Think choco and maxi have said it all.

I expressed my opinion clearly stating "for me", not making it sound like a fact, not trashing the song and I was basically told to leave the forum.

I think it’s awful for people to attack and describe others as negative and hateful because they didn’t like something.


And if I had said "This song is perfect", I don't believe I would have been attacked. And I don't think anyone would say how I can state it as a fact that the song is perfect. But because I said it was horrible, then that’s the problem. Anyway, when I express my opinion, I say what I think. For me. Not for the whole fanbase.

Why you guys always attack everyone who has different opinion? It's always about the personal opinion. It's multicultural community, English is not the native language for everyone. You think you better than me because I can't describe my thoughts the way you do? Ayu doesn't need so disrespectful guardians. I'm so done with this toxic behavior. This place is for everyone, and I believe everyone should feel safe here.

More often than not, I think that’s the main problem really.

Maybe I should just shut up and let things as they are but ok. I’d just like to add one thing, we should stop taking things so seriously. It’s a forum in which people express their opinion, that’s it. Where’s your sense of humor y’all? I don’t get why people should get so easily offended. The censorship feels real sometimes.

I’ve learned the importance of not having written arguments, but instead talking to people face to face to resolve issues as that’s how you actually see their attitude and gesticulation and most of the time you come to a conclusion that you’ve misjudged them.

I don’t think I’ve personally ever agreed with the member in question and I’ve not based that on their proficiency in English, but rather the fact that we’ve simply always been of the opposite opinions.

In the past I’ve felt really uncomfortable defending ayu on AHS and while the majority of people had issues with what she was releasing and her touring it was the other way around. It’s good things are changing as after all this is supposed to be a community of people who like what she does now...

Not really... I can only talk for myself, but as someone who either likes what she releases or don't care enought to keep on complaining when I dislike something, my experience over here wasn't really the nicest over the years.

I have been accused of several stuff over the years, from silly stuff like "being a troll who wants to sabotage Ayu's career by praising bad stuff she releases" to someone sugesting I may be a pedophile because I tried to start a more nuanced conversation on why she probably wasn't bashing Michael Jackson when Leaving Neverland was released. I even had members constantly posting on threads I opened to discuss the concept behind some of her less liked albums just to repeat we were wasting our times because the release was shit anyway.

I don't come here because it's a healthy community to talk about our appreciation about Ayu, I come here because it's an easy place to get news and there are (very) few members that were actually nice and that I care about.

You guys are blowing this shit totally out of proportion. AHS never been as peaceful as it has been in the past 3 or 4 years. Maybe because we are all getting old lol.

hehe I said it before (I think xD) and I'll say it again.

Ayufans can't accept any criticism because they are stucked in ayu's 2001-2006 Era, when there were rainbows and unicorns. They love her on a personal like no other artist but if you disagree (like I have and explained my counterpoints in respectful manner [sometimes I've seen agitated because english is not my first language and it might come across as rude) they turn into really disrespectful ppl.

Aiming for a positive vibe on this forum isn't the same as censorship. I think you worded it beautifully, Koumori!

Anyway, I wonder if she'll release a new teaser / the whole thing soon, or she's saving it for the new live shows.

I used to like this forum because i could keep up with Ayu news, but I don't enjoy it anymore because having any opinion other than Ayu is god and everthing she does is gold is shamed upon here. The correct response to someone having an opinion you don't share or agree with is "cool, I don't see it that way. I think something else. Lets agree that all opinions are valid because they are based on individual tastes and experiences." Being her fan doesn't mean blindly liking everything and yes we know how hard she works and we know her potential. Most people on here are working professionals and experts in their of fields and know the difference between constructive criticism and bashing so we don't want to come here to share in a topic most of us can only talk about on here only to get heckled at. Thats just not cool.

I'm someone very critique about everything (like EVERYTHING, including myself). Yet I never say something just for the sake of being negative, throw some hate or undermine others opinions. When I feel something is good I say it. When I feel something is not good... I sometimes try to say it.
I have to say it's been more and more difficult for me to be totally honest in my opinions because each time I know if I do so I will have a lot of posts saying my opinion is trash, I'm not a fan, or simply explaining me I'm wrong. I don't want that and I'm sure everybody doesn't. I even refrain for posting here (I mean in this conversation) because I didn't want to drag it further of make myself appear like a "bad fan" to some. I'm still not sure if it was a good decision. I already erased a post I wrote few days ago to answer to that...
I'm not complaining or focusing on anyone in particular, I'm very happy to be a able to share opinion with you ALL, read different opinions than mine, same and opposite, and I will always be <3.
I just wish people would take negative opinions more lightly. It's quite... tiring to have to defend oneself every time we think something in particular is not good for our own valid reasons, or be called indirectly of various things.
Still I fully agree some negative comments may sound rude to some and should be said more delicately. But let's be quite honest 90% of the time the comments are quite nice here so I don't understand the too frequent debates (unhealthy ones I mean) that follow most of the time when a negative one pop up.
It's a great forum and I wish everyone should be able to talk freely yet respectfully about ayu but also about/to the other members.
One more time I'm not speaking of anyone in particular when I say this (for that particular matter it's very tiring to read indirect attacks about one's opinion, trying to making it more important than it is. It's also not very respectful).
I'm sorry guys... this comment is a bit... all over the place and my English is still... not great haha :,x

I understand... I feel that one can feel more legitimate in asking for less negative comments on a fan forum than asking for more freedom to express negative ones. I've myself never complained about that and refrain to do so. Yet I really feel the forum has been quite peaceful recently as opposed to years ago. But it may be me being ok with the way it is.

Of course no worries. You've been perfectly clear in your answers : )

In my perfect world you would never have to bother about something like that.
As long as everyone is respectful everyone shouldn't have to be upset about one's opinion. I truly understand some may be sensitive and feel there is too much negativity but I wish they would be able to let go and enjoy the forum nonetheless and share with us all. It's what's making a thread interesting (and life in general), sharing different opinions with different people. Splitting everything in two would be much work for you guys and not quite pleasing to read (for me personally).
Once more it's just my opinion on this.

Thank you for moderating and give people with different opinions the space to talk about this particular topic ; )

I'm still shocked that this conversation comes up so frequently, and honestly, it is exhausting - for everyone. That said, as us old timers can attest, during its heyday, AHS was a minefield. If people feel like they are attacked now (on either side), you have no idea how toxic the fandom was.

All I'd really contribute here is, don't be an ass. And, conversely, don't be so sensitive. Again - this is for people on both sides of these arguments.

There are people who seemingly come into threads to be a seagull - shit on things, and then leave. If that's your goal, then I'm not sure why you are a part of a forum. Don't get defensive if people respond to your complaints and try to debate - that's literally the purpose of a forum. It doesn't mean you have to change your mind or back down, but we should be able to engage in conversation. On the flip side, if someone hates something you love, you can share you opinions, but you don't need to convince them otherwise.

I think we could all benefit from engaging in more open dialogue, and less in trying to push our own opinions at every opportunity. And that's not just AHS, that's a life skill. As mentioned, there are a lot of non-native English speakers on this forum, there are a lot of age groups represented, and a lot of different maturity levels.