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pSyko_mEi_ xD 28th June 2003 08:05 PM

wtf ? i mean common everyone does this! EVERYONE seriously... i, myself has over 1000 files in kazaa... so... how much will i b charged?? 150,000,000... ??? omg... if we cant burn cds den whoo invented da cd/dvd burner??
so who gonna start deleting first??

y2687 28th June 2003 09:39 PM

im sure most of the ones out there downloading are kids. how are they gonna sue us kids if we don't even have anything to fall dead on? All i have are 48 cents. they can take that if they want.. :/

Unimatrix Prime™ 29th June 2003 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by y2687
im sure most of the ones out there downloading are kids. how are they gonna sue us kids if we don't even have anything to fall dead on? All i have are 48 cents. they can take that if they want.. :/
:laugh :roflmao :laugh

48 cents? lol.. well, I'm sure they'd figure out a way, either thru some time of "rehab" (lol...), or perhaps going so far as to blame your parents and have them pay... :rolleyes

argh... cuz of this, I'm a bit cautious nowadays, since I've read stories about how the cops or FBI would go to people's houses, bust their PC, as well as any HDs/CDs they have.. :caa

pSyko_mEi_ xD 29th June 2003 01:42 AM

omg.. jose dont scare me like this! what if dey really do... omg! ahhh

-BOKU- 29th June 2003 04:16 AM

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[i]Originally posted by U
:laugh :roflmao :laugh

48 cents? lol.. well, I'm sure they'd figure out a way, either thru some time of "rehab" (lol...), or perhaps going so far as to blame your parents and have them pay... :rolleyes

argh... cuz of this, I'm a bit cautious nowadays, since I've read stories about how the cops or FBI would go to people's houses, bust their PC, as well as any HDs/CDs they have.. :caa


yeah ive heard about that too, well what i heard was that they bring a team to your house and they dio a search on anything relted to pirating. If they find bootleg cds they shred them or take then as evidence. Next they take your compuyter and they serach it over and over. After that I heard they monitor you for like a year or something, its tuff i dunno if its true


One thing: What about online radios? like im hearing a station right now * and i cant belive theyre playing ayu!!!!!!!!!!!! and its M *Remix tho* Im pretty sure the RIAA is gunan come after them.

Eother way right now im staying away from high profile P2P progz like kazaa.... Soulseek is one im checking out its low profile and only music. I need my music! theyre ruining my flow!!! :curse

Peruvian_Sky 29th June 2003 08:32 PM

It's about time. Bands/artist have to earn a living just like everyone else. I see no problem with downloading something to see if you like it. But to outright steal from musicians who put their blood, sweat, and tears into their work is just wrong. Besides most bands offer free, legal downloads on their websites.

Unimatrix Prime™ 29th June 2003 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Peruvian_Sky
It's about time. Bands/artist have to earn a living just like everyone else. I see no problem with downloading something to see if you like it. But to outright steal from musicians who put their blood, sweat, and tears into their work is just wrong. Besides most bands offer free, legal downloads on their websites.
I could see if they asked you to delete the mp3s you had, or perhaps charged you a dollar for each song you've DL'd (still not a good idea to me...) , but to charge you like $15000+ (some cases could go into the millions) just for, say, 1000 songs, is WAY too far!! No real person can afford that, and since most of the people caught are college kids, do you think they have enough $ to even pay for their tuition? The RIAA just wants to make up for their lost sales by charging outrageous amounts for their decline on sales which must be related to p2p programs.. :curse

Chireresu 29th June 2003 08:53 PM

If I were in RIAA, which I'm not.*looks around frantically at everyone*I would be telling the artists to make better music and more of it!In Japan people pop out music like a drug addict would pop pills but here in America, the artists push albums out in the period of time a baby is developed.At least Britney Spears has died off for the time being!

Peruvian_Sky 29th June 2003 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Unimatrix ZeroE
I could see if they asked you to delete the mp3s you had, or perhaps charged you a dollar for each song you've DL'd (still not a good idea to me...) , but to charge you like $15000+ (some cases could go into the millions) just for, say, 1000 songs, is WAY too far!! No real person can afford that, and since most of the people caught are college kids, do you think they have enough $ to even pay for their tuition? The RIAA just wants to make up for their lost sales by charging outrageous amounts for their decline on sales which must be related to p2p programs.. :curse
That is the most pathetic justification for stealing I have ever heard. So let me get this straight, according to your logic if a college student couldn't afford something and they stole it from a store, they shouldn't have to pay the fines because as you say, ''they couldn't afford it''. Get real.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second, shall we? Suppose you owned a business and someone stole from you and your profits because as you say ''they couldn't afford it''. Would you not prosecute them?

The real issue is, theft is theft. Period, point blank, end of discussion. Somewhere along the lines you people are forgetting that the idea of a business is to make a profit. You know that is what business do. The RIAA is a business, not a charity. They owe you (or anyone) nothing.

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If I were in RIAA, which I'm not.*looks around frantically at everyone*I would be telling the artists to make better music and more of it!In Japan people pop out music like a drug addict would pop pills but here in America, the artists push albums out in the period of time a baby is developed.At least Britney Spears has died off for the time being!

That is absurd. There is more than mainstream music (i.e. radio and MTV). Try looking into underground bands/artists.

Sakura_Drops 29th June 2003 09:09 PM

Those bastards!!.....I mean a lot of people found out about Ayu cause they downloaded an mp3 and after that they started to like her and buying her albums and stuff...Without that Ayu would probably lose a lot of non japanese sales<------Suck on that RIAA!

Chireresu 29th June 2003 09:17 PM

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That is absurd. There is more than mainstream music (i.e. radio and MTV). Try looking into underground bands/artists.
I'm only twelve, I don't know where to look...Where could I look?:think

sxesven 29th June 2003 09:20 PM

I think this really sucks balls. I mean, MP3 is just free promotion the way I see it. Record companies don't have to advertise at all and still ppl get to hear all the music which, in many cases, STILL encourages them to buy CDs (I always buy CDs, except when things are impossible to come by; it's impossible to get good gamesoundtracks here for example).

I mean, come on, the most important reasons for record sales going down are

1 - music is getting worse by the day
2 - CDs get more expensive by the day

Let me tell you what the average Pop CD costs overhere. €22!!! That's almost $25! Thank god I don't listen too much pop, cuz most records I buy are around €15, which is about $17. That's the second most important reason.
Have you seen MTV these days? I can tell you, here in Europe, about 70% of what's on tv is total crap. So if 1: Record companies would stop releasing this crap they 2: could make CDs cheaper cuz they wouldn't have to spend loads of money on advertising total nonsense.

MP3s are the best. I love em to death. When I d/l MP3s I like I go buy the album anyways. It's been three months since I first downloaded an Ayu song. Two weeks ago I ordered five Ayu CDs. So back to you, record companies :P You all suck balls!

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Originally posted by trinity
I'm only twelve, I don't know where to look...Where could I look
It's hard to find good stuff at your age I think. The level of my musical taste was far below zero when I was twelve. Just download random things from KaZaA. Look around on sites like amazon.com and allmusic.com. Just explore. But only if you feel like it.

Unimatrix Prime™ 29th June 2003 09:21 PM

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Originally posted by Peruvian_Sky
That is the most pathetic justification for stealing I have ever heard. So let me get this straight, according to your logic if a college student couldn't afford something and they stole it from a store, they shouldn't have to pay the fines because as you say, ''they couldn't afford it''. Get real.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a second, shall we? Suppose you owned a business and someone stole from you and your profits because as you say ''they couldn't afford it''. Would you not prosecute them?

The real issue is, theft is theft. Period, point blank, end of discussion. Somewhere along the lines you people are forgetting that the idea of a business is to make a profit. You know that is what business do. The RIAA is a business, not a charity. They owe you (or anyone) nothing.



That is absurd. There is more than mainstream music (i.e. radio and MTV). Try looking into underground bands/artists.


Perhaps you're missing my point, then... I'm not saying that it's right, but the RIAA wants to charge thousands, if not millions of dollars on people for getting a few of an artists' songs. The amout they're charging people is what's getting to me, not the idea that they're looking for people with mp3s. Yes.. you're right.. if I was the artist, i'd be pretty upset too, but just think: without mp3s, most no-name artists wouldn't be where they are now, and altho some people still won't go and buy CDs, those that do would have a better understanding of what they're gonna get, rather than spend $15+ on a CD which they might as well throw out the window...

Also, imagine what would happen at jail and such... you'd be meeting guys who've stolen cars, robbed banks, and even killed people, but I'd imagine that if those who get charged by the RIAA don't pay up, it'd be quite a sad story to tell other inmates:

Inmate 1: So.. what'cha in for?
Inmate 2: I DL'd some MP3s
Inmate 1: whoa.. that's hardcore.. not!

:roflmao :roflmao

sxesven 29th June 2003 09:31 PM

People who don't buy the CDs now wouldn't buy them anyways :rolleyes

Chireresu 29th June 2003 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by pSyko_mEi_ xD
wtf ? i mean common everyone does this! EVERYONE seriously... i, myself has over 1000 files in kazaa... so... how much will i b charged?? 150,000,000... ??? omg... if we cant burn cds den whoo invented da cd/dvd burner??
so who gonna start deleting first??

I'm gonna burn all my PVs, CMs, and songs to CD's, make them as real looking as possible and delete everything from p2p programs off my computer!:thumbsup

y2687 29th June 2003 09:49 PM

lol okay, so it may be concidered stealing. fine. but i think those fines are a little outrageous. okay, like me and trinity. were basically kids here. we've got like no money to pay for those fines. and i know that maybe we shouldn't be downloading in the first place, but hey, because i downloaded, I'm now a fan. and because I'm a fan, I'm going to buy. I had no idea that the world of jpop existed, until i downloaded.

paper_doll 29th June 2003 10:00 PM

But will they do it, they've been saying they would scince Napster came out. I havent heard it happening once. Its like satelite, they close shops all the time that fix satelite cards, but they just re-open again. And police dont do anything about it. Im not worried about it at this point. And for that I'll go download 20 different things off KaZaA.

Delirium-Zer0 30th June 2003 07:29 AM

I was in the shower this morning and I thought of something.

Someone needs to buy MTV and restructure it completely.

MTV need to play videos and nothing but videos. Become MUSIC tv again. No commercials. Because you know what? The VIDEOS should be the commercials. Commercials for the artists and their songs! Shows should be separated by genre so people can tune in and watch rap, pop, hard rock, classic rock, techno, or international videos when they want to. The record labels would pay MTV to play their videos and thus promote the artists on their labels. Also, the industry here needs to be based on single sales. At the moment it's based on radio and video requests. This is WRONG WRONG WRONG all WRONG. Asking the radio to play your song, for one thing, is almost as bad as mp3s because you get to hear the song all you want without paying anything. Also, if one song is more popular than another, it pushes out other artists that could potentially surface and become popular. An artist or a song's popularity should be determined by how many copies of the single it sells, not how much it's played on the radio and shoved down unsuspecting people's throats.

If the industry worked this way in america CD sales would go up and less money would actually have to be spent by record labels for an artist's studio time. In a single-based market, artists release songs as they are completed. As a result songs are tailored to perfection one at a time and less time is spent actually recording; more time is spent mixing, brainstorming, and writing. In the USA, an artist will write 45 half-assed songs, then record 30 songs in crappy "demo" form, then perfect maybe 20 of those, and then finally only release 12 on an album. Then, executives above them choose 4 songs to release as singles; the most sure-fire hit comes first.

With more songs released as singles, artists get more exposure of various songs of theirs. By the time the album comes out, people KNOW if they'll like it or not cuz they've already heard the four or five songs from it that were already released. People this way aren't as likely to get ripped off like they are here when they buy a cd with one good song on it and then the rest is horrible. Plus, in a single-based market, you buy the SINGLE if you like that one song, and the album if you like all the singles.

CD rentals aren't a needed thing in this system and that's why the japanese market isn't doing as well as it should recently. Mp3s ARE hurting jpop, not american pop. American pop suffers cuz there's not enough advertising or variety. US record labels spend ALL their funds on recording and promotion of image instead of promotion of the various wonderful music that is in fact out there.

It'll be hard to find more obscure artists if MTV and the Radio don't play them. I found Tori Amos and Curve because I saw one of each of their videos on late-night MTV years and years ago, back when they actually played videos at least half the time.

miryoku 30th June 2003 07:44 AM

mtv does need to play videos- that was what it was created to do.
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on mp3s

the biggest problem about mp3s is they are free. who would buy something if they can get it for free? so many people think im crazy buying cds when i already have the burned copy.

personally- cd prices need to come down. i'd buy a lot more cds if they werent so expensive.

-BOKU- 30th June 2003 10:02 AM

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[i]Originally posted by m
mtv does need to play videos- that was what it was created to do.
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on mp3s

the biggest problem about mp3s is they are free. who would buy something if they can get it for free? so many people think im crazy buying cds when i already have the burned copy.

personally- cd prices need to come down. i'd buy a lot more cds if they werent so expensive.

yeah so would i, sometimes on a cd ill only liek about 2 songs or something then stop listening to it like a mont later, theres only a small amount of cds that i liste to for a while... u knwo what would be a good idea?


well i think itd be cool to do this,.. instead of buying teh album, u can email otr call in and request a mix, like from teh same artist, ya know? almost liek customized cds, and its got the label lyrics and everything, i think people would like that, cuz thinka bout it, alot of times when u BUY teh cd its cuz u just like teh little booklet u know all that fancy stuff, if you had all that plus a cd that YOU want that has the songs YOU want, i think more people would buy... but then again tahst my crazy idea lol...

MTV: yeah u know i really get annoyed how MTV is nowadays..i dunno if its just me or i turn on teh tv at bad times but i always catch it when its some stupid show about teen life drama or some crap... so much for MUSIC television... remember THE BOX? now that was pure music vidoes... until of course myv bought em off and had teh GENIUS idea of calling it MTV2... oh well ive given up on tv anyways. why bother when i can DL everything lol...


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