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Evolution7/4 19th April 2012 05:14 PM

^I am at university here.

TeamAyu2004 19th April 2012 05:21 PM

lucky dog! lol

Evolution7/4 19th April 2012 05:24 PM

Hehe thanks :D

Andrenekoi 19th April 2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2854478)
And what scandal thing for Tohoshinki?

Some members sued their korean label because of some abusive aspects of their contract (as usual on K-pop industry), this eventually made some members to leave the band.

Or something like that, I'm not a Toho fan, so I don't really know much about it.

MissElin_ 19th April 2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2854478)
I forgot all about Exile! but there sales are going down and dont know how a stadium would sell out with them...
I wish avex would turn it around, I mean, back in the mid 2000's they were on top... I miss those days...

Isn't more like, all of these music companies do worse than before? Like, Johnny's isn't what they was before either. At least if you compare with like 5 years ago. The only thing going well these days is idols who is way easier to see and meet than regular artists (like AKB48) or the Korean artists. I think the J-pop scene should get some inpsiration form the K-pop scene. Like, K-pop can be found on YouTube (full videos, just like AKB48) and music services like Spotify. It's great promotion in days like these.

But overall, the global music scene should follow the digital developments more.

Andrenekoi 19th April 2012 05:51 PM

Japanese music market works very... stupid towards internet, it's not even funny.

I was amazed once I noticed AKB48 channel as full subtitled videos o,o Why aren't Ayu, Hikki, Namie, Koda putting their subtitled videos online?!

TeamAyu2004 19th April 2012 05:53 PM

I think that is a major problem...
Japanese companies don';t really track digital sales like America does.

Because i mean, sales are down, but where is it all going?
I hope everyone is not going to pirate all their music!

njanjayrp 19th April 2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 2854495)
Isn't more like, all of these music companies do worse than before? Like, Johnny's isn't what they was before either. At least if you compare with like 5 years ago. The only thing going well these days is idols who is way easier to see and meet than regular artists (like AKB48) or the Korean artists. I think the J-pop scene should get some inpsiration form the K-pop scene. Like, K-pop can be found on YouTube (full videos, just like AKB48) and music services like Spotify. It's great promotion in days like these.

But overall, the global music scene should follow the digital developments more.


Imo that's pretty much the only thing they should do the way Korean companies do and NOTHING else. Oh and even DBSK aren't as popular as they were 3-4 years ago. Their popularity in Japan has decreased from their golden days.

ayu_ready? 19th April 2012 09:08 PM

I think it might be just a crisis of ideas and certainly new modern kpop takes inspiration from old jpop lol

Andrenekoi 19th April 2012 09:23 PM

^I was listening to some old school kpop and both genres always had a lot of similarities...

setsuka 20th April 2012 02:50 AM

I don't think it is as bad as they have to go to Kpop lengths

EXILE sales aren't dipping what so ever and all their tours that are huge aren't really sliding, lmao

I think album sales are just becoming less an important factor and more so touring, TVXQ actually sold out their dome tour pretty fast,they aren't suffering either

the only people who are the newbies, AVEX hasn't had a breakout star in a long time and their over promoted ones have flopped hard like GND and Iconiq

random rant, just I think they don't care about international fans just yet since they aren't that important to them like Kpop

I do think they are changing like all of C'kay and Perfume recent releases who have a strong overseas fanbase are getting faster itunes releases worldwide
I don't get why Ayu doesn't do this or Kumi, avex needs to more ahead of the times like the used to be, UMJ is beating them
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I am still sad no Like A Doll, also love all the fan write ups

freedreamer 20th April 2012 05:34 AM

Thing is, K-POP market themselves as a market. You have different companies which fans see as families to that extent. When you see K-pop artistes, you link them to one another...this is not the same for J-Pop, where there are too many artistes and you can't see them as ONE. At least thats how I see it..

SunshineSlayer 21st April 2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2854434)
^Isn't Exile big anymore? I believe Namie could have the power to sell out the stadiums, but is not like she gives a crap about A-Nation xD

Exile and Namie could, but I am not sure for a full tour. Plus when I made that statement I wasn't counting them. :) Their publisher is AVEX but their management is not so they don't always go to A-Nation.

Last year I thought them inviting AKB48 to perform was a sign that ticket sales were down. At every date each year they have always had a "surprise" artist from a different label perform at the show - but it was always truly a surprise, not something that was promoted before hand. When I went Remioromen performed. But last year was the first time they actually announced and promoted who the surprise artist would be.

emi♡ 21st April 2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by freedreamer (Post 2854730)
Thing is, K-POP market themselves as a market. You have different companies which fans see as families to that extent. When you see K-pop artistes, you link them to one another...this is not the same for J-Pop, where there are too many artistes and you can't see them as ONE. At least thats how I see it..

I never really understood this concept until today. I find it extremely interesting.

Anyway, the genius of the kpop market is all into their promotion. Not just how much of it they do, but also how they do it.

Anything to hook people and sell the whole package~

It's kinda like AKB48 or Perfume. Is the music even really the most important thing with them? lol

truehappiness 21st April 2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 2855218)
Exile and Namie could, but I am not sure for a full tour. Plus when I made that statement I wasn't counting them. :) Their publisher is AVEX but their management is not so they don't always go to A-Nation.

Last year I thought them inviting AKB48 to perform was a sign that ticket sales were down. At every date each year they have always had a "surprise" artist from a different label perform at the show - but it was always truly a surprise, not something that was promoted before hand. When I went Remioromen performed. But last year was the first time they actually announced and promoted who the surprise artist would be.

I thought they had SEVERAL surprise artists last year [and maybe the year before that too] since X JAPAN and a few others popped up?

TeamAyu2004 21st April 2012 02:37 PM

I just hope this whole fad of having a few groups dominate the charts is about to be over...
its sad really.

douggn 21st April 2012 02:46 PM

With ayus avdvertisment, AVEX does seem lazy. Like what. happened to the Duty, I am... and MY STORY type CM's (Love songs CM included). Or even the DVD menu with ayus DVD's, nothing special. I think though ayu will always sell her tour tickets and always liked to be seen live despite her CD sales. I think people would rather download than buy though. You cant pirate something which isnt released. Though this may be ayus choice. I think ayu could climb back to the top but she would have to give her soul back to avex. Im just happy if its what she wants, and if she happy with it, than as a fan, thats all I can ask for :)

douggn 21st April 2012 02:49 PM

Though I do think downloading/etc and not buying has a big role in declining sale

ayu_ready? 21st April 2012 03:29 PM

^what about AKB & KARA huge sales at this time of high-developed digital downloads then?

TeamAyu2004 21st April 2012 04:01 PM

wow... 2 who groups out of how many people making music!
Man talk about a revolution.

AKB are what you call phenomenal. Besides, they still dont match the album sales of 10 years ago.
As a whole the physical side of the sales as gone drastically down.


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