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tsumekaze_ 7th January 2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by artcika (Post 3054993)
actually taht has crossed my mind as well. i think it might turn into an other "she's desperate" theory and would give her bad feedback. I kinda see that pattern here as well what's on the wave lets love them and well what's old lets give em bad time... so yeah at this point i guess this is a better approach, still tho i don't think a few more live performances and few more promo posters around the country would hurt her badly.

Though if we think about it namie is not so new, having been in the music industry 5 years more than ayu. HA people. I love when they get fixated on something and love it/bash it for no reason. Anyway yeah, I think the same. hopefully she will focus more on promo this year...going a bit OT, am I the only one thinking that nowadays she doesn't seem so confident anymore on tv lives? like, back in the day she was very very confident. Now it's as if she's nervous and afraid of not being appreciated...also her voice trembles, while when she tours she has everything under control, and she looks much more confident. Maybe she feels more at ease performing in front of her fans, who love her? idk if I'm reading too much into this, but it's something I noticed from quite a long time now. ex: inspire at kouhaku, while being very good vocally she looked tense, usually she performs this song with much more energy..
ps. it's not a critic, just something I wished to point out

AyumiAi 7th January 2014 10:17 PM

yay 4k! ^^ hopefully it can reach 40k in the end! :)

ayumisrael 8th January 2014 12:08 AM

She might actually reach 39,000-40,000! Wow! I actually thought it would drop to 2000s for the 2nd week. I'm pleased!

adantatu2 8th January 2014 04:31 AM

The second week sales are good, 40k is the next goal

SolarAngel 8th January 2014 04:45 AM

I'm just thinking her Japanese fans are so fickle. Where have the fans who supported her last L single gone?

lightningrod 8th January 2014 08:59 AM

It's amazing how this senior center disco single sells...

hayasaki 8th January 2014 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lightningrod (Post 3055074)
It's amazing how this senior center disco single sells...

at first glance i read it as "senior citizen". Spare me! lol

ayuuk 8th January 2014 12:42 PM

It's selling much more than what I have imagined!!

brener 8th January 2014 04:02 PM

3rd Week

1st Day

Position: #49

tsumekaze_ 8th January 2014 05:27 PM

woah! I thought it'd drop much much more! it's kind of stable... this means that it's still selling somehow! good job!!!! ganbatte ayuuu

brener 8th January 2014 05:39 PM

yeah I thought it would drop from top 50

Sandy 8th January 2014 06:23 PM

This is good news :) Now I'm a bit ashamed for thinking she'd be off TOP 50, like waaaa~y off by now... :S

brener 9th January 2014 04:06 PM

3rd Week

2nd Day

Position: Out of top 50

:@ sadly...

tsumekaze_ 9th January 2014 04:12 PM

where do you check the position under #30? oricon.jp reports only positions up to 30...

brener 9th January 2014 04:34 PM

At a chinese forum called tieba baidu there's an oricon thread and the people who can access oricon members only content provide the numbers ^-^

pimenta 9th January 2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brener (Post 3055293)
At a chinese forum called tieba baidu there's an oricon thread and the people who can access oricon members only content provide the numbers ^-^

What's the url for that thread?

brener 9th January 2014 05:06 PM

Here you go: http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=oricon&fr=home

pimenta 9th January 2014 05:16 PM

^ Thank you~!! :D

TeamAyu2004 9th January 2014 06:00 PM

wow... just wow.
Im happy she is still selling, but man o man, I wish she was at higher numbers

tsumekaze_ 9th January 2014 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brener (Post 3055301)

thank you very very much for sharing!!!!! <3

adantatu2 10th January 2014 03:57 AM

Thanks for the link :)

brener 10th January 2014 04:07 AM

numbers are really poor this week for everyone, I doubt it will sell above 1,500....

brener 10th January 2014 03:03 PM

3rd Week

3rd Day

Position: Out of top 50


top 3 numbers today are:
#1 1,323
#2 1,107
#3 978

it's pretty common low sales in January, I wonder if ayu will be able to reach 1k this week >>"

Linza-mo 10th January 2014 03:28 PM

o____o

Why the numbers are so low in january ? '__'

brener 10th January 2014 03:35 PM

People spent a lot in the last four months of the year (Black Friday, Thanksgiving, Holidays, year-end sales...). It's common to see a retraction in January.

Linza-mo 10th January 2014 03:43 PM

Thanks for the explanation ! =)

spanishfan 10th January 2014 04:38 PM

That's why we have "Sales" in January, for people keep buying things xD

chocopockymaster 10th January 2014 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brener (Post 3055524)
People spent a lot in the last four months of the year (Black Friday, Thanksgiving, Holidays, year-end sales...). It's common to see a retraction in January.

You do realize that Thanksgiving and Black Friday don't exist in Japan, right?

brener 10th January 2014 06:03 PM

I'm just giving some examples, sales in January are low worldwide...

brener 11th January 2014 08:09 PM

3rd Week

4th Day

Position: Out of top 50

guess this is it for this week ^^

Maemi 12th January 2014 01:24 AM

oh well, 35k is not so bad I guess...

ayumisrael 12th January 2014 01:45 AM

It's out of the top 50 not 200.

brener 12th January 2014 02:26 AM

^

I meant that she won't chart on top 50 this week again...

ayumisrael 13th January 2014 08:43 PM

My post was to Maemi =P I wonder if it could reach 2000 this week.

HilaryDuffFanboy 13th January 2014 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chocopockymaster (Post 3055537)
You do realize that Thanksgiving and Black Friday don't exist in Japan, right?

How could the world not possibly revolve around America? :D

brener 13th January 2014 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 3056062)
My post was to Maemi =P I wonder if it could reach 2000 this week.

Hardly believe it... my expectations are around 900~1,000 copies this week

Maemi 13th January 2014 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayumisrael (Post 3055765)
It's out of the top 50 not 200.

even so, it'll never pass 40k... so it is still ok, in some way

Sandy 14th January 2014 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 3056083)
even so, it'll never pass 40k... so it is still ok, in some way

Hmm, I just have to ask, what does the k mean after the number 40? Ugh, I always feel stupid asking things like this...

roanmy 14th January 2014 01:30 AM

K = Thousand. 40K = 40000. :)

Sandy 14th January 2014 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by roanmy (Post 3056113)
K = Thousand. 40K = 40000. :)

Thank You a thousand ;)
But 40k, that's good or bad..?

brener 14th January 2014 03:47 AM

nowadays 40k for a female solo singer is pretty good =) check the previous pages of this thread, we did some comparison between the most relevant female solo singers ^^

visionfactory 14th January 2014 03:50 AM

40k is good for nowadays artists, was bad on 2012

adantatu2 14th January 2014 03:56 AM

40k was low 10 years ago

Sandy 14th January 2014 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by brener (Post 3056139)
nowadays 40k for a female solo singer is pretty good =) check the previous pages of this thread, we did some comparison between the most relevant female solo singers ^^

I did, it makes much more snse now that I know what that k at the end of the number means xD

brener 14th January 2014 04:04 PM

3rd Week
Position: #55
Official Sales: 938
Official Total Sales: 36,027

Just what I expected.. ^^

marty 14th January 2014 07:35 PM

40 k in 2013 for solo artists is pratically uncorking the champagne worthy stuff. (I don't know why, but I suddenly remember that time I wanted to run on the street screaming when Kana Nishino Believe single stopped charting at 39.500, lol).
Ayu is doing ok! <3

brener 15th January 2014 03:25 AM

#1 Single this week sold only 11k and #1 Album sold 32k, it was a really poor week.

visionfactory 15th January 2014 04:22 AM

Lower than I expected, at this rate I'm not sure if ayu can reach 40k

brener 15th January 2014 06:09 AM

She might sell around 400~500 copies next week. 40k would be hard... It took 11 weeks for Kana Nishino's last single (Sayonara) to reach 40k, but I doubt Feel the love will have a longevity like that, it might fall out of top 200 in two weeks. But in terms of comparison it outsold Kana's summer single (Namidairo) released last August, which sold 27,652 copies and charted 6 weeks.

LONJJONG 15th January 2014 01:28 PM

Omg huge flop :(
But still cheer up for Ayu!

inspire_rmx 15th January 2014 04:05 PM

I just hope she will start releasing singles on a more regular basis ^^

Zeke. 15th January 2014 07:00 PM

Plz, the only flop ayu is concerned with these days is her fiancé's dong.

ayumisrael 15th January 2014 07:24 PM

She just got a house on beverly hills last year, money is in the least of her problems lol.

If she keeps touring she will just increase her bank account by millions.

Delirium-Zer0 15th January 2014 10:11 PM

Touring is indeed where the money is.

KillTime111 16th January 2014 01:58 AM

It does break my heart a little that this is one of her first #3 peaked single in a very very very very long time.. I was really rooting for this to peak at #1, such great composers! None the less, it`s doing pretty decently in terms of sales for the time..

Andrenekoi 16th January 2014 02:36 AM

She didn't earn gazillions selling discs. Her publicity contracts and shows made her rich and her tours are established (and in a very good situation). Even CDL had 3 dates this year again, despite the rumors about some venues not being full-crowded at A BEST LIVE (proving, imo, that was not a big deal after all)...

She's ok.

brener 16th January 2014 06:57 AM

I won't update Feel the love daily charts from now on because it's obvious that she won't chart on Daily Top 50 anymore... :~

tsumekaze_ 16th January 2014 12:52 PM

Thank you for your work ^ good job ayu :) we're always proud of you

ayumisrael 21st January 2014 12:07 PM

4th Week
Position: #87
Official Sales: 530
Official Total Sales: 36,557

ayuuk 21st January 2014 02:59 PM

Over 30,000 is pretty good.

brener 21st January 2014 06:04 PM

Thanks @ayumisrael, I'm kinda waking up 2:30PM everyday :~

To be honest this single is surviving because of the low sales in January, I mean, look at it, #87 with +500 copies sold, I wonder how many copies the #200 position sold...

By the way I think I may share that A BEST 2 -BLACK- & WHITE are charting digitally on Rechochoku, probably because of the holiday sales... ^^

visionfactory 21st January 2014 07:01 PM

I just hope her next single won't sell 20k

brener 21st January 2014 10:13 PM

^ better hope that it won't be another EDM single then.

adantatu2 22nd January 2014 01:06 AM

If it's a ballad i'm sure she could get better sales.

[H] 22nd January 2014 04:21 AM

Is Feel the love / Merry go round charting digitally? I wonder how much it sold digitally

brener 22nd January 2014 06:23 AM

^ Poorly :~ the highest position Feel the love peaked was #14 on iTunes (it did worse on Rechochoku though). It charted during the digital release (one week or two before physical release) and a little bit during the first two weeks, but now it is out of top 100.

njanjayrp 22nd January 2014 12:36 PM

The only thing that could potentially boost Ayu's sales is a major tie-in...else I don't see her sales increasing in the next few years.

ayumisrael 22nd January 2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3057665)
The only thing that could potentially boost Ayu's sales is a major tie-in...else I don't see her sales increasing in the next few years.

She needs a succession of the right songs/promo/big tie-ins and do it constantly for awhile if she wants to get back up. She can even do it without TV/Magazines appearances (even though I would miss those so she should lol)

I just don't think she wants it...

Maemi 23rd January 2014 06:15 PM

^ She is financially secured and she is bored/tired of being in the spotlight all the time, which is ok I guess. She is the one who said in some interview that she didn't like being slaved during her peak... I dunno, 10 years ago? I don't care as long as I like the music she releases, even though I feel meh about most of her songs from the last couple of years... ~

Delicious n Bold 23rd January 2014 11:10 PM

I was looking at past threads, especially for A Ballads
And I found that people were pissed and saddened that she didn't sell a million in a week and only about 500k in 5 days
Oh how the times change.

tsumekaze_ 23rd January 2014 11:21 PM

^ we would probably sell our mothers now if it could get her even close to 100k.
I don't know what emotions I should be feeling right now.

brener 23rd January 2014 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold (Post 3058032)
I was looking at past threads, especially for A Ballads
And I found that people were pissed and saddened that she didn't sell a million in a week and only about 500k in 5 days
Oh how the times change.

I remember myself really angry because of Secret sales (that everyone including me was considering very low) :P seems like it was yesterday... I also remember that people were very mad at Kumi because she was selling better than ayu that time...

Delicious n Bold 23rd January 2014 11:39 PM

Kumi selling better than ayu at that one time? there must have been major meltdowns :P

SolarAngel 24th January 2014 08:27 AM

I was really sad that A Complete was not a million seller. I wanted it so much to revive her million-selling days.

hayasaki 24th January 2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold (Post 3058045)
Kumi selling better than ayu at that one time? there must have been major meltdowns :P

I think that was around 2006-2007 when kuu put out singles every month and became the highest tax payer that year.

Corvina 24th January 2014 06:42 PM

lol, Kuu was highest selling artist of Japan for both years 2006 and 2007. She pretty much outsold everyone at that time.
And I'll never understand, why this was a problem to anyone. Ayu was probably happy, she wasn't avex golden cow anymore and the pressure was smaller.

ayumisrael 24th January 2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3058189)
lol, Kuu was highest selling artist of Japan for both years 2006 and 2007. She pretty much outsold everyone at that time.
And I'll never understand, why this was a problem to anyone. Ayu was probably happy, she wasn't avex golden cow anymore and the pressure was smaller.

You are right but I think some fans back then didn't know how to take this even though ayu had great years both before and after 2005-2007 era and even in these! ayu did pretty well all along even though she wasn't the #1.

1996-2013 best selling female artists (ayu, kuu, namie, hikki only) The positions are off the overall yearly lists (including bands, solo, males, females)
1996 - namie #1
1997 - namie #4
1998 - namie #13
1999 - hikki #1, ayu #5 (TOP 30)
2000 - ayu #1, hikki #22, namie #27 (TOP 30)
2001 - ayu #1, hikki #2 (TOP 30)
2002 - hikki #1, ayu #2 (TOP 30)
2003 - ayu #1 (TOP 30)
2004 - hikki #1, ayu #5 (TOP 30)
2005 - kuu #3 ayu #4 (TOP 30)
2006 - kuu #1, ayu #5 (TOP 30)
2007 - kuu #1, ayu #2 (TOP 10)
2008 - ayu #2, namie #4, kuu #8, hikki #10 (TOP 10)
2009 - ayu #9 (TOP 10)
2010 - No solo female at all (TOP 10)
2011 - #7 namie, #8 ayu (TOP 10)
2012 - #10 namie (TOP 10)
2013 - #8 namie (TOP 10)

Surreal17 24th January 2014 07:59 PM

Thank you for this piece of information :)
Very interesting
OMG...look at 2008 for example where all four entered top 10 and then look at 2010 ...in 2010 ayu didn't entered top 10 (with two studio albums!)....I won't even mention 2012 or 2013 :dead2

ayumisrael 24th January 2014 08:06 PM

ayu did really well selling in most years, like she was selling awesome all along. The positions are from the yearly lists counted by sales/earnings.

In 2012 and 2013 at least she still sold a couple of hundred thousands more copies of stuff.

brener 25th January 2014 01:32 AM

Thanks for sharing those numbers @ayumisrael :)

ayu did an awesome job during her career, it's understandable that now she just wants some rest of all that attention she had on her life

marty 25th January 2014 08:54 PM

Thanks for that list, ayumisrael!
Very interesting indeed...

SunshineSlayer 26th January 2014 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold (Post 3058045)
Kumi selling better than ayu at that one time? there must have been major meltdowns :P

Oh yeah, and the whole 12 singles thing...people were having fits. :yes

Amuro_Ray 29th January 2014 04:13 PM

Namie sold 18.7k and Aiko just sold 17.2k today.
Seems that it was not bad for 1st day for Ayu.

brener 30th January 2014 05:51 AM

5th Week
Position: #111
Official Sales: 447
Official Total Sales: 37,004

Bigtop 30th January 2014 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuro_Ray (Post 3059268)
Namie sold 18.7k and Aiko just sold 17.2k today.
Seems that it was not bad for 1st day for Ayu.

This proves that ayu's now in the status quo...but is it possible if aiko is "that" consistent, aiko may be selling more than ayu...? (just wondering)

brener 30th January 2014 05:36 PM

aiko will end up selling around 50~60k

Bigtop 31st January 2014 12:11 AM

Yet aiko is older than ayu...how can aiko be mroe popular than ayu? Hmm...

monochrome99 31st January 2014 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigtop (Post 3059552)
Yet aiko is older than ayu...how can aiko be mroe popular than ayu? Hmm...

:thud its not all about age, it is also is about the songs, and the promotion.

Also consistency does play a role, ayu always has a huge 1st day in comparison to her 2nd and 3rd days.

truehappiness 31st January 2014 02:22 AM

aiko's fans stick to her like glue. It also helps that aiko probably hasn't changed her style once in the last 10-15 years, and Japanese fans LOVE that.

brener 31st January 2014 07:17 AM

^

word!

and it's kind of annoying now how every song of her sounds exactly the same to me... =\

Delirium-Zer0 31st January 2014 02:31 PM

My podcast has had a running joke for years that aiko is boring & no one likes her... I'm sure we're insulting a few aiko fans with that but we just CAN'T like her, heaven knows at least two of us have genuinely tried, lol.

adantatu2 1st February 2014 07:23 AM

She releases a lot of medium ballads, but songs like "beat" are amazing

Trinu 4th February 2014 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3059578)
aiko's fans stick to her like glue. It also helps that aiko probably hasn't changed her style once in the last 10-15 years, and Japanese fans LOVE that.

lol what?
Isn't this forum proof that Ayu fans stick to her like glue too even when she releases her worst (IMO) single ever?
Aiko knows what she's good at and she just keeps doing it (like Ayaka, and Ikimonogakari, and Takahashi Yuu, and Yuzu... need I to go on?) and that's just as good an idea as it is to risk your career with a wild change.

And her songs sound the same in the same measure that Ayu's do. :P

truehappiness 4th February 2014 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Trinu (Post 3060421)
lol what?
Isn't this forum proof that Ayu fans stick to her like glue too even when she releases her worst (IMO) single ever?
Aiko knows what she's good at and she just keeps doing it (like Ayaka, and Ikimonogakari, and Takahashi Yuu, and Yuzu... need I to go on?) and that's just as good an idea as it is to risk your career with a wild change.

And her songs sound the same in the same measure that Ayu's do. :P

It's probably her freshest single ever. When was the last time she had a standalone non-album recut dance/electro single?

And as for those groups, they're all the same type of boring pop that doesn't change much that Japan eats up, so what's your point? Ayu's fans for the most part don't seem to stick around. Even if aiko didn't have loads of #1s or whatever, she's very consistent. Ayu on the other hand has had a veeeeeeeeeeeerrrryyy slow decline ever since 2000 which probably sped up after 2005/2006.

Trinu 5th February 2014 01:06 AM

Boring for you, you mean? If you've just heard snippets of some songs, why bother?
They are as GOOD as Ayu was (is?).

If Japan has a thing for it, so what? Japan had a thing for Ayu back in 2004, does that mean does that mean that she's not good at all?
Actually, Ayu's decline could be seen as proof that she just got famous due to external factors. She was trendy, she was in every CM, she had a show, she put music out non-stop, bla bla bla... and now people are on to the next thing. That really doesn't say much about her music, tbh.

I really don't wanna come off as an anti or anything, but I don't like it when I see stuff like Oh, they're boring, why are they famous? to other artists when they're doing better than Ayu. It comes off as whiny and jealous and childish. Like they don't deserve it.
Well, they do, and for the same reason Ayu does. Cause they're GOOD.

truehappiness 5th February 2014 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Trinu (Post 3060450)
I really don't wanna come off as an anti or anything, but I don't like it when I see stuff like Oh, they're boring, why are they famous? to other artists when they're doing better than Ayu. It comes off as whiny and jealous and childish. Like they don't deserve it.
Well, they do, and for the same reason Ayu does. Cause they're GOOD.

I mention it because it explains the disconnect between the fanbases in Japan and the fanbases in the West. How else do you explain their popularity there and why it doesn't translate here?

Party_King 5th February 2014 01:11 AM

Did somebody know how charted Namies TSUKI Single?
i mean, where can i get the actual sales and chart positions?
i think it would be interesting to compare Feel the Love / Merry-go-round and TSUKI from day to day

primavera♥ 5th February 2014 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trinu (Post 3060450)
Boring for you, you mean? If you've just heard snippets of some songs, why bother?
They are as GOOD as Ayu was (is?).

If Japan has a thing for it, so what? Japan had a thing for Ayu back in 2004, does that mean does that mean that she's not good at all?
Actually, Ayu's decline could be seen as proof that she just got famous due to external factors. She was trendy, she was in every CM, she had a show, she put music out non-stop, bla bla bla... and now people are on to the next thing. That really doesn't say much about her music, tbh.

I really don't wanna come off as an anti or anything, but I don't like it when I see stuff like Oh, they're boring, why are they famous? to other artists when they're doing better than Ayu. It comes off as whiny and jealous and childish. Like they don't deserve it.
Well, they do, and for the same reason Ayu does. Cause they're GOOD.

I still thinks aiko's boring af and is not good at all, certainly not like ayu. I don't care if other people think she or any other artist are good or as good as ayu. If I don't think so then I don't have to say so. People say the same about ayu and I could care less because taste is relative. It's not being whiny and jealous and childish lol.

I still ask myself why many other Japanese artists are famous but my baby girl JASMINE hasn't been selling so well when I think she's way better lol. But I know why. And it's okay to think that

My Rainbow 5th February 2014 01:30 AM

Aiko who?

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/never.../59433_600.gif

brener 5th February 2014 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Party_King (Post 3060452)
Did somebody know how charted Namies TSUKI Single?
i mean, where can i get the actual sales and chart positions?
i think it would be interesting to compare Feel the Love / Merry-go-round and TSUKI from day to day

On TSUKI -official sales- thread :)


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