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xLuna&1LOVE 17th February 2012 06:27 PM

Oh well, if you put it in that way it's creepy.
Thank you anyway, Ray_Jason for explaining me.

I suppose the official painting is from 17 or 18th century (During the 'Enlightenment or the Age of Reason'). So that means: we should look who has been a royalty in that time, tracking all those noble ladies and we will get our answer. Elisabeth Bathory was from early 1600, but already ruled in 1500. It could be a descendant of hers. But still, I think the painting is from the Western side of Europe.
Hey, I do not know this exactly; i try to think with you.


EDIT: Sorry, thought wrong. It must be from a century earlier. 16th or 17th because in the 18th the Barok got introduced and this lady is wearing everything except barok.

ayu_ready? 17th February 2012 06:41 PM

I googled & I think it's Mary Stuart

xLuna&1LOVE 17th February 2012 06:43 PM

^ Yes I was just going to edit my post until I saw yours.

I think that Mary Stuart fits the lady in the painting. From several nobles ladies I have googled, Mary Stuart is the only one who has lots of common with the lady on the picture.

ayu_ready? 17th February 2012 06:46 PM

that makes sense, knowing she was a kind of rebellious powerful but then she became an exile and was killed by her own family & betrayed
Ayu & loneliness used to go hand in hand together, lol

P.S. Mary Stuart was always very tall and there Ayu's climbing a ladder, hmm :) know what I mean? :P

TeamAyu2004 17th February 2012 07:20 PM

I'll assume you are talking about Mary Queen of Scots? which i don't think that is her...
THe picture isn't right..

Do we know if this is a reproduction of a real picture of just something that Ayumi borrowed and made into her own?

SURREAL__RAINBOW 17th February 2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Yumi(e) (Post 2818379)


The dressing style is different too.

Kanzaki 18th February 2012 04:35 AM

Why don't we just ask Ayu on twitter if she knows?

truehappiness 18th February 2012 06:36 AM

It might be a better idea to ask Leslie.

AyuGAME 18th February 2012 06:37 AM

^LOL

tinka69 18th February 2012 02:28 PM

It's a shame the song isn't as beautiful as the cover :(

TeamAyu2004 18th February 2012 03:23 PM

Lord just what we need, asking him and he saying its just a mystery... I hate that.. lol

BlackSilence 18th February 2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 2818305)
It's more a legend than actual facts, but still, legends don't come out of nowhere.... A painting of a murderer on an Ayu cover, it's still very creepy.

well at least it would go nicelly with "how beautiful you are" phrase, since she was obsesed with the youth.. >D

ayu_ready? 18th February 2012 06:47 PM

I think Mary Stuart looks similar:)
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8...itionsstua.gif
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6...nofscotsin.png

isthisLOL? 18th February 2012 07:00 PM

Like Queen Elizabeth, Mary Stuart is usually(or at least often) drawn ginger while the painting on the cover has darker hair. However Mary Stuart's hair colour is closer to it than Queen Elizabeth's, even if Queen Elizabeth is closer to the clothing style in most of her portraits.

Lady_Eowyn 18th February 2012 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 2818322)
There is also the theory that Elisabeth Báthory was a victim of a political motivate intrigue of Habsburg and that she never commited those crimes.

Absolutely agree. I love psychology and from the biographies i've read about Elizabeth her description doesn't sound very plausible for me.on the other hand,somewhere else i read she was trying to help one of her cousins to get the throne in Hungary and that's why she was accused. I think it was negative propaganda the only one that remained,just like the propaganda for count (Vlad) Dracula.

Anyway, asking ayu who's the woman would finally clear our doubts about the "mistery" lady lol :laugh :roflmao

Kanzaki 18th February 2012 11:48 PM

Do you guys see that thing in her hair? Isn't that a kanzashi of some sort? Could she be of japanese origin, but dressed up like 15th/16th century nobility? I've never heard of such a thing, but Idk. It might be possible. Just saying :P

I've never seen this portrait in my life before and I've seen tons (had a history crazy, or well, had. It's lasted from I was around 6 until now, hehe).

everlastingRAINBOW 19th February 2012 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanzaki88 (Post 2818702)
Do you guys see that thing in her hair? Isn't that a kanzashi of some sort? Could she be of japanese origin, but dressed up like 15th/16th century nobility? I've never heard of such a thing, but Idk. It might be possible. Just saying :P

I don't think so. And if she is, then they accidentally painted her caucasian... :thud

Kanzaki 19th February 2012 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by everlastingRAINBOW (Post 2818704)
I don't think so. And if she is, then they accidentally painted her caucasian... :thud

LOL! It does seem kind of unlikely. Painters from back then tended to "cheat" a bit with their art sometimes though. Idk. Never heard of something like that before, so I don't really believe it. Just a random thought.

I want to know so bad who she is, argh! :laugh It's frustrating!

microphone 19th February 2012 01:55 AM

you don't know... you don't know... HOW BEAUTIFUL YOU ARE~
I liked it at first but then disliked it and now I like it again.

Kazeyomi 19th February 2012 03:47 AM

The discussion about hbya cover is really interesting. I'd really like to know who's the woman in the paiting too :yes. And if all of these hidden meanings are true, well.. they make the cover even more beatiful imo :D.
We really should ask to Leslie lol.


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