Okay then?

Well, however you feel about it, it's not gonna stop Ayu from choosing his task-interludes / compositions in the future. So, you're gonna just have to deal.

It definitely says something about his integrity, that he as a composer, who doesn't even compose that often for her, stole someones composition. That's like a painter knocking off another painting and then claim it his or a writer copying a story and then claim it his. Come on, it's your job, how about doing it. He got payed for something he didn't compose, that just sucks.

I'm just saying that I agree with zoomzoom, I was a little irked as well to see the "OMG HE'S BACK" comments, and also the "well, he copied off a no-name group so no one cares" =/ It may not seem like a big deal, but it really is =/...

Anyway, arranging is fine with me though, I just hope GREEN doesn't change too much XP I'm quite fond of it already~ But, if Ayu likes it so much, then I'm sure it'll be awesome, I hope it leaks out soon~

Well zoomzoom, I see what you're saying, but we're talking about the legendary tasuku here, generally known for his cutting-edge arrangements. People probably would have made a bigger deal if it was HAL that copied something, just because most fans are disappointed with their current work and would love to find a reason to hate them.

Well, the reason why people are like "YES HE'S BACK" is because he's an awesome arranger who brings something new to the table with his unique arrangements.

I mean, for the most part, AHS members probably don't know about the whole taskinst / Don't Tell Me issue and either have known about it somehow and don't care, or they're extremely blind so as to not see it because "Ayu doesn't copy." to them. Whatever the case is, it's obvious that this is being made a bigger deal of that it should be and in the long run, "boycotting" tasuku isn't going to do anything. Like, if someone didn't point out the whole relation between taskinst and Don't Tell Me on YouTube or whatever, would any of us be talking about it right now?

I've got two words for you and zoomzoom.. GROW UP! :irked (the other two words are "Shut up")

:vbhappy YAAAAAY!!

That doesn't make it ok, then we just wouldn't know about it, so of course we wouldn't say anything. If any other song is a rip off, we don't say anything because we don't know.

I think you should direct that back at yourself.

I'm just tired of you complaining about something so small.. That's all.. Just get over it!! If it's not a big deal, then you shouldn't make it seem like it! >P

...It doesn't change the fact that he copied whether we know it or not. It's a fact, he copied. He did something composers should never do, and I think it'd be stupid to let him compose again. It's an integrity and respect issue. He made a huge error, and it's not something that should be just ignored. Let him arrange all he wants, but don't let him compose.

People make mistakes.. Ok? Stop pointing out the mistake and move on! :eviltongu

Well, I hate to say it but CREA has been linked to stealing melodies as well. =/

The intro of Free & Easy "sampled" a song completely without any form of credit given.

There's even debate on 2ch and on many Japanese sites that Ayu steals phrases and lyrics from other lyricists.

It's bound to happen sometimes, whether intentional or not.

Just be thankful Ayu doesn't work with Korean producers. =X

I was his job to compose an interlude, and instead he copied someone else's song, and got paid for it. It's a huge deal, it's not a mistake, you can't "mistakenly" take someone's composition.

Like I said, let him arrange all he wants, but it'd be unfair to let him compose. What about the guy who composed what tasuku ripped off? How do you think he or she would feel if they knew their song was ripped off and billed as someone else's work. How would you feel if something you worked hard on was taken by someone else and had their name on it? It's just not right.

ayu probably doesn't know herself that tasuku got his composition from another song >_<

If 2ch and such sites like it say that CREA stole anything then it must be a lie lol they hate her there like there's no tomorrow.

^That was my original comment on tasuku. If she doesn't know, it's just horrible because she will be accused of ripping off, a person with no originality or creativity. It is in her name after all.

I understand where you're coming from... It's just that HE might of not known that it was someone else's compositions when he made it!! I also hate it when people start arguments and keep beating it.. The topic itself already died ages ago and yet, people keep beating a dead topic.. So please drop it.. D: I'm actually looking forward to GREEN. :dead2

Exactly my point. It's her name that gets hurt, not tasuku's. tasuku compose(read: rips off) for taskinist, get's paid, and then sits back because the release doesn't have his name on it, it has someone else's. Then it's Ayu who takes the fall for her composer.

No, there's some semi-truth to what 2ch is saying.. not about lyrics, but melodies.

Apparently there's a classical piece of music that Free & Easy took from, and Will which is CREA+DAI isn't exactly "100%" original according to some..

Yes, Ayu's gonna take the fall for a release that came out almost 2 years ago that no one's really talking about [except for here and the YouTube video.] Face it, there's nothing that Ayu has to face because of this and there's no reason for you to say that Ayu is going to be "judged harshly" or anything of that sort because frankly, it's been two years. If something was going to have been done about it, it would've been done already.

EDIT: I just thought about something.. is it possible that tasuku and Hoobastank are both guilty of having taken the melody from elsewhere? It's farfetched, but it's possible..

How users can know that CREA+DAI isn't really 100% CREA+DAI?
They must've been in the composing steps of the song =P lol

Unless if you meant that they claim that both of them stole something which makes it even more ridiculous.

It still happened. What part of that does no one get? It happened, it's there, it doesn't go away, it doesn't disappear. Tasuku copied, tasuku sullied his name as a composer. It doesn't matter who you copy from, whether they're incredibly famous or they're no-names who no one cares about, the fact is: you copied. He took credit for someone else's effort, and let her put her name on it. Who's to say it won't happen again if she lets him compose again? I know we don't have a choice, and I know there's nothing we can do, but it's not something that can just be swept under the rug like nothing happened. It's a mark that will never go away, it's a mark that's shameful. If it became completely public, do you think tasuku would still have the reputation he has now? Do you think nothing would change =/?

Well, some have stated that it stole the melody from an anime movie's BGM.

Nothing will change. It's been public for a while now [well as public as public can get with AHS talking about it and a YouTube video.] and nothing's happened.

And tbh, for people to get in your face about it, you have to be as high-profile as Timbaland, which tasuku isn't even 1/10th as popular/well-known as..

Yes, it is. You could just ignore it, you know. Just like people ignored the familiarity between Tetsuya Yukumi's walking proud and KinKi Kids' Angel, or like Ai Otsuka's -insert happy song here- compared to some video game BGM..

Wow I didn't know tasuku copied someone's work :(
Good thing he doesn't compose often... taskinst was one of my favorite interludes too. I don't think Ayu knows about this but someone should tell her so they can be sure nothing like this happens again :(

I'd hate to see her end up like Lee Hyo Lee with the whole copy from Britney Spears thing ><; yikes!

COME ON! 2 seconds sound the same (and I'm sure it's the same with that GREEN thing) and CREA+DAI stole?

Ugh, those people. They have no respect.

In all honesty, the users that are making it out to be a big deal are making it more than it is.

It's highly possible that the "music box sound" is part of some vast library of sounds used by arrangers and such.. but the entire feeling of the song is very grunge-y and a lot like the so-called "original" one.. but eh. I hope to see a tasuku composition in the future now.

taskinist is a full blown melodic rip off though =/... It's different than eerily similar choruses. If it was public, he wouldn't be back. Therefore, it can be assumed that his folly isn't known to Ayu or avex, and likely to hoobstank either =/...

If Timbaland can get away with it, I'm pretty sure that tasuku can get away with it.

In the Asian pop scene, I don't think it's dealt with as heavily as it is in the American one.. like, sure, your company can totally suspend you for plagiarizing someone's literary work COMPLETELY (see Natsumi Abe) but in the realm of music, it seems like they let a lot of things pass.

I mean just look at all the stuff that happens in Korea and no one really does anything about it. (musically and in terms of image)

What's the name of the original song? I'll have to look it up and listen for myself.

Here is the video that brought it to everyone's attention. (I remember finding it on YouTube a day or so after it was posted and thinking "Wha? Eh? Eh. -posts on AHS-" The song is called "Don't Tell Me".

Oh Jeez I didn't know it was THAT bad O_O.... That is the definition of "copy" :( I could think of a million ways he could have made it sound "similar" and not copied if he liked it that much. I don't think it was an accident or a mistake either. There's no way you can make up something and it just happens to sound exactly like another composition! >,<;

I mean the whole kiki/will thing and GREEN/chinese song (can't remember the name) thing have similarities, but there is no excuse for taskinst.

I think it's a big deal as far as his integrity is concerned, but I don't think Ayu will get flamed by this, cause she pretty much had nothing to do with the song, there weren't even lyrics. It's just sad that, like others have said, her name is on it :(

I'd hate to think if Avex/Ayu found out he would be totally fired, cause he does make awesome arrangements.... I think if they don't let him compose, or check up on his future compositions, it'll be okay.

This is true.. for the most part. But his name is on it as well [task(tasuku)inst].

I mean people on YouTube blame Ayu for it but, I'm sure they don't know wtf they're talking about. lol.

I've been trying to look for any information about it, like if anyone else other than here / YouTube knows about it (or even cares about it for that matter).. and it seems like.. no one does. lol. I tried "浜崎 あゆみ フーバスタンク taskinst タスク tasuku don't tell me and so on" and nothing came up.

If any of you want to check on his other compositions to see if he's plagiarized for those that he also composed for.. go ahead.

http://www.tearbridge.com/works/mana...or/tasuku.html

The compositions are labeled with 作曲 next to them.

I hope it stays quiet then! And if it is exposed, I hope they place the blame on him and not Ayu. I mean if no one seems to know or care about this, how could she know? I'm still disappointed in him, but that doesn't change how I feel about other songs he's worked on. And I'm still excited for GREEN :)

Well. GREEN and the chinese song isnt that much alike imo. Yes the firs notes are the same but the rest isnt. GREEN goes up in the end of the first sentense while the chinese song goes down.

Anyway, this tasuku interlude from secret is extreme. But these kind of things happends. Its like Pride and Crucified. Soooo alike. Then we have a veeery good example from this years ESC (eurovision song contest) where switzerland came with a song that the singer (according to himself) had wrote by himself but that song was exaclty like a song that was huge in Sweden 2 years ago sung by a swedish girl named Amy Diamond. I mean the verse, chours, bridge, everything was exaklty the same!

Actually, I think composers can compose very similar songs without even be aware of it. Maybe they heard the song somewhere witouth taking notice of it. And one day they woke up with the melody in their head and wrote it out. I think that is highly possible. I mean, that guy from switzerland simply MOST have heard Amys song without taking notice of it cuz its just so exaklty.

But well, like I said before, I dont think GREEN (from the little part we have heard of it) and the chinese song doesnt sound that much alike. Sure the first notes but then, no.

Well, this is something that I think that if it ever does come up, it wouldn't be made a big deal of anyway. I mean, like I said before, Secret came out in 2006. If it hasn't been 'revealed' to Ayu / avex / anyone, it's probably never going to be..

I wonder if tasuku would be like "WHAT THAT'S THE SAME AS MY-- wtf?" if we told him about it. lol.

Random songs:
tasuku's "Kasumi" composed for 369:


tasuku's 帰り道 composed for 369:


His sound is very indies.

Well, the guy from switzerland got just like that when some swedish journalist played Amys song for him in ESC. :P So why not? ;)

Hahahaha yeah, maybe it came to him in his sleep while someone was playing it and when he woke up he was like "EUREKA!!!" Then come to find out, it belongs to hoobastank xD; LOL

It's very unlikely that two totally separate entities can come up with the same melody or w/e, but it's possible..

Maybe tasuku is a long lost twin brother of the lead singer of hoobastank, isn't he half Japanese? Twins often think alike, right? lol Wouldn't that be insane if it were true hahaha

Well, obviously the guy from switzerland could. He got really nervous when the swedish played Amys song to him. I almost got sad for him cuz he was so proud that he had writen the song all by himself. But they are exaklty like each other. Every note in the whole songs. Crazy!

I did say it was possible, it's just VERY uncommon.

I know sometimes when I think of things that I feel are my own, I sadly find out they're not xD; Sometimes great minds think exactly alike hahaha

Yeah, it was that I meant. I mean, when these kind of things happends, they simply must have heard it without taking notice of it and then just woke up with the melody all done. Weird really. :P

I hope that's all it was, it would make me feel better about it. But only tasuku knows the truth.

I don't know what the rest of you are hearing, but there are note differences everywhere. The guitar chords are different, the intro notes are SIMILAR, but not the same, and the songs are even in completely different keys. The arrangement might be almost the same, but the composition is not.

A change in a few notes don't make a difference, the beat is the same, the guitar intro is the same, the music box sound is the same, it's exactly the same in my opinion xD;

Beats have been sounding the same in music for decades now, and the music box is not at all the same, because the intro to their song isn't a music box, it's more synth. I think people are just nitpicking.

No, it really is very much the same. Only of course sounding a bit different due to the use of different instruments, etc.

Seriously, you guys all need to stop arguing over the tasking-hoobastank thing. There's already a thread for it. Take it there.

Wow, I can't believe you are telling someone who doesn't like the fact that someone who makes their living as a composer and arranger blatantly copied someone else's song to grow up....

I really think that all the copying accusations for Ayu's stuff are usually just coincidence or people thinking too hard (such as with Green), but the taskinst one is really concrete and undebatable imo. You should never pass of someone elses work as your own, especially if you are making money off of it.

Amen :innocent

It's definitely concrete, but I think that there could be circumstances here that we don't know.. like we have no idea how he came up with his melody, or if he's even heard the Hoobastank album before.. personally, I think it should be laid to rest, since it's a topic that I don't think anyone likes talking about.

edit: Can a moderator move all of these posts to the taskinst thread? I mean, they're basically the same comments as the ones already there, but eh.

I believed that at first, but I thought that all of Hoobastank's works are generally composed/arranged by the same group of people.. at least, that's according to their Billboard site for the album.

That IS strange that the booklet doesn't say anything though..

Sorry... The reason I said that was because I was tired of them complain about this crap over and over again! I'm sorry that I offended some people. D:

Did someone check if in the booklet they mention or credited hoobastank?

I am too lazy to open all my ayumi stuff, anywhere never mind i'll check

Edit: I just checked. Shame on you Tasuku.

Idealist brought up a good point.

Hoobastank and Ayu's recording staff are somewhat connected in one of the "6 degree" sort of ways..

It's highly possible that tasuku shared compositions with Hoobastank AND Ayu..

^That's really bad.

How is that bad? It's far from bad. It's GREAT, because it means that it's tasuku's work to begin with, so he can do w/e he wants.

[Sure, people might get all riled up like here at AHS, but eh. Whatever. Just because it's not a personally acknowledged "cover that isn't really a cover"... doesn't mean that it's bad]

After reading this thread I went to the nearest CD rental shop to see if that Hoobastank album is available here in Japan. Not only is it available, but the booklet clearly labels the music as being written by two of the band members. Tasuku didn't write this song unless "Tasuku" is a pseudonym for a member of Hoobastank. I'm pretty shocked that it isn't a big scandal here since both albums are readily available, but that must just mean that Japan doesn't care very much. :rolleyes

^I think if it had been a vocal song, there would have been one. Tasuku probably picked it that way so no one would make a huge fuss over it.

I dunno, if it was a vocal song, it wouldn't have had the same impact imo.

I mean, Ayu changes interludes to songs when she sees it fit..

I don't even think most japanese people know about Hoobastank...
Or really care. Ayumi is loved, even though she is having a rough times, and Hoobstank... just really, I didn't even know about them until I saw this scandal. =\ And honestly, because Ayumi and Hoobastank are two completely different sounds, like genre wise, I don't think people expect it.

And billboard site clearly says composer for Don't Tell Me song is one of the band members, so that's not really possible for task to be the composer and arranger, like TakaSama said.

The only part that's similar in the songs is the opening, the music box like thingie. But I mean, it's entirely possible, but probably not the truth, that taskinst and don't tell me are simply a coincidence, because don't tell me's composition is very simple, and the progression is very standard, and not too much dynamic. there are two bars between the addition of instruments in the intro, I think really really common, and the melody is very familiar one.. it sounds like every single american rock band.

So it could be that tasku had the same thought in pattern at the exact same time as hoobastank peoples, that somehow he got the rights to the beginning melody, that he changed the eighth note slightly, or this is complete scam. LOL.

Personally, I don't think it's that big of a deal, since Hoobastank didn't make that big of a deal, like they didn't make and lawsuits or whatever. And that could mean that Hoobstank let them to use the composition. We don't really know...

LOL.... @ Idealist^^

So if it's tasuku's song to begin with, he didn't copy he just shared it :O

That makes me feel a lot better lol

Crap I accidentally listened to like a doll. It sounds great lol.

YUP OUT OF ALL THE SONGS EVER AYU COPIES A KOREAN SONG FROM THE 80S ABOUT HISTORICAL KOREAN MEN.

If anything has been plagiarized, it's that one interlude in Secret that totally and completely ripped off that Hoobastank song. No one cared about that though.

I think I just heard the pop of the safety tab on a can of worms. :x

showme!

Seriously. Was it secret? I thought it was MU...or maybe there's a bunch lol

But honestly, listening to the previews...I mean, people HAVE to be prepared for comparisons, because a lot of the melodies are not really...unique.

And I mean, they don't really have to be imo, I like them this way...but, there are definitely songs out there that are going to sound like these...

and I don't really think it's intentional, I think they just wanted these particular sounds.


But we probably shouldn't get out the Ayu x Plagiarism argument, lest the stans go into attack mode.

*gets ready to pounce*

Agreed.

I'm so excited for the PVs... I'm not watching the previews, I want to wait for the whole thing but the CM has me so pumped. Kickin' Distance Love ass.

Hoobastank's Don't tell me. taskinst is the interlude.

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showth...ght=hoobastank

It's probably better talk about it here.

[You know, it's really hard to find a writing credit for this song. I know people in the thread mentioned that it was written by band members but now you can't even find that credit.]

If you're talking about taskinst, I just listened to it, and it really is quite a common chord progression and harmonic rhythm used in rock music. Besides, it's not like Hoobastank has ever done anything terribly original and inventive to begin with... xD

^ yep, i can hear it. But got nothing really to say about it. I dont care about these things. I ENJOY MUSIC NOT DRAMA <3 (... maybe a little of drama, i promise.)

^^^yeah. that's her only song I think that is completely plagiarized.. and it's not really even a full song, just an interlude. I don't listen to it because it's annoying and I hate how it's a ripoff.

.....whoa, those two do sound completely alike. Lol. Interesting...

IDK I mean, tasuku was obviously working on a tight schedule and maybe thought he created something that was actually just a memory of something else. WHO KNOWS.

Yeah, that's a pretty common thing for people to do without realizing, actually.

SO GUYS, HOW ABOUT THAT LOVE SONGS ALBUM?

Hmm. Yeah there's a fine line. I hear similarities but the notes and chords really aren't exactly the same. It seems that the first 4-note phrase of taskinst shifts up a whole step whereas in Hoobastank's song it seems to shift up a half step which causes the rest of the melody to differ.

Once the style changes, the chord progression in taskinst seems to have a slower harmonic rhythm than in Don't Tell Me - basically, the chords in Don't Tell Me switch faster. I can't exactly put my finger on the difference, but the chords themselves don't seem to match up perfectly to one another either.

It's kind of a slippery slope. Like I said, there are similarities, but a theoretical and analytical standpoint, the differences seem to be present enough to make the whole concept debatable.

taskinst was an obvious rush job. We all know tasuku can do much, much better in terms of interludes.

It's more than than just chord progressions and rhythms lol

But anyway...I don't really mind that it's a rip off, but it's a song that obviously isn't as good as his other creations. He should rip off better songs.


How about that Love Songs album. It's taking ****ing forever to leak, and the short versions are so incredibly annoying, and if this album disappoints me, I'm going to be extremely depressed.

After i've seen this video of Hoobastank, i realize how much it would be soooo awsome if Ayu had made a full song out of taskinst :yes

IMO, it'd be rather funny if tasuku came out of the woodwork and said that he has never listened to Hoobastank OR if he said he composed the "original" as well.

Same goes for this from Granado Espada by S.F.A. which came out in beta in 2005[?] / 2007 [?]~ Not sure if the soundtrack had been implemented fully during the beta.


~tasking~

Oh, tasuku... I love your arrangements and fairyland, so why the heck did this keep happening?

^it's even more obvious than the Hoobastank's song haha

http://twitter.com/HOOBADOUG

I suppose the next best thing would be to tweet one of the writers of the song [Don't Tell Me] and ask him about it, haha.

^^Taskinst is probably my least favorite of his works.

OMG IT LEAKED

I ****ing love taskinst, but I don't really care, strangely enough. Usually I get really dissapointed over ripoffs such as these but, meh. taskinst is my favorite interlude by her.

tasking is "beyond hope" from granado espada.
taskinst is "don't tell me" from hoobastank.

Come on tasuku. 2 songs down. 2 to go. Where are taskinlude and taskinillusion from? lol

Nooooooo, not tasking too!

What. Tasking was ripped off too? That was my favorite interlude. Not anymore, sorry, but I don't have any respect for songs that are blatant ripoffs, even if they sound nice.

In tasking's case, I don't think it was ripped off since the strings are -EXACTLY- the same. I think they probably used the same stock cello/violin music sample or something.

^ I hope that is the case because tasking is awesome.

for tasking, I think it's just a violin loop. cause the chords are also heard in Hande Yener's song "Hayrola". It's probably in a bunch of other songs too that we haven't heard. I think it's just a very good sounding, popular violin loop that likes to be passed around. Like that clap loop in independent which can be found in a bunch of other songs as well.



btw, that "ripping off" you're talking about is called "sampling" which is taking a small snippit of one song and reworking it into an entirely differnet song. I think there's creativity in taking a small part of one song and making it work in an entirely different song that sounds nothing like the first song. It's interesting to see what someone can do with it, and you get two entirely different outcomes.

^lol sampling = / = ripping off...but yeah, people are dumb, they're always like "THEY STOLE IT". What you said is exactly why sampling is okay though.

I dont think they ripped off tasking.

I do think they ripped off taskinst lol

LOL. Just LOL.

Wow, someone bumped this old thread...for?

Pride... :rolleyes


I'm not bothered at all that songs resemble each other from time to times. Not a biggie... But always fun to find these resemblements! :D