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njanjayrp 10th June 2011 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 2699697)
I'm not saying people who LOVE it are blind or biased - I am saying when they get so worked up because other people don't love something. None of us hate Ayu or we wouldn't keep coming here. It's natural to feel sad sometimes when you love someone so much and have loved their music and then the releases start hitting you less and less. None of us want that but some of us start to feel that way and then there's the message like "Well too bad for you, I still love it! Heard the first 5 seconds of the new song and it's already the best song of the year!" - stuff like that. :rolleyes
A lot of the time it's not Ayu but its avex and/or the quality of releases now (not the actual songs but the PVs, promotions, covers).

Also, I am satisfied with releases and usually they grow on me and then I love them more because they are different. But it's only natural to think about how fierce it was at a certain point. I still love her releases and all, and after a year passes I usually love the previous release even more! But there is nothing wrong with missing the "spark". It's not like we are ungrateful for what she is releasing, but just can't deny and reminisce about other works and compare.

What I'm trying to get at is I just hate it when fans decide to actually review her music and if it's somewhat negative, even if it is a well written opinion and not just a "AYU SUCKS" - they are looked down on by some. Ayu could release a song of farts and giggles and some fans would still think of it as super amazing.
OK I get what you're saying, but every fandome has fans like that and in a way it's always good to have at least a few of those passionate fans, who are prolly younger and will grow up and change sooner or later. I myself don't understand how some people can be fans of "insert a random idol band" and like all the stuff they put out and if I said anything I'd prolly get crucified, so if you are aware you'll get bashed for having an opinion then don't post it at all, as you know what kind of reaction you can expect or simply don't care about what others say and still post how you feel about something. What I am trying to say is that there will always be people like that in every forum/fan base.

The thing that annoys me is when people try the song only once and then diss it off right away and yet they still manage to form this opinion and are able to write pages with all the reasons they dislike a song. As you said, sometimes you just have to let something grow on you. Ayu works hard to make those songs so trying it a few more times isn't going to kill anyone. Also there is the fact that the majority of Ayu's international fan base can't understand what she is singing about so all they want are catchy melodies and she can't have those all the time.

Andrenekoi 10th June 2011 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 2699740)
Also there is the fact that the majority of Ayu's international fan base can't understand what she is singing about so all they want are catchy melodies and she can't have those all the time.
This is a good point... many of her most bland sounding music also has some of her strongest lyrics... And this isn't an accident, by having a simpler melody, she is focusing that song on what she is trying to say... as I don't speak japanese, doesn't work for me

Zeke. 10th June 2011 05:47 PM
^ I actually think simpler melodies work better (Days and JEWEL were said to be simple and I love them). Simple melodies stick, more complex/complicated/awkward melodies don't.

jbrat2219 10th June 2011 05:52 PM
Days had such great lyrics in my opinion. Same with JEWEL <3

ストロボ・EdGE 10th June 2011 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2699829)
This is a good point... many of her most bland sounding music also has some of her strongest lyrics... And this isn't an accident, by having a simpler melody, she is focusing that song on what she is trying to say... as I don't speak japanese, doesn't work for me
I think so too.

teddy bear, winding road, untitled~for her~, RED LINE, MY ALL, JEWEL, etc have very typical or some might even say completely unoriginal melodies and compositions and some of them are often disliked but I feel these songs have very strong and poignant lyrics compared to, say, sending mail or Last angel where the music is all schizophrenic.


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lol, its true though.

Ayu's career doesn't even mirror Madonna's that much. when Madonna would do a new genre, she would really get deep into it. Ayu never took experimentation to that level imo, so no one should expect it.
Mmm, well I guess Ayu wouldn't exactly completely change her genre like Madonna does, but Asfxx, LOVEppears, Duty, RAINBOW, and I am... are such starkly different albums and styles, at least to my ears. Since Memorial Address and on, it's like she's found her signature style and has stuck to it, with exceptions here and there.

tetsuo69 10th June 2011 07:15 PM
i have no problem with the melody but with her voice.

jbrat2219 10th June 2011 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE (Post 2699915)
Mmm, well I guess Ayu wouldn't exactly completely change her genre like Madonna does, but Asfxx, LOVEppears, Duty, RAINBOW, and I am... are such starkly different albums and styles, at least to my ears. Since Memorial Address and on, it's like she's found her signature style and has stuck to it, with exceptions here and there.
I would say her signature style started with RAINBOW because I still hear influences from that album every now and then, most recently in Love songs. Can you hear the subtle reference to Real me in sending mail? Or a bit of Heartplace in Last Links?

Maemi 10th June 2011 07:41 PM
When is the single going to be released? September?

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Originally Posted by tetsuo69 (Post 2699979)
i have no problem with the melody but with her voice.
Yes, I know, nowadays it's becoming harder and harder for me to listen to some of her songs, I hope she'll be able to improve at least a bit.

isthisLOL? 10th June 2011 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Maemi (Post 2700005)
When is the single going to be released? September?


Yes, I know, nowadays it's becoming harder and harder for me to listen to some of her songs, I hope she'll be able to improve at least a bit.
She has been improving nonstop since late 2007 or early 2008. Her range extended again(very noticable on NEXT LEVEL and Love Songs especially), she gained more control, hits more notes and can control her vibrato better again. Just watch any performance from 2010 and compare it to what she did in 2007-2009. I'd say from what we heard in 2010 and what fans say about her new tour that she probably(now, not 2010) is at 2005/2006 vocal level again.

truehappiness 10th June 2011 08:28 PM
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When is the single going to be released? September?
It's likely that it'll be out the week of / the week before Tales of Xillia's release. However, I guess it really depends on the competition. Apparently August is swamped with huge sellers all month.

Regarding Ayu's voice, I don't know if I hear this huuuge difference that some people do. Maybe it's because I know artists who have had much larger changes in their vocals and technique, so whatever is different about Ayu's voice now compared to "back then" is so minute (in recordings, specifically) that it isn't that audible to me, lol.

During live performances however, it was obvious that the deaf ear affected her in 2007/2008 but she has been improving steadily since then. To rank her voice from 2005 to now for comparison's sake... I'd say...

01. 2005/2006/2011 (according to those who have heard her live at POWER of MUSIC)
02. 2010
03. 2009
04. 2008
05. 2007

During 2007 and 2008, she had some really huge issues with vibrato but since then she's really lightened up on it. I wonder if she was self aware of that at all at the time. Anyway, I feel like she's made tremendous progress [woah pun] since she had to figure out a way to deal with only being able to hear from one ear. It's like she just keeps getting better~

isthisLOL? 10th June 2011 08:42 PM
^ I think in studio recordings you can mostly hear how her range increased only, which is a big part of vocals though.
Especially on NEXT LEVEL(beautiful headvoice notes in GREEN) and Love Songs(Like a Doll, Last Angel and other songs I can't think of right now had quite high notes for which she did not use headvoice/falsetto and which she hasn't reached for a long time or only screamed(Rule))

ストロボ・EdGE 10th June 2011 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 2700003)
I would say her signature style started with RAINBOW because I still hear influences from that album every now and then, most recently in Love songs. Can you hear the subtle reference to Real me in sending mail? Or a bit of Heartplace in Last Links?
Musically, definitely her summer songs like BLUE BIRD, Sunrise, fairyland, etc are modeled after independent and July 1st from RAINBOW era, and yeah you can definitely see lyrical references in her newer works.

More recently November seems like it borrowed from a lot of older works and so did crossroad, among others I've noticed.

I guess we can never be sure to what extent it's on purpose, though.

maikaru 10th June 2011 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2700007)
She has been improving nonstop since late 2007 or early 2008. Her range extended again(very noticable on NEXT LEVEL and Love Songs especially), she gained more control, hits more notes and can control her vibrato better again. Just watch any performance from 2010 and compare it to what she did in 2007-2009. I'd say from what we heard in 2010 and what fans say about her new tour that she probably(now, not 2010) is at 2005/2006 vocal level again.
2006 Vocals were NOT good and I don't think it should be a benchmark for her vocals... If you go back and watch Arena Tour 2006 tour, you can hear that her vocals were NOT strong at all. It's the charisma that was carrying the performances because she looks SOOO fresh and energetic. 2008, 2009 tours, she looked so tired and out of it + her vocals were bad. 2010, her vocals were so improved and she also looked fresh, so it was great! IMO, her vocal best was 2003 ~ 2004. A Museum!!

Andrenekoi 10th June 2011 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ストロボ・EdGE (Post 2699915)
Mmm, well I guess Ayu wouldn't exactly completely change her genre like Madonna does, but Asfxx, LOVEppears, Duty, RAINBOW, and I am... are such starkly different albums and styles, at least to my ears. Since Memorial Address and on, it's like she's found her signature style and has stuck to it, with exceptions here and there.
Well, now I have to disagree a little...

I do find a lot of her earlier singles interchangeable between her albums... audience could easily fit loveppears, duty or i am... for example... and while I agree she tends to have 2 "generic" singles on every era, the summer single and the winter single, plus the concert ending song, that sounds very similar too, I would say most of her albums are really different from each other...

Ayu's music is mostly made of a mix of three influences: Dance, rock and classical music... And even when she tries other styles, she mix this style to her own sound instead of totally changing it, having songs that mix her 3 main genres with the theme of the album.

I can see a similar patern on those:

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A song for xx - standart japanese pop/rock from the 90s. Example: A song for xx

LOVEppears - eletronic album with dark and cold tone... I'm not familiar with eletronic music subgenres, but She has a main one here. Example: Appears

Duty - the start of her trying to find out her own sound, so, this album mix a lot of different stuff and tie then together with it's dark tone. Example: Duty

I am... - At this point, she still is trying to find her sound, and she reaches it on some songs like M and evolution... the album doesn't have a main sounding, but It ends being one of her most personal album.... Example: M

Rainbow - the first time she starts producing a album after her sound was found, totally based on her mix of rock, dance, classic, what are the most proiminent elements on 90% of what she releases after this era. Example: Free & Easy

Memorial Address - It doesn't have a main sound or a main tone, still, it's the first time she played with her own sound and started experiementing with it... but if you read the lyrics in the tracklist order, it really does seen like the whole album is a memorial address.

My Story - She takes the experiements started on Memorial Address further, and while she keeps her mix of dance, rock and classic, the rock is the most focused of those. As she is experiementing, she album doesn't have a cohesive sound, but still, it's very personal... I see it as I am...2. Example: Moments

(miss)understood - I do find this one to be very cohesive, even if there is a lof of diversity... IMO it's come from the big influence from 70s and 80s western music u listen here, and that is reflected even on the album artwork and on the tour aesthetics. Example: Step you

Secret - Memorial Address 2 at first, when it became a full album, it gained influences from hard rock. Example: 1Love

Guilty - Even if I like the album and how it flows, it obvious her main influence here came later: Melodic Metal. It's her heavier sounding and probably her darkest album to date. Example: Marionette

Next Level - People hates this one, I love it... This time Ayu put some electropop + 8bit on her formula, releasing one of her most danceable albums, if not the most... At varying degrees, almost everysong reminds of videogame at some point. Example: Sparkle

Rock n Roll Circus - I am... 3. She is experiementing with her own style, she is trying different things, she is going everywhere and evolving her own sound... again, not cohesive, but very personal. Example: Microphone

Love songs - This time, while she focus on her main formula, the bigger part on the rock/dance/classic is the classic, making an grand still soft album, with a more mature sound. Example: Love Song


Someone talked about Madonna... there are some elements from her definitive albums, True blue and Like a Prayer, that still are present on her music... and always part of her music on every chance

njanjayrp 10th June 2011 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2700034)
2006 Vocals were NOT good and I don't think it should be a benchmark for her vocals... If you go back and watch Arena Tour 2006 tour, you can hear that her vocals were NOT strong at all. It's the charisma that was carrying the performances because she looks SOOO fresh and energetic. 2008, 2009 tours, she looked so tired and out of it + her vocals were bad. 2010, her vocals were so improved and she also looked fresh, so it was great! IMO, her vocal best was 2003 ~ 2004. A Museum!!
I couldn't agree more.

isthisLOL? 10th June 2011 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 2700034)
2006 Vocals were NOT good and I don't think it should be a benchmark for her vocals... If you go back and watch Arena Tour 2006 tour, you can hear that her vocals were NOT strong at all. It's the charisma that was carrying the performances because she looks SOOO fresh and energetic. 2008, 2009 tours, she looked so tired and out of it + her vocals were bad. 2010, her vocals were so improved and she also looked fresh, so it was great! IMO, her vocal best was 2003 ~ 2004. A Museum!!
2006 vocals were worse than 2005 but still quite powerful and she HAD her moments, but yes, it's when it started going downhill. I was mostly referring to CDL0506 which still had good vocals and only a few later performances.

hsienko 10th June 2011 09:51 PM
Although I like the song and I can't wait for the single, I'm getting kinda of tired of her releasing a string of "full-blooded" songs that sort of sit in the "middle" of the spectrum. I would love it if she would release something that leaned more towards specific sound/genre like rock or pop or electronic etc to mix it up a bit.

RayJason 11th June 2011 12:11 AM
Oh my lord yes, YES this is delicious I love this !!! Especially the beginning towards the point it gets to the "blossom part" (where ayu sings), and then I love it again at the chorus untill the end :D. Great song!

sailorseraphim 11th June 2011 01:00 AM
LOVE IT!!!
It sounds like a combination of the vocal style of old Ayu, combined with her newer musical style. <3 <3 <3

Zeke. 11th June 2011 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hsienko (Post 2700070)
Although I like the song and I can't wait for the single, I'm getting kinda of tired of her releasing a string of "full-blooded" songs that sort of sit in the "middle" of the spectrum. I would love it if she would release something that leaned more towards specific sound/genre like rock or pop or electronic etc to mix it up a bit.
Exactly!

kagami 11th June 2011 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2700039)
Well, now I have to disagree a little...

I do find a lot of her earlier singles interchangeable between her albums... audience could easily fit loveppears, duty or i am... for example... and while I agree she tends to have 2 "generic" singles on every era, the summer single and the winter single, plus the concert ending song, that sounds very similar too, I would say most of her albums are really different from each other...

Ayu's music is mostly made of a mix of three influences: Dance, rock and classical music... And even when she tries other styles, she mix this style to her own sound instead of totally changing it, having songs that mix her 3 main genres with the theme of the album.
I completely agree, especially with the bold part. But I also think a number of her album tracks from her earlier era could be interchangeable as well.

I do think she started to find her sound, the best way for her to musically express herself. But I always maintain that some of her experimentation in these later years has been much, much more out there than anything she did earlier on. B&D, Slt, Mirrorcle World etc.

And, finally, I'm glad she has a solid base for her sound. It's makes her so totally Ayu and it's what I look forward to when I listen to her:)

ownsarai 11th June 2011 04:27 AM
I really like how this sounds. It kind of reminds me of blossom in the beginning.
I cannot wait to hear this song~ I'm really excited for it!

Zeke. 11th June 2011 04:46 AM
About the "generic" summer/winter songs... That's something we have come to know (and love) Ayu by... isn't it? It's somewhat predictable, but Summer just feels a little less exciting, a little less "fun" and a little more offbeat without those releases. Same goes for Winter (although I prefer the J-Pop Winter singles since I love Christmas time - every year I get excited to listen to my "JPOP for the HOLIDAYS" playlist). She didn't release a Winter single this year and I was a little sad of course. People say they hate it when Ayu doesn't try anything new... but why fix something that isn't broken? I'm happy with Spring electronic/pop singles, Summer pop/rock singles, Autumn rock/ballad singles, and Winter ballad/emotional singles as long as the material is good. Although I would like a Summer ballad in the style of RAINBOW or SEASONS (although RAINBOW is more "Spring" time to me).

I think she tried too many "new" things on R'n'R and I hated it (although she did say that album was more "back to basics" - still don't know what she meant by that because it was anything but). Well it grew on me but looking back only album track I totally loved was Microphone which was classic rock-goddess Ayu and countdown grew on me over time (but still less impacting). Love songs I feel was very different for her and at first I will admit it was kind of different since the whole album felt like each song was leading up to a disappointing climax (or you had a hard time pin-pointing the climax), but very quickly I fell in love with the album and adore it more than NEXT LEVEL and R'n'R combined.

So wherever Ayu goes, I will follow. I just hope she doesn't try "too hard" as for me that's what happened with R'n'R (sorry R'n'R fans).

jbrat2219 11th June 2011 05:00 AM
I personally don't think Ayu every really tries too hard. I think that's why her experiments work in her favor or are more accepted by fans. RnRC was a mixed bag of a lot of genres that didn't really fit well together but I guess that was the concept of the album. But I think to put out a disorderly album and a cohesive album all in one year just shows how amazing Ayu is lol.

truehappiness 11th June 2011 05:33 AM
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Love songs I feel was very different for her and at first I will admit it was kind of different since the whole album felt like each song was leading up to a disappointing climax (or you had a hard time pin-pointing the climax),
Rather than blaming Ayu for that, I think it's a fault of Komuro's. He has a really bad tendency to write amazing lead ups with awesome build up and then the payoff is nonexistent. It happens with a lot of his songs.

clover_bali 11th June 2011 05:51 AM
orchestra + band = really ayu's type song ^^
i'm lovin' it!

Andrenekoi 11th June 2011 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 2700189)
About the "generic" summer/winter songs... That's something we have come to know (and love) Ayu by... isn't it? It's somewhat predictable, but Summer just feels a little less exciting, a little less "fun" and a little more offbeat without those releases. Same goes for Winter (although I prefer the J-Pop Winter singles since I love Christmas time - every year I get excited to listen to my "JPOP for the HOLIDAYS" playlist). She didn't release a Winter single this year and I was a little sad of course. People say they hate it when Ayu doesn't try anything new... but why fix something that isn't broken? I'm happy with Spring electronic/pop singles, Summer pop/rock singles, Autumn rock/ballad singles, and Winter ballad/emotional singles as long as the material is good. Although I would like a Summer ballad in the style of RAINBOW or SEASONS (although RAINBOW is more "Spring" time to me).

I think she tried too many "new" things on R'n'R and I hated it (although she did say that album was more "back to basics" - still don't know what she meant by that because it was anything but). Well it grew on me but looking back only album track I totally loved was Microphone which was classic rock-goddess Ayu and countdown grew on me over time (but still less impacting). Love songs I feel was very different for her and at first I will admit it was kind of different since the whole album felt like each song was leading up to a disappointing climax (or you had a hard time pin-pointing the climax), but very quickly I fell in love with the album and adore it more than NEXT LEVEL and R'n'R combined.

So wherever Ayu goes, I will follow. I just hope she doesn't try "too hard" as for me that's what happened with R'n'R (sorry R'n'R fans).
To me RnRC is among her most generic releases ever, and I hate summer and winter singles... soemtimes the music is nice, but it's a step back from her current material, year after year... The world doesn't need another version of fairyland, we already have 3 or 4...

TeamAyu2004 11th June 2011 06:08 AM
^ I love those types of songs! lol

But I wouldnt mind a little flare here and there however.. I would love to hear this song in full preview though!

PoetGirl 11th June 2011 06:20 AM
I dont consider myself a stan, or blinded or anything but I like every song of hers. Not 'cause it hers, I simply do! Maybe I had 2 songs in complete discography I was annoyed by but thats nothing considering how many songs she has.

Just wanted to say Im not blinded nor deaf if I like ayu's new relases. It gets on my nerves. I have a feeling we get this kind of discussion everytime she relases something. Its like... very simple! Some people will like it and some won't. Calling people who like it delusional or stans is like saying haters to people who dont like it!

relmy 11th June 2011 06:54 AM
^ I don't think that was the point being made. You've said yourself you accept it when people don't like something - it was a comment about those who get angry when people dislike something.

Yeah, this is a forum for Ayu, but equally we're allowed to express our disappointment/dislike/etc... without being called haters or being told "omg no it doesn't sound the same!!" or similar comments. It doesn't mean we're not an Ayu fan.

I'm lucky in the fact that I do like most of what Ayu puts out, but that doesn't mean I'm without criticism of it. As a fan, I feel it is my right to discuss elements of her music that I don't like. It's not putting down her effort or undermining her work, it's me having a subjective opinion on (mostly) subjective material.

Zeke. 11th June 2011 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by relmy (Post 2700242)
^ I don't think that was the point being made. You've said yourself you accept it when people don't like something - it was a comment about those who get angry when people dislike something.

Yeah, this is a forum for Ayu, but equally we're allowed to express our disappointment/dislike/etc... without being called haters or being told "omg no it doesn't sound the same!!" or similar comments. It doesn't mean we're not an Ayu fan.

I'm lucky in the fact that I do like most of what Ayu puts out, but that doesn't mean I'm without criticism of it. As a fan, I feel it is my right to discuss elements of her music that I don't like. It's not putting down her effort or undermining her work, it's me having a subjective opinion on (mostly) subjective material.
Amazingly put! :yes

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2700219)
Rather than blaming Ayu for that, I think it's a fault of Komuro's. He has a really bad tendency to write amazing lead ups with awesome build up and then the payoff is nonexistent. It happens with a lot of his songs.
Yes it seems his melody for choruses are a little weak but the composition of the music is superb. I think that's why I fell in love with Love songs was because it was just such a beautiful album. Focusing on the music I get lost.

pepper 11th June 2011 07:28 AM
Her singles from RnRC feels generic.
I don't care personally, because I always end with loving most of her work.
In fact, i personally don't like the "fillers" in her albums (for me it's Don't look back and Lady Dynamite and these "experimental electro" songs on Next Level. I don't listen to EnergizE and rest of em. They are... fillers for me.)

Lots of "work" its up to.. singles. If EnergizE would have promo and Promo Video... maybe for some reason it would make them magic? Who knows.

Love songs "fillers" end up for me with "Omg they feel like they could be on one of her past albums!" I'm that kind of fan, but I know that could be hard to find for me that feel.

Dramatic songs are they... mostly generic. Also with the "cheery songs lalalala" and "Ehm typical japanese pop lalala with nostalgic theme that they could end her live concert"

I don't like the last type mostly. But I know that JAPANESE fans LOVE THIS TYPE. Somehow i don't know why. They love "epic ballads" and "generic poppy songs with melancholy". Her ballads and epic songs (just like progress) are just "HER" and I always end up with loving them. But I very understand why people want something diffrent. Something maybe like "GAME" or "Step you". Why must say?
Because they are CATCHY from the first time. People expects "WOWS" and emotions with 1st listening. Not songs that they are "ok" and they will end up with much appreciantions. They expects being curious (Sparkle, Love song), hype (Startin' Step you) tear up (GAME, Is this love?) - typical emotions that provides to LOVE the song from the top.

(miss)understood 11th June 2011 08:10 AM
I guess she kinda starts to get a little repetitive, hmm.

truehappiness 11th June 2011 05:15 PM
I think the really surprising thing about Ayu's music is that sometimes casual listeners respond pretty well to her more recent songs. Sometimes the tracks that are panned by longtime fans as boring or lacking in innovation have an audience in those who don't really listen to Ayu often, which makes me wonder.... if people who have been listening to Ayu nonstop since they became fans don't think a track is fresh but people who only listen to Ayu once in a while think it does sound new, perhaps many fans are just burnt out on Ayu?

Zeke. 11th June 2011 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2700381)
I think the really surprising thing about Ayu's music is that sometimes casual listeners respond pretty well to her more recent songs. Sometimes the tracks that are panned by longtime fans as boring or lacking in innovation have an audience in those who don't really listen to Ayu often, which makes me wonder.... if people who have been listening to Ayu nonstop since they became fans don't think a track is fresh but people who only listen to Ayu once in a while think it does sound new, perhaps many fans are just burnt out on Ayu?
I think it's like, nothing can ever recapture that moment you first discovered Ayu. It's so exciting and fresh and new and different.

pepper 11th June 2011 08:04 PM
^ I really felt that way while listening to "Love Song". Something really close to it.
I think I will never never be too old or bored with her music. So many years, I am kinda grown up and I cried when my friend told me she just got married. I like how she always reminds me of my best teenage years back then. It makes me younger.

progress it's just a fish in a sea. everyone can find a pearl in that sea i think. sometimes it's just about being bored by artists overral.

Bubbly 11th June 2011 08:07 PM
I think it's like this with every artist, I often see fans of artists saying how they are disappointed and people which did not follow the artist be impressed by the music so yeah, when something new for YOU it's more impressing I guess.
But I guess I'm easy to please xD I like all of Ayu's recent stuff :)

Shirlaay 11th June 2011 08:28 PM
As many have stated - I love the chorus!

Misa-chan 12th June 2011 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2700381)
I think the really surprising thing about Ayu's music is that sometimes casual listeners respond pretty well to her more recent songs. Sometimes the tracks that are panned by longtime fans as boring or lacking in innovation have an audience in those who don't really listen to Ayu often, which makes me wonder.... if people who have been listening to Ayu nonstop since they became fans don't think a track is fresh but people who only listen to Ayu once in a while think it does sound new, perhaps many fans are just burnt out on Ayu?
Every artist has a fixed style that he/she will revert back to once in a while. progress is just a song from this style. I admit that when I first heard it, it reminded me of at least 3 different old ayu songs (Startin', blossom, Rule, to name a few). It's a song that makes one go "yes, this is definitely ayu". And it's true that fans can get bored with this, since it's basically the same style rehashed with a different melody. But personally, I love this style from hers, so even if this new song sounds a little "stale", I still welcome it with open arms. :D

Not to say I don't look forward to the times when she tries new styles. I absolutely adored Sparkle, GREEN, Slt, Love song etc when they came out.

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 2700428)
I think it's like, nothing can ever recapture that moment you first discovered Ayu. It's so exciting and fresh and new and different.
Definitely. Especially for latecomer fans who got into her after 2004. She had such a wealth of different styles then (from 1999-2004) for us to choose from, it probably spoilt us all rotten. XD And now, when we get used to having to wait months for 1-2 new songs, the spark is naturally not there anymore.

truehappiness 12th June 2011 06:13 AM
Quote:
I think it's like, nothing can ever recapture that moment you first discovered Ayu. It's so exciting and fresh and new and different.
Actually though, every so often, after a few months of not listening to albums... I have those moments just about every time, haha. It recently happened with Memorial address actually, and with Rock'n'Roll Circus after I watched AT10 a few times. It's kind of weird finding love in songs that you weren't exactly too hot on at first when an album first came out, but hey~

I guess for me, every time she has a new release, I always eventually feel like I'm discovering a new side of her even if the song does sound like it resembles some other track in her discography at first.

ストロボ・EdGE 12th June 2011 06:58 AM
I have those moments too. Like when I haven't listened to appears or RAINBOW or Who... for several months it's like "Oh yeah... THIS is why I love her."

It's those moments that give me hope every time there's a song like Sweet Season or Sunset.

Zeke. 12th June 2011 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Misa-chan (Post 2700552)
Definitely. Especially for latecomer fans who got into her after 2004. She had such a wealth of different styles then (from 1999-2004) for us to choose from, it probably spoilt us all rotten. XD And now, when we get used to having to wait months for 1-2 new songs, the spark is naturally not there anymore.
I agree with your reasoning! That's exactly when I came onto the scene.

truehappiness 16th June 2011 12:20 PM
Japanese guy from the UK's cover of progress.


So good~ though I think he guessed about who the composer was.

njanjayrp 16th June 2011 12:45 PM
That's pretty good~

tokyoxjapanxfan 16th June 2011 01:05 PM
...lack of any updates is causing a 1 min 40 second preview to become way more than it needs to be... haha

however, they did a great job. :D

keikeiaznqueen 16th June 2011 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2702479)
Japanese guy from the UK's cover of progress.


So good~ though I think he guessed about who the composer was.
WOW love it. :D And that just reminded me of what progress sounds like. LOVE the epic strings and the beat. I can't wait to hear the full version.

AyuGAME 16th June 2011 03:19 PM
the cover is good! i will listen to this version while waiting ayu full version or clear version without people talking...
after listening to the cover, i just realize how strong ayu voice is...

channy 16th June 2011 05:29 PM
What is it with this new song "Believe"? Is it a rumour? I can't find a thread on AHS...

njanjayrp 16th June 2011 06:00 PM
^ Believe is a song that was used as a bg music for the S-Cup CM, it's not an Ayu song.

channy 16th June 2011 07:08 PM
OK, I have seen this commercial and already wondered.

kalikagai 16th June 2011 07:22 PM
Waiting slowly but brutally kills me... my existence needs "progress" O_O

TeamAyu2004 16th June 2011 11:33 PM
its the strings that I love so much!
I cant wait to hear a full version before I make any real judgement!

channy 16th June 2011 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by agita1988 (Post 2702686)
Waiting slowly but brutally kills me... my existence needs "progress" O_O
I remember the same impatience before the ayu-mi-x 7 release finally came out and little time after its release only few ppl continued talking about it on AHS. :innocent

Misa-chan 17th June 2011 04:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2702479)
Japanese guy from the UK's cover of progress.


So good~ though I think he guessed about who the composer was.
Oh this song is just gonna be awesome!!! Thanks for sharing!! ^^

jbrat2219 17th June 2011 05:04 AM
progress seriously can't come fast enough.

AyUmIXx 17th June 2011 05:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2702479)
Japanese guy from the UK's cover of progress.


So good~ though I think he guessed about who the composer was.
wow that guy sounds so COOL!
love it!
can't wait for the full version!

ストロボ・EdGE 17th June 2011 05:45 AM
At least the release date would be nice right now.

Yukitora 17th June 2011 10:32 AM
I don't mind not knowing the release date, because I know it'll feel unbareable :P

truehappiness 17th June 2011 08:37 PM


abottchen's rendition of progress + rerecorded tracks~

njanjayrp 17th June 2011 10:59 PM
Tales of Xillia TV CM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n94ehg5WHyc

RayJason 18th June 2011 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2703316)


abottchen's rendition of progress + rerecorded tracks~
How nice!! I like it :D

Mirrorcle World ～longing future～ 18th June 2011 03:46 AM
OMG The piano version is quite good but wow! That's fast

freedreamer 18th June 2011 05:00 AM
from the TV CM, the chorus really boasts a lot of power and strength!

RayJason 18th June 2011 05:14 AM
Edit nvm this post

AyumiAi 18th June 2011 05:57 PM
the CM looks amazing! :) really fits the game!

isthisLOL? 18th June 2011 07:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tx5yAq0dpw&NR=1

higher quality of the cm(not filmed off TV)

Aderianu 18th June 2011 07:20 PM
^thank you!

Luja. 18th June 2011 09:47 PM
I keep replaying the Tales trailer on YT to listen to progress preview over and over today. I am so surprised, this is the first time ever I am so in love with a preview! I hope she'll sing the full song on PoM tour!:)

adantatu2 19th June 2011 04:03 AM
thanks for the cm !!
Please ayu, make the announement of the single NOW !!

TeamAyu2004 19th June 2011 05:47 AM
WOW the piano version is purely amazing!
thanks for the CM!

HTMSD 19th June 2011 02:30 PM
another CM of Xillia : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd0uyXkk0E8

Kingdom 26th June 2011 09:06 AM
It sounds interesting... I think I'll like it a lot!

Aderianu 28th June 2011 02:25 PM
if 07.09 most possible release date of single, Ayu need to announce it around 14-15 or 21-22 July

tokyoxjapanxfan 28th June 2011 05:14 PM
every week i hope for an announcement on friday. so once again, heres hoping. haha

toniayu 28th June 2011 05:38 PM
^ hahaha me too xD

RayJason 29th June 2011 01:12 AM
It's nice to hear ayu go "all out" again. With that I mean that she has done (sweet) subtle and soft sounding songs for quite a while lately (Virgin Road, Crossroad and Moon). The last song I find her to be fierce is "Mirrorcle World". I like the loud chorus and cannot wait to get to know the release date.

brener 29th June 2011 09:33 AM
is it official that the single will be out by sept. 9th??

Keiichi_JPU 29th June 2011 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brener (Post 2709251)
is it official that the single will be out by sept. 9th??
No, we're all just speculating about September 7th because that's the day before the game goes on sale. But nothing's been announced yet.

HTMSD 29th June 2011 09:58 AM
^ not official, just speculation from us. And, it's not September 9th, it's September 7th.

brener 29th June 2011 10:02 AM
^ Thank u

Fenio 30th June 2011 12:52 AM
Come on!!! >,< Announce the new single :(

AyumiAi 4th July 2011 09:01 AM
Info please x.x

toniayu 4th July 2011 09:28 AM
^I think this week we'll have new info about the new single~I hope so!!!

PoetGirl 4th July 2011 10:45 AM
I dont know, I think we'll got this single sooner than we thought we would, I mean, would ayu make a PV NOW for a song that will come out in autumn? I doubt...

Benikari47 4th July 2011 03:44 PM
I need this song in my life.. now D:

Bigtop 4th July 2011 06:41 PM
We don't need a single. We've got a new mini-album containing it!
Discuss here:
http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109917

MrEnginear 30th August 2011 09:35 AM
So, so happy that everyone (or at least most everyone) is enjoying the mix I did of "Progress".

F.Y.I, I also mixed "Beloved".

I am very proud to be asked by the super talented Ayumi to be a part of her music and I am forever grateful to her for choosing and trusting me with her most beautiful songs!

I look forward to the day when I can "do it again".

She has the best fans in the world and I'm hoping you'll put her at the top of the charts where she belongs!
:thanks2:

Best,

Dave Reitzas
a.k.a. MrEnginear
http://www.reitzas.com

MissElin_ 30th August 2011 10:12 AM
^Aw thank you for popping in again! ^_^

You should be proud over yourself! Good work! progress is probably one of the best song from Ayu in years now! :D

freedreamer 30th August 2011 01:16 PM
thanks for popping by once again!!! progress is FANTASTIC!!!

AyuGAME 30th August 2011 01:37 PM
thanks Dave...
it's really nice of you to support her...


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