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jbrat2219 11th June 2009 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 1975954)
Yeah Im really in the mood for a late summer single since we didnt get any last year... And well yes, her summer singles are always amazing!

As long as it's not a typical summer single.

JackieRos 11th June 2009 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1975834)
NEWS FLASH

Ayu stops performing because fans won't shut up about "speculation."

Now there's something to complain about :irked



Come on guys, we know she sings live, we know she lip syncs. Can we please just leave it at that and not nitpick when she does or does not lip sync. It really doesn't ****ing matter O_O;

awesome post

i agree with you

TakaSama 11th June 2009 04:08 AM

Sorry about this, if you don't want to get into the discussion of lip synching, please skip this post.

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Originally Posted by noidea (Post 1975653)
Takasama is speculating and letting it sound like a fact("I know she sung live because she was out of breath") but you only mind if it doesnt make ayu seem like a goddess, do you?

Interesting that I'm getting brought into this. Actually, I know that Ayu has lipsynced in the past, and I don't deny that. HOWEVER, I know what her lipsynced songs tend to sound like, and EnergizE DID NOT sound like lipsyncing. And, unlike your assumption about me, I was watching for lip synching, because I didn't trust Ayu NOT to do it based on previously existing speculation.

More fully expounding on what I saw and heard during this song : Ayu used her cute voice, but it seemed to strain her. She would drop syllables, for example "dakara tte wake janakute" came out like "dakara __ wake janakute" because she couldn't keep up with the movement and the singing consistantly. Those syllable drops became more noticable as the song went on, and she became more out of breath. Also, the English bits of the song were louder than the rest of the singing, and therefore MAY have been lipped, but I'm tentatively attributing it to the fact that Peko/Princess were singing along.

waterballoon 11th June 2009 04:25 AM

I hope HOPE or PAIN would be replaced with SCAR. :yes

truehappiness 11th June 2009 05:12 AM

Usually the English segments of her songs [my HONEY!] are played by the manipulator or whoever is in charge of sound effects when the need arises for them to be played..

polka-dot-jewel 11th June 2009 05:28 AM

I would imagine the parts of "HONEY" would be played by the sound manager, but I would think she would sing (or lip) "put your hands up together..." *shrugs*

jbrat2219 11th June 2009 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1976373)
I hope HOPE or PAIN would be replaced with SCAR. :yes

Hecks yeah! :cool

I love SCAR!!!! One of my favorite old-school Ayu ballads lol.

ALfromHELLSING 11th June 2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1975834)
NEWS FLASH

Ayu stops performing because fans won't shut up about "speculation."

Now there's something to complain about :irked



Come on guys, we know she sings live, we know she lip syncs. Can we please just leave it at that and not nitpick when she does or does not lip sync. It really doesn't ****ing matter O_O;

Absolutely agree with you too. It's like there's nothing else to discuss.:headache

MissElin_ 11th June 2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1976373)
I hope HOPE or PAIN would be replaced with SCAR. :yes

I know right?!?! SCAR is by far the greatest ballad ever!

nemesisyume 11th June 2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 1976772)

I know right?!?! SCAR is by far the greatest ballad ever!


omg yah! SCAR is amazing! always loved that song!


love in music 11th June 2009 11:11 AM

i agree i really don't like HOPE or PAIN at all lol :( SCAR would be a lot better :yes

koumori 11th June 2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1976676)
Hecks yeah! :cool

I love SCAR!!!! One of my favorite old-school Ayu ballads lol.

Totally agree! ^^ I love SCAR <3 Then again, I love the whole of the Duty album ^__^;

noidea 11th June 2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TakaSama (Post 1976351)
Sorry about this, if you don't want to get into the discussion of lip synching, please skip this post.



Interesting that I'm getting brought into this. Actually, I know that Ayu has lipsynced in the past, and I don't deny that. HOWEVER, I know what her lipsynced songs tend to sound like, and EnergizE DID NOT sound like lipsyncing. And, unlike your assumption about me, I was watching for lip synching, because I didn't trust Ayu NOT to do it based on previously existing speculation.

More fully expounding on what I saw and heard during this song : Ayu used her cute voice, but it seemed to strain her. She would drop syllables, for example "dakara tte wake janakute" came out like "dakara __ wake janakute" because she couldn't keep up with the movement and the singing consistantly. Those syllable drops became more noticable as the song went on, and she became more out of breath. Also, the English bits of the song were louder than the rest of the singing, and therefore MAY have been lipped, but I'm tentatively attributing it to the fact that Peko/Princess were singing along.

OK, the things about the syllabes, you didn't write that before, so I wasnt able to know. I thought you only said it was live because she sounded out of breath at the end. In the way you wrote it now, I think EnergizE is live, but it's still different from what some users read in japanese reviews, sure, its possible she changed, like lipping the first few concerts and singing live later(like Marionette AT08, she FORGOT her lyrics in the very first concert, but the two performances we saw were playback, so she changed that during the tour, and please, dont attack this line, it HAS been proven, simply by her using the same vocal track in both concert we saw AND the fancams)
This tour, to me, seems like her "I stop lipsynching!" tour anyway, the only 2 songs that were doubted were EnergizE and Identity, a really small amount of songs and it seems shes singing both live now.
Please notice that I never said you were lying, only that you didn't have any more or better arguments than I had, now you have and I believe you

Andrenekoi 11th June 2009 12:16 PM

^Most of the time, people say a singer is lip-synching just because he/she sang good... other times, people say it was too perfect to be live just cuz they aren't trained into music, so, he/she doesn't notice some mistakes... and sometipes people thinks it wasn't live cuz they don't know how a singer can use a backtrack or backsingers to make his/her singing soundig good... I have already seen people saying that some terrible performaces by ayu were vocally great... or how you almost can't hear ayu, but can clearly hear clearly peco and princess in some heavy coreographed parts of performaces (1Love chorus)...

there are a LOT of ways of covering mistakes on singing live, lip-synching being the most extreme.... So... it's hard to tell if she was really lip-synching or not even based on reports... if you are not following an artist that openly does it, the only way u can know if he/she is not singing live, is if the singer does what ayu did on Angel's Song... So... try not being so obsessive... @_@ in the end, it's all speculation

JackieRos 11th June 2009 02:25 PM

^took the words out of my mouth

alternarist 11th June 2009 03:22 PM

can we stop the discussion on lip sync? :)

polka-dot-jewel 11th June 2009 05:46 PM

Goodness... it seems like people are ARGUING over this.

It's like I keep saying: Ayu CHOOSES to lip-sync! She's not perfect. If she wants to lip-sync, let her do it.

zyoeru 11th June 2009 06:08 PM

For a second I thought this thread was about Ayumi's new tour. I must have been wrong. O_o

truehappiness 11th June 2009 07:01 PM

It was, but somehow lipsynching discussion keeps getting involved.

Can the mods do something about it? Hmm..

JackieRos 11th June 2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by alternarist (Post 1977059)
can we stop the discussion on lip sync? :)

agreed

if they want to talk about it please do it
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