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ohsixthirty 31st May 2006 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marquez
I came to know Ayu by remixes

same here, i think a lot of us came to know ayu because of her remixes. honestly, i doubt i'd be into her if not for her remixes.

what Delirium-Zer0 said though makes a lot of sense. i know a lot of people hope that ayu will release a new remix album, but honestly, i don't think that'll ever happen.

Alessia_Tateno 31st May 2006 05:24 PM

I think a label cant stay all the time concentrate to only one artist, its true that Ayu is a big artist but its also true that remix albums are made to make that artist known by the people, and since Ayu is known by ANYONE now they release remix albums of other artistes.
And I personally dont like remixes much, I didnt listen to any of remixes albums (except some songs), I just know Ayu without her remixes stuffs

Zeke. 31st May 2006 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marquez
I came to know Ayu by remixes and first song I listened so many times were Depend on You Svenson & Gielen remix and it's still one of the best remixes, imo.

Yes! That is my favorite Ayu song/remix! I would pick that remix over any of her originals!

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0
2) Remix albums cost ALOT to make, since each individual remixer needs to be commissioned & paid for the work. Again, no point in doing it since avex doesn't make enough of a return off that investment.

Well then why are they constantly mixing Ami Suzuki? I am sure Ayu's mixes would sell more than hers - especially after such a long break from them!

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Originally Posted by Alessia_Tateno
I think a label cant stay all the time concentrate to only one artist, its true that Ayu is a big artist but its also true that remix albums are made to make that artist known by the people, and since Ayu is known by ANYONE now they release remix albums of other artistes.
And I personally dont like remixes much, I didnt listen to any of remixes albums (except some songs), I just know Ayu without her remixes stuffs

Good point - but hasn't Ami Suzuki been around for a while? I thought she got dumped from another record company and Avex picked her up?

Couldn't they at least put out a GOOD TRANCE ALBUM/ SERIES OF REMIX ALBUMS by KUMI??? Isn't she the Hot to Trot new focal point? They could release volumes 1-10 in a week! That would set records and give Avex more money!! LOL

Alessia_Tateno 31st May 2006 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by anime_fanatic21
Good point - but hasn't Ami Suzuki been around for a while? I thought she got dumped from another record company and Avex picked her up?

Couldn't they at least put out a GOOD TRANCE ALBUM/ SERIES OF REMIX ALBUMS by KUMI??? Isn't she the Hot to Trot new focal point? They could release volumes 1-10 in a week! That would set records and give Avex more money!! LOL

Yeah she was, but after leave the other label she was blacklisted so now Avex wants her to get popular again because after that I think she lost many fans...
I guess they will make remixes of Kumi but that now they dont want to make the mistake they did with Ayu, I mean for these years they only concentrate on Ayu and now they have understand that they have to give chances and priority to more than one artist, now its Ami Suzuki, later maybe will be Kumi. But maybe they wont do remixes of Kumi because she is very very popular now, but if she will start to lack of popularity they will do ^^ Sorry my grammar isnt that good in italian, so its worse in english :P

Raiu-Ayu 1st June 2006 12:16 AM

^Kumi has 1 remix album and it was only released online with about 8 songs and honesty, you (acoustic version) was the only good song on it.

I wish they would release another EUROBEAT album for ayu. I like eurobeat music, espically ayu's. Well, you never know, there might be one on the way. There's a remix of Ladies Night on BLUE BIRD, not to mention the Trance remix of BLUE BIRD itself. We might yet get another remix album out of ayu.

Zeke. 1st June 2006 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiu-Ayu
^Kumi has 1 remix album and it was only released online with about 8 songs and honesty, you (acoustic version) was the only good song on it.

I wish they would release another EUROBEAT album for ayu. I like eurobeat music, espically ayu's. Well, you never know, there might be one on the way. There's a remix of Ladies Night on BLUE BIRD, not to mention the Trance remix of BLUE BIRD itself. We might yet get another remix album out of ayu.

Kumi's "remix album" (if you can call it that) was terrible - this is where you can see how they "rushed" to get stuff out - but I want a good remix album by Kumi, especially trance! The remixes of her songs on Super J-TRANCE BEST and J-EURO BEST were amazing!

I am also hoping for a new set of remix albums by Ayu!

immel 1st June 2006 12:30 AM

I would love to see a new ayu trance... *thinks about M (Above & Beyond), Depend on you (Svenson & Gielen remix), Real Me (Megara VS. DJ Lee Remix), everywhere nowhere (Norman Bass Remix) and some other*

ayumi hamasaki RMX WORKS from Cyber TRANCE presents ayu TRANCE 4... :love

Halla 1st June 2006 12:44 AM

I've been wondering about this myself , good topic anime_fanatic21 !

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0
There are a few reasons avex isn't doing this anymore.

1) They know the remixes get ayu alot of attention, but it's extra attention that's unneeded and not worth the money it takes to produce remix albums. It pleases the fans, yes, but that doesn't change how much income avex gets. The fans already buy everything (as they've proven through releasing multiple versions of singles & albums... all the suckers --and yes, you know who you are, you're suckers for it, pardon my saying so-- are still buying them. No point in making you happy with remix albums if you're already giving avex all that money, and singles are much cheaper to produce).
2) Remix albums cost ALOT to make, since each individual remixer needs to be commissioned & paid for the work. Again, no point in doing it since avex doesn't make enough of a return off that investment.
3) They don't want MORE attention & focus on ayu; having one artist as your principal source of revenue is very dangerous, since a backlash against that artist would result in the collapse of your label. So they're putting the emphasis on other Avex artists.

all this would make sense if Avex hadn't released 'AMIx world' for Ami Suzuki. that album had Ferry Corsten & Jonathan Peters & ect expensive high-end DJ/producers , and realistically speaking the album can be at best expected to sell a fraction of what an ayu remix album would.
and I don't think your third point applies anymore. Ayu hasn't been the lone top artist of Avex in years. '05 her album was only the 3rd best-selling avex album (EXILE were 1st & Koda Kumi was 2nd) , and BoA sold only around 100k less than Ayu.

Anna tsuchiya & AAA have released remix albums recently too , and they aren't huge sellers either ...

also I think the most remixed artist is in fact Madonna , but I believe Ayu is 'officially' the most remixed artist since a majority of madonna remixes aren't included in madonnas official discography. I'm not sure tho.

immel 1st June 2006 01:00 AM

^a very large amount of Ayu's remixes isn't included in her official discography either, me and a friend is working on a complete reference for her remixes. I know a reference already exists here, but I it's not complete yet.

evolution7931 1st June 2006 02:26 AM

Yeah you're right about Ami Suzuki.. they put out a very high quality remix album of hers.. and it only sold about 5,000 copies or so :/ .. and they likely knew it wouldnt sell that well because her last album only sold roughly 60,000 copies and the remix album had hardly any promotion.. they could spend the same amount of money on a remix album for AYU and get a much larger profit

Delirium-Zer0 1st June 2006 02:41 AM

In the case of AMIx WORLD, Avex spending money on those remixes actually results in an increase in CD sales, and thus an increase in profit. Because ayu's fans are MUCH more die-hard rabid fans, avex knows they'll make money whether they spend a bit on remixers or not; since remixers are expensive, they'd rather not. They know ayu's fans will buy all three copies of the new single, for example, and the multiple covers & colors of past releases; that's a MUCH cheaper way to increase sales, so Avex are more willing to do that. Ami Suzuki doesn't have the psycho fan base ayu does, so sales aren't guaranteed with her. They're more willing to take the gamble and pay remixers in her case than in Ayu's.

hopeorpain 1st June 2006 04:30 AM

she is waiting...to surprise us..^^

cybermoomba 1st June 2006 06:07 AM

Maybe they're working on something :shrug

Tetsuhiko 1st June 2006 09:09 AM

Honestly, I hope they release another remix album, preferably while I'm in Japan. Like the creator of this thread, I love trance remixes and just love remixes in general (mostly electronica/dance/trance/house). I would really like to see Ayu revisit the remix sector just to please those die hard fans, perhaps it'll happen, perhaps it won't.

I really enjoyed the remixes of Koda Kumi's as well, I never get tired of the trance remix of "real Emotion" and her other songs.

Daking 1st June 2006 09:20 AM

I need remixes... usually i get bored with artists cuz i play the same songs over and over. With remixes it just enhances the different songs, i love it.

Raleigh 1st June 2006 10:57 AM

Delirium is right. Ayu is on top, has a lot of attention on her and is popular. Probably it wouldn't be worth it in the end.

truehappiness 1st June 2006 11:22 AM

I think it'd be best if it was like LOVEppears xD Wasn't there a whole megamix attached/bundled with that?

I want an album like that xD 2CD+DVD <3 It'd be a good reminder to everyone of how incredible Ayu is.. :]

Halla 1st June 2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0
In the case of AMIx WORLD, Avex spending money on those remixes actually results in an increase in CD sales, and thus an increase in profit. Because ayu's fans are MUCH more die-hard rabid fans, avex knows they'll make money whether they spend a bit on remixers or not; since remixers are expensive, they'd rather not. They know ayu's fans will buy all three copies of the new single, for example, and the multiple covers & colors of past releases; that's a MUCH cheaper way to increase sales, so Avex are more willing to do that. Ami Suzuki doesn't have the psycho fan base ayu does, so sales aren't guaranteed with her. They're more willing to take the gamble and pay remixers in her case than in Ayu's.

actually Ami has a psycho-fanbase too , Avex is milking them with multiple cover + different first book bonus schemes. I know Ayu's is bigger , but with Ami they can also increase sales with different cheaper schemes than remixes. back in the day Ami was huge & sold millions.
I don't think Avex is 'gambling' with Ami. with some new artists they might take changes with & try different things , but Ami's already established herself on avex. I'm sure Avex like any company mostly makes calculated moves to ensure at least some profit & avoids risks.

I sure there are much more casual ayu fans who don't buy into the multiple cover - schemes and such , but they would buy a new remix album. the multiple cover & etc schemes work only for hardcore fans whereas a remix albums work for a much larger number of fans & possibly introduce new people to Ayu.

besides , if they made AMIx World I doubt the remix albums actually are THAT expensive to make , even with US/EU producers. having a dozen remixes on singles are expensive , but as an album release it would seem they aren't.

my theory why there hasn't been any new remix albums : Ayu has more control over her career & she doesn't want them. same goes for 'best of' albums , she doesn't want them released either. 'best of' - albums are a sure a hit , and all the big sellers on Avex ( EXILE , DAI , ELT etc) have already multiple 'best of's released. except Ayu.

Delirium-Zer0 1st June 2006 02:37 PM

Halla: Well avex is still in testing phases with her... it's still early in her avex-era career, so yeah it is kind of a gamble.

And introducing new fans to ayu is something avex isn't holding in high priority right now, since she's already got so much power and they're actually trying to calm her popularity down a bit and emphasise other artists. And the fact remains is that the multiple cover thing is cheaper to do.

I think ayu DOES have more career control, but not this much; do you honestly think she LIKES doing multiple versions of releases? I wouldn't if I were her. And i think she would have disapproved of alot of the remixes that are on her singles, especially those on the fairyland single; they butcher the original song sooo entirely.

Halla 1st June 2006 03:14 PM

I think Ami isn't a new artist on Avex anymore , she's already released 3 singles since her first avex album (and four singles off that too) & probably soon announcing a new album.

I don't think Ayu has total control over her career , she probably has to compromise over things like multiple covers. multiple covers isn't a big deal tho since most people will just pick the one they like the best , but BLUE BIRD single has a different content for different editions and that's a new scheme for Ayu. but who knows , she might be consenting this. afterall she's losing the top-selling posisiton on avex fast ....

and about her remixes on singles ; I think they've really changed in style. they used to be like club/dance/trance/eurobeatish & now they're like expirimental sounding & weird. and didn't Ayu say she likes reggae & urban music ? so she herself might like the reggae remix of 'STEP you' from Fairyland , who knows :P


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