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pepper 27th November 2013 06:58 PM

Im comfused because:

1) I don't like the fact that the moral is "fatty won't get love till she get super skinny"

buuuuuuuuut

2) I don't like being fatty, and I think it's super motivational...

aaaaaaaaand it's pretty cheaaaaaap and american....

buuuuuuuut...

super entertaining! :O


+ finaly something diffrent and pretty funny.
the fatty girl is super cute.

Coelacanth 27th November 2013 07:01 PM

The song itself is about Ayu's own missteps when it comes to her relationships. Ayu might have used the PV to satirize the lengths people go through to search for their love. That could explain the slapstick nature of the video, especially Ayu's bizarre acting at the end. But who knows?

People are so butthurt that Ayu seems to be embracing the notion that thin=desirable... Well, I don't wanna delve too deeply in the biology of human beings, because that's an entirely different discussion altogether... But when it comes to mating, we look for two things: people that radiate health and symmetry.

Yoake 27th November 2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 3044000)
But her 'spirit' isn't supposed to change :laugh Just her attitude, in order for her to be fit and healthy. I disagree once again, that is called flirtation at the end, he couldn't see her soul at all ;)

Of course her spirit changed. if she felt confident at the beginning, she would go to see him directly. But she wasn't. It's why she does sport. Even if you smile, if you don't feel good yourself, people'll see it. But when you accept yourself & are truly happy with what you are, you are radiant & appealling.

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044065)
I think most viewers will just be laughing at how ridiculous the entire video is rather than think it's seriously pushing some kind of "you should lose weight or look like Ayu to get someone to like you" message.

I mean... "did that girl just turn into Ayu?" was probably on everyone's minds at the very end, hahaha.

Agree with you. i think most people just watched pv or film to divert themselves and don't analyse them. ^^


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Originally Posted by AyuGAME (Post 3044078)
by the way, looking on that overweight girl, i feel motivated and see a different side...
even though you are overweight, you can be very healthy (i think this is the meaning of the scene when she pushed away marathon players)...she can be very confident and don't have any fear..and of course looks pretty (the scene when she got make over, and DJ Hello Kitty suprised by the way she looks)


i don't know...i feel that the PV working nicely altogether..and supporting the song very well...

for people that said Hello Kitty is for a kid, you really don't know how famous Hello Kitty in Japan. I think every Japanese women love Hello Kitty!

I like your interpretation :)
If other AHS members have others interpretations, please post them. ^^
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I don't think that a funny pv need an expensive budget. Feel the love is simple & it works for me.
Also, a movie, a pv, a book that is funny, could have a deep meaning. Both aren't incompatible.

kalikagai 27th November 2013 07:20 PM

Yay, I liked it a lot! Main actress is extremely cool :)

This PV is definitely quite inspirational, and I see no other moral than "every thing is in your own hand".

Irish_Ayu_Fan 27th November 2013 07:33 PM

It seems like they were going for "Fat Amy" out of Pitch Perfect, who is hilarious, as is this girl! Not gonna bother trying to defend this video or song because people are gonna cry no matter what. But I enjoyed it, wish there was a bit more Ayu though.

Livey~ 27th November 2013 07:38 PM

LOL this pv is so.. I don't know :laugh

I need to watch it again before expressing an opinion~

Those final seconds of her acting like that are hilarious.. :roflmao

happiholic★ 27th November 2013 07:48 PM

Well, I liked the scenes with Ayu looking all b-girl cute, but that's about it. I didn't find it offensive, though I could see why some would. I just didn't find it terribly funny. I feel like it almost tries too hard to be funny. I'm never gonna watch this PV again :P

Zeke. 27th November 2013 08:01 PM

Well on the offensive side of things, this is a generalization, but this man is a muscle hunk. He works his ASS OFF to get that body. It only goes to say that someone who works half as hard should be with him. If this man was obese then the girl wouldn't be going crazy over him to begin with. So in a way, she is in it for his body too.

Maemi 27th November 2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 3044105)
I love yoake's interpretation on the pv, it's really touching if the Hot guy( played by James Ellis) sees the inner beauty of the fat girl (represented by a pretty image of ayu).

Did you guys saw the part when he turned and looked at ayu? He seem to give the 'wow' expression. I guess they wanted to depict that he was clearly mesmerise by her beauty. Inner beauty of the fat girl.

AHAHAHAHA of course he goes WOW when he sees that mini skirt and her boobs falling out :lech It's hilarious how people are trying to make it deep even when it's simply... not.

NintendoHTF1242 27th November 2013 08:18 PM

I JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT FITNESS TRAINER AND HE IS IN IT FOR TEN SECONDS BYE AYU

The animation scenes were so stupid and cheap. But everything else was really fun and silly to watch. The main actress reminds me of Adele though when she first gets her make-up done. But the moment I saw her hair-color I KNEW she was going to turn into Ayu in the final scene.

Meh. It was a fun and cute PV, and the song actually grew onto me.

cosmicfirefly 27th November 2013 08:25 PM

Wasn't sure of the video when I first saw it, and I'm still a bit on the fence about it, though I do think some parts are funny. I don't think it looks cheap, it seems like they were trying to go for a certain kind of look. Watching it a second time it seems like the guy knew her from before but didn't recognize her, so he's surprised by her new look. Their hug at the end felt more friendly than anything else, so I'm not sure if he's supposed to be her boyfriend.

//ABEST 27th November 2013 08:40 PM

it reminds me of Nanny's opening


Kuronekomi 27th November 2013 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayumi Romania (Post 3043848)
I really don't like this. I feel sad to say this but I think it has to much cheap American influence. I want japanese Ayu. Because she go so often in LA, I think it has a bad influence on her and she will be more american and less japanese. I repeat myself, I want Ayu japanese style!

I think exactly the same way! I like Ayu because she's Ayu and not a cheap american gurl wannabe :innocent
I hate to say this but I hate this PV even more than I hated the Komuro-style song.
I'll try to forget this and look forward:headache

ExodusUK 27th November 2013 08:59 PM

At least the video does the song justice (both are dog shit).

NintendoHTF1242 27th November 2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3044196)
At least the video does the song justice (both are dog shit).

quote of the year

untitled-for-her 27th November 2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by drdolce (Post 3044132)
It's just a music video. Why does everyone has to get so serious about everything all the time here? Just enjoy the song or go make your own PV if this one sucks. :) Personally I just found it funny. That's all.

THANK YOU.

hidekirby 27th November 2013 09:22 PM

Wow...
SO! I absolutely love the "I don't give a sh*t" feeling etc... It is incredibly fresh and I applause ayu for giving me something like that.

The "bad" points IMO are:
-Everything is incredibly cheap (don't get me started on the animated parts), and gross (the lady running with close ups on her body) etc... It is both a good thing (it made me laugh, how could they do something that bad?) and a bad thing, because I could imagine something similar with the same subject, but less cheap in its making, something that looks good but still funny. It could have been a really good clubbing PV. This PV had so much potential. In the end it is just funny, that's it.
-The end. I don't get it. Why ayu had to play the role (get an asian lady from the beginning...)? And the message is weird, even if I don't really care.

So I love when she surprise me, and I could have been more surprised! It is just that she could have something similar but artistically good, areal clubbing PV and not just a funny and cheap PV.

kimmeh 27th November 2013 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3044138)
How dare this japanese singer use a japanese point of view and the japanese view of beauty for her japanese video aimed to the japanese marketing?

Gosh! So racist! :P

It has nothing to do with racism for me, but the fact that it went from chubby western girl to hottie slim asian is just a bit too confusing. If it's how people say that he "finally sees her inner beauty", it's weird that it changes ethnicity :p They should have just put ayu in a fatsuit

mizuki-7 27th November 2013 09:54 PM

There are nothing to analyse in this MV ! It's just a funny clip who could be a scene of an humoristic movie about love ^^ The animate scenes looks a little cheap but otherwise like I said it looks like an american movie =)

hidekirby 27th November 2013 09:54 PM

There IS definitely a problem with the ending.
It is so unclear and can lead to bad interpretations that can stain ayu's image.
I personally expected to see the fat girl with the guy just before the end to underline the fact that the "ayu persona" is just the way the other girl sees herself now. Like that movie with Gwyneth Paltrow.
Another good ending would have been the girl REALLY turning into a bimbo, then when she sees the man at the end, he is kissing a fat girl or sharing fried chicken with her haha... It would have been way funnier and clearer this way. Yet the "you can get what you want with hard work" message wouldn't be there.

esprit85 27th November 2013 10:01 PM

worst PV ever, Ayu... you can do it so much better! I'm speechless.... :thud

mi|kshake 27th November 2013 10:05 PM

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my problems with the video were:

- the subliminal message and how "wrong"it can be perceived
- Ayu looks bimbotic and embarrassing in the last scene. she can't... flirt with boys lol. that was so awkward.
Yes! I agree, it feels like we're all supposed to be laughing at the girl in the video because she's overweight or something. It doesn't come across right to me, but I'm sure that wasn't the intention.

It makes me think of that video (I wanna say it's Avicii but I'm not sure that's right - it's totally escaping me right now!) which features the girl talking to her counsellor saying something like "I go to work everyday, I go home, all I'm really doing is dying" except that's a really good video!

(I could do without Ayu's appearance at the end too - it seems so tacked on. And so much for James Ellis "starring" in the PV)

I hope Merry-go-Round is better.

emi♡ 27th November 2013 10:11 PM

My only problem, is that. You know, Ayu could have gotten the EXACT SAME message across, if she had just starred in it herself.

She didn't even have to be overweight :/ It could have just been Ayu at the beginning, maybe in boring clothes or something, crushing on the guy. Then she gets determined to be her best and she runs everywhere.

Then at the end the guy ignores the her before, but then she comes out all pretty as her real self, and they're all happy.

Same message. No body shaming.

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I think some people are taking the "lose weight" interpretations too literally. I don't think AT ALL, that, it was Ayu's message to us. I don't think it was her intention to offend or say "you have to look like ___________."

The problem is that she was stupid and inconsiderate when pushing her own message.


Someone pointed this out somewhere else too, but the video is also, a bit of a disservice to men. Saying that, they wouldn't notice a person who isn't -whatever ideal- of beauty. The ending is completely abhorrent.


I agree that this is for the Japanese market, and it fits. But it's still really disappointing to see in someone like Ayu, who you'd think would be above being so petty.

kimmeh 27th November 2013 10:16 PM

^ she kinda did that in my names WOMEN. Nerdy and insecure to hottie winning everyone over. But I agree, she should have done it. Or at least done something slightly more like Shallow Hal(the age old movie) make it more obvious that thats how HE sees her, and that she still looks like she did in the start to everyone who doesnt know her.

emi♡ 27th November 2013 10:24 PM

yeah, I just feel like the "this is how he sees her now" interpretation is really slighted by how he ignores the fat girl when she calls him. Why didn't he just turn around, and then -yey- she's beautiful Ayu now.

At least it would have better insinuated that she's the same person.

And that's completely ignoring the question of why she has to turn into ayu in the first place.


But anyway. I don't even really think we need interpretations tbh. I think the message is obvious that it's work hard, and be the best you.

It's just done in really bad taste.

njanjayrp 27th November 2013 10:29 PM

I didn't think the girl was laughable. You people are over-analyzing the PV and you are looking way too much into it. It's fine if you're overweight, but people who are as fat as this girl is need to loose weight for their own good. So no matter what you see and how you look at it, being fat isn't healthy and in all honesty it doesn't look pretty either. I doubt many would turn around, I know I prolly wouldn't...it's not something to be proud of, but different people are attracted to different things and shouldn't be judged the same way they aren't judging the people who are fine with being fat.

//ABEST 27th November 2013 10:37 PM

first you complain about boyfriend-girlfriend stories and when you get this, you wanna have a video where ayu gets her dream guy?

i think this is so different and wasn't expecting anything like this so i really enjoy it. :)

if we are going to analyze about that story, best comment comes from some user from facebook

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Did anyone care to look at the PV from a different perspective? The girl in the video fell in love with the guy with the balloons and Ayu just made a cute appearance at the end with a different guy. The video doesn't have anything to do with changing your appearance. It has to do with feeling better and working hard to be happy and find love.
Stop judging artists work with such a negative attitude and maybe you can actually find the true and positive meaning within it all.
People need to get over themselves.. 4real.
i don't think ayu is trying to give us a message which says BE HOT ASIAN LIKE ME SO U CAN GET A HOT GUY

emi♡ 27th November 2013 10:40 PM

^^There is a difference between someone just having a preference, and then someone having to become someone else just to be accepted.

And, it's fine if someone's overweight, but just not THIS overweight? How fat can people be or not be? What gives you the right to make the decision that someone else needs to lose weight?

Nothing lol


I don't think there is over-analyzing going on lol It's right in your face. Other people were already like "omg people are gonna take this negatively!" Hmm. I wonder why that is! Maybe because everything is right in front of you. Completely obvious, brainless, and bad.


Whatever. I'm glad that there are still people with brains at this forum. Sometimes I think that, the real deciding factor in some of us changing and no longer liking her PVs, is that we've grown up, and no longer accept bullshit. I'm done.


Let's just say that she falls in love with the balloon guy, and then Ayu just randomly appears. That makes her look better. I can do that.

Kazeyomi 27th November 2013 10:44 PM

I'm shocked how people are overreacting over a stupid PV. As if Ayu was singing "Feel the lawl" while choking puppies and eat hamburgers in front of starving children.

I'm happy she's finally trying something new, even though it turned out as a cheap PV. Maybe the inner beauty~ message was delivered better on how beautiful you are PV, but I don't really see anything offensive on Feel the love PV neither. Nobody is making fun of the fat girl, she's determinated to make herself feels better. She looks way better than Ayu who's acting stupid at the end.

I don't know guys, seriously you're taking too seriously this damn PV. Or maybe my point of view is different from yours, and I'm ok with this :shrug

orbitalaspect 27th November 2013 10:45 PM

My only concern was I felt it played on Japanese stereotypes of Americans a little too much. I think the actress feeling comfortable to parody her weight and stuff is great, but I think the video just buys into Japanese stereotypes that Americans are fat slobs. The cartoon of the girl doesn't depict her in a flattering light at all.

At the end, I wasn't sure what the point was. I didn't see how the video tied into the song at all. Sure, the girl danced... sure, she felt love. But this video sincerely lacks the substance of even something like crossroad or MOON.

I'm so happy Ayumi is back with a single, but I'm disappointed the PVs were getting better with Missing and S4U, and then this happened.

kimmeh 27th November 2013 10:51 PM

^ Very stereotypical :p like how about she dries her sweat with a chicken drumstick? :p

edit: for the people who are yelling at people for taking it too serious, why are you bothered by the discussion? Let people discuss what they want, it's only natural to be curious about this very un-ayu like choices she's made in this pv. I don't think any of us are going around with a gruge for ayu after this vid, people just wanna explain how they interpreted this. It's not Miley Cyrus who you can discuss with all your friends, its ayu, and most of us might not have so many friends who are into her they can discuss this with, so it all ends up here on the forum :p

Kazeyomi 27th November 2013 11:14 PM

^
I know what you mean, but I read posts that are really REALLY overanalyzes the PV. In both good and bad way. And I don't get it, because I don't see anything meaningful nor offensive.

But that's my opinion.

If there are people who can express their dislike for this PV, I can say people are taking the PV too seriously as well.

SheFliesHigher 27th November 2013 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by orbitalaspect (Post 3044222)
My only concern was I felt it played on Japanese stereotypes of Americans a little too much. I think the actress feeling comfortable to parody her weight and stuff is great, but I think the video just buys into Japanese stereotypes that Americans are fat slobs. The cartoon of the girl doesn't depict her in a flattering light at all.

Spot on!

Plus, it's all well and good to lose weight for your health / self-esteem, but losing weight simply to impress some shallow d-bag of a guy is a terrible message to send. I felt really happy during the scene when the woman got her hair and makeup done. She looked great and, more importantly, happy and confident! But then she just transformed into Ayu in a really tacky dress. Wth is that?

A better ending would have been the woman running right past the guy and continuing to have fun with her life.

I'm disappointed in Ayu. Seriously.

ayumisrael 27th November 2013 11:27 PM

^If she went for the balloon guy then no one transformed to anyone.

Minttulatte 27th November 2013 11:35 PM

And I forgot the guy with balloons completely. I was under the impression that fat girl wanted to be with him but now that someone mentioned that other dude, I think the girl was in love with him and not with this fitness guy with too much muscles on. Muscle guy was Ayu's man and the balloon guy fat girl's. :D It makes more sense too since the ending just doesn't make any sense. :D

marty 27th November 2013 11:50 PM

Didn't the girl had a photo of this guy she was looking adoringly? If the guy in the photo isn't the muscle model, than there we have the answer. (I don't bother to check, because I dislike the PV for cheapness, not the storyline, so I don't feel like watching it again, lol)

Yoake 27th November 2013 11:50 PM

^Yes it's the muscle guys who is on the pic. But you can take as she fell in love with another guys (balloons) at the end. After all, the first one doesn't pay attention to her the first time he turned over.

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Originally Posted by //ABEST (Post 3044219)
first you complain about boyfriend-girlfriend stories and when you get this, you wanna have a video where ayu gets her dream guy?

i think this is so different and wasn't expecting anything like this so i really enjoy it. :)

if we are going to analyze about that story, best comment comes from some user from facebook



i don't think ayu is trying to give us a message which says BE HOT ASIAN LIKE ME SO U CAN GET A HOT GUY

Nice point of view. Thanks for sharing.

I love the fact that people brings different point of view and interpretations about a same pv.

BlackSilence 27th November 2013 11:51 PM

lol what if they both see each other as a hot person? lol Love's blind after all xD would make perfect sense xD

on the other hand like people said she went after the baloon dude and the hottie turned around to see wth just happened there xD

SheFliesHigher 27th November 2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoake (Post 3043930)
Love the pv. Totally different from what she did before. It's fresh, funny & colourful. For me the messages behind this pv are:
1) if you work hard you'll be able to reach your goal
2) If you accept yourself, you'll look great & beautiful in the eyes of others.
=> to accept yourself isn't as easy as you can think. It can take a lot of time & work to be able to do it. (it's why we see the girl runs and does sport during several days)

I don't think the message is : lose weight to be accepted by guys, girls. If it was that, we'll see the fat girl becomes thin. But here, the guys sees her differently....as a different person from what she was at the beginning (before she accepted herself as she is). It's why she turns into Ayu & she didn't slim down.

For me, this pv gets an international message too. The look of others on some people are formed by our societies (for example you never see fat people as model for a fashion magazine). The society want us to be as its wants, for example, thin. For me, Ayu denounce that. It's why she amplifies her acting at the end to look ridiculous...she wants us to laugh about that & wants us to stop to think that these things are the right thing to do or the most important things to do, to feel good about yourself. The first step is to accept yourself as you are & not to mould youself according to society's standarts.

Well, I don't know if what I wrote is really clear! Sorry >.<

You must be exhausted after all those mental gymnastics you just did to try and scrape a positive message out of this video. The Bro at the end completely dismisses the woman at first. He turns, see her, clearly thinks, "Oh, it's just that fatty," and turns away. It's not until the second time, when she's replaced by Ayu, that he acts really excited. So it seems sparkling crystal clear that he did not "see her differently," or else why didn't he see her differently the first time he turned around? And why is this "different" form the exact same standard of beauty society has been pushing (thin, heavily made-up, skanky dress, outrageous flirty behavior)?

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. There are a lot of ways to show someone "working hard" besides having them exercise and zooming in on jiggling fat rolls. There are clearer ways to show someone "accepting themselves" than to have a fat American woman transform into a hot Asian chick. The animation segments make the woman look like a reptilian freak and the humor is done at her expense. Ayu is just doing some bad, overdone acting at the end, not trying to be satirical.

The fat woman didn't get with the balloon guy, either. She wasn't even looking at him. It's amazing what some of you people come up with to make this video match your perception of Ayu as someone who can do no wrong.

ayu-michan 28th November 2013 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by drdolce (Post 3044229)
And I forgot the guy with balloons completely. I was under the impression that fat girl wanted to be with him but now that someone mentioned that other dude, I think the girl was in love with him and not with this fitness guy with too much muscles on. Muscle guy was Ayu's man and the balloon guy fat girl's. :D It makes more sense too since the ending just doesn't make any sense. :D

Good theory. I checked the guy in the beginning and I can't really tell if that's James Ellis or not. But if it's not, then he must be Ayu's man since the beginning. Holy shit what if we've been seeing this PV wrong this whole time :rofl

Either way, I enjoyed watching it. I don't think of it as offensive at all, even though I knew for sure fans would flip the fuck out by seeing the stereotypical fat American girl. I don't take this PV seriously, there's no difference because honestly Ayu is still bizarre as always. Is there any PV that she's not doing something weird?

Coelacanth 28th November 2013 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by orbitalaspect (Post 3044222)
I think the actress feeling comfortable to parody her weight and stuff is great, but I think the video just buys into Japanese stereotypes that Americans are fat slobs.

We are though... Are you an obesity denialist? Do you need statistics for the amount of overweight people in this country and the projections by 2050? It's not pretty.

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Originally Posted by marty (Post 3044231)
Didn't the girl had a photo of this guy she was looking adoringly?

Yes, lol. It was the muscle man. The balloon guy likely had no significance in the video.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 12:03 AM

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It's amazing what some of you people come up with to make this video match your perception of Ayu as someone who can do no wrong.
I don't think it's that necessarily, but with Ayu, I don't think there's any reason to assume that she's going with the 'wrong' message. When has Ayu ever promoted such things in her career? She has always been about "you are beautiful the way you are..." and such. I mean we could go ahead and ask people like James or Ayu what the 'message' is since they know the storyline from the script, but I am going to guess even that won't be enough for anyone who feels that this PV is pushing some kind of horrible message.

When it comes to Ayu, when has the simplest explanation ever been the correct one?

jbrat2219 28th November 2013 12:08 AM

You know some of you who are trying to defend woman in the video because of her weight are truly doing her a disservice.

Yes, some of it was a little offensive (the chicken wing for example) and the ending is questionable. But throughout the entire PV she was funny (entertaining at least), charismatic and clearly confident. After a while I didn't even notice her weight. And I think that was the point of the video. At the end of it all, whether ayu was suppose to be her inner beauty or not, it was a fun, lighthearted video. It's not that serious.

And by the way, there is nothing wrong with wanting to improve yourself by working out. That's nothing to be ashamed of. As far as health is concerned, being overweight is not a good thing. It's not fat-shaming if the character in the video wanted to lose weight. And it wasn't the only thing she did to improve herself, she also went to the beauty shop and bought a new dress. Are we suppose to feel she was shamed because of that as well?

I'm not saying the video was perfectly executed, there were a lot of things that could have been done better. But some of you are being dramatic as usual over a silly music video.

AyumiAi 28th November 2013 12:08 AM

I was super afraid to watch this cuz it looked cheap just from the thumbnail, but tbh even tho it was ayu looking glitz and dramatic and epic, i really enjoyed it! It was really funny and ayu looked amazing in the short parts she was in ^^ It was a nice berath of fresh air

truehappiness 28th November 2013 12:10 AM

I'm glad this PV turned out the way it did.

If it were a generic glitter pt.7 / random Lady DynamiteNaNaNa club crawl, I don't think anyone would be remotely as interested. I know people say they would have preferred it, but come on. I don't think ANYONE wanted that kind of thing.

SheFliesHigher 28th November 2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044239)
I don't think it's that necessarily, but with Ayu, I don't think there's any reason to assume that she's going with the 'wrong' message. When has Ayu ever promoted such things in her career?

I don't think she's actively trying to promote a negative message; I just think she (and / or the people she worked with on this video) half-baked some ideas and executed them without any grace or nuance. They think they're being funny without realizing greater implications.

emi♡ 28th November 2013 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SheFliesHigher (Post 3044236)
You must be exhausted after all those mental gymnastics you just did to try and scrape a positive message out of this video.

omg lol
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Originally Posted by ayu-michan (Post 3044237)
Either way, I enjoyed watching it. I don't think of it as offensive at all, even though I knew for sure fans would flip the fuck out by seeing the stereotypical fat American girl.

buuuttt that's not even the offensive part lol

And you know, the video is fine overall, about you know, working out and wanting to be what you think is your best. Like I said, it was just done in bad taste, or perhaps, just to cater to that market.


The other thing is. You know I said this earlier, but it's interesting to me, how seriously or not seriously, people take the little things in our cultures and languages that marginalize people.

Like I said, what if I was going around saying "omg this music video is so retarded". Using "retarded" as a synonym for "stupid".

Now some people take that sort of thing very seriously, and other people don't.


In any case, I was happy with what someone just posted at another forum:
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Noticing these kinds of things doesn't make you overly sensitive it just makes you more aware.

Coelacanth 28th November 2013 12:19 AM

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Feel the love
You and me
Night 'n' day

Feel the love, feel the love, we can dance all night
Feel the love, feel the love, we can dance all night

I'll smile widely when I get around
The next corner – that's what I decided
There are also times when my heart aches
And I feel like I'm about to break

But why would it be wrong to try and follow my racing heartbeat
And to consider the present the most important?

Feel the love, feel the love, we can dance all night
Feel the love, feel the love, we can dance all night

You and me, you and me, we can feel the love tonight
You and me, you and me, we can feel the love tonight

I often hear
"I won't tell you 'I told you so'
But isn't it time you learned your lesson?"
Even so, in reality, what is true love?

Is there anyone who has never lost his way?
After all, we all have memories; the records of our past

Feel the love, feel the love, we can dance all night
Feel the love, feel the love, we can dance all night

Night 'n' day I'll be searching for my love
Night 'n' day I'll be searching for my love

Feel the love
You and me
Night 'n' day

Feel the love, feel the love, we can dance all night
I get a different feeling when I watch the video with the lyrics in mind. I don't think Ayu necessarily condones what the protagonist is doing (getting in shape solely to meet some douchey guy's expectations). I think she's trying to convey that some people do crazy things in the name of love, and this probably mirrors some of the choices Ayu has made with her past relationships. Imagine how many people have probably told the protagonist, including her own friends, "you don't have a chance with this dude, blah, blah. You're fine the way you are!" and at the end she ends up getting the guy. It's a trite message, but I think it's a little inspiring. Being "fine the way we are" doesn't always get us what we want. We have to stop breeding this mentality of mediocrity and entitlement in Western society, and instead need to find a balance between being a little hard on ourselves and loving things about ourselves that we cannot change.

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 3044241)
And by the way, there is nothing wrong with wanting to improve yourself by working out. That's nothing to be ashamed of. As far as health is concerned, being overweight is not a good thing. It's not fat-shaming if the character in the video wanted to lose weight. And it wasn't the only thing she did to improve herself, she also went to the beauty shop and bought a new dress. Are we suppose to feel she was shamed because of that as well?

This.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 12:20 AM

I really don't get why people are on such a crusade to find justification in being so offended by this video. It's veering into Tumblr-privilege levels to be honest.

happiholic★ 28th November 2013 12:22 AM

^Well, it works both ways. Some people are hell bent on justifying it, too. Both sides are getting intense. But, this is a forum. What other purpose are we here for?

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3044218)
I didn't think the girl was laughable. You people are over-analyzing the PV and you are looking way too much into it. It's fine if you're overweight, but people who are as fat as this girl is need to loose weight for their own good. So no matter what you see and how you look at it, being fat isn't healthy and in all honesty it doesn't look pretty either. I doubt many would turn around, I know I prolly wouldn't...it's not something to be proud of, but different people are attracted to different things and shouldn't be judged the same way they aren't judging the people who are fine with being fat.

While I am completely against glorifying obesity in order to put a band-aid over the issue, I still found your post a touch rude. And while you were trying to defend the PV, which is fine, the bulk of your post contradicts the message you were initially trying to defend. You're saying this girl is unhealthily over weight without any evidence. Not everyone can be super skinny. On top of that you are flat out calling her ugly based on her weight, and even say "who would?" like others share your personal views. Like she's so disgusting and undatable simply for not having your ideal body weight. And saying she shouldn't be proud of her body kinda goes against the message I think Ayu was trying to send.

Obesity is a much larger issue than people who have no self control and eat too much, therefore are somehow lesser beings. I don't think that we should be saying, "Oh, honey eat all you want and get fat, being fat is sexy anyway!". No, we should be getting people the help that they need. Find out why they are so dependent on food. In the meantime, they do need to learn to love themselves, for the person that they are and the body that they are in. When they finally decide to lose weight, it should be to live a healthier, longer life. No to gain the attention of the opposite sex.

Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but then I would say the meaning of your post was more poorly presented than the PV.


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Originally Posted by kimmeh (Post 3044224)
^ Very stereotypical :p like how about she dries her sweat with a chicken drumstick? :p

edit: for the people who are yelling at people for taking it too serious, why are you bothered by the discussion? Let people discuss what they want, it's only natural to be curious about this very un-ayu like choices she's made in this pv. I don't think any of us are going around with a gruge for ayu after this vid, people just wanna explain how they interpreted this. It's not Miley Cyrus who you can discuss with all your friends, its ayu, and most of us might not have so many friends who are into her they can discuss this with, so it all ends up here on the forum :p

Basically how I feel about forums. Took the words right out of my head.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 12:27 AM

For a lot of people though, this is the 'end of Ayu' as they know it and her 'worst video ever'. It's just one music video in a sea of many to come.

It's a bit like when Santino Rice said that Alyssa Edwards had the 'worst dress on the five seasons he has been on the show', when there have clearly been worse. There are a handful of PVs that Ayu has that are probably worse than this.

Yoake 28th November 2013 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 3044249)
I get a different feeling when I watch the video with the lyrics in mind. I don't think Ayu necessarily condones what the protagonist is doing (getting in shape solely to meet some douchey guy's expectations). I think she's trying to convey that some people do crazy things in the name of love, and this probably mirrors some of the choices Ayu has made with her past relationships. Imagine how many people have probably told the protagonist, including her own friends, "you don't have a chance with this dude, blah, blah. You're fine the way you are!" and at the end she ends up getting the guy. It's a trite message, but I think it's a little inspiring. Being "fine the way we are" doesn't always get us what we want. We have to stop breeding this mentality of mediocrity and entitlement in Western society, and instead need to find a balance between being a little hard on ourselves and loving things about ourselves that we cannot change.

Interesting :)

adantatu2 28th November 2013 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 3044196)
At least the video does the song justice (both are dog shit).

Lol. XD

I'm glad i don't have high hopes for this PV, is kinda funny, but honestly i will never watch again this video because ayu is just there like 10 seconds on a screen.

happiholic★ 28th November 2013 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044254)
For a lot of people though, this is the 'end of Ayu' as they know it and her 'worst video ever'. It's just one music video in a sea of many to come.

It's a bit like when Santino Rice said that Alyssa Edwards had the 'worst dress on the five seasons he has been on the show', when there have clearly been worse. There are a handful of PVs that Ayu has that are probably worse than this.

And there are times when people call something, "THE BEST VIDEO EVER!! NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD CAN COMPARE!". It works both ways. Let drama queens, from both sides, be drama queens. If people wanna stop being an Ayu fan over a PV, that's their own stupidity.

Also, Alyssa is the BEST DRAG QUEEN EVER BETTER THAN ALL OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN AND THOSE WHO WILL COME.

Seriously, though. I love Alyssa. She's my favorite contestant from that show. Backrolls, baby!

marty 28th November 2013 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044244)
I'm glad this PV turned out the way it did.

If it were a generic glitter pt.7 / random Lady DynamiteNaNaNa club crawl, I don't think anyone would be remotely as interested. I know people say they would have preferred it, but come on. I don't think ANYONE wanted that kind of thing.

I did, I DIIIIIID!! LOL XD Lady Dynamite was exactly what I had in mind for Feel the love.
Of course, doing new stuff is a good thing, if the thing is done properly (which in this case wasn't for me). She could have worked a club party concept very well in my opinion, but, well, it wasn't her vision this time, lol.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happiholic★ (Post 3044258)
And there are times when people call something, "THE BEST VIDEO EVER!! NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD CAN COMPARE!". It works both ways. Let drama queens, from both sides, be drama queens. If people wanna stop being an Ayu fan over a PV, that's their own stupidity.

Also, Alyssa is the BEST DRAG QUEEN EVER BETTER THAN ALL OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN AND THOSE WHO WILL COME.

Seriously, though. I love Alyssa. She's my favorite contestant from that show. Backrolls, baby!

Y'all can't take this... look how fuckin' offended you look! I'M NOT JOKIN', BITCH.

But really, I think it's better to have people saying that this is the 'best video ever' even though it probably isn't (this happens a lot with GaGa fans I think) than people who are always saying this is the end of a career. (I don't think anyone has said this is the best video ever anyway...) Can you imagine that people were saying that Ayu was 'over' during the Memorial address / MY STORY era?

We even got these sorts of comments around the time glitter/fated came out and how that was her 'worst single ever' up until that point. No no no!

I'm looking forward to what else the Merry-go-round PV will bring since it seems like it could balance out the 'fun/crazy' that Feel the love has both musically and visually. Feel the love is like the crazy sister and Merry-go-round is the one that wrangles her in.

(On a related note, this entire thing is reminding me of the "Kristin Cabarararariariri" thing that Manila did that Shangela got utterly offended over because "Manila isn't Chinese/Japanese".)

ayu-michan 28th November 2013 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 3044249)
I get a different feeling when I watch the video with the lyrics in mind. I don't think Ayu necessarily condones what the protagonist is doing (getting in shape solely to meet some douchey guy's expectations). I think she's trying to convey that some people do crazy things in the name of love, and this probably mirrors some of the choices Ayu has made with her past relationships. Imagine how many people have probably told the protagonist, including her own friends, "you don't have a chance with this dude, blah, blah. You're fine the way you are!" and at the end she ends up getting the guy. It's a trite message, but I think it's a little inspiring. Being "fine the way we are" doesn't always get us what we want. We have to stop breeding this mentality of mediocrity and entitlement in Western society, and instead need to find a balance between being a little hard on ourselves and loving things about ourselves that we cannot change.

Kind of what I'm thinking too. Reading the lyrics made much more sense.

I think this just really depends on each person's perspective. To me it just always seems like Ayu's message is much more greater than all the bull about being fat or skinny. That's why I don't care much about the PV, her lyrics are the most important, and we should consider the lyrics more to the song.

jbrat2219 28th November 2013 12:49 AM

This isn't like main stream news media where we pretend everything is equal. :laugh

Positivity is better than negativity. And even if you don't like something, there's no reason to be so hostile about it.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 12:53 AM

Exactly.

I'm pretty sure "its bullshit" isn't a very good discussion starter. It's about the same as "I hate this and I never want to watch it again. Worst ever.", really.

I could see Ayu-from-a-few-years-ago doing this video, but the furthest back is probably 2005 since she never really got all silly until around then. I mean we got Startin' and Beautiful Fighters in the same year that she decided she wanted to go with a bit of a Western and adult flair to her 'image' compared to what she had done from 1998-2004.

kotora 28th November 2013 12:55 AM

I don't get how a white fat girl becomes ayu (an slim asian girl) within 5 minutes.

DonkeyKongRemix 28th November 2013 01:00 AM

I loved the lead. She was way too cute. I would have liked it better if it was her in the end getting the guy because when they showed her all dolled up with the white dress after getting her hair done, I was like, "there you go, she looks adorable!"

I know some people felt it was cheap. I liked the animation, it was so cute. I thought the end was a tad superficial, but then I get the whole "gotta work for what you want" kind of thing.

emi♡ 28th November 2013 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kotora (Post 3044267)
I don't get how a white fat girl becomes ayu (an slim asian girl) within 5 minutes.

Well she was running for like the length of the entire video, something spectacular better fucking happen after we were forced to watch all that lol


I liked the animation, except for the part where she was on the broom and it looked like she had no pants on. Like. what.

jbrat2219 28th November 2013 01:06 AM

I guess I just don't have expensive tastes at all because I didn't find the animation cheap at all. It felt appropriate considering the silliness of the video.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 01:07 AM

http://i.imgur.com/jV1rfWU.gif
The struggle is real.

WTF is that pink thing that is floating on the building when she falls?

jbrat2219 28th November 2013 01:09 AM

^ HAHAHAHAHAHA I love that part!

In You & Me, ayu got knocked down. This time it was a poor jogger lol.

happiholic★ 28th November 2013 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044261)
Y'all can't take this... look how fuckin' offended you look! I'M NOT JOKIN', BITCH.

But really, I think it's better to have people saying that this is the 'best video ever' even though it probably isn't (this happens a lot with GaGa fans I think) than people who are always saying this is the end of a career. (I don't think anyone has said this is the best video ever anyway...) Can you imagine that people were saying that Ayu was 'over' during the Memorial address / MY STORY era?

We even got these sorts of comments around the time glitter/fated came out and how that was her 'worst single ever' up until that point. No no no!

I'm looking forward to what else the Merry-go-round PV will bring since it seems like it could balance out the 'fun/crazy' that Feel the love has both musically and visually. Feel the love is like the crazy sister and Merry-go-round is the one that wrangles her in.

(On a related note, this entire thing is reminding me of the "Kristin Cabarararariariri" thing that Manila did that Shangela got utterly offended over because "Manila isn't Chinese/Japanese".)

I still can't get over the mass amounts of hate towards the Sunrise/Sunset covers. Maybe they weren't the best shots ever, but I honestly liked them. They were not as bad as people were making them sound.

Gaga fans... Not even gonna touch that fire.

And Shangela is just a booger. Manila is sickening. My favorite Heather <3. Oh, no. Carmen is. :P

truehappiness 28th November 2013 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 3044273)
^ HAHAHAHAHAHA I love that part!

In You & Me, ayu got knocked down. This time it was a poor jogger lol.

Yeah, they were just trying to run a marathon or whatever too, haha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by happiholic★ (Post 3044274)
I still can't get over the mass amounts of hate towards the Sunrise/Sunset covers. Maybe they weren't the best shots ever, but I honestly liked them. They were not as bad as people were making them sound.

Gaga fans... Not even gonna touch that fire.

And Shangela is just a booger. Manila is sickening. My favorite Heather <3. Oh, no. Carmen is. :P

Yeah, Sunrise/Sunset were not HORRIBLE, but I'd have preferred if at least her face wasn't so manipulated in post since we know that she looked great in that shoot she did for the calendar so wtf happened with the Sunrise photos? They should have had her in that long dress instead of the bikini/bra-combo probably too. Stylist, why you do this?

Also here's the pink thing.

http://i.imgur.com/brsSAAE.jpg
Is it Ayu?

And I may or may not have met RuPaul a month ago. Heathers are great. February 2014.

love in music 28th November 2013 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SheFliesHigher (Post 3044236)
You must be exhausted after all those mental gymnastics you just did to try and scrape a positive message out of this video. The Bro at the end completely dismisses the woman at first. He turns, see her, clearly thinks, "Oh, it's just that fatty," and turns away. It's not until the second time, when she's replaced by Ayu, that he acts really excited. So it seems sparkling crystal clear that he did not "see her differently," or else why didn't he see her differently the first time he turned around? And why is this "different" form the exact same standard of beauty society has been pushing (thin, heavily made-up, skanky dress, outrageous flirty behavior)?

The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. There are a lot of ways to show someone "working hard" besides having them exercise and zooming in on jiggling fat rolls. There are clearer ways to show someone "accepting themselves" than to have a fat American woman transform into a hot Asian chick. The animation segments make the woman look like a reptilian freak and the humor is done at her expense. Ayu is just doing some bad, overdone acting at the end, not trying to be satirical.

The fat woman didn't get with the balloon guy, either. She wasn't even looking at him. It's amazing what some of you people come up with to make this video match your perception of Ayu as someone who can do no wrong.

I love you.

happiholic★ 28th November 2013 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044275)
Yeah, Sunrise/Sunset were not HORRIBLE, but I'd have preferred if at least her face wasn't so manipulated in post since we know that she looked great in that shoot she did for the calendar so wtf happened with the Sunrise photos? They should have had her in that long dress instead of the bikini/bra-combo probably too. Stylist, why you do this?

And I may or may not have met RuPaul a month ago. Heathers are great. February 2014.

I just love tan/gyaru-ish Ayu. And tropical shit. So, I was happy. I don't care how they manipulate her face. Its not like we are ever going to see Ayu as soon as she wakes up in the morning :P

(Honestly, I wish they photoshopped Kuu a little more. Or at least did her make up better. I stan for her, but sometimes I think she's kinda fug.)

OMG you met my true Queen I love her omg I hate you RuPaul owns my soul luv you Ru pics or it didn't happen.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happiholic★ (Post 3044277)
I just love tan/gyaru-ish Ayu. And tropical shit. So, I was happy. I don't care how they manipulate her face. Its not like we are ever going to see Ayu as soon as she wakes up in the morning :P

(Honestly, I wish they photoshopped Kuu a little more. Or at least did her make up better.)

OMG you met my true Queen I love her omg I hate you RuPaul owns my soul luv you Ru pics or it didn't happen.

Well, it's because sometimes in Shimoko pictures, her face is manipulated to the point where they start messing too much with her facial shape and she just looks like a blob.

Example of the face here:


And here.


happiholic★ 28th November 2013 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044278)
Well, it's because sometimes in Shimoko pictures, her face is manipulated to the point where they start messing too much with her facial shape and she just looks like a blob.

Example of the face here:


And here.


Haha, fair point on the Ayu pics. That is pretty bad. Kinda looks like Miliyah, though :P

OMG, Ru <3333333333 Where did you meet her?

truehappiness 28th November 2013 01:39 AM

Quote:

浜崎あゆみ / Feel the love (short ver.)
^ at the YouTube page now...

Is there another twist or something? Or did avex just get stupid and upload the full version but not realize it at all? I'm confused and also amused if there is a teeny bit more to the PV.

And at Ru's first convention.

No_Doubt 28th November 2013 01:46 AM

How high was Ayu when she approved the concept for this video?

ayu-michan 28th November 2013 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044281)
^ at the YouTube page now...

Is there another twist or something? Or did avex just get stupid and upload the full version but not realize it at all? I'm confused and also amused if there is a teeny bit more to the PV.

Something weird is definitely going on here lol....

♥ you! 28th November 2013 01:54 AM

mess

emi♡ 28th November 2013 02:11 AM

I really think people need to stop bringing up the Sunrise/Sunset covers.

We don't need to be reminded of how bad they are, and we don't need to be reminded of who thinks they're good. Cause. :/


It would actually be cool if this was the short version, or some other version, and the real pv had more ayu in it.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emi♡ (Post 3044287)
I really think people need to stop bringing up the Sunrise/Sunset covers.

We don't need to be reminded of how bad they are, and we don't need to be reminded of who thinks they're good. Cause. :/

I think people should be able to bring up whatever they want, really.

hidekirby 28th November 2013 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emi♡ (Post 3044269)
I liked the animation, except for the part where she was on the broom and it looked like she had no pants on. Like. what.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices it!
Man, the animated parts are SO bad they are amazing! You have to be a genius to do something that cheap haha. :luv2

This Pv is really a breath of fresh air.

pchan1986 28th November 2013 02:17 AM

I thought the pv was cute, funny, and different. although I was shocked the majority of the time, I still managed to enjoy it. out of this single, merry go round is my fav. track so feel the love, to me, is a bonus.

emi♡ 28th November 2013 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hidekirby (Post 3044289)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices it!
Man, the animated parts are SO bad they are amazing! You have to be a genius to do something that cheap haha. :luv2

This Pv is really a breath of fresh air.

I actually really like that 60s throwback animation. It's hard for me to say it looks cheap cause like, this is how its supposed to look lol
Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044288)
I think people should be able to bring up whatever they want, really.

Sure you do.

hidekirby 28th November 2013 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emi♡ (Post 3044291)
^I actually really like that 60s throwback animation. It's hard for me to say it looks cheap cause like, this is how its supposed to look lol

Well the 50's 60's animation was indeed kinda cheap, but because of that artists managed to make a little revolution in the industry, trying to do new things with the small budgets they had, trying something different and new. This was a great period as regards animation/design.

I'm myself fond of that era and you can trust me, the animation used for the PV is really (really) cheap haha! But it was obviously done to look this way. This can be the only reason.

emi♡ 28th November 2013 02:25 AM

Interesting.

Well maybe they went for this look just so it stays funny...or something lol

happiholic★ 28th November 2013 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emi♡ (Post 3044287)
I really think people need to stop bringing up the Sunrise/Sunset covers.

We don't need to be reminded of how bad they are, and we don't need to be reminded of who thinks they're good. Cause. :/

Sorry, but its a forum and its not against the rules, so I'm gonna bring up what I want to. Actually, I'm not even sorry.

emi♡ 28th November 2013 02:32 AM

I don't see why you would be lol

jbrat2219 28th November 2013 02:34 AM

From what I'm reading on mixi, some Japanese fans don't like it, some do. But most find it interesting.

truehappiness 28th November 2013 02:36 AM

I hope they at least think it's funny or cute. That's the reaction I saw outside of the usual "oh my god Ayu what are you doing" posts.

kimmeh 28th November 2013 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happiholic★ (Post 3044294)
Sorry, but its a forum and its not against the rules, so I'm gonna bring up what I want to. Actually, I'm not even sorry.

:laugh
my way of thinking too, how dull wouldn't this forum be if we had to praise everything ayu did?

truehappiness 28th November 2013 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kimmeh (Post 3044298)
:laugh
my way of thinking too, how dull wouldn't this forum be if we had to praise everything ayu did?

I don't think it'd be dull, but it would certainly be a bit closer to what I usually experience at fan forums. Lately, I've felt like when it comes to Ayu's new works and this forum, this place is constant criticism without any potential solutions with very few positive voices.

Like... how else could she have done this PV? What could she have done differently with the arrangement of Feel the love? Though there are things that are reasonable and those that are not, haha.

jbrat2219 28th November 2013 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044297)
I hope they at least think it's funny or cute. That's the reaction I saw outside of the usual "oh my god Ayu what are you doing" posts.

I think the biggest complaint I saw was how ero-kawaii ayu's dress was. They said she's been showing her boobs too much xD

CoriKaru 28th November 2013 02:43 AM

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1...ps909b43d7.gif

Fall down a fat betch, get up a flop? *CancelsGymMembership*

ayumi's career has flatlined.

Her next Single should be called, "Jaws Of Life", because that's what it's going to take.
B-Side: DNR

Andrenekoi 28th November 2013 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044275)
Yeah, they were just trying to run a marathon or whatever too, haha.



Yeah, Sunrise/Sunset were not HORRIBLE, but I'd have preferred if at least her face wasn't so manipulated in post since we know that she looked great in that shoot she did for the calendar so wtf happened with the Sunrise photos? They should have had her in that long dress instead of the bikini/bra-combo probably too. Stylist, why you do this?

Also here's the pink thing.

http://i.imgur.com/brsSAAE.jpg
Is it Ayu?

And I may or may not have met RuPaul a month ago. Heathers are great. February 2014.

It's an outdoor with a plus-size model...

truehappiness 28th November 2013 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoriKaru (Post 3044301)
Fall down a fat betch, get up a flop? *CancelsGymMembership*

ayumi's career has flatlined.

Her next Single should be called, "Jaws Of Life", because that's what it's going to take.
B-Side: DNR

If Ayu is a flop, then what about the other female soloists in Japan?

AyUmIXx 28th November 2013 02:52 AM

i think that the fat girl wants to have an ideal man like james, so she works hard to be thin and pretty, so that man like james could accept her, but then she realizes, is that all worth it? so she decides to just be herself, becoming pretty on her own, then she accidentally meets james at the park, from my point of view, james doesn't even look at the back, at her.. he just feels like someone calling him, at the same time, the fat girl accidentally bumps into another man who brings balloons who probably is the man who likes fat girl, therefore the balloons flow away which mean she's free from all the pressure for becoming pretty and she finally meets the guy who can accept her for who she is. then james ends up with pretty and sexy ayu.

that's just my pov..

happiholic★ 28th November 2013 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 3044300)
I think the biggest complaint I saw was how ero-kawaii ayu's dress was. They said she's been showing her boobs too much xD

No such thing as showing one's boobs too much. Ero-Kawaii is always acceptable in my books.

kimmeh 28th November 2013 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3044299)
I don't think it'd be dull, but it would certainly be a bit closer to what I usually experience at fan forums. Lately, I've felt like when it comes to Ayu's new works and this forum, this place is constant criticism without any potential solutions with very few positive voices.

Like... how else could she have done this PV? What could she have done differently with the arrangement of Feel the love? Though there are things that are reasonable and those that are not, haha.

The ending. She should have found herself at the end and just passed the muscle dude, even if she turned into ayu. "I feel so god damn fine I don't need your shallow love". I mean, look at my names WOMEN. Geeky dork to hottie who doesn't need the assholes. I'm not feeling the love in the PV :/ just shallowness

Andrenekoi 28th November 2013 02:59 AM

Why are people saying the guy from the pv was shallow? He barely appears on the pv! As far as we know, the girl never said she liked him to begin with.

kimmeh 28th November 2013 03:00 AM

It seems like he knows her. He ignores her when she "calls on him" as chubby girl, but the minute she turns into ayu he turns around, goes wow and gives her a hug. It seems like the typical shallow character

waterballoon 28th November 2013 03:01 AM

I dunno, I think the video reminds me a lot of media censorship.

Like who are gonna be the people who watch the video anyways? Probably Ayu fans, and they're females in their mid to late 20s or even early 30s.

And then you get to the point of what would THEY think or perceive from watching this. If this were a video for kids then yeah maybe given their level of analysis the video could come across very morally wrong. But these are adult women. If one in her late 20s still couldn't figure out that you really shouldn't be going to such extremes to get your man cos you know, he doesn't deserve you, then isn't that pretty sad.

Also, the video could go a lot worse. They could have the main lead go for liposuction, or starving herself, both which I think portray weight loss and the desperation for it A LOT WORSE than doing something healthy like going for a run.

But it could've been a lot better. SheFliesHigher I remember, mentioned something about them putting out this message without considering the bigger impact, and that it was done in such a shit execution manner. Yeah I agree with that. The message could've been brought a lot smarter and less "offensive" but hey we've already watched it.

And reading the comments and how most of us KNOW that it's wrong to lose weight for the sake of getting accepted or for another person already proves to me that a bulk of Ayu fans have their own set of ethos and morals to live by. Heck she's a pop star not our mom, she can't TEACH us what to do with our lives. I watched the PV cos it's Ayu and it's new and I found it super funny and endearing. It makes me want to go for a run (which I often do) and it's something good to laugh at. I didn't watch it with a thought that "man I hope Ayu teaches me a life lesson like how she does in her other PVs" because she doesn't do that and I'm independent enough as a person to know what is right and what is wrong.

The James Ellis guy was portrayed as a douchebag and Ayu stupidly decided that she's the epitome of a universally accepted lady... she made a mistake, so be it.

Also some of the theories are beginning to look like they're made out of thin air. Really, the balloon guy? We didn't even get to see his face, that's how insignificant he is to the story. So how can it be that the main lead "fell in love" with a man (is it even a man) whom we don't even see in the video? You can't just come up with conclusions when there's nothing to refer to -_-||

I don't care about the "cheap" animations cos the video was so blatantly a joke already that it doesn't matter. I dunno. I laughed at certain scenes, and I loved it, I really loved it that this lady had enough confidence in herself to laugh and make fun of herself. I want to know her and befriend her. Because in this 5:34 long video, I thought she was the epitome of sexy and confidence, not the bimbotic Ayu that appeared in the last ten seconds and got the attention of what is stereotypically a superficial male who goes for big boobs and hot bodies.

jbrat2219 28th November 2013 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kimmeh (Post 3044308)
It seems like he knows her. He ignores her when she "calls on him" as chubby girl, but the minute she turns into ayu he turns around, goes wow and gives her a hug. It seems like the typical shallow character

It didn't look like he saw her when she first called him... At least not to me. I'll have to watch the ending again, but it seems as though he's like, "Eh? Did I hear my name?" and then turned around later. I'll watch again to be sure.

#EDIT#

Okay so I guess he saw her a bit xD LOL

kimmeh 28th November 2013 03:05 AM

@waterballoon I agree on a lot of points, but the reason people are picking on the
"Morally wrong" message in this PV is because ayu has almost always had a deeper and thoughtful message in her PVS. She has always cheered on the individual and said be yourself.


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