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TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad Wolf (Post 2943698)
^ and as it happens i do like dubstep :laugh the snowy kiss remix is quite nice too. shohei remixed kuu's unmei, so i'm not surprised the snowy kiss mix came out that nice. and remo-con's been around for a while it looks like? there was a dj remo-con mix on the evolution single :O

really??? I don't remember that... Ill have to check it out... i dont remember all the mixes off that single, but he has always been a hit or miss with me...
this time.. after first I didn't care for it, but it works, really really well.

ayukyuurii x tvxq 7th December 2012 05:10 AM

Still didn't listen to it yet.

But there are many good reviews for again and I'm happy for that.

Bad Wolf 7th December 2012 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2943707)
really??? I don't remember that... Ill have to check it out... i dont remember all the mixes off that single, but he has always been a hit or miss with me...
this time.. after first I didn't care for it, but it works, really really well.

yup! not including the mixes on LOVE and again, remo-con's done:

evolution (evolution single)
Heartplace (on ayu-mi-x 5 nonstop mega mix)
Rule (on Rule/Sparkle)
M (ayu-mi-x 7 HOUSE)
monochrome (ayu-mi-x 7 presents ayu trance 4)

love in music 7th December 2012 05:25 AM

Honestly, I loved the entire album. It's better than LOVE. It doesn't have any fillers in it at all. Really impressed with it. I also liked the Melody orchestra version a lot, when I hated the original. Love when that happens!

Also, good dubstep is awesome. There's some crap out there that's for sure.. but I think ayu has worked with some really talented people. Her dubstep mixes are great.

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 05:27 AM

Melody got the piano mix and it didnt help for me.
Its still completely boring and totally skipable.

Delicious n Bold 7th December 2012 05:30 AM

The original version of melody is the best
It somehow has become my no1 played Ayu song.... wut

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 05:35 AM

^ ew, what happened? lol :p

Delicious n Bold 7th December 2012 05:40 AM

^ I obsessed over it
Maybe it's cuz I hated it so much and the saying goes 'if you make fun of someone, you like them' so maybe I really liked melody...
IT SURPASSED FAIRLYAND I JUST CANT I MUST REPLAY FAIRLYAND OVER AND OVER

love in music 7th December 2012 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold (Post 2943735)
^ I obsessed over it
Maybe it's cuz I hated it so much and the saying goes 'if you make fun of someone, you like them' so maybe I really liked melody...
IT SURPASSED FAIRLYAND I JUST CANT I MUST REPLAY FAIRLYAND OVER AND OVER

Besides fairyland, what was your other most played ayu song? I'm curious.
You really played Melody that much? wow. Mad respect right there. I couldn't play it more than 2 times without getting bored.

Delicious n Bold 7th December 2012 06:12 AM

^ my other most played?
That would be dearest at 162 plays
Then fairyland at 166
Then melody at 176

I don't know why I love melody so much now... But fairyland means MORE to me. They PV symbolism!!

love in music 7th December 2012 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold (Post 2943744)
^ my other most played?
That would be dearest at 162 plays
Then fairyland at 166
Then melody at 176

I don't know why I love melody so much now... But fairyland means MORE to me. They PV symbolism!!

Oh cool. Hmm let me see my most played.. this is just in the last few months

reminds me, Return Road, and BRILLANTE :D

jang-kun 7th December 2012 06:35 AM

Snowy kiss is currently my most played song.

very sending mail.

love in music 7th December 2012 07:04 AM

I think it's a LOT better than sending mail. It has so much more going for it.

Foyuki 7th December 2012 11:16 AM

1 39,202 EXILE BEST HITS -LOVE SIDE/SOUL SIDE- RZN 12/12/5
EXILE
2 13,111 GREEN GARDEN POP SR 12/12/5
YUI
3 12,829 ORANGE GARDEN POP SR 12/12/5
YUI
4 - again AVT 12/12/8
浜崎あゆみ
less than 12k..........

ExodusUK 7th December 2012 11:18 AM

Her career is in tatters :(

KuuXAyu-fan 7th December 2012 11:21 AM

Before everyone freaks out it's not the official release. The sales will increase. :yes

4位 9,087 again AVT 12/12/8
滨崎あゆみ

ayumisrael 7th December 2012 11:22 AM

Well I'm sure that sales will pick up, at least I hope so :P This release is so much better than LOVE but the decrease is too much as for now.

ayu_ready? 7th December 2012 11:27 AM

oh my god
she's ruined

AyuWorld 7th December 2012 11:34 AM

wonder when will we get the PVs? >.<

Linza-mo 7th December 2012 11:45 AM

so sad for Ayu and again...

they must they think of new solutions for her career, they can't continue as when she was at its peak! :/

ExodusUK 7th December 2012 11:51 AM

Seems like Team Ayu are sick of her antics and gimmicks, what with the report of people cancelling their Team Ayu membership.

AyuWorld 7th December 2012 12:00 PM

it's too difficult to handle this era and this 15th anniversary as an Ayu fan :thud

honestly im sad and worried for "the throne of the Queen and her reputation" it is sad to see all these now :(

Heavenly 7th December 2012 12:05 PM

Her sells decrease because of the lack of promotion ... Avex thinks that she can sell pretty well, just because of the name "ayumi hamasaki" stamped on CD/DVD. But actually it isn't enough, and they don't see it. She could sell a lot, not like in her earlier career, but at least like in MY STORY/(m)u era if they decide to pilot her promotional stuff in a better way...

Foyuki 7th December 2012 12:13 PM

^
^
^
well including me : (

Gustavopc 7th December 2012 12:25 PM

LOVE had already impressed me with its sales, and releasing a mini one month after the other in such a competitive week... No wonder why people did not bother giving it much attention if they ever knew it was coming out. I hope they start working better on her next releases, but I highly doubt they'll put some effort on A CLASSIC |:

mizuki-7 7th December 2012 12:28 PM

It's not only the lack of promo ! it's also the scandal with maro & I'm sure her performance of seasons at FNS that all japanese have find terrible don't help it etc... It's very sad :(

maikaru 7th December 2012 12:31 PM

Honestly, I passed Tower Records today and saw the album in person...

And I just couldn't buy it. It just annoys the hell out of me that he's on the front cover. LOL

freedreamer 7th December 2012 12:36 PM

times when a celebrity's music gets overshadowed by other external issues

tenshi no hane 7th December 2012 12:40 PM

I don't care who she puts on the cover, it's the fact that 'again' is being sold as an album even though it's obviously a gloried single (and avex just doesn't want Ayu to lose her streak) annoys me.

But anyhow. I hope snowy kiss' official lyrics will pop up soon~

TITANIC 7th December 2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2943866)
Honestly, I passed Tower Records today and saw the album in person...

And I just couldn't buy it. It just annoys the hell out of me that he's on the front cover. LOL

thats what I thought. I love this mini very much but Maro appearance really annoys me. I cant stand this, not that I hate him

Didz-19 7th December 2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 2943849)
Seems like Team Ayu are sick of her antics and gimmicks, what with the report of people cancelling their Team Ayu membership.

Really? That's suck! Do you have the articles/report about it? please share with us~

mizuki-7 7th December 2012 01:55 PM

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And I just couldn't buy it
Why you couldn't ?

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 02:46 PM

some people are just moronic,
thats all I have to say.

jyujiw 7th December 2012 03:06 PM

If the general public thinks like some here in this forum, I know why she tends to give a ******* to everything. Everything she does, there's a lot of complain.

Sometimes I really think if she should stop her career for a moment or even forever, not for me, I would be endlessly sad, but for her sake.

ohsixthirty 7th December 2012 03:43 PM

omg, people are being dramatic in here.

seriously, the lady has been around 15 years, she can't remain number one forever. i see her like musicians in the west like madonnna, cher, etc...who are legends, but not necessarily on top with every release.

Mai82Go 7th December 2012 03:58 PM

I like again more than LOVE. But still, to make it a mini album.....they could have released LOVE and again together and then called that a mini album, but this is just like a single. I don't think it is a good idea and a bad deal in these days where a lot of people struggle financially.

About Maro & Ayu....I just don't care anymore. I lost interest in Ayu PVs a few years ago, when I watched them once and forgot about them. They are just boring and useless nowadays. I wish her all the best. But honestly some of the decisions she made careerwise/private in the last 2 years were just stupid. But then I'm not as emotionally invested as I was before. These rumours about people leaving TA, I want proof. It is not like they publish lists about the people who don't renew their membership. You cannot leave TA your membership runs out.

Delicious n Bold 7th December 2012 04:03 PM

Dang..
Am I one of few people who doesn't care about this fiasco?
sure I DON'T wanna see maro on the cover... But at least wake me up is redemption.
This was a weird year for me to become a fan lol.
I always seem to become a fan when the artist starts flopping a lot more than before (Ayu, Angela Aki, even koda kumi)

ohsixthirty 7th December 2012 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold (Post 2943971)
Dang..
Am I one of few people who doesn't care about this fiasco?
sure I DON'T wanna see maro on the cover... But at least wake me up is redemption.
This was a weird year for me to become a fan lol.
I always seem to become a fan when the artist starts flopping a lot more than before (Ayu, Angela Aki, even koda kumi)

no you're not alone, i don't really care either. i mean, i don't love seeing him on the cover, but i don't really care either. :shrug its ayu's career and as long as the music is good i'm there. :yes

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 04:13 PM

I think the 'fans' that let maro get in the way are just asking for trouble. lol
Ayumi has never been shy about her feelings, and putting a MODEL on her cover is hardly anything new (granted she hasnt done it very often, but it happens). The fact is we just KNOW who it is and that she is dating him.
Oh HEAVEN forbid she brings her personal life to work, lets shun her and tell her how we feel so that she'll do what WE want.
I'm bitter.
Just a bit.
lol.

ohsixthirty 7th December 2012 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2943978)
I think the 'fans' that let maro get in the way are just asking for trouble. lol
Ayumi has never been shy about her feelings, and putting a MODEL on her cover is hardly anything new (granted she hasnt done it very often, but it happens). The fact is we just KNOW who it is and that she is dating him.
Oh HEAVEN forbid she brings her personal life to work, lets shun her and tell her how we feel so that she'll do what WE want.
I'm bitter.
Just a bit.
lol.

i think its jealousy. people are mad that ayu has a life outside of making songs for THEM. if she is doing what she wants, then good for her.

Delicious n Bold 7th December 2012 04:17 PM

So let me ask...
WHO is that guy on the H single cover?

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 04:21 PM

^^ lol... that could be part of it.

I really think people just have control issues. They see a product because that technically what she is, and when we buy products, they are ours and we get to control them... but when it comes to entertainment the product line kinda blurs because we are dealing with people so its hard to separate yourself from that part of it.

i thought Ayumi did it beautifully during the A Best to My story eras... (from product to person anyways)

@DnB... I think its just a model... Now if it was her boyfriend at the time (whatever his name was), I wonder how the fans would have reacted.. lol

Foyuki 7th December 2012 04:22 PM

OMG....
http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/67ac7c65tw1dzlknptv13g.gif

ohsixthirty 7th December 2012 04:23 PM

^i'm really confused about this PV with the other guy in it. love triangle? :lech

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 04:28 PM

which PV is that?

freedreamer 7th December 2012 04:28 PM

perhaps the its a reunion with the guy on H and Ayu and Maro...EVERYTHING IS COMING FULL CIRCLE NOW

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 04:35 PM

the short PV's have been posted!
the gif is from Wake me up!

and its the guy (hottie) from the picture that was posted a few weeks ago!

ohsixthirty 7th December 2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2944013)
the short PV's have been posted!
the gif is from Wake me up!

and its the guy (hottie) from the picture that was posted a few weeks ago!

but who is he in the PV? is ayu into maro or the hottie? i don't understand this story. :headache

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 04:38 PM

^ I think i get the connection everyone was talking about
even in snowy kiss they use footage from You and Me... lol
it looks like Maro and Ayumi have BROKEN UP!! it was in a PV, so its official and everything.
=) :yes
lol

ohsixthirty 7th December 2012 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2944020)
^ I think i get the connection everyone was talking about
even in snowy kiss they use footage from You and Me... lol
it looks like Maro and Ayumi have BROKEN UP!! it was in a PV, so its official and everything.
=) :yes
lol

this is a trilogy i could have done without.

i want some more abstract PVs from ayu...

maikaru 7th December 2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2943978)
I think the 'fans' that let maro get in the way are just asking for trouble. lol
Ayumi has never been shy about her feelings, and putting a MODEL on her cover is hardly anything new (granted she hasnt done it very often, but it happens). The fact is we just KNOW who it is and that she is dating him.
Oh HEAVEN forbid she brings her personal life to work, lets shun her and tell her how we feel so that she'll do what WE want.
I'm bitter.
Just a bit.
lol.

The fact is she said she would separate her personal life from her private life. Wow, how many times have I typed this up on this board. She says one thing, and does another. That's why people are fed up. It's not because she has brought her personal life into her work - she made her money with lyrics talking about her personal life - it's the fact that she said she would not allow her recent personal developments interfere with her professional work, and clearly Maro has been given a super huge preference due to recent personal developments. I feel sorry for the other dancers, because honestly, there is absolutely no reason for Maro to be on the front cover, and in almost every single page of the booklet. If she wanted to keep things separate, should would have made sure to keep him out of the picture, pardon the pun.

It's like she's just saying these set sentences to keep the public at peace for a few minutes.

It's way too in your face. I feel like if I buy this single, I'm condoning this... that Maro has been given the spotlight just because he's her boyfriend. What about Shu-ya, Jin, or Kazuma, who have worked equally hard and deserve the spotlight too? And honestly you guys, most Japanese fans are feeling the same way I am feeling. The culture is built in a way so that even if a singer or whatever has a boyfriend or husband, you rarely ever see them. It's just for the same reason that PDA is really frowned upon... you have to consider other people's feelings. Sorry if you can't agree with this, but Ayu is Japanese and she was born and raised in this culture... so she should take caution and realize what's going to happen.

And I have absolutely no problem with models being on the front cover, side cover, back cover, whatever cover. As long as she keeps everything professional. She knew 100% this would cause an uproar if anyone found out Maro was her boyfriend (Yeah, I remember she said that everything happened in the wrong order, blah blah), so honestly the blame is on her.

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Originally Posted by ohsixthirty (Post 2943983)
i think its jealousy. people are mad that ayu has a life outside of making songs for THEM. if she is doing what she wants, then good for her.

LOL.

You caught me. I'm secretly lesbian and I hope she marries me and ditches Maro, because I can't live without her singing her songs about me for me.

ohsixthirty 7th December 2012 06:49 PM

^oh, so all those songs were about you? wow, ayu's career really makes sense to me now! :yes

Zeke. 7th December 2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944131)
You caught me. I'm secretly lesbian and I hope she marries me and ditches Maro, because I can't live without her singing her songs about me for me.

Get your ass to the salon and get your hair did! You are needed on set for the next round of promotional shoots in just a few hours!

love in music 7th December 2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Foyuki (Post 2943996)

A+ boobs.

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Originally Posted by ohsixthirty (Post 2943999)
^i'm really confused about this PV with the other guy in it. love triangle? :lech

Or 3some!

Coelacanth 7th December 2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944131)
The fact is she said she would separate her personal life from her private life.

When was the LAST time she even said that? Like, 2006? PEOPLE CHANGE. I'm changing my views on things all the time. We're not these stagnant, one-dimensional beings.


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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944131)
It's way too in your face. I feel like if I buy this single, I'm condoning this... that Maro has been given the spotlight just because he's her boyfriend. What about Shu-ya, Jin, or Kazuma, who have worked equally hard and deserve the spotlight too?

They've all had the spotlight at some point... especially Shuya, so I'm not seeing the big deal.


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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944131)
And honestly you guys, most Japanese fans are feeling the same way I am feeling. The culture is built in a way so that even if a singer or whatever has a boyfriend or husband, you rarely ever see them. It's just for the same reason that PDA is really frowned upon... you have to consider other people's feelings. Sorry if you can't agree with this, but Ayu is Japanese and she was born and raised in this culture... so she should take caution and realize what's going to happen.

God forbid Ayu has personal experiences she wants to share with the world and convey in her art! She should just suppress her feelings and direct all her love songs to some unknown entity (that we all knew was Tomoya Nagase, anyway) like in the past! I'm sorry, but it's all really petty. The entire Japanese culture reeks of underlying sexism and an aversion to think PROGRESSIVELY and move past primitive cultural norms.

So this dude Maro was in a marriage, it didn't work out, and Ayu and him are getting it on. Well, life happens. Why do fans expect everything to be so cookie-cutter and Ayu to be this kind of figure who makes no mistakes? Yet she always has these lyrics referring to "sins" she's committed and how she's "hurt other people" - What does that mean? But I guess that's OK, as long as she's not too specific about what's going on in her personal life, right? So it's like we all acknowledge that she isn't perfect and is only human like everybody else, but if any specific event is publicized, we chastise her for it?

If Avex thought this was that big of a deal, they wouldn't have let her publicize it to this degree. Period. Or perhaps a huge corporation like Avex is more forward-thinking and less concerned with traditional cultural norms than the rest of Japanese society... which... is sad.

Linoa62 7th December 2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 2944163)
When was the LAST time she even said that? Like, 2006? PEOPLE CHANGE. I'm changing my views on things all the time. We're not these stagnant, one-dimensional beings.

She said this when she announced that her and Maro were an item on TeamAyu...
From Misa-chan's blog
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I am in a serious relationship with Maro-chan.

However, work is still work, private life is still private. I will continue to keep them separate, and create the best shows. Definitely.

Coelacanth 7th December 2012 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Luna62 (Post 2944169)
She said this when she announced that her and Maro were an item on TeamAyu...
From Misa-chan's blog

So what exactly is she putting out there? Maro was an actor/model/dancer BEFORE he was Ayu's boyfriend. So she has to choose someone else because she's dating him? It's still not a big deal.

jbrat2219 7th December 2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944131)
The fact is she said she would separate her personal life from her private life. Wow, how many times have I typed this up on this board. She says one thing, and does another. That's why people are fed up. It's not because she has brought her personal life into her work - she made her money with lyrics talking about her personal life - it's the fact that she said she would not allow her recent personal developments interfere with her professional work, and clearly Maro has been given a super huge preference due to recent personal developments. I feel sorry for the other dancers, because honestly, there is absolutely no reason for Maro to be on the front cover, and in almost every single page of the booklet. If she wanted to keep things separate, should would have made sure to keep him out of the picture, pardon the pun.

It's like she's just saying these set sentences to keep the public at peace for a few minutes.

It's way too in your face. I feel like if I buy this single, I'm condoning this... that Maro has been given the spotlight just because he's her boyfriend. What about Shu-ya, Jin, or Kazuma, who have worked equally hard and deserve the spotlight too? And honestly you guys, most Japanese fans are feeling the same way I am feeling. The culture is built in a way so that even if a singer or whatever has a boyfriend or husband, you rarely ever see them. It's just for the same reason that PDA is really frowned upon... you have to consider other people's feelings. Sorry if you can't agree with this, but Ayu is Japanese and she was born and raised in this culture... so she should take caution and realize what's going to happen.

And I have absolutely no problem with models being on the front cover, side cover, back cover, whatever cover. As long as she keeps everything professional. She knew 100% this would cause an uproar if anyone found out Maro was her boyfriend (Yeah, I remember she said that everything happened in the wrong order, blah blah), so honestly the blame is on her.

I understand that this kind of stuff is frowned upon in Japanese culture but should ayu conform to cultural standards she may not agree with just because she's Japanese? And is her personal life truly being exploited in her work simply because Maro is featured in photos for this release? Was she exploiting her relationship with him in You & Me when no one knew they were dating? Had we not known now, would it still be a problem? I'm not attacking or anything, just making convo. :)

Miltonic 7th December 2012 08:21 PM

maybe shes doing this to rebel against her culture in a way..

TeamAyu2004 7th December 2012 10:27 PM

I still think she is keeping her private life private and her work life separate.
Just right now, her boyfriend is apart of her work life...
We still dont know anything about the two of them together

JackieRos 7th December 2012 11:52 PM

No wonder she said she was bruised from filming.
Maro beating the crap out of ayu grrrr.


I only like snowy kiss pv.

njanjayrp 7th December 2012 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2944182)
I understand that this kind of stuff is frowned upon in Japanese culture but should ayu conform to cultural standards she may not agree with just because she's Japanese? And is her personal life truly being exploited in her work simply because Maro is featured in photos for this release? Was she exploiting her relationship with him in You & Me when no one knew they were dating? Had we not known now, would it still be a problem? I'm not attacking or anything, just making convo. :)

That's actually an interesting point. Maro has been her dancer for years, she used Shuya in so many of her PVs and I've never thought that was strange.

Tbh I don't care as I'd personally be happy if she never had her dancers in her videos. At least they didn't ruin Sweet scar.

truehappiness 8th December 2012 12:03 AM

I still think his usage in again is simply as a faceless male model even though most fans know of him as "Maro". They try to not show his face at all.

maikaru 8th December 2012 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2944182)
I understand that this kind of stuff is frowned upon in Japanese culture but should ayu conform to cultural standards she may not agree with just because she's Japanese? And is her personal life truly being exploited in her work simply because Maro is featured in photos for this release? Was she exploiting her relationship with him in You & Me when no one knew they were dating? Had we not known now, would it still be a problem? I'm not attacking or anything, just making convo. :)

I know it's really really difficult to understand why I'm saying these things, like it's a cultural thing, etc.

And before I go further, I wanna point out that in no way in my last post did I say that she's exploiting this relationship. I have revised my thinking from before because clearly this relationship isn't giving her any bonus points in her professional life, so yeah.

However, there comes a point where some things are just too insensitive to the public. First and foremost, she is a public figure. She has said many times before that she has a responsibility to be Hamasaki Ayumi at all times, for her fans. That she has a responsibility to portray and perform the role of Hamasaki Ayumi. Unlike overseas fans, Japanese fans really become very fanatical about their favourite fans. Sorry to say, but it's the truth. Every single thing the artist does, we react to personally, whether it be very very good, or very very bad. There are some people who even commit suicide over their favourite artist' actions. She has continuously said that even if only one person listens to her, she will continue to sing. That means that she actually cares about what her fans are thinking, feeling.

She isn't some mad artist who wants to experiment and doesn't care about the feelings of her fans. We all know this.

It would definitely not be a problem if we hadn't known, because the circumstances have changed. There is another factor in the equation that seems to be swaying what she's thinking and what she does. Like I said before, this equation is the relationship between both of them. No one knows for sure what's happening behind the scenes, but we only know what's happening on the surface. And it appears like it's causing Maro to get preferential treatment, and not even Mannie was on the front cover of any of her albums. Or in the booklets.

What I'm trying to say is, what may or may not be, the way it appears is the way I describe. And like many other of her fans over in here, I just can't accept that everything was a coincidence that she chose Maro randomly.

And whether you guys may hate this kind of thinking, the truth is that Japan right now has the exact same thinking... everyone you talk to about Hamasaki Ayumi says "Oh she's gone so crazy. I loved when she was younger, but now she's just trying to hard. She's over."

And looking at Again sales, it's true. This scandal has hit her very, very hard.

truehappiness 8th December 2012 12:55 AM

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And looking at Again sales, it's true. This scandal has hit her very, very hard.
I don't agree.

I think people are just confused about the release date. I mean, did anyone expect it to come out on Friday instead of Tuesday?

maikaru 8th December 2012 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2944335)
I don't agree.

I think people are just confused about the release date. I mean, did anyone expect it to come out on Friday instead of Tuesday?

? Why would it come out Tuesday?

Release date is Today, the 8th...

truehappiness 8th December 2012 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944339)
? Why would it come out Tuesday?

Release date is Today, the 8th...

Probably because LOVE had a release date of 'the 8th' but it was still released along with the other releases that were going to be released a day or two earlier?

I'm aware of that, but I think the furage day in addition to out of the ordinary release dates are just confusing to people who are for the most part, used to getting releases on certain days of the week.

I remember when GUILTY got like 20k first day (then again this was back during the index days when you had to multiply) because of a super early Christmas release?

Bigtop 8th December 2012 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Heavenly (Post 2943856)
Her sells decrease because of the lack of promotion ... Avex thinks that she can sell pretty well, just because of the name "ayumi hamasaki" stamped on CD/DVD. But actually it isn't enough, and they don't see it. She could sell a lot, not like in her earlier career, but at least like in MY STORY/(m)u era if they decide to pilot her promotional stuff in a better way...

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 2943849)
Seems like Team Ayu are sick of her antics and gimmicks, what with the report of people cancelling their Team Ayu membership.

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Originally Posted by AyuWorld (Post 2943853)
it's too difficult to handle this era and this 15th anniversary as an Ayu fan :thud

honestly im sad and worried for "the throne of the Queen and her reputation" it is sad to see all these now :(

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Originally Posted by mizuki-7 (Post 2943863)
It's not only the lack of promo ! it's also the scandal with maro & I'm sure her performance of seasons at FNS that all japanese have find terrible don't help it etc... It's very sad :(

Have to agree with all those reasons. :(

Have to say, this has made 2012 the WORST year for Ayu...she has got to take a break soon. We just can't let her continue on without a break...and she hasn't done one since she started her career back in 1998.

truehappiness 8th December 2012 01:39 AM

It was just an observation from a Japanese fan and is probably also coincidence...

Let's look at the last three COUNTDOWN LIVE titles not counting WAKE UP:
COUNTDOWN LIVE 2011-2012 A ~HOTEL Love songs~
COUNTDOWN LIVE 2010-2011 A ~do it again~
COUNTDOWN LIVE 2009-2010 A ~Future Classics~

Anyone see the parallels? (LOVE from "HOTEL Love songs", again from "do it again", A CLASSICAL from "Future Classics) If it does end up being 'forrealz'... the 4th release will be some kind of PREMIUM thing of some sort and the fifth will have 'Anniversary' in the title?

PREMIUM COUNTDOWN LIVE 2008-2009 A
COUNTDOWN LIVE 2007-2008 A ~Anniversary~

This is likely not true but still interesting.

Bad Wolf 8th December 2012 01:44 AM

^ Definitely more interesting than people bawwing about how her career is over lol

freedreamer 8th December 2012 01:52 AM

wOW..thats kinda cool HAHA! interesting ^^

My Rainbow 8th December 2012 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad Wolf (Post 2944360)
^ Definitely more interesting than people bawwing about how her career is over lol

THIS

And for those people crying over her choosing Maro for the cover. It came out of her vagina, you start deal with it. She is the one who choses the songs she releases, the covers (although in Sunrise/Sunset and A SUMMER she should had asked for advise xD) and everything she wants.

Bad Wolf 8th December 2012 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by My Rainbow (Post 2944362)
It came out of her vagina, you start deal with it.

omg this is brilliant.

TeamAyu2004 8th December 2012 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2944182)
I understand that this kind of stuff is frowned upon in Japanese culture but should ayu conform to cultural standards she may not agree with just because she's Japanese? And is her personal life truly being exploited in her work simply because Maro is featured in photos for this release? Was she exploiting her relationship with him in You & Me when no one knew they were dating? Had we not known now, would it still be a problem? I'm not attacking or anything, just making convo. :)

ive been saying this for weeks now.

spanishfan 8th December 2012 02:18 AM

My rainbow, in Spanish sounds better ne xD

And about that theory, I do not want anything "PREMIUM" with lots of expensive things like tea or cookies lol, better a premium booklet or something like that with the cd (single-album-mini-remix-whatever)
Otherwise, it makes a lot of sense since the last release might celebrate her anniversary, thought it'll be the next month, maybe the premium thing will be the last 2 releases and then the anniversary, I don't know :/

My Rainbow 8th December 2012 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spanishfan (Post 2944370)
My rainbow, in Spanish sounds better ne xD

QUE HAGA LO QUE LE SALGA DER COÑOOOOOOO!!!!

:lech




As a "fan" I want Ayu to be devastated and lonely her whole life so she can write songs that describe my life and feel special.

yabieru 8th December 2012 02:59 AM

BEST ANNIVERSARY. I just can see it... xDD

Gustavopc 8th December 2012 03:11 AM

wow the idea of the cdl titles is a bit crazy but it does make some sense :laugh Maybe we'll get a "Premium Hotel Love Songs Tour DVD"?

Her boobs in Wake me up made me rewatch that jumping scene for a couple of minutes oh my god

TeamAyu2004 8th December 2012 03:14 AM

Really, I dont think ayumi is this in depth with her releases.
but we shall see.

jbrat2219 8th December 2012 04:46 AM

@maikuru

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However, there comes a point where some things are just too insensitive to the public. First and foremost, she is a public figure. She has said many times before that she has a responsibility to be Hamasaki Ayumi at all times, for her fans. That she has a responsibility to portray and perform the role of Hamasaki Ayumi.
Yes, but Hamasaki Ayumi, the artist and performer, has been known to push cultural boundaries. She has also been known to speak out for/or against things she feels strongly about. Does it make her any less ayumi hamasaki the artist because she chooses to express her feelings boldly in her work this time? How is she not fulfilling her responsibility? Are fans not fulfilling their role by abandoning her for creative decision? Do we not have a responsibility to be understanding? Or is the relationship between ayu and her fans strictly professional? We pay for her music so she has a responsibility to us to conduct herself in an orderly fashion according to our beliefs and feelings? How can you claim to love someone if you treat them like that? (again, not attacking lol)


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Unlike overseas fans, Japanese fans really become very fanatical about their favourite fans. Sorry to say, but it's the truth. Every single thing the artist does, we react to personally, whether it be very very good, or very very bad. There are some people who even commit suicide over their favourite artist' actions. She has continuously said that even if only one person listens to her, she will continue to sing. That means that she actually cares about what her fans are thinking, feeling.
Setting cultural differences aside, this is not very healthy behavior. And in reality, regardless of whether or not ayu takes her fans feelings into consideration she cannot, and in my opinion, does not compromise her musical creativity (be it, PVs, covers, performance, etc.) for her fans. Yes, she does cater to fans a lot but she still does things she wants to do, too. And many times both interests connect. But, if she wants to do something fans may not agree with she has the right to do it, period. It is not because she doesn't care about her fans feelings but because she cannot constantly be a slave to her fans demands. We know this because she has stood up for what she believes in against her fans wishes in the past.

I understand that there are strong cultural reasons for this issue becoming a "scandal," but can you at least see how this is... well, for lack of a better word, an overreaction?

It's just silly to me that Japanese fans as well as some foreign ones freak out over her expressing her love for someone on a cover but when she has her ass out on all fours, no scandal! :laugh

People may have complained about Party Queen but no one boycotted it.

My Rainbow 8th December 2012 04:50 AM

^TRUE

Ayu fight back in the MY STORY era for her not to be treated like a puppet and a product by her label and now she has to fight for her not to be the puppet of her selfish fans.

TeamAyu2004 8th December 2012 04:59 AM

^ just wanted to add that I felt like My story was talking about what she had to do between A Best to Memorial Address (about fighting back)... its her story about it... lol.

And I will say that cultural differences are a huge part into it... quite frankly non-japanese fans will never truly understand what a japanese fan can feel, but also, japanese fans need to understand that not all ayumi fans are japanese nor do they have the so called 'weird' cultural view points. And yes its weird because its a weird cultural thing from a western view point.

But beyond any of that, taskinillusion was right in the other thread no one is going to agree because we are all of different cultures.

My Rainbow 8th December 2012 05:02 AM

Actually, can somebody explain to me where is the current scandal? I don't get it. It's not like she's behaving like Lindsay Lohan, to put an example :rolleyes

AyUmIXx 8th December 2012 05:39 AM

^ nothing just ayu and maro in relationship, and she said on her TA that she'd put her career and personal life separate, but then she put maro in her PVs, and that's what i heard that made the japanese fans mad, and some of the ppl in AHS as well.

My Rainbow 8th December 2012 05:43 AM

^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Western scandals are WAAAAAAAAAAAAY JUICIER :cool

Yumsushi 8th December 2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2944467)
I understand that there are strong cultural reasons for this issue becoming a "scandal," but can you at least see how this is... well, for lack of a better word, an overreaction?

It's just silly to me that Japanese fans as well as some foreign ones freak out over her expressing her love for someone on a cover but when she has her ass out on all fours, no scandal! :laugh

People may have complained about Party Queen but no one boycotted it.

Maybe it is an overreaction, however, whether its right or wrong for them to feel this way, if what maikaru is saying is the general consensus in Japan right now then this overreaction is the only thing that matters because it affects Ayu and everything related to her right now since they're the significant majority that buy her cds and go to her shows. If people are doubting her sincerity and thinking she's a try hard that is a big problem. Attacking maikaru (not you but everyone else) is just unnecessary and hardly proves that western fans are better.

Maybe this is just culminating from alot of things that happened over the past few years that made Japanese fans iffy. I just think her and her team royally screwed up because there is no way they couldn't predict this backlash. If this is the fanbase they are catering to, then they have to abide by whatever the norms are over there.

And I will be the first to admit to boycotting PartyQueen lol, I just can't bring my self to buy it.

freedreamer 8th December 2012 07:09 AM

i think...the PVs dont even point to Maro and Ayu having a relationship..whats there to be pissed about. Ayu is single again by the end of it all...thats probably the ending fans love? If this news wasnt announce, then everyone would treat Maro just as they would treat a normal actor..and still, i dont see a big problem with her own bf in the PV when he's just playing a role that isnt even reflective of their own relationship

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here's my review of again..finally

Wake me up - This is really different! I didn't think so much of Sparkle (ok maybe the verses). Ayu's vocals are superb!!! I love how strong and fierce they are and the beat is really good. Ayu really knows how to write songs and make them catchy (the Wake Up and Get Up parts). I think the production is very complete..esp with the bridge, that adds to that completed feel. (honestly, when the song started, I could totally Kumi singing this)

Sweet scar - The opening really slayed me. It's so beautiful. again, it feels complete. With the violin in the bridge. I could see myself listening to this for several nights. Just this song and me haha.

snowy kiss - truehappiness was right. I could see kalafina doing this song and it would be HOLY. I think Ayu's vocals are kinda high for this amazing song haha! But ok, not a valid complaint. snowy kiss is really amazinggggg!!!! It's as thought sending mail and Last angel had a lovechild. I could see this song as those grand anime movie theme songs. The verses give me images of this riding-on-the-bike-through-the-city scene and then there are epic battle scenes HAHAH.

Ivy - the second verse touched me already. I love songs when the chorus sounds not so distinctly as a continuation from the verse. It's gorgeous! I can feel Ayu's emotions through this song. Very nice ballad.

This mini DOES feel different from Ayu's normal works and has definitely ventured away well. great!

Linoa62 8th December 2012 01:00 PM

CD+DVD version pics including booklet
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2033524483

njanjayrp 8th December 2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944332)
I know it's really really difficult to understand why I'm saying these things, like it's a cultural thing, etc.

And before I go further, I wanna point out that in no way in my last post did I say that she's exploiting this relationship. I have revised my thinking from before because clearly this relationship isn't giving her any bonus points in her professional life, so yeah.

However, there comes a point where some things are just too insensitive to the public. First and foremost, she is a public figure. She has said many times before that she has a responsibility to be Hamasaki Ayumi at all times, for her fans. That she has a responsibility to portray and perform the role of Hamasaki Ayumi. Unlike overseas fans, Japanese fans really become very fanatical about their favourite fans. Sorry to say, but it's the truth. Every single thing the artist does, we react to personally, whether it be very very good, or very very bad. There are some people who even commit suicide over their favourite artist' actions. She has continuously said that even if only one person listens to her, she will continue to sing. That means that she actually cares about what her fans are thinking, feeling.

She isn't some mad artist who wants to experiment and doesn't care about the feelings of her fans. We all know this.

Before I say anything I just wanna state that I am against music videos such as You & Me, Love song, Last angel and the latest two featuring Maro. Now being fanatical isn't an excuse and the whole thing sounds like a treat. I mean what people are going to commit suicide because Ayu featured a man she is dating in her music video? They might as well do. While I understand Ayu has an image and whatever is left of her reputation to maintain catering to a mentally damaged fan base isn't something worth considering. I'd like her to keep her private life separate from her professional life as much as possible, but if she doesn't want to do so, I'll just ignore the things I don't like. For instance I won't even bother watching the whole PVs for Wake me up and snowy kiss. It might be the cultural thing, but some things are inexcusable. Yet it's Ayu's problem to deal with things like that.

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2944332)
It would definitely not be a problem if we hadn't known, because the circumstances have changed. There is another factor in the equation that seems to be swaying what she's thinking and what she does. Like I said before, this equation is the relationship between both of them. No one knows for sure what's happening behind the scenes, but we only know what's happening on the surface. And it appears like it's causing Maro to get preferential treatment, and not even Mannie was on the front cover of any of her albums. Or in the booklets.

What I'm trying to say is, what may or may not be, the way it appears is the way I describe. And like many other of her fans over in here, I just can't accept that everything was a coincidence that she chose Maro randomly.

And whether you guys may hate this kind of thinking, the truth is that Japan right now has the exact same thinking... everyone you talk to about Hamasaki Ayumi says "Oh she's gone so crazy. I loved when she was younger, but now she's just trying to hard. She's over."

And looking at Again sales, it's true. This scandal has hit her very, very hard.

I don't believe a single person can speak for everyone, but I guess that's the way the Japanese public has felt about her for a while. People change and the Japanese public should too. Shuya had a preferential treatment and no one complained really...

saigodansu 8th December 2012 01:50 PM

AHS had quite a few posts of foreign fans boycotting Party Queen. And for everyone who posts theres atleast 10 who don't post here because of the backlash having an opinion gets here. And for foreign fan there's 1000 or more japanese fans. So that adds up to alot and explains the Party Queen sales that never achieved what the previous 2 albums did. Now with AGAIN the boycotting is in much bigger #s and if this thing with Maro was planned for publicity for the remainder of the releases for her 15th Anniversary and for CDL, then the amount of fans she loses is going to be more than she has left.

Like someone stated above, her people should have thought this out before hand.

Didz-19 8th December 2012 02:37 PM

Not that I hate Maro/Mannie or whoever she's dating...but it's better to keep them apart from her work~i mean, come on Ayu, we all love you, we love your music....but please don't use your own staff in your music video...i love "blossom" / "endless sorrow" / "connected"...even though there's no Ayu in the video...but it was really good.

at least use other artists in your video~

freedreamer 8th December 2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Luna62 (Post 2944600)
CD+DVD version pics including booklet
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2033524483

thanks! gosh looking at the comments below in that forum...its pretty harsh :/

anyway, are there official big scans somewhere?

TeamAyu2004 8th December 2012 02:49 PM

okay, with the sales going up for again, I do believe that speaks for itself.

nuff said.

Linoa62 8th December 2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freedreamer (Post 2944646)
thanks! gosh looking at the comments below in that forum...its pretty harsh :/

anyway, are there official big scans somewhere?

On baidu they don't really like Maro, most of them prefer Shuya XDD
But no, I haven't seen any scans yet :/

Andrenekoi 8th December 2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2944305)
I still think his usage in again is simply as a faceless male model even though most fans know of him as "Maro". They try to not show his face at all.

I said it once or twice... We only know it's Maro cuz we are obsessed enough with her career to recognize her dancers by their hairstyles... Most people of this forum wouldn't notice it's him if they weren't members of the forum. Even funnier... this is an album about break-up with 2 pvs that are part of a story about break up.

Maybe the idea wasn't "in love again" but "in love/alone again"



And Jbrat is being brilliant <3

AyuWorld 8th December 2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Didz-19 (Post 2944643)
Not that I hate Maro/Mannie or whoever she's dating...but it's better to keep them apart from her work~i mean, come on Ayu, we all love you, we love your music....but please don't use your own staff in your music video...i love "blossom" / "endless sorrow" / "connected"...even though there's no Ayu in the video...but it was really good.

at least use other artists in your video~

that way is better and os I can watch her PV the way I watch it as an artist art work without being influencedby the real true which is sometimes made me a bit biased to liking the PVs :yes


anyway such a pity why still no DVD rip for the PVs? need to see the HQ version for Sweet scar especially :thud

TeamAyu2004 8th December 2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2944654)
Maybe the idea wasn't "in love again" but "in love/alone again"

And Jbrat is being brilliant <3

I didnt think of it that way again, but the PV's do kinda agree. She was in love, but it happened again (the bad parts). I'm thinking although Ayumi has found LOVE again (it works both ways), she might realize that its going to fail and thats why she picks fights with maro over and over, to break the marriage dating up.

AND

this whole boycott business erks me to no end.
I'm ashamed of some people, I really am. And If I could apologize to her for her fans, I would.

freedreamer 8th December 2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2944659)
I didnt think of it that way again, but the PV's do kinda agree. She was in love, but it happened again (the bad parts). I'm thinking although Ayumi has found LOVE again (it works both ways), she might realize that its going to fail and thats why she picks fights with maro over and over, to break the marriage dating up.

I like that point-of-view of the two minis :)
very reflective of reality.

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btw just wanted to add that snowy kiss's remix is AMAZINGGGGGGGG. that sound and dubstep worked so well :)
Missing's orchestra just made it so many times sadder while keeping its beauty
always been a fan of Melody and that piano-only version was simple and great!

TeamAyu2004 8th December 2012 03:15 PM

I also like the found love again more...
who knows. She looks happy in the pictures and what not, lol.

She might be staying quite and stuff because of all this madness. Its sad really that she has too.

Delicious n Bold 8th December 2012 04:59 PM

adding the two mini albums together plus You & me makes an album that is 38 minutes long, almost as long as Memorial Address.
HMMM


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