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bluegie 17th April 2010 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_hated (Post 2325981)
she deserves even lower sales; then maybe she could began moving her ass and working in something at least decent.

Well, your statement is a bit rude. As I said that a few times during the past few years, ayu needs to go to a newer direction. She actually did try something new (NL) and she did try something a bit bolder in this album (as far as I've seen from the pics. I still haven't listened to any materials except the singles and microphone). She's not staying at the same place last she did for the past few years. Of course I want her to make something more innovative, but this is not something she can create all of the sudden. Fresh idea doesn't just click, especially for artists who have created more than dozens of songs.

You sound like she's so lazy and just picking things up from the recycle bin. And she deserves for lower sales just because you dun like the album? I dun mind people criticizing artists works (sometimes I do criticize ayu, hikki, etc.), but your comment is just out of manner.

(Sorry if I offend anyone. I dun wanna be rude but his comment is just totally off.)

KuuXAyu-fan 17th April 2010 07:26 AM

Good sales I think the top 3 female studios of 2010 will look like this

1. Namie
2. Koda
3. Ayu

IMO thats really good considering this is Ayu's 11th album and her longevity in the industry has been amazing.

Zeke. 17th April 2010 07:50 AM

See I think that comment by Dark_hated is funny, lol.
It's like how Ku fans make fun of her ****tyness and it's usually all good in that hood.

Masamune 17th April 2010 08:30 AM

At least she got number one 2 days...but I think that one of the reasons is that NEXT LEVEL was a better album than Rock & roll circus

truehappiness 17th April 2010 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Masamune (Post 2326249)
At least she got number one 2 days...but I think that one of the reasons is that NEXT LEVEL was a better album than Rock & roll circus

She's gonna be #1 for the rest of the week (Or at least, she has been #1 since the album came out and is consistently ahead of UVERworld) unless you saw the AT09 #2 positions and thought those were for Rock'n'Roll Circus?

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 2326144)
So I'm kinda over the fact of trying to force myself to "love" this album. I was listening to it while walking home from work today and I actually found myself thinking "God, hurry up with this song so I can move onto the next one" and then finally "Hurry up with listening to Rock'n'Roll Circus songs so I can listen to something else" - it's something I've never found myself thinking before. Wanting an Ayu song to end so I don't have to listen to it? I'm trying... I really am. But I think that this might be... my least favorite Ayu album... I still love you Ayu though :luv2

Ouch. Sounds like this was a complete opposite reaction to an album that one would expect after holding out for so long.

Maybe you need to let the album grow on you?

bluegie 17th April 2010 08:53 AM

Yeah I think Masamune mistaken the album w/ the AT09 DVD. :)

njanjayrp 17th April 2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goto (Post 2325923)
Then why is it that some of japan's most popular actresses/actors nearly always have flop or lackluster music careers? This might come as a shock but if the general public truly doesn't like the music they will not purchase the album/single no matter whose name is on it :yes and since when are only the sales of singles the best way to measure if someones music is popular or not...:confused

I didn't say they DISLIKE her music, just that her image is more popular than her music, and the fact is that Ayu is doing better digitally, as Rule/Sparkle manage to beat WILD/Dr. physically and Sunrise sold way better digitally in 2009. Those are the facts. The digital sales of the songs do show what songs are popular, WILD and Dr. were more or less popular however not more popular than any of the songs Ayu released during the same year and many other female artists who did even better than Ayu (Nishino Kana and JUJU). Namie is popular for her image and dancy tunes, but that doesn't make her songs are huge hits.

The Ku trolls should go away as no one even cares anymore :innocent

SURREAL__RAINBOW 17th April 2010 09:58 AM

I hope this weekend boost sales up a little ;)

ayumisrael 17th April 2010 11:05 AM

4th Day
Position: #1
Sales: 15,297
Total Sales:162,420

It didn't drop much ^^

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Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 2326192)
Good sales I think the top 3 female studios of 2010 will look like this

1. Namie
2. Koda
3. Ayu

IMO thats really good considering this is Ayu's 11th album and her longevity in the industry has been amazing.

Maybe it will be like this but it depends if newer female artists will become popular.
kuu doesn't fit the list though, BEST ~third universe~ is also a compilation album so it doesn't fit the list.
Without the BEST kuu could be the third.

toniayu 17th April 2010 11:21 AM

this album is having very low sales,deserves many more...u_u
BUY THE ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

miroro 17th April 2010 11:23 AM

i'm glad she's still #1
the drop was so small !!<3

love in music 17th April 2010 11:26 AM

I hope it stays the same tomorrow and doesn't just keep dropping and dropping.

Max_ZZZ 17th April 2010 11:28 AM

i hooooope those boxes kick in and give us a nice 200K

i only wish for the album to cross the 300K mark come oooooon

Foyuki 17th April 2010 11:29 AM

oh ...no Concert effect?
weird
sigh

njanjayrp 17th April 2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by toniayu (Post 2326397)
this album is having very low sales,deserves many more...u_u
BUY THE ALBUM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding? :thud For today's standards, this isn't low. For Ayu's standards from 3 years ago, yeah it is.

ayumisrael 17th April 2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Foyuki (Post 2326411)
oh ...no Concert effect?
weird
sigh

I think that music station actually helped a bit with the lower decrease.
Without the perfomance yesterday it could decrease in a half again.

As for the tour there wasn't a tour date yesterday, there is today and tomorrow. ^^

toniayu 17th April 2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 2326418)
Are you kidding? :thud For today's standards, this isn't low. For Ayu's standards from 3 years ago, yeah it is.

xD,for ayu standars from 3 years ago,that's what I mean :D

y_nathz 17th April 2010 11:53 AM

Actually I think it's good for today's JPop standards :D

Mirrorcle Monster 17th April 2010 12:14 PM

Ayu is the most important female artist in Japan, Namie hasnīt been so famous past years, and Koda neither, but Ayu has always been #1 in the charts

aura~ 17th April 2010 12:53 PM

hey.. but weekend sales aren't this ones.. those are from friday... and tomorrow we will know saturday sales, right? And the concert is today, not yesterday...


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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2326156)
I'd like to say, Oricon is not the best "popularity test" ever,
And there are many people in Japan who have simply stopped caring about Oricon,
Dont base her popularity on her "bad sales" on Oricon,
Because she's been getting #1 album on iTunes,
And also she is a very high ranking artist on mu-mo, and other online stores.

I think those who say she is unpopular are greatly exaggerating the situation.
If she wasn't popular, she wouldn't be able to fill arena after arena in one concert tour...

I will never understand where the pessimism comes from in this forum.

Thanks... I often fall on this thought of taking what Oricon says as truth... We are not in Japan, we are not exposed to everything Ayu does, or everything the media says about her. We also don't know what japanese think about her, and if she's really popular or not. We can only find answers in charts and sales, and the most trustable and popular one is Oricon... Then, we only know if ayu does good or bad from this...

Moreover, international fans often take every (sexy) little thing as a treasure... we apreciate the oricon charts, the #1, the polls, her records, if she gets a lot of promotion or not, the CM's, if the tour is long or not, every image no matter when it comes from, the prizes, if the merchandising is good or not, if she repeats songs or costumes in the tour, etc etc...

And I'm sure japanese fans doesn't care of half of this list... XDD

That's our problem...

before being an ayufan I didn't care of what an album was selling, or if it was #1 weekly.. in Spain we don't have those things (plus here if an album sells 100K is a HIT!)


So... yeah... we can't avoid it.. XD

SURREAL__RAINBOW 17th April 2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_hated (Post 2325981)
she deserves even lower sales; then maybe she could began moving her ass and working in something at least decent.


This is one of the most selfish and nonsense comments that I've seen lately coming out of AHS.

And it makes me sad to see some people's way of thinking, makes me believe even more that this World is ****ed up.



EDIT: I mean, you are asking her EVEN MORE? Are you serious? Do you even ask yourself that much?

All the people out there thinking the same way as this individual, Do you ask yourselves as much as you ask others? seriously get a life.





This is for the Spaniards that do not understand it in English
Spoiler:
Este es uno de los comentarios mas egocentricos y sin sentido que e visto ultimamente en AHS.

Me hace sentir apenado el ver como la gente piensa, me hace creer aun mas que este mundo esta jodido.


EDIT: Osea, le estas pidiendo AUN MAS? En serio? Te exiges a ti mismo(a) asi tanto?


Todas las personas que piensen igual que este individuo(a), exigen a otros mas que a uno mismo? En serio, obtengan una vida.

Nackar_91 17th April 2010 01:07 PM

Oricon has lost some of its credibility anyway, due to a scandal that involved a certain firm (I can't remember which) accusing Oricon of inflating Johnny's artist sales and sometimes even decreasing the sales of others to make Johnny no. 1. (There was an example with a Johnny's group and Porno Graffitti, I'll try to find the site."

Many find Soundscan to be more reliable, BUT it doesn't nearly have as many information suppliers so the overall numbers are lower and it's harder to track because they chart every single version seperately.

njanjayrp 17th April 2010 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW (Post 2326527)
This is one of the most selfish and nonsense comments that I've seen lately coming out of AHS.

And it makes me sad to see some people's way of thinking, makes me believe even more that this World is ****ed up.



EDIT: I mean, you are asking her EVEN MORE? Are you serious? Do you even ask yourself that much?

All the people out there thinking the same way as this individual, Do you ask yourselves as much as you ask others? seriously get a life.





This is for the Spaniards that do not understand it in English
Spoiler:
Este es uno de los comentarios mas egocentricos y sin sentido que e visto ultimamente en AHS.

Me hace sentir apenado el ver como la gente piensa, me hace creer aun mas que este mundo esta jodido.


EDIT: Osea, le estas pidiendo AUN MAS? En serio? Te exiges a ti mismo(a) asi tanto?


Todas las personas que piensen igual que este individuo(a), exigen a otros mas que a uno mismo? En serio, obtengan una vida.

Indeed Francisco, nicely said. It seems that regardless of if she is trying to do something new or something that she has done in a new way, people always want her to do more, which is quite sad.

AngelSenshi 17th April 2010 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW (Post 2326527)
This is one of the most selfish and nonsense comments that I've seen lately coming out of AHS.

And it makes me sad to see some people's way of thinking, makes me believe even more that this World is ****ed up.



EDIT: I mean, you are asking her EVEN MORE? Are you serious? Do you even ask yourself that much?

All the people out there thinking the same way as this individual, Do you ask yourselves as much as you ask others? seriously get a life.






This is for the Spaniards that do not understand it in English
Spoiler:
Este es uno de los comentarios mas egocentricos y sin sentido que e visto ultimamente en AHS.

Me hace sentir apenado el ver como la gente piensa, me hace creer aun mas que este mundo esta jodido.


EDIT: Osea, le estas pidiendo AUN MAS? En serio? Te exiges a ti mismo(a) asi tanto?


Todas las personas que piensen igual que este individuo(a), exigen a otros mas que a uno mismo? En serio, obtengan una vida.

Yes! THANK YOU!

Gods, I wonder what the hell people making comments like that are doing around here. Trolling apparently.

Larisa-chan 17th April 2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 2326144)
So I'm kinda over the fact of trying to force myself to "love" this album. I was listening to it while walking home from work today and I actually found myself thinking "God, hurry up with this song so I can move onto the next one" and then finally "Hurry up with listening to Rock'n'Roll Circus songs so I can listen to something else" - it's something I've never found myself thinking before. Wanting an Ayu song to end so I don't have to listen to it? I'm trying... I really am. But I think that this might be... my least favorite Ayu album... I still love you Ayu though :luv2

Wow, I pretty much agree with you here... the only thing I don't agree with is Rock'n'Roll Circus being my least favorite album. That will always go to A Song for XX followed by RAINBOW, haha. But I think I've come to the conclusion that I like Ayu's last 3 albums (Secret, GUILTY, NEXT LEVEL) better than Rock'n'Roll Circus (and I never thought I'd like NL better than this new album!)

Still, no matter what she releases, I like seeing her get #1 and having good sales XD

waterballoon 17th April 2010 02:40 PM

well er. she didn't drop much from yesterday, yay! ^^

Bad Wolf 17th April 2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2324800)
Oricon does not factor in iTunes, or any other of this online download method of buying it, so I think actul, she has sold more than this, as evident by Rock' N' Roll's position as Number 1 on the iTunes charts.

Don't think this album bombed just because of oricon chart.

Quoted for truth!

I think it's interesting how sales charts in Japan and in America (Billboard) are both strange and kinda flawed in their own way. I'm not sure if people realize that, either! A lot of people don't bother with physical copies of CDs these days unless they specifically want album art or photobooks, maybe the PV DVDs that come with it -- the casual listener (or the less luxurious/can't afford it listener ^^; ) of Ayu probably only wants the "meat" -- her songs and videos. Which they can buy off of iTunes for less than they could get in a store, getting the physical copy of the CD/DVD.

To me it makes total sense not to go out and buy a CD when you can get the same thing on iTunes. Easy access, cheaper than the in store purchase.... Photobooks can only persuade some people for so long, and I don't think the average music-listener/buyer really cares all that much for them in the end. (I'm talking about people who aren't like us here on AHS, who just want the songs and PVs and don't really care how pretty Ayu is in this shoot or what clothes she wears in that set XD)

I think if physical CDs want to learn how to survive in this shifting to digital market, they'll either have to make something reaaaaaaaally nice/exclusive for physical releases or just learn to bow out quietly, with dignity. All in all, it's important to bear in mind that Oricon isn't a measure of Ayu's album's success :yes

Lady~Deviance 17th April 2010 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 2326144)
So I'm kinda over the fact of trying to force myself to "love" this album. I was listening to it while walking home from work today and I actually found myself thinking "God, hurry up with this song so I can move onto the next one" and then finally "Hurry up with listening to Rock'n'Roll Circus songs so I can listen to something else" - it's something I've never found myself thinking before. Wanting an Ayu song to end so I don't have to listen to it? I'm trying... I really am. But I think that this might be... my least favorite Ayu album... I still love you Ayu though :luv2

Sad to say, but I agree. A similar scenario happened to me yesterday. I was in my car picking up my son from preschool and kept on skipping over songs on the album. Even he thought some of the songs were boring. :P After listening to the album I quickly began to tire of it. The only songs I actually listen to repeatedly are 'Sunset', 'Ballad', and 'Sunrise'.
But going back to what truhappiness said, I guess I need to let the album grow on me. Hell, it took two years for 'Guilty' to grow on me and I thought it was her worst album ever. Now it's one of my top favorite ayu albums. Oh well, we shall see. For now I'll blast 'Next Level' in my car. ;)

Maemi 17th April 2010 03:04 PM

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4th Day
Position: #1
Sales: 15,297
Total Sales:162,420
wow, that's not bad at all! :D

greenteadrinker 17th April 2010 03:18 PM

Ayu's sales are fine. If you think sales figures are low then you have no idea what state record sales in Japan are in.

To put into perspective, Tohoshinki's Best Selection album hasn't even reached 600,000 in sales (not shipment) yet and that's even when fans know it's possibly going to be their last album as a group of 5.

Anyway I'm not surprised. Every time Ayu releases an album/single, there will always be pple who start to diss her using her sales figures as "proof". So standard behaviour it's already old.

AngelSenshi 17th April 2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by greenteadrinker (Post 2326627)
Ayu's sales are fine. If you think sales figures are low then you have no idea what state record sales in Japan are in.

To put into perspective, Tohoshinki's Best Selection album hasn't even reached 600,000 in sales (not shipment) yet and that's even when fans know it's possibly going to be their last album as a group of 5.
Anyway I'm not surprised. Every time Ayu releases an album/single, there will always be pple who start to diss her using her sales figures as "proof". So standard behaviour it's already old.

That's a very very good example and I have to agree. And sales aren't really a deciding factor, since there are so many ways to buy an album these days (the digital stuff has become really really popular).

It's just certainly nice seeing her at the top of the charts, but the actual figure doesn't mean very much. Her sales are considered low right now, and yet she's still got a decent amount of distance from whoever is #2

PEARL 17th April 2010 05:16 PM

yay it didn't drop that much!!
hope it will stay around there tomorrow too :)~~~~

i don't think oricon is accurate, cannot be they account for EVERY SINGLE CD sold right?
Japan is sooooo big.

AngelSenshi 17th April 2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PEARL (Post 2326756)
yay it didn't drop that much!!
hope it will stay around there tomorrow too :)~~~~

i don't think oricon is accurate, cannot be they account for EVERY SINGLE CD sold right?
Japan is sooooo big.

It's not just that; it's the fact that a lot of people aren't always interested in having physical copies, which is what oricon counts. Digital buying isn't counted by oricon, and these days that's what people do.

~*Mabushii*~ 17th April 2010 05:30 PM

Sales are still looking good IMO! and she's still #1
Keep on going Ayu!

AngelSenshi 17th April 2010 05:39 PM

Still being number one says that sales are certainly still good.

PEARL 17th April 2010 05:44 PM

@AngelSenshi ,o.o so i am not caring for sales anymore since it do not account for digital buying...ayu sure have sold much more than this..if that was the case..

dreamland2.0 17th April 2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelSenshi (Post 2326630)
That's a very very good example and I have to agree. And sales aren't really a deciding factor, since there are so many ways to buy an album these days (the digital stuff has become really really popular).

It's just certainly nice seeing her at the top of the charts, but the actual figure doesn't mean very much. Her sales are considered low right now, and yet she's still got a decent amount of distance from whoever is #2

That's very true...
there's a definite line these days between super high sellers, really good sellers and then just normal sellers that can't reach 100,000...
I think Ayu's sales are fine!!
Actually I don't really care.... as long as I still get to buy her CD's!! lol

AngelSenshi 17th April 2010 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PEARL (Post 2326781)
@AngelSenshi ,o.o so i am not caring for sales anymore since it do not account for digital buying...ayu sure have sold much more than this..if that was the case..

One way of being able to tell this; she's been #1 on iTunes since the album released.

Quote:

That's very true...
there's a definite line these days between super high sellers, really good sellers and then just normal sellers that can't reach 100,000...
I think Ayu's sales are fine!!
Actually I don't really care.... as long as I still get to buy her CD's!! lol
Exactly; she's still a very higher seller, how high that number is currently doesn't matter.

And yes, with me I'm happy as long as I can buy the album and listen to her great music.

Mr. Goto 17th April 2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 2326294)
I didn't say they DISLIKE her music, just that her image is more popular than her music, and the fact is that Ayu is doing better digitally, as Rule/Sparkle manage to beat WILD/Dr. physically and Sunrise sold way better digitally in 2009. Those are the facts. The digital sales of the songs do show what songs are popular, WILD and Dr. were more or less popular however not more popular than any of the songs Ayu released during the same year and many other female artists who did even better than Ayu (Nishino Kana and JUJU). Namie is popular for her image and dancy tunes, but that doesn't make her songs are huge hits.

The Ku trolls should go away as no one even cares anymore :innocent

you're grasping at straws :shrug

A song from PAST<FUTURE called "the meaning of us" has been doing great despite the album being over 4 months old, due to it being the theme of a bee tv drama. Had Namie released it as a re-cut single it would of done amazing. At the beginning of the month the song was still in the top 30 Chaku-uta charts. It's hard to have "hits" when you never release singles that are properly promoted.

According to you "It's not her music that's truly popular.", all the people buying her latest album and tour dvd would probably disagree with you :yes Having just a good image will not take you as far as Namie has come in the past 3 years.

DOLCE 17th April 2010 06:18 PM

^ lol i wouldn't even bother. he has a bad reputation in regards to namie (just ask anyone on jpm)

currently namie is more popular than ayu in every single way ok? that could all change in a matter of months though. the end


also i don't mean to be a downer for this itunes discussion but...itunes isn't that popular in japan. there are a lot of other more popular digital stores that people use over itunes.

Yumsushi 17th April 2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Goto (Post 2326807)
you're grasping at straws :shrug

A song from PAST<FUTURE called "the meaning of us" has been doing great despite the album being over 4 months old, due to it being the theme of a bee tv drama. Had Namie released it as a re-cut single it would of done amazing. At the beginning of the month the song was still in the top 30 Chaku-uta charts. It's hard to have "hits" when you never release singles that are properly promoted.

According to you "It's not her music that's truly popular.", all the people buying her latest album and tour dvd would probably disagree with you :yes Having just a good image will not take you as far as Namie has come in the past 3 years.

What is the chaku-uta certification of meaning of us, since its been charting for 4 months now?
Anyhow, alot of speculation in this thread so of course I'm going to add mine; based on what your saying and the history of Namie's comeback, seems to me that her current success is totally attributed to marketing ala Koda Kumi during the 12 singles era. That Vidal Sasson contract was the best thing Namie could have ever done.
I'm also one of the ones who just cant get into RnR Circus. It flows well, but I just can't find alot of it memorable. Its almost like GUILTY part 2. I wish she'd take her time with the next album and make a Secret, Duty or LoveAppears part 2.

♥Rain 17th April 2010 08:28 PM

what is with the comparisons :no ayu is ayu.
no other artist has come close to what she's already achieved but you don't see anyone remembering that when new sale figures arrive. she's had her peak. she's passed it. she's 12 years old in the music industry and she's still selling this much? i actually applaud her.

the only decline she's ever faced is the normal one that all artists face. for a solo female artist, and with the amount of singles and album(s) she releases yearly, ayu pretty much reigns over the others with her sales altogether. proof can be seen in end of year charts. nuff said. bringing koda, namie (who both have completely different career stories to ayu) or anyone else in this is pointless.

primavera♥ 17th April 2010 08:37 PM

^ merci ^__^ that is needed

joshohhhhh 17th April 2010 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ♥Rain (Post 2327002)
what is with the comparisons :no ayu is ayu.
no other artist has come close to what she's already achieved but you don't see anyone remembering that when new sale figures arrive. she's had her peak. she's passed it. she's 12 years old in the music industry and she's still selling this much? i actually applaud her.

the only decline she's ever faced is the normal one that all artists face. for a solo female artist, and with the amount of singles and album(s) she releases yearly, ayu pretty much reigns over the others with her sales altogether. proof can be seen in end of year charts. nuff said. bringing koda, namie (who both have completely different career stories to ayu) or anyone else in this is pointless.

this :)

AngelSenshi 17th April 2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ♥Rain (Post 2327002)
what is with the comparisons :no ayu is ayu.
no other artist has come close to what she's already achieved but you don't see anyone remembering that when new sale figures arrive. she's had her peak. she's passed it. she's 12 years old in the music industry and she's still selling this much? i actually applaud her.

the only decline she's ever faced is the normal one that all artists face. for a solo female artist, and with the amount of singles and album(s) she releases yearly, ayu pretty much reigns over the others with her sales altogether. proof can be seen in end of year charts. nuff said. bringing koda, namie (who both have completely different career stories to ayu) or anyone else in this is pointless.

this :yes

KuuXAyu-fan 17th April 2010 09:52 PM

What I adore about Kuu & Ayu is that they don't chase after sales, their true artists. Namie and Utada make generic fluffy pop music that sells IMHO.

Nackar_91 17th April 2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 2327089)
What I adore about Kuu & Ayu is that they don't chase after sales, their true artists. Namie and Utada make generic fluffy pop music that sells IMHO.

I'm sorry, but that reeks of fangirlness. Can you prove Namie and Utada make more accessible music (if they even do) for the money? Can you prove Kuu and Ayu are in any way more true artists than the other two?

Obviously you can't. No one can. So all of this comparison is pointless, really >_<

bluegie 17th April 2010 10:16 PM

I just think people should stop bringing other artists to this thread. We all have different taste of music in some degrees, so no need to bring an artist here to trash ayu, or worship ayu as the goddess while dissing the others.

Ayu_Ready 17th April 2010 10:18 PM

do you think Ayu takes care about sales ?

sitara 17th April 2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayu_Ready (Post 2327125)
do you think Ayu takes care about sales ?

she certainly doesn't make a huge deal out of it as people here.
she has been in the business for over 11 years, most of her stuff is #1 anyways.

ayu debuted every album at #1
isn't that an amazing achivement? most artists can only dream of a longevity like that! it's not like avex kicks ayu from the label if she happens to not catch #1. :rolleyes

ayumisrael 17th April 2010 10:31 PM

12 years. XD

Don't look back 17th April 2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan (Post 2327089)
What I adore about Kuu & Ayu is that they don't chase after sales, their true artists. Namie and Utada make generic fluffy pop music that sells IMHO.

as if this isn't chasing sales..

koda kumi - driving hits
koda kumi - driving hits 2
koda kumi - out works & collab best
koda kumi - BEST ~third universe~ PLUS new album packed in 1
not to mention all of the singles she releases

and..
ayumi hamasaki - A BEST 2
ayumi hamasaki - A COMPLETE (just a year later)
ayumi hamasaki - NEXT LEVEL (4 versions)
ayumi hamasaki - Rule/Sparkle (3 versions)
ayumi hamasaki - You were.../BALLAD (3 versions)

Andrenekoi 17th April 2010 10:53 PM

They are all pop musicians... they all have their amount of generic music and useless releases to milk their fans...

Nothing wrong here...

Crystal_Ageha 17th April 2010 10:59 PM

^^ Agreed.

As much as I love both of them, Ayu and Kuu (especially Kuu, lol x_X) have been milked. It may not necessarily be their fault - I don't see either of them caring as much as other artists - but either way, it happened. And that goes for almost everybody under avex. It's just how it is, lol. avex finds something that sells, and they squeeze to get every last cent they can.
But I do agree with Nackar, about how they're true artists. Even if Ayu was shoved in people's faces for years, and even if Kuu's a release *****, when you read their interviews and see them perform, you can tell they're different than a lot of people. I love that about them. Although, I don't necessarily agree that Hikaru isn't a true artist. You can tell, if anything, she loves to write music, and it's often genuine... Well, her Japanese stuff is, at least. I can agree that both Utada's English work and Namie's music is produced for the masses, though. >_< On the other hand, both Ayumi and Kumi have had some mass-produced songs, too. It's just a pop star thing, really. :shrug


EDIT:
I put all that crap about Kumi, thinking I was in the Kumi thread. XD Lol...... I tried to veer back on topic, but ended up flying way in the other direction because it wasn't even the right thread. Oh my. :headache

Bad Wolf 17th April 2010 11:01 PM

^ Agreed. Plus I wouldn't go so far as to say either artist is individually responsible for the idea of a "best of/compilation" album. Even in the west, the labels and record companies are the ones to put together those ideas, right? For a guaranteed hit. Compilation albums = $$$ (or ¥¥¥ as the case may be), so instead of blaming Kuu or Ayu for best of/obviously ploys for sales boosts, blame the label~ But even "blame" is too strong a word because all musicians are, to the label, a means to an end. That "end" is profit and making money. To survive a label is going to do whatever they can to ensure sales and profit. That's just a fact of the business life.

Mr. Goto 18th April 2010 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2326901)
What is the chaku-uta certification of meaning of us, since its been charting for 4 months now?

From the last chaku-uta update I read I don't think think it received a certification yet. It's just been hovering around the top 20-50 for the past couple months.

Abby 18th April 2010 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ♥Rain (Post 2327002)
what is with the comparisons :no ayu is ayu.
no other artist has come close to what she's already achieved but you don't see anyone remembering that when new sale figures arrive. she's had her peak. she's passed it. she's 12 years old in the music industry and she's still selling this much? i actually applaud her.

the only decline she's ever faced is the normal one that all artists face. for a solo female artist, and with the amount of singles and album(s) she releases yearly, ayu pretty much reigns over the others with her sales altogether. proof can be seen in end of year charts. nuff said. bringing koda, namie (who both have completely different career stories to ayu) or anyone else in this is pointless.

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Originally Posted by bluegie (Post 2327119)
I just think people should stop bringing other artists to this thread. We all have different taste of music in some degrees, so no need to bring an artist here to trash ayu, or worship ayu as the goddess while dissing the others.

These...:yes

Stop comparing AYU with other singers... this is a thread to have the number of AYU's sales...not to compare her with others...here should be info. about AYU...only...
If you want to make comparisons...go to another, more appropriate thread ^^

I got lost and had to go to the first page for the 4th day sales...thing that I really don't like doing...
I like to read peoples thoughts, whether or not I agree with them...

Anyways...I see AYU is still #1!!
I'm so proud!! :D

jbrat2219 18th April 2010 02:46 AM

Could someone explain to me why these are good sales? I'm not saying they're bad or I'm disappointed, but how is this album comparing with other major female artists? I can't remember what Kumi's UNIVERSE sold...

Crystal_Ageha 18th April 2010 02:55 AM

^ Well, when you say "major", the only solo females that come to mind are, of course, Ayu, Kuu and Amuro. Now, Namie's sales are a little over half a million, in case you don't know, and that's considered very amazing....which is sad. :( Kuu's sales are also considered pretty good, but UNIVERSE has only sold about 350k, I believe. -_- Oh, and Kaela Kimura isn't as big as those three, but her best album sold 'wonderfully', at about 400k, if I remember correctly. And considering Rock'n'Roll Circus is already in the top 25 for the year, well..... :headache

adantatu2 18th April 2010 02:57 AM

Solo females + girls groups

Koda Kumi UNIVERSE 221,887 (FIRST WEEK)
Namie Amuro PAST<FUTURE 330,742 (FIRST WEEK)
aiko BABY 135,541 (FIRST WEEK)
JUJU JUJU 47,903 (FIRST WEEK)
AKB48 Kamikyokutachi 294,627 (FIRST WEEK)
BoA IDENTITY 37,606 (FIRST WEEK)
Perfume ⊿ 210,576 (FIRST WEEK)
alan my life 11,748 (FIRST WEEK)
Ai Otsuka LOVE LETTER 104,232 (FIRST WEEK)
Kaela Kimura 5years 215,974 (FIRST WEeK)


Ayu sells pretty well and you know alan sells much less, but i'm her fan too

~X2RADialbomber~ 18th April 2010 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by adantatu2 (Post 2327394)
Solo females + girls groups

Koda Kumi UNIVERSE 221,887 (FIRST WEEK)

Wasn't UNIVERSE a best album + studio album package? If so, I don't think it would be fair to compare UNIVERSE's sales with Rock'n'Roll Circus.

Oh and by the way, some of you need to seriously get a life. That is all. :P

ayuinh.k? 18th April 2010 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adantatu2 (Post 2327394)
Solo females + girls groups

Koda Kumi UNIVERSE 221,887 (FIRST WEEK)
AKB48 Kamikyokutachi 294,627 (FIRST WEEK)
Kaela Kimura 5years 215,974 (FIRST WEEK)


these are best albums..they shouldn't be used to compare rock'n'roll circus :grumpy

i wonder how long it will take OR when for oricon to implement digital downloads (chaku-uta, recochoku, itunes) onto single/album/dvd sales..i know billboard in U.S mixes physical & digital sales together :P

jbrat2219 18th April 2010 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal_Ageha (Post 2327392)
^ Well, when you say "major", the only solo females that come to mind are, of course, Ayu, Kuu and Amuro. Now, Namie's sales are a little over half a million, in case you don't know, and that's considered very amazing....which is sad. :( Kuu's sales are also considered pretty good, but UNIVERSE has only sold about 350k, I believe. -_- Oh, and Kaela Kimura isn't as big as those three, but her best album sold 'wonderfully', at about 400k, if I remember correctly. And considering Rock'n'Roll Circus is already in the top 25 for the year, well..... :headache

I always thought there were more than just AyuKuuMie (my pet name for the Goddess Trio lol). Whatever happened to AI?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by adantatu2 (Post 2327394)
Solo females + girls groups

Koda Kumi UNIVERSE 221,887 (FIRST WEEK)
Namie Amuro PAST<FUTURE 330,742 (FIRST WEEK)
aiko BABY 135,541 (FIRST WEEK)
JUJU JUJU 47,903 (FIRST WEEK)
AKB48 Kamikyokutachi 294,627 (FIRST WEEK)
BoA IDENTITY 37,606 (FIRST WEEK)
Perfume ⊿ 210,576 (FIRST WEEK)
alan my life 11,748 (FIRST WEEK)
Ai Otsuka LOVE LETTER 104,232 (FIRST WEEK)
Kaela Kimura 5years 215,974 (FIRST WEeK)


Ayu sells pretty well and you know alan sells much less, but i'm her fan too

Ah, thanks! This is what I was looking for! I don't know some of these people but now it does look like Ayu is doing well compared to others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~X2RADialbomber~ (Post 2327406)
Wasn't UNIVERSE a best album + studio album package? If so, I don't think it would be fair to compare UNIVERSE's sales with Rock'n'Roll Circus.

You know, I was genuinely a bit surprised when UNIVERSE didn't sell. Setting aside my personal feelings ( I think it sucks, sorry ) and the fact that Kumi has several other best albums previous to this one, I thought it would still do much better than it has been. Yes, the sales are great so far but a best plus an original studio album just seems like a great package to me. If Ayu were to do the same for her 15th or 20th, you better believe I would blow all my money on it. :laugh

truehappiness 18th April 2010 04:03 AM

Just for a bit of a comparison of Ayu's first weeks~

RAINBOW - 1,016,000
A BALLADS - 474,600
Memorial address - 524,028
MY STORY - 574,321
(miss)understood - 654,000 (2 weeks total)
Secret - 386,000
A BEST 2 -BLACK/WHITE- - 470,057 / 475,284
GUILTY - 432,113 (2 weeks total)
A COMPLETE ~ALL SINGLES~ - 538,876
NEXT LEVEL - 240,810
Rock'n'Roll Circus - 180-190k?

adantatu2 18th April 2010 04:09 AM

I hope a sunday miracle!!!!!!!!!!

Crystal_Ageha 18th April 2010 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2327424)
I always thought there were more than just AyuKuuMie (my pet name for the Goddess Trio lol). Whatever happened to AI?!



Ah, thanks! This is what I was looking for! I don't know some of these people but now it does look like Ayu is doing well compared to others...

"Ai"..? You mean Ai Otsuka, I assume (since AI, sadly, has never been a big seller)? Nobody knows what the hell happened to her, lol. :(
Also, a lot of those names aren't solos, they're groups. And like somebody else mentioned, a few are also bests. So take that into consideration, too.
And damn, I forgot to mention aiko! >_<' She's the only other solo worth mentioning, really...

mimi.chan 18th April 2010 04:24 AM

It's nice to see Ayu on #1 and all but I don't see what the big deal is.. Imo the most important is that she's still singing and she's still active. She's my favorite singer and not only that.. her as a person, her sales really means nothing to me. As long as she's famous to me she's famous forever.
Also, like many has mentioned... Japanese is more digital now... they LOVE their phones and they will buy from iTunes/mu-mo it's just been more popular thing now in Japan to buy songs digitally instead of the physical CDs. I would say unless they are really hardcore fans that they probably won't buy the CDs... I buy CDs and even if I could get from mu-mo or iTunes I'd rather have the CD b/c I'm just like that... I like having her poster and photobooks haha now if I didn't care about those.. I'd be like the rest and buy digitally LOL

btw.. I used to not like RnR album.. now I love it.. well basically these three songs.. count down, last links and meaning of love :D

Yumsushi 18th April 2010 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Goto (Post 2327332)
From the last chaku-uta update I read I don't think think it received a certification yet. It's just been hovering around the top 20-50 for the past couple months.

Hmm. Strange that's its yet to be certified after 4 months; maybe then its not the hit its appears to be.
JUJU's physical sales are tragic. Isn't she the Chaku Uta monster?
I'm going to pray for some Avex magic for the weekend sales.

truehappiness 18th April 2010 04:45 AM

The Meaning of Us will probably make a bit of a dent in the yearly charts if it keeps ranking the way it does for the rest of the year.

(Ayu's Days PV was on the chaku movie chart basically from December 2008 to December 2009... #1 in the chaku movie category! Haha. I wish we could see how much it sold...)

kuri♥ayu 18th April 2010 04:46 AM

Not to be mean or anything but ayu will never release another "Duty", "I am..." or whatever album you like best. Just like us, ayu grows & changes over the years. She can't be stuck in the same era forever. So I think the most you can hope for is ayu to release a new album that you'll love as much as your favorite ones.

adantatu2 18th April 2010 04:50 AM

^That's true, ayu is growing and changing, her music is not the same (but i like it year by year), and
I wonder if the new album of YUI can sells more than RnRC. her last singles sells more than 100k

KarenPang 18th April 2010 05:09 AM

^ maybe yes , maybe no ?

cos her last album I LOVED YESTERDAY did not sold as well as CAN'T BUY MY LOVE

then again I LOVED YESTERDAY was released some 2 years back so anything goes & the CD + DVD's of her singles which're deemed limited editions are always out of print pretty fast on online sites

like for to Mother , the CD + DVD's already out of print on CDJapan when I checked last night

jbrat2219 18th April 2010 05:15 AM

YUI!!! That's the other girl I forgot about! She's definitely making a come back I hear. But I guess 100k-200k is the new norm now.

Btw, Ayu's doing very well digitally. Does iTunes release the figures on how many copies were downloaded? Of the whole album I mean, it has to be at least 8 or more tracks no?

brener 18th April 2010 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adantatu2 (Post 2327435)
I hope a sunday miracle!!!!!!!!!!

me too *-*

PEARL 18th April 2010 06:43 AM

wow even BEST albums are not selling very well so ayu is doing quite ok with just a normal album~ if theres an A BALLADS 2 or something.....

Zeke. 18th April 2010 07:19 AM

Yeah I'm unsure if this album will ever fully "grow" on me. I think after my first listen, I've grown to like it less and less. It's like, if it weren't by Ayu, I wouldn't like it at all. It's just my fandom giving it a chance.

Seriously, at this point I am actually contemplating my idea of boycotting Ayu for an entire year. By boycott I mean, not listening to any of the singles this next year. No previews either. No PV shoots as well. That way when the next album arrives, I'll have ALL NEW MATERIAL! It would be one hell of a project and I'm curious to actually try it out!

Another thing that really effects the way people rank albums is weather or not they heard the singles prior to the album... Like if some people just discovered Ayu and then went back and downloaded albums, their opinions and the effect the album would have on them would be completely different than the rest. I used to think I was disappointed in (miss)understood, but as time has gone by I begin to view the album as a whole, singles and all.

truehappiness 18th April 2010 07:47 AM

Quote:

That way when the next album arrives, I'll have ALL NEW MATERIAL! It would be one hell of a project and I'm curious to actually try it out!
But didn't you do this for the Rock'n'Roll Circus album as a whole... and it backfired? -blinks-

SURREAL__RAINBOW 18th April 2010 07:57 AM

is not like everyone was gonna love the album anyway

GUILTY was hated and loved at the same time... same thing happened with NEXT LEVEL, and with all albums too


so I'm even more excited now, seeing all the good feedback from RnRC as well as the negative ones, because yeah, I'm one of the ones that haven't listened to the album xD I will get my copy on monday (hopefully) *o*

bluegie 18th April 2010 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by all.night.raver (Post 2327575)
By boycott I mean, not listening to any of the singles this next year. No previews either. No PV shoots as well. That way when the next album arrives, I'll have ALL NEW MATERIAL! It would be one hell of a project and I'm curious to actually try it out!

That means you have to eliminate AHS as well (at least the ayu section) for the rest of the year. It'll be so hard not to download anything from ayu for a single year if you keep on visiting this forum :P.

I will not do that, at least not till I've download the full version of MOON lol :D. I have higher expectation for this song since it's composed by the same person who did ASfxx :). Hopefully I won't be disappointed ;).

Quote:

Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW (Post 2327594)
is not like everyone was gonna love the album anyway

Actually there was a period where almost everyone (like 99% of the ayu nation) loved every single material ayu released... That was around LOVEppears/Duty/I am... period.

SURREAL__RAINBOW 18th April 2010 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluegie (Post 2327595)

Actually there was a period where almost everyone (like 99% of the ayu nation) loved every single material ayu released... That was around LOVEppears/Duty/I am... period.


ugh I was trying to emphasize more on her latest works but okay xD I mean there's no way we could even think on comparing her latest albums/singles/etc with what she was doing back then.

And you could think everyone loves those albums, but there's people out there in the universe that hates them so much xD and that surprised me.

bluegie 18th April 2010 08:17 AM

I guess the people out there in the universe might not be the ayu fans :P hehe. I was in a ayu newsgroup back then, and it was actually very hard to find a person hate something from ayu.

Anywayz.. any mid-day sales figure for today??

Didz-19 18th April 2010 09:19 AM

well..anybody knows the mid-day sales figure? anyone?

truehappiness 18th April 2010 10:36 AM

*1 16,737 浜
*2 *7,144 UVER
*3 *4,203 神曲

If this is for real, then her sales went up for today!

Foyuki 18th April 2010 10:41 AM

oh no no no -,-
no no no =,=
no effect -<-/////
I thought today would be over 20k

truehappiness 18th April 2010 10:44 AM

Why would today be over 20,000?

Foyuki 18th April 2010 10:46 AM

Because of the TOUR effect!!
and weekend effect
BUT it hasn't been better than I thought

truehappiness 18th April 2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Foyuki (Post 2327712)
Because of the TOUR effect!!
and weekend effect

The tour probably helped a lot. By Monday, the sales should be really low compared to the weekend, haha.

*1 *,558,605 **1,231 PAST<FUTURE / 安室奈美恵 09/12/16
*2 *,524,281 **7,494 BEST SELECTION 2010 / 東方神起 10/02/17
*3 *,507,012 **4,060 ハジマリノウタ / いきものがかり 09/12/23
*4 *,464,707 **8,595 ファンキーモンキーベイビーズBEST / FUNKY MONKEY BABYS 10/02/10
*5 *,426,813 **3,717 5years / 木村カエラ 10/02/03
*6 *,368,782 **1,476 愛すべき未来へ / EXILE 09/12/02 累計1,265,877
*7 *,354,840 **1,993 BEST~third universe~ & 8th AL "UNIVERSE" / 倖田來未 10/02/03
*8 *,294,627 294,627 神曲たち / AKB48 10/04/07
*9 *,284,664 ***,551 あの・・・こんなんできましたケド。 / 遊助 09/12/16
10 *,226,578 **5,500 All the BEST! 1999-2009 / 嵐 09/08/19 累計1,659,359
11 *,182,054 **1,593 リサイタル / ヒルクライム 10/01/13
12 *,173,612 *20,050 ONE PIECE MEMORIAL BEST / Various Artists 10/03/17 <--Ayu is now under this ONE PIECE MEMORIAL BEST in the yearlies
13 *,169,196 ***,934 Every Best Singles ~COMPLETE~ / Every Little Thing 09/12/23
14 *,167,765 **1,916 スポーツ / 東京事変 10/02/24
15 *,165,055 *29,514 BABY / aiko 10/03/31
16 *,158,930 ***,419 What's flumpool!? / flumpool 09/12/23
17 *,156,627 **3,738 うれしくって抱きあうよ / YUKI 10/03/10
18 *,155,833 **1,872 いままでのA面、B面ですと!? / GReeeeN 09/11/25 累計532,257
19 *,149,542 **6,803 The Fame Monster / Lady Gaga 09/11/18 累計207,972
20 *,142,745 ***,*** Olympos / LANDS 10/01/13

bluegie 18th April 2010 10:50 AM

^^ Hmmmn, true.. but the weekend effect has gone since.. two years ago? (for all artists). I dunno why tho. Back then it's almost a guarantee that the weekend sales would get a boost up from the horrible Friday sales.

@TH: for a second, I thought that number 16,737 was the figure w/o multiplier... :no :P

toniayu 18th April 2010 10:51 AM

hopefully sales rise u_u

truehappiness 18th April 2010 10:52 AM

  ネクレベ ロクローサカス

火 *99,200 *85,142
水 *48,318 *42,288
木 *24,935 *19,693
金 *17,208 *15,297
土 *18,089 *16,737
日 *20,167
━━━━━━━━━━━━
計 227,917  179,157
週 240,810 
累 379,989

NEXT LEVEL vs. Rock'n'Roll Circus

bluegie 18th April 2010 10:53 AM

It still has the potential to break 200K on the first week :yes.

toniayu 18th April 2010 10:55 AM

^i hope =)

truehappiness 18th April 2010 10:56 AM

I'm actually kind of scared that the first press handwritten lyric sheets are going to be stuck in stores at this rate... aie.~

bluegie 18th April 2010 10:59 AM

Thinking about that it's kinda funny... At the same time I feel sorry for ayu. She has spent her time on writing the lyrics.

And I feel sorry for us... none of us got those precious handwritten lyric sheets... :cry

AngelSenshi 18th April 2010 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2327727)
I'm actually kind of scared that the first press handwritten lyric sheets are going to be stuck in stores at this rate... aie.~

I'll really really cry if that happens...

toniayu 18th April 2010 11:02 AM

I do not know why Japanese people do not buy the album,with the amount of gifts that brings u_u

truehappiness 18th April 2010 11:03 AM

They are buying it, but with 400,000 first press copies, it seems like they'll be gotten by random purchasers later on months from now~~

toniayu 18th April 2010 11:06 AM

^yes...poor ayu

bluegie 18th April 2010 11:07 AM

Because they dun really care? A handwritten sheet is pretty useless unless you are her fan. Let's supposed Namie wrote lyric sheets during BEST FICTION, and I got one, I would be quite happy, but not like I would put it in a safe.

Yeah.. if I could get a lyric sheet from ayu or hikki, I would definitely frame it, then hide it in a place that it will never be stolen :P.

I Am... Aaron 18th April 2010 11:08 AM

She deserves success with this album. She put so much heart into it and has, and is doing, so much.

I bought 3 copies altogether, and I urge any of you guys (who can manage it) to buy an extra copy! Why not buy one as a gift to a friend or family member? Get some more new fans out of it and help boost the sales a bit. As a group we can do something about this! :)


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