with people running along the streets aimlessly, some random shots and faint storyline/plot. This money could've been used to shoot a better pv. But since truehappiness had mentioned that the director is a first-timer..so i guess i ended up lowering my benchmark. The song was nice but the pv fails to push the song to a greater height.

Funny because of the guys..and don't worry there's no malice in my words. The guys seem to be following ayu without a purpose and the first few seconds which shows them running and hiding behind the pillars is funny because of the way they run. ummm the next funny part comes in when ayu is ''running'' away in her red puffy dress from the guys.

I liked ayu in all five outfits and IMO the red dress and the white one were the prominent ones. This pv could've been developed into a 007 pv like others had said..and in THAT case the lingerie scene will seem less random and the whole pv will be much better.

milky_way 19th March 2008 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1378354)
Honestly, when will people be satisfied with Ayu puts out.

Um, never. She's not gonna please everyone :/

Kikaru 19th March 2008 04:11 AM

The PV does seems to have more towards displaying fashion rather than a story, but with the director's fashion photo roots, I guess I'm not surprised.

Well, it's his first time directing...everyone have to start somewhere :P

PoetGirl 19th March 2008 04:11 AM

well.. hm...
her faces were too scary, like she is sick or somethin
it wasnt funny to me

but still i like the song, im not gonna watch video :D

~*Mabushii*~ 19th March 2008 04:14 AM

You know.. I think they just bleached her teeth and she's having problems fully closing her mouth because it feels strange. Her teeth look different to me.
After watching it again,
I can honestly say..

Screw it, I LOVE the PV

It's Ayu, She's there, she's happy, she's gonna BE there no matter what negative reporters and reports say (thats what _I'M_ thinking those guys are) no matter what she does, wears, thinks, acts, they'll try and find her.. She has the attitude and strength to keep going..

*shrugs* probably not what she wanted it to mean.. but I like it :D

Tarot Warrior 19th March 2008 04:26 AM

During the first part of the PV where you see those random guys in black running around and Ayu sings the verse part of the song in that trencoat and black gloves outfit, I thought this was going to be some sort of action/mystery/chase thingy like those Tintin or Spirou cartoons I read when I was a kid... both of which originate from France! Hell, the whole trench coat thing is not only very stylish (imo anyway) but just screams out a Tintin or Spirou-esque adventure!

But then it moved on to the feathers and the red dress, which looked equally pretty, but obviously didn't have much to do with the crime solving adventure I was hoping for. Oh well, at least the end with the telephone booth and the retro car went back to the feeling I was thinking the whole video was going for...

Come on Tintin, Spirou and/or slightly retro crime-solving story fans! I know I'm not alone in this!

ayuzlove 19th March 2008 04:32 AM

well..if i can know what's going on in the PV and the real meaning behind it...i will definitely love the pv more

s1012h 19th March 2008 04:37 AM

I think this is the only Ayu PV that I laughed at... sigh I'm too cruel haha
The song is great, but this is a step down from 80% of her PVs

sexysaucestar 19th March 2008 04:41 AM

And how exactly are you all measuring this PV? Against what other PV?

My first impression on Mirrorcle World PV:

She's fierce looking in the opening, which helped keep me drawn to the rest of the video. Granted, after watching it I realize that there wasn't much plot to it. Nonetheless, the fact that the PV was a fashion photographer's first time doing this kind of work, you have to give the guy some credit.

I saw the PV as a sort of "coming of age" of Ayu. Maybe it's her way of making a bridge over into being more of a grown woman, being known as a little more mature. After all, she IS turning 30 this year. She'll still probably do cute stuff, but I feel she is trying to also move on into the next phase of her life.

Ayu dressed in different outfits was perhaps a way of "reflecting" on different aspects of the coming years. Maybe that's how the PV relates to the lyrics. And yes, pun intended on the reflection reference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by milky_way (Post 1378380)
Um, never. She's not gonna please everyone :/

As Donny Deutsch said in his book "Often Wrong, Never in Doubt," you can't please everybody or else you pretty much end up failing.

KLJames 19th March 2008 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownsarai (Post 1377781)

haha, nice cap, that d part shocked me awhile HAHA... remind me of "Greatful days" pv where d pv suddenly shown ayu make "ghost face" :lech ..

ayuzlove 19th March 2008 04:47 AM

^ haha...her fierce look is really cute and funny :D

Jwiz 19th March 2008 04:49 AM

^ yea..this is getting more and more hilarious XD

Qsenwill 19th March 2008 05:08 AM

lol. have you noticed this style in the pv?
http://pic.yupoo.com/qsen/30334543f7ea/b6xtmtee.jpg
LMAO!!!

Luv ~Venus~ 19th March 2008 05:11 AM

^hehehehe She must have just finished filming the PV. That dress seems like the same dress that she wore in the PV.

JaysenRyan 19th March 2008 05:25 AM

See this PV was a total mess. She looked gorgeous but it had little to do with the energy of teh song. I can see this PV for a softer song, but not a great energetic song like Mirrorcle World.

My Idea for the PV : She would start off in a white world, with beautiful butterflies and flowers in white lingerie with blonde hair, and slowly as the song unfolds, the world start blackening, the butterflies turn into Crows, her lingerie slowly turns black, her hair turns slowly black, and by the bridge shes totally in the dark world, but then it shifts back and forth between white and black like shes struggling to fight the darkness.

And at the end during the last chorus shes dancing in a room with some of the dancers in white, and some in black, and she wearing a blac and white dres with black streaks in her blone hair. And its sort of like saying she accepts the light and dark in her life.

And during the ned part where its slow again she walks way with the new mix, and the world has both elements of light and dark in it, and the video fades out

stepho_chan 19th March 2008 05:31 AM

lol oh my god the lingerie XD HOT XD but yeah, i thought the music was a little too dynamic for what was going on in the video...but visually it was still an interesting one XD love the song too

SheFliesHigher 19th March 2008 05:38 AM

Yeah, so, why did she have to go all the way to France to film this? What a waste. I think it was pretty bad, and I didn't even like her outfits that much. Ayu made some insane facial expressions, and I honestly felt almost embarassed for her at times. Has anyone noticed, also, that she always seems to do the same things in the same order when the camera is focused on her face as she sings? She stares straight at you, lowers her chin a little, suddenly tosses her head back, puts her hand on the side of her face, slides it down...etc.

Yeah, it was the director's first time and everything, but I don't understand what the point is in making excuses for something of poor quality. There's another thread going on right now where people are justifying Ayu's strict, somewhat merciless attitude towards her dancers, because she is just trying to guarantee high quality performances. And yet some people here say "give her a break! you're never satisfied! blah!" as if she were some delicate flower...as if she herself wouldn't criticize her own work as hard as she could to make the product better. I MEAN COME ON NOW.

zoomzoom 19th March 2008 05:41 AM

^ I wouldn't say she always does those expressions, I haven't noticed them until don't leave me alone.


Anyway, I think it makes the pv somewhat more interesting having been followed by western fans.

The trench coat part was filmed on the 14th
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7357/14then1.jpg

The phonebooth part on the 15th
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1025/15thuu3.jpg

And the huge red dress on the 16th
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/472/16thna9.jpg

naxxo.licious™ 19th March 2008 05:41 AM

I don't care what people say. I LOVED it. It's S-E-X-Y.

Gosh lingerie ayu is.......*sorry i can't describe it cause it's against the rules LOL* I'm only going to say she looks astonishing.

The only creepy thing is the "feathers" ayu, though it really reminded of alterna.

Usually i prefer deep and thoughtfull PV's, but when i can see ayu with these breathe-taking outfits and real backgrounds (not the artifical ones we use to see), i'm satisified *gosh, more than satisfied*

Quote:

Originally Posted by soysaucestar (Post 1378413)
And how exactly are you all measuring this PV? Against what other PV?

My first impression on Mirrorcle World PV:

She's fierce looking in the opening, which helped keep me drawn to the rest of the video. Granted, after watching it I realize that there wasn't much plot to it. Nonetheless, the fact that the PV was a fashion photographer's first time doing this kind of work, you have to give the guy some credit.

I saw the PV as a sort of "coming of age" of Ayu. Maybe it's her way of making a bridge over into being more of a grown woman, being known as a little more mature. After all, she IS turning 30 this year. She'll still probably do cute stuff, but I feel she is trying to also move on into the next phase of her life.

Ayu dressed in different outfits was perhaps a way of "reflecting" on different aspects of the coming years. Maybe that's how the PV relates to the lyrics. And yes, pun intended on the reflection reference.

My heroine! :shughug


Kodayumi 19th March 2008 05:47 AM

I love it, especially the phone booth part. :D

But its kinda different from what I think. I thought it would be full of butterflies lol XD

Luther10 19th March 2008 05:50 AM

PV could have been so much better. I rather have Ayu only in the raincoat/hat and run all over Paris chased by those men for the whole song. And everytime she passes over a mirror(maybe just some surface with reflection, like store windows...), she gets transported to another locale in Paris. That would be so much more interesting...
Anyway PV is OK...

bluegie 19th March 2008 06:18 AM

Well, it's filmed in Paris, and she had different outfits/hairstyles/make ups. Probly I won't say it's a waste. We dunno what Japanese people think, so probly they think this pv is wonderful. Honestly I think she should include a bit more plots inside...

But running over Paris, chased by men again isn't a great idea. If she did that I would think she's doing another Dearest pv...

qwerty 19th March 2008 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MemorialAddress08 (Post 1377897)
It was her best PV in a while.
But.
She waited a bit too long to decide to be sexy.
I mean, come on. Be sexy at age 23 or whatever. Not 30.
I'm not buying the whole SEXY! image at all, since the Ayu I love is just. . . Ayu.

And AYU is not some sexy J-pop singer, she's just her own person :)

:rolleyes I'm sorry, but 30 is NOT old. That's just silly to say.

And the PV has grown on me. It wasn't what I expected at first, but it's not bad for the director's first job.

Quote:

Originally Posted by soysaucestar (Post 1378413)
And how exactly are you all measuring this PV? Against what other PV?

My first impression on Mirrorcle World PV:

She's fierce looking in the opening, which helped keep me drawn to the rest of the video. Granted, after watching it I realize that there wasn't much plot to it. Nonetheless, the fact that the PV was a fashion photographer's first time doing this kind of work, you have to give the guy some credit.

I saw the PV as a sort of "coming of age" of Ayu. Maybe it's her way of making a bridge over into being more of a grown woman, being known as a little more mature. After all, she IS turning 30 this year. She'll still probably do cute stuff, but I feel she is trying to also move on into the next phase of her life.

Ayu dressed in different outfits was perhaps a way of "reflecting" on different aspects of the coming years. Maybe that's how the PV relates to the lyrics. And yes, pun intended on the reflection reference.

Soy, you rock. :thumbsup That's a really cool way of looking at the PV, and I can see what you mean. :yes

WillofDusk 19th March 2008 06:22 AM

Well I've once thought of the pv filled with all the butterflies and mirrors and stuff. But those would ruin the whole Paris-y feeling.
The PV really turns the focus on Ayu and her costumes were so beautiful.
I like how the setting was edited to be pale but it'd be better if they had enhanced the colour of the red dress. It looked so beautiful in those fan pictures

polka-dot-jewel 19th March 2008 06:24 AM

I'm not quite sure what to think of it. :-/ I mean, she looked super pretty in this video! Other than that, I really didn't get it. I mean, there were these guys who were "chasing" her (yet the chase scene was only for, like, 10 seconds, and then they were surrounding her suddenly), and she was standing around, dancing...eeehhh. I'll watch it again later, but right now, it's borderline good / bad for me.

Now that I think about it, I kinda did like it. I mean, I loved the "woah, yeah yeah yeah yeah" part. And I liked her dancing in the red dress. Her walking in the coat was okay, but I loved the close-up shots of her face...it sort of reminded me of the "alterna" PV.

Love Appears 19th March 2008 06:41 AM

This PV deserves more credit than most have been giving it. I thought it was absolutely great and interesting. Not her best, but far from her worst. IMO, there are -many- previous releases that were more disappointing. One-shot PVs like Daybreak, or Humming 7/4. Ones with only dancing, such as (don't) leave me alone.

The different Ayus definitely represent something. I got a Matrix-like vibe. My boyfriend, who posts under the name "Idealist" here, has a very fascinating analysis about the plot, which he is just about to post himself. ;)

Whereas something like JEWEL was just eye candy, this is eye candy, and it's interesting. One thing we discovered was the lingerie Ayu was looking at herself in a mirror! (Look closely -- there is a frame around this scene.)


BTW I think the lyrics of this song also contribute a lot. For those of you who aren't enjoying it, try using subtitles.

bluegie 19th March 2008 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty (Post 1378534)
:rolleyes I'm sorry, but 30 is NOT old. That's just silly to say.

Well MemorialAddress08's only 17 (if you look at her profile). She will need several years to understand that 30 is not old at all. Just like now I think 40 is a bit old, but when I'm hitting that age about 12 years later, I will have a different point of view.

Back to the pv.. yeah this one is pretty chaotic. I have to read the lyric translation, so I may understand what's going on in the pv :D.

naxxo.licious™ 19th March 2008 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Love Appears (Post 1378550)
This PV deserves more credit than most have been giving it. I thought it was absolutely great and interesting. Not her best, but far from her worst. IMO, there are -many- previous releases that were more disappointing. One-shot PVs like Daybreak, or Humming 7/4. Ones with only dancing, such as (don't) leave me alone.

The different Ayus definitely represent something. I got a Matrix-like vibe. My boyfriend, who posts under the name "Idealist" here, has a very fascinating analysis about the plot, which he is just about to post himself. ;)

Whereas something like JEWEL was just eye candy, this is eye candy, and it's interesting. One thing we discovered was the lingerie Ayu was looking at herself in a mirror! (Look closely -- there is a frame around this scene.)


BTW I think the lyrics of this song also contribute a lot. For those of you who aren't enjoying it, try using subtitles.

BRAVO!!

I totally agree with you. This PV doesn't deserve all the things people are saying about it.

Not every single PV has to have deep-as-hell meanings. I know we always expect that from ayu, but i think having a glamorous PV every once in a while doesn't hurt anyone

Endless_RAINBOW 19th March 2008 06:50 AM

In general terms... I liked it. It's a good PV but it could have been so much better. The song deserved more than she just walking through Paris with those fancy clothes. She looks great in the room's scene, but we almost can't see it, too short. Her last look is the worst IMO, she looks kind of old... (guess what? I didn't like the covers either). I'm.... not happy but... OK with the video. But even though it's good, I was expecting for something so much better. At least, the song is really good, it's growing on me really fast (guess what again, I didn't like "Mirror"). Well, good job ayu, now, I'm wating for your next move.

ladytaboo 19th March 2008 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty (Post 1378534)
And the PV has grown on me. It wasn't what I expected at first, but it's not bad for the director's first job.

I didn't find the PV to be too bad when I first saw it, but it has also grown on me more after watching it again a couple times. It's gone from being not bad to being actually kinda good.

Ayu running in the red dress still makes me lol though. I'm kinda wondering if maybe that was suppose to be funny.

Neo Daydream 19th March 2008 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guilty_me (Post 1378486)
Gosh lingerie ayu is.......*sorry i can't describe it cause it's against the rules LOL* I'm only going to say she looks astonishing.

grrrrr....
Quote:

Originally Posted by guilty_me (Post 1378486)

The only creepy thing is the "feathers" ayu, though it really reminded of alterna.

those are my fav scenes! >.<
Quote:

Originally Posted by guilty_me (Post 1378486)

Usually i prefer deep and thoughtfull PV's, but when i can see ayu with these breathe-taking outfits and real backgrounds (not the artifical ones we use to see), i'm satisified *gosh, more than satisfied*

I do appreciate the real backgrounds but...
i was expecting alot more from this PV.
I pretty much NEVER say anything negative about Ayu...
BUT
I don't like skanky Ayu.
If I wanted to see that, I'd watch Koda Kumi or some whorish American artist lol

also, I think i hate this director lol the shots were horrible... i hear he was a fashion photographer? well, he should stay there. or learn and then shoot a big-time pv for a big-time artist!

I think Ayu seemed a bit akward cuz the angles and editing were really poorly executed >.<

i've only watched it twice so hopefully it'll grow on me... *shrugs*

hiroshi_ben 19th March 2008 07:06 AM

frankly speaking,the solo part of ayu with those weird nails and hairstyle and the part when shes in those lingerie can be removed...and the phone booth part can be either shift to the beginning part or somewhere in between...if its the director's first time for creating a PV,i can understand it...hope he will come out with more impressive PV next time round....

milky_way 19th March 2008 07:07 AM

After watching the PV a few more times, it's still not my favorite, but I'm not as "WTF?" as I was before :yes

zoomzoom 19th March 2008 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Daydream (Post 1378587)
I don't like skanky Ayu.

I don't think there was anything skanky about it imo. It was actually quite tasteful. Also the way she looked kinda sad in those scenes.

truehappiness 19th March 2008 07:11 AM

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ayu_DIVA-1.gif

That is seriously fierce.


The PV imo looks like she got together with a fashion photographer to shoot an awesome YouTube video to her song. :O

naxxo.licious™ 19th March 2008 07:13 AM

@Neo: lolololol

Well, i didn't find ayu skanky at all, i just found her sexy. I usually prefer cute ayu, but i like this PV screams "I'm almost 30 and i'm way sexier than you, you and you lil girls"

And after watching it 5 times in a row, yeah, i've come to like the feathers ayu

Spoiler:
Though still nothing compares to lingerie ayu :S


Kaiouforever 19th March 2008 07:13 AM

This is one of my favorite PVs from her. She showed herself to be fierce, beautiful, and ready to tackle another year in the music business, stronger than ever. I think the PV matched the song perfectly, especially with the lyrics and the beat of the song.

Great job Ayu! =]

truehappiness 19th March 2008 07:14 AM

Lingerie Ayu imo is very sexy, but tame. Kinda like Pole Dancing Ayu from 1 LOVE.

She doesn't need to have sexual positions/suggestive sex to look sexy, and I think that's a good thing. XD

milky_way 19th March 2008 07:17 AM

Even after seeing the 1 LOVE PV and seeing her in lingerie, I'm still not able to find Ayu sexy. She'll always be just cute to me :/

henrydawg87 19th March 2008 07:22 AM

I almost fainted when I saw Mirrorcle World.
It was like drugs for the eyes.
She was so hot.
Overacting?
I guess.
Maybe.
Whatever.
I bought the single.
I love the song and the video.
Ayumi Hamasaki is my queen for life.
I'm happy she's still singing.
I hope you guys are too.

Neo Daydream 19th March 2008 07:22 AM

ok.. i guess "skanky" doesn't have the same meaning for all of us.
for me, "skanky" is anything suggestive. including skimpy outfits.

Girls that flaunt their "goodies" piss me off.
no one needs to see that.
and you can't unsee anything.
*personal convictions*

carry on w/ the discussion lol

doesn't it seem like the PV is Ayu saying "******* you!" to someone??

truehappiness 19th March 2008 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milky_way (Post 1378607)
Even after seeing the 1 LOVE PV and seeing her in lingerie, I'm still not able to find Ayu sexy. She'll always be just cute to me :/

Yeah, that'll happen with some people. It's kinda like how people still think Koda is cute and innocent when she's humping a bottle and wearing no pants to a live performance. :)

milky_way 19th March 2008 07:24 AM

^ Fortunately, I'm not one of those people :P

Luv ~Venus~ 19th March 2008 07:31 AM

Hmm...well, I thought Ayu looked sexy but super sexy like most are making it out to be. I really don't fine cute in Ayu. I can't say how she really looks to me but it's definitely not cute. It goes the same for Koda Kumi. Many say she's HAWT/SEXY...etc. but I really can't see that. :no I guess it's because I'mma gurl. The only asian woman that deserves to be call "sexy" is Namie Amuro. She definitely PWNS Ayu and Kuu. The only asian woman that deserves to be called "cute" is BoA. She definitely, definitely, definitely PWNS Ai Otsuka. <~For the life of me, I don't uderstand how people can even call her cute.

naxxo.licious™ 19th March 2008 07:31 AM

@Neo: everyone has the right to have their own opinions, so don't feel bad about it.

I repeat, imo, it wasn't skanky. It was more of a DIVA attitude (i love diva ayu :luv2), and it was....fashion. Just as the director

@truehappiness: yeah i get what you're saying. She's prove to be very sexy, without having to be on lingerie. Anyway i still love the way it looks on this PV

truehappiness 19th March 2008 07:32 AM

Quote:

I guess it's because I'mma gurl and a guy.
-_-;


Ayu acting Tyra-fierce is so amazing. She needs a talkshow again.

Tyra-fierce is defined as:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/159/9998886rq8.gif
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5511/4r98p39em4.gif
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3...rmu2vk2ul8.gif

Ayu acting Tyra-fierce:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ayu_DIVA-1.gif

milky_way 19th March 2008 07:34 AM

I don't think Namie is sexy either :( But she's closer to it than Ayu IMO.

Luv ~Venus~ 19th March 2008 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1378622)
-_-;


Ayu acting Tyra-fierce is so amazing. She needs a talkshow again.

It was a typo silly.

I can't stand Tyra anymore. She's disrespectful and make too much of a deal about nothing. Ugh, I can't for the life of me understand why people are calling her the next "Oprah". NO ONE CAN REPLACE OPRAH! :wtf

Neo Daydream 19th March 2008 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1378622)
-_-;


Ayu acting Tyra-fierce is so amazing. She needs a talkshow again.

haha yes!

everytime i hear "fierce" my mind goes straight to Tyra! lol

I think Tyra on Ayuready? or Ayu on Tyra's show would be so awesome!
can you see the spiritual battle of their inner divas? lol
Ayu would PWN Tyra without even trying! lol

P.S.
Spoiler:
I can't stand OPRAH!!! >.< she is evil and she must be destroyed! lol

naxxo.licious™ 19th March 2008 07:41 AM

*i don't know who's Tyra.................T________T*

Ayu can be sexier than Namie imo, but she usually acts in a cuter way.

The main problem is that none of us can forget the young ayu, nor can we forget her singing songs like "HONEY" or "Beautiful Fighters" *all-time classics*, so sexy ayu tends to confuse people.

Luv ~Venus~ 19th March 2008 07:44 AM

Neo, what a great MADtv reference! :roflmao

@guilty: Tyra was a skinny madel who quit that business a few years ago to go on two gain lots of weight and host her own crappy show.

milky_way 19th March 2008 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1378622)

WTH? O_O

truehappiness 19th March 2008 07:46 AM

I couldn't find the original. :<

milky_way 19th March 2008 07:49 AM

LOL It's funny :laugh

I wish I watched more TV so I could comment on the Tyra vs. Oprah issue :(

truehappiness 19th March 2008 07:57 AM

It's definitely a good thing that Ayu's lyrics actually mean something. :D~

milky_way 19th March 2008 07:59 AM

Wow, that was an interesting read :yes *goes to watch the PV again*

Love Appears 19th March 2008 08:00 AM

:roflmao:smitten:clapclap

Heh. I told him he was insane(ly genius).

Neo Daydream 19th March 2008 08:01 AM

AWESOME analysis, Idealist.

Thanks alot! ^^

FoObY 19th March 2008 08:16 AM

You single-handedly changed most people's views about this PV. Very impressive :D

It would be even more effective if the environment was shot in a slight tint of green instead of blue. In the movie, the alternate dimension was shot in tints/shades of green to reflect the artificial electronic world, whereas the real world was shot in blue. In that sense, the PV's color scheme would contradict the connection to The Matrix, but I agree with everything else for the most part.

qwerty 19th March 2008 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Love Appears (Post 1378653)
:roflmao:smitten:clapclap

Heh. I told him he was insane(ly genius).

:D Your boyfriend wrote a fantastic analysis! It was something close to soy's comments that the Ayus represent different aspects relating to Ayu. It made the PV much clearer to me, and it's very well thought-out. Great job, Idealist! :thumbsup

majrakun 19th March 2008 08:26 AM

At the beginning it sort of reminded of "Pride" PV...because she was walking..and ONLY walking, while singing the song. I don't know, I don't really find the "wow" factor in it. But still, she looks pretty, and I like looking at her in the lingerie-ish outfit, pity it wasn't shown that much! Also her in the phone booth...*ideas rushing in*

EDIT: I just read the analysis. Hahaha, awesooome! This is why we need interpretors for every Ayu PV. It changes our minds. XD Man, Ayu, you just had to create complicated videos for us..to stimulate our minds?

bondingo 19th March 2008 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Neo Daydream (Post 1378587)
I don't like skanky Ayu.
If I wanted to see that, I'd watch Koda Kumi or some whorish American artist lol

Wow, you're very close minded. Since when does wearing lingerie (and in a tasteful manner, might I add), make someone a skank?

Tasked 19th March 2008 08:33 AM

Idealist, you are awesome! I said in this thread that there is some weird perfect relation between Ayu's lyrics, the instruments/effects used and the video clip. And you explained exactly what I meant by that! Thanks a whole lot for taking the time! This video is extremely good

zoomzoom 19th March 2008 08:39 AM

idealist, very interesting and clever analysis and interpretation combined with her lyrics. It does make you wonder if the PV is really that random.

However, as clever as it is, I can't help but wonder if you're bringing sense out of nonsense. It's like sometimes when I have to do a philosophical analysis of a book, poem or whatever.. sometimes I just think "you know, what if the writer was just writing nonsense crap, thinking that people might get all sorts of meanings and sense out of it anyway".

I do hope you saw what they intended people to see though, that certainly brings the PV to a whole new level.

bondingo 19th March 2008 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by zoomzoom (Post 1378695)
However, as clever as it is, I can't help but wonder if you're bringing sense out of nonsense. It's like sometimes when I have to do a philosophical analysis of a book, poem or whatever.. sometimes I just think "you know, what if the writer was just writing nonsense crap, thinking that people might get all sorts of meanings and sense out of it anyway".

I ALWAYS think the same thing when I have to analyze poems and books. That's so funny that you feel the same way.

I hope idealist's brilliant explanation is what the PV was actually intended to be, because it's fantastically deep and powerful. It really makes the video perhaps her deepest yet. I loved it from the first view though.

Ayumiko 19th March 2008 08:45 AM

I hope somebody will sub the pv so I can watch it with the lyrics...maybe I will like the pv more after.

truehappiness 19th March 2008 08:47 AM

Love Appears actually subbed it.

The subs are softsubs though.. they're in the download thread I think or this one..?

Love Appears 19th March 2008 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayumiko (Post 1378704)
I hope somebody will sub the pv so I can watch it with the lyrics...maybe I will like the pv more after.

I provided subs in this post. ;)

zoomzoom 19th March 2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bondingo (Post 1378700)
I ALWAYS think the same thing when I have to analyze poems and books. That's so funny that you feel the same way.

Haha, I said that to other people and they were like "what are you talking about :shakehead"

The analysis made me like the PV even more, though I liked it from the beginning.

ayuzlove 19th March 2008 09:02 AM

OMG...Idealist...thats some excellent interpretations of the pV!! no wonder ayu said in Team Ayu Postings 2/23/08 that the music video will be very cool...now i finally understand the meaning :yes

WillofDusk 19th March 2008 09:16 AM

Idealist is my new HERO XD

I LOVE THE PV even more and now it doesnt have the weird factor in it anymore :P

I loved it at the moment I saw it but the analysis just made it better

bluegie 19th March 2008 09:34 AM

Gosh Idealist you're so great! I hope I have a brain like you :yes.

About the ayu being shanky/sexy issue... I'm bad at explaining stuff, but I think ayu has come to a moment that she wanna change her mind, the way she things, etc. Everyone must have been encountering these changes once in awhile. Like she used to think she should always update her image, to bring out the trend while in her early career. Then, she wanna focus on her music, being a more serious artist.

So... now she shows herself wearing that kind of lingerie, revealing her boobs out. But these don't necessarily mean she tries to be sexy. Rather, I think she's trying to be soon-to-be 30 yr old ayu, another stage of her life..

OK... I dun even know what I'm writing.. I know what I'm thinking but I just can't write it out.. LMAO.. :P

FoObY 19th March 2008 09:50 AM

I think the lingerie she wears is rather more conservative in comparison to other artists who maintain a sexual image. I prefer to think of it as sensual and passionate rather than skanky.

Choyan 19th March 2008 09:58 AM

wow lol.... thanks Idealist! your analysis really pulled my thoughts together, I did think about one or two points you mentioned but definitely didn't see it all the way you did but anyway,

It's a pretty interesting PV imo, those high heels were high, 7-8'' ? lol o-o

a few things I want so say too,
the way they displayed the text... doesn't it sorta remind you of something computer-ly? (such as The Matrix 'pro gramme' thing?) it sorta has this "Enter" feeling to it as the words disappear, like... "entering the world" or how a game finishes loading and you get into the game?


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