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elepop 16th January 2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitkki (Post 1303785)
The message sounds a lot more like "You're sick? OMG PLEASE COME TO CHINA CUZ WE'RE AVEX BUDDIES!!!" than "I hope she will be able to overcome this and continue to inspire us all."
Anyways, it seems pretty arrogant to imply that ayu isn't receiving proper medical treatment in Japan and must to go China where the miracle workers are. The arrogance continues in saying that the news was released to China first before anyone else. I don't really understand the point of Alan's "nice and sweet" post.

Why would you think that? Her message was sincere.

The "please come to China for medical treatment" was messages that fans wanted her to tell Ayu. There's nothing more to understand.

The only thing that confuses me is why the hell did Ayu fans bombarded her with messages about Ayu? Pssh. So selfish.

ImpactBreaker 16th January 2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by asongforXX (Post 1303805)
The only thing that confuses me is why the hell did Ayu fans bombarded her with messages about Ayu? Pssh. So selfish.

Yeah! but...


No, ayu fans can be rude and bombard her blog by asking about ayu, but if she replies to them, then she's a self centered ______:irked:shakehead

Poor alan:no

Mitkki 16th January 2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1303798)
Honestly guys, there are people in this world with different culture and beliefs, you can't expect them to think like the average US citizen, just because you are the average american citizen.

I apologize if I am just an ignorant american and not as worldly as some people here but it just sounds like a bunch of bull to me.

ayu_fantasy 16th January 2008 04:45 PM

Alright, cool it people.... :)....

So now there might be two possibilities...
1) Alan is really sincere about helping ayu to recover and cares for ayu...
2)Alan is using ayu to gain fame and implying that she's close with ayu...

Whatever it is, cool it guys... :) everyone have different ways of interpreting Alan's message....

elepop 16th January 2008 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 1303812)
Alright, cool it people.... :)....

So now there might be two possibilities...
1) Alan is really sincere about helping ayu to recover and cares for ayu...
2)Alan is using ayu is gain fame and implying that she's close with ayu...

Whatever it is, cool it guys... :) everyone have different ways of interpreting Alan's message....

She never implied she's close with Ayu. She said she's in the same department as her. And she MIGHT deliver the messages the fans wanted her to tell Ayu THROUGH A GUY. See? She's not close to Ayu.

And also. I really don't know how a person can gain fame by writing about Ayu in a BLOG, unless that person in Shoko-tan.

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Originally Posted by Mitkki (Post 1303810)
I apologize if I am just an ignorant american and not as worldly as some people here but it just sounds like a bunch of bull to me.

What is?

Mitkki 16th January 2008 04:50 PM

^ the whole spiel on the magical wonders of 'traditional medicine.'

ImpactBreaker 16th January 2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 1303812)
Alright, cool it people.... :)....

So now there might be two possibilities...
1) Alan is really sincere about helping ayu to recover and cares for ayu...
2)Alan is using ayu to gain fame and implying that she's close with ayu...

Whatever it is, cool it guys... :) everyone have different ways of interpreting Alan's message....

Well, number 2 doesn't make much sense. She posted it in her blog, so people accessing it would have to be fans or know her already. How would someone who doesn't even know alan suddenly have the thought: "oh today I'm going to visit alan's blog (yeah I don't know her), just because she could have talked about ayu, and Ta-da!!" It's not her fault that this piece of info leaks to an ayu board with some ayu fans who can only praise ayu above everything and despise everything else :no
and if alan is not famous, she won't become "BREAKING NEWS" just because she mentioned that in her blog LOL

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Originally Posted by Mitkki (Post 1303815)
^ the whole spiel on the magical wonders of 'traditional medicine.'

I don't believe in traditional mnedicine. But they aren't me. They believe in it, so you can't judge them as if they know it's bull when they don't think so, just because YOU think it's bull. That's what I mentioned before.

Mitkki 16th January 2008 04:53 PM

You can't possibly assume that in today's day and age that they wouldn't know something better. It just sounds like denial with a hidden agenda to me. I'm sure at least one person is earnestly caring though. They can say what they want, I'm just offering a reaction to it.

elepop 16th January 2008 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitkki (Post 1303815)
^ the whole spiel on the magical wonders of 'traditional medicine.'

The messages doesn't imply that it works.

And those are messages of the fans. Chinese Ayu fans that are probably selfish enough to ask Ayu to go to China so that they'll get to meet her.

Luv ~Venus~ 16th January 2008 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1303722)
To the people who think alan is doing this just to get attention: so do you also think ayu told about her hearing loss just to get attention and publicity? you guys are thinking in that same way honestly :no So nobody has the right to comment on ayu at the risk of them being considered leechers? Who are you guys gonna crucify next? Mao Asada too?

I don't think she's trying to get attention. She's probably been asked about ayu, and the fact she mentions ayu works at the same department probably mean she has some empathy for ayu. And quite honestly, it's stupid to think she'd suddenly become famous just because she talked about ayu. Japanese people will buy her stuff if they like what she sings, not because she talked about ayu. If you guys were rioght, PECO would have a very famous singing career :laugh I'm sure she didn't do that with second intentions.

And, alan doesn't have to prove anything. Her debut single shows she's extremely talented singer. I'm noty sure if her sales are good, but she doesn't really need prove anything, anyway.

Exactly! Why the hell do I keep reading alan is trying to get fame by commenting on Ayu's loss of hearing. I'm sorry to say but yall are sounding ignorant and just mean. It's sad that people always think that someone is taking some one else fame especially Ayu's fame. If that's the case than Ayu took Namie's fame. :rolleyes

Please guys don't bash Alan like that especially since you can tell that her post was only sympathetic and concerned for Ayumi.

ayu_fantasy 16th January 2008 04:55 PM

Ok den, perhaps Alan is really sincere.. :) chill everyone... :) peace..... haha....

No point quarelling over Alan's message about ayu here... :)...If not there's really no end.. :)..

we all here are ayu fans, so at least we have one thing in common....

ImpactBreaker 16th January 2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitkki (Post 1303818)
You can't possibly assume that in today's day and age that they wouldn't know something better. It just sounds like denial with a hidden agenda to me. I'm sure at least one person is earnestly caring though. They can say what they want, I'm just offering a reaction to it.

Well, years ago, science would disregard acupuncture as a real treatment. Nowadays, it's scientifically proven that acupuncture can treat many health issues, such as certain chronic pains, etc. Even with modern science, where medical work revolves today, it's not always easy to throw away beliefs that have been there for thousands of years. Culture and religion can have a really strong influence in a population.

Luv ~Venus~ 16th January 2008 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy (Post 1303825)
Ok den, perhaps Alan is really sincere.. :) chill everyone... :) peace..... haha....

No point quarelling over Alan's message about ayu here... :)...If not there's really no end.. :)..

we all here are ayu fans, so at least we have one thing in common....

I just can't believe that some people here have the heart and nerve to say that Alan's tryin' to take Ayu's fame. That's all I was saying.

Queen Bee 16th January 2008 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1303722)
To the people who think alan is doing this just to get attention: so do you also think ayu told about her hearing loss just to get attention and publicity? you guys are thinking in that same way honestly :no So nobody has the right to comment on ayu at the risk of them being considered leechers? Who are you guys gonna crucify next? Mao Asada too?

I don't think she's trying to get attention. She's probably been asked about ayu, and the fact she mentions ayu works at the same department probably mean she has some empathy for ayu. And quite honestly, it's stupid to think she'd suddenly become famous just because she talked about ayu. Japanese people will buy her stuff if they like what she sings, not because she talked about ayu. If you guys were rioght, PECO would have a very famous singing career :laugh I'm sure she didn't do that with second intentions.

And, alan doesn't have to prove anything. Her debut single shows she's extremely talented singer. I'm noty sure if her sales are good, but she doesn't really need prove anything, anyway.

I agree with you 100%. I find it very sweet what alan said.

Mirai Noah 16th January 2008 05:33 PM

Aww, how nice of alan! :D

SunshineSlayer 16th January 2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kiseki89 (Post 1303618)
Well the news was leaked out from Ayuchina, which is a Chinese forum. So yeah they knew it first - AHS got this news from AC too...

The people from Team Ayu, ie: the Japanese fans, knew first. It's insulting to the Japanese fans to say that Ayu trusts the Chinese fans first and that's why China found out first. (which isn't even what happened)

And there is a big difference between Mao Asada and Alan. Asada, worldwide, is actually far more well known than Ayumi even. Asada is a well established star and if anything she needs less publicity, not more.

Of course it's possible that she only meant something good in this message, but given the situation and the fact that I'm sure Alan's contact with Ayu is perhaps briefly seeing her in the hallway every once and a while, the opposite is probably more likely. And I don't see how suspecting that is "self centered"? I could say that everyone who doesn't suspect it is "naive." ;)

minna 16th January 2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Neo Daydream (Post 1303317)
*jealous of Chinese fans*

thought the same thing too XD!

wow this is really a touching message :)

~Matt~ 16th January 2008 10:18 PM

I think alan was just trying to help chinese ayu fans in a certain way... don't blame her :dead2

I'm with you alan:P

ImpactBreaker 16th January 2008 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 1304116)
The people from Team Ayu, ie: the Japanese fans, knew first. It's insulting to the Japanese fans to say that Ayu trusts the Chinese fans first and that's why China found out first. (which isn't even what happened)

And there is a big difference between Mao Asada and Alan. Asada, worldwide, is actually far more well known than Ayumi even. Asada is a well established star and if anything she needs less publicity, not more.

Of course it's possible that she only meant something good in this message, but given the situation and the fact that I'm sure Alan's contact with Ayu is perhaps briefly seeing her in the hallway every once and a while, the opposite is probably more likely. And I don't see how suspecting that is "self centered"? I could say that everyone who doesn't suspect it is "naive." ;)

To me being naive is generalizing that all ultra famous people don't ever seek attention and all those who aren't famous are eager to leech on famous artists. In your opinion, the only people who can talk about ayu are those who are more famous than her? O_o;;;...I guess Mika was stealing some attention too when she talked about ayu, ne?



Alan posted that in her blog. She didn't write that for some famous magazine or made an interview for a wide broadcast TV show. It's just her blog, that will be accessed by people who knows her. Actually, some crazed chinese fans (most likely alan fans that were ayu fans as well) were probably bothering her to talk about ayu's situation since she works on avex too, so she decided she would say something about it. If people don't know who the heck alan is, they won't obviously be reading her blog. I doubt what she posted will become worldwide news, but some you guys treat as if it would, and that's naive. It won't become breaking news. Actually, in a week or two, this message will already be forgotten.
People who weren't her fans or knew her won't bother reading her blog. Some alan+ayu fans probably read it and decided to spread those news through ayu forums. I'm sure alan's intention was just to have an answer to her avid fans who are also ayu fans and won't stop asking her about how ayu has been after she announced her hearing loss. It's not her fault.

Last, the fact alan posted this, didn't make me feel like suddenly buying her stuff just because she talked about ayu. And I really doubt the other initiates felt like buying her stuff either, just becuase she revelaed her empathy for ayu.

CHE.R.RY 16th January 2008 11:01 PM

OMG! That's so thoughtful of Alan <3


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