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microphone 1st March 2012 08:45 AM

She didn't look scared to me. She looked like she is trying to kiss the camera :-*

Well, I guess we are waiting for previews and leaks now.

Earth_maiden 1st March 2012 08:46 AM

I want to know what a certain devout troll thinks of the covers and if he'll start praying for her anew... :innocent

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 08:46 AM

@everlastingRAINBOW
IMO she already has worst covers... Rock n Roll Circus and A Best 2 coming to mind :P

And I don't think she was lonely on RAINBOW cover, just worried that someone could wish for some fugu :P

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2824389)
No need for all this sarcasm darling, I'm not calling u dumb (you don't know, you don't know, how beautiful you are :P). I'm just saying people are expecting the whole concept to be exposed on the cover, and ignoring this is a music album, so, the music has a bigger role on the execution of the project that the cover or any other photo ever will...

No you didn't call me that, but I was wondering since you wrote out very clearly that isthisLOL can comfirm that you guysgot the whole idea before Ayu even said something on twitter. You also added the whole rocket sience thingy that just made your statement look like "OMG we got it and YOU didn't?! It's not hard AT ALL to understand."

And yes I get what you say about the music and all. But really. The thing I was talking about was the covers only and why I don't enjoy them as you do. I don't have any music to compare the whole album with. My main statement was not "I don't like the covers, they are crappy and empty and doesn't say anything". My statement was more like "when so many people don't get the idea before Ayu need to tell us on twitter what she meant, maybe it's not just fans going crazy and stupid, maybe it is because of the simple reason - the executuion failed." I'm not saying that you should agree with me or whatever. I'm just saying that I think it might be some truth behind people not getting the covers concept. (At least for the moment until they hear the songs).

ExodusUK 1st March 2012 08:51 AM

I wonder if Timmy went on rampage after reading Jpopcentral's reactions..

I've sent him and I've got some other people to PM him there to join AHS.

everlastingRAINBOW 1st March 2012 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ExodusUK (Post 2824397)
I wonder if Timmy went on rampage after reading Jpopcentral's reactions..

Was it any worse than here? lol

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 2824395)
No you didn't call me that, but I was wondering since you wrote out very clearly that isthisLOL can comfirm that you guysgot the whole idea before Ayu even said something on twitter. You also added the whole rocket sience thingy that just made your statement look like "OMG we got it and YOU didn't?! It's not hard AT ALL to understand."

Actually, it was to go more on the lines of "I'm not making it up to look smart, I was talking with someone who can confirm this" :P

But sorry for making u feel dumb anyway :P

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 08:55 AM

^No I don't feel dumb after your comment. It just felt a bit like a rule technique to make people agree with you more. But yeah thanks anyways.

Also you didn't answer if you got what I said about the covers (since that was the main reason of us discussing) but I guess you maybe got what I said since you're leaving your answer blank.

KuuXAyu-fan 1st March 2012 09:00 AM

http://i.imgur.com/CZKuD.png

I feel like this cover would be pretty nice if the font placement was better. :/

C+R+E+AYUMI 1st March 2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by everlastingRAINBOW (Post 2824382)
I just need something a bit less trashy. They're not terrible, I just wish for something a little more classy and whimsical. Love Songs was kind of boring, and these are too extreme. I need a nice, safe middle xD

agree..I could have been expecting all but not a cover with a 33 years old ayu in lingerie.
I don't mean she's old, she's still young and sexy with a 33 years old consciousness,so I don't see any need to get naked...What's next?

P.S: I've never noticed her breast was so prominent..congrats!!

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 09:04 AM

I got what you said, and that's why I made that long post, to say that we can't know how well the concept was executed without listening to the music. I know we only have got the covers right now, but as I said before, IMO, having another obvious cover, or even being too obvious on those ones would make the whole project seens like a "dumbed" version of what it can be. It's exactly for my disbelief that people over here are dumb that I'm against more obvious covers... If things are well done, most people will get it once they listen to the album and know lyrics (that are the main aspect of ayu's music anyway)

If even with the music it fails, I will not defend it anymore (what I doubt, she even pic two tracks we already know to begin and end the album)

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 09:07 AM

Yes I also think the music (probably) and the whole concept together will make sense. I do. But that was not what I was talking about so.

I'm just saying that when so many fans didn't get the concept from the cover - there might be some truth with the whole "the execution of the cover wasn't good enough". That's not rocket science either.

C+R+E+AYUMI 1st March 2012 09:18 AM

I got it, it's clear that we will judge this album only after having listened carefully to the music and lyrics.
Then probably the concept would be developed,well clear and sorta meaningful.
The covers themselves are nice, I don't dislike them for what they are, but , thinking of her whole career and what she showed us about herself in many years, it's a style fall.

Mayayu 1st March 2012 09:19 AM

Before seeing the covers, i wanted to buy CD+2DVD edition but i can't even imagine having this picture at home lol
Getting CD+DVD instead~

Thanks for the updates!

Kanzaki 1st March 2012 09:22 AM

What IS this concept anyway? Anybody close to figuring out? I just got that line from that song... "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to" in my head now. That might not be too far from the truth.

everlastingRAINBOW 1st March 2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanzaki88 (Post 2824412)
What IS this concept anyway? Anybody close to figuring out? I just got that line from that song... "It's my party and I'll cry if I want to" in my head now. That might not be too far from the truth.

According to her tweets:

1. She's lonely and the covers are meant to be sad.

2. They're supposed to be like a gossip magazine.

3. We'll get the concept when the album is released.


xD

emi♡ 1st March 2012 09:47 AM

There's never a NEED to get naked.

There's no NEED to wash your hair. Or eat meat. Or chocolate. Or mint n chip ice cream.

This is how she wants to do it. Let's let her.

Luckily, it doesn't seem like there's any weird photoshop crap or...whatever. Even though the boob cover is weird.

hahaha on facebook I said she reminded me of lindsay lohan. No particular reason.

everlastingRAINBOW 1st March 2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by emi♡ (Post 2824419)
There's never a NEED to get naked.

To shower >.>
<.<

emi♡ 1st March 2012 09:50 AM

I bet you could do it with clothes on :think

C+R+E+AYUMI 1st March 2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by everlastingRAINBOW (Post 2824417)
According to her tweets:

1. She's lonely and the covers are meant to be sad.

Sad? I don't get it. Ok she's alone in the shoots and in real life, but what is the relationship between being lonely and being a party queen?

elvis810 1st March 2012 10:25 AM

wait till you guys see the latest cover for Scawaii then you know what's bad...

the album covers are divine!

mizuki-7 1st March 2012 10:38 AM

lol yes the cover of Scawai could be cool but her lips lol

ownsarai 1st March 2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by C+R+E+AYUMI (Post 2824423)
Sad? I don't get it. Ok she's alone in the shoots and in real life, but what is the relationship between being lonely and being a party queen?

Think about people who are really popular, like actresses/actors, musicians, even popular girls/guys in high school, they always seem to be happy, smiling and surrounded by people. But deep inside, they are lonely and sad. You never know who your real friends are, people use you for your popularity to get ahead and you can never really show your vulnerable side to others.

ALPHY 1st March 2012 10:45 AM

If you squint at the covers, you'll see Koda Kumi.

Didz-19 1st March 2012 10:50 AM

^^

Really? HAHAHAHA....what will koda-kun say when she say the cover? HEHEHEHE

xLuna&1LOVE 1st March 2012 11:09 AM

The cover of scawaii is indeed a bit weird because of her facial expression, but overall... it's not awful. I really like Ayu's new style - or appearance -

C+R+E+AYUMI 1st March 2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownsarai (Post 2824431)
Think about people who are really popular, like actresses/actors, musicians, even popular girls/guys in high school, they always seem to be happy, smiling and surrounded by people. But deep inside, they are lonely and sad. You never know who your real friends are, people use you for your popularity to get ahead and you can never really show your vulnerable side to others.

Ok, clear..I still don't get the relationship with Party Queen.
Altough you're popular or famous, it's not automatic you frolic or party everytime.

panda♥ 1st March 2012 11:29 AM

^you are missing the point.
FAMOUS people, whether musicians (AYU), actresses, or "party queens", are always surrounded by people because they are famous and popular. whether it's friends or fans. on the outside it looks like everything is wonderful and they're happy, but they're actually really lonely and sad.

i think that's what Ayu means by the meaning will become clear after the album is released. i'm sure the photobook and music will tell us alot more.

Midori-chan 1st March 2012 11:37 AM

I'm so disappointed with these covers, especially the CD+3DVD one. The others are nice, especially her smile.

I think that they could have done SO MUCH with the concept "Party Queen" (even thought I hate the name of the album!), but they decided to go for cheap.

Okay, their decision, but the woman on these covers is not the Ayu I love!

Max_ZZZ 1st March 2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Midori-chan (Post 2824464)
I'm so disappointed with these covers, especially the CD+3DVD one. The others are nice, especially her smile.

I think that they could have done SO MUCH with the concept "Party Queen" (even thought I hate the name of the album!), but they decided to go for cheap.

Okay, their decision, but the woman on these covers is not the Ayu I love!

my thoughts exactly? i hate how everyone's like "stop being a hater love these covers" but honestly... opinions aside, anyone who can tell me that these are not her least creative covers and mean it will surprise me LOL

they basically didn't have a photoshoot for the covers...

C+R+E+AYUMI 1st March 2012 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panda♥ (Post 2824458)
^you are missing the point.
FAMOUS people, whether musicians (AYU), actresses, or "party queens", are always surrounded by people because they are famous and popular. whether it's friends or fans. on the outside it looks like everything is wonderful and they're happy, but they're actually really lonely and sad.

i think that's what Ayu means by the meaning will become clear after the album is released. i'm sure the photobook and music will tell us alot more.

still don't getting PartyQueen + naked cover + sadness and loneliness altogether anyway speculations are a loss of time so we will see.

kendelle 1st March 2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Earth_maiden (Post 2824393)
I want to know what a certain devout troll thinks of the covers and if he'll start praying for her anew... :innocent

^ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I almost forgot about him xD

Fingers crossed for a last minute cover change - I didn't buy Super Manuel so I can't say I'd like Ayu's version of the poses on my Ayu shelf... :(

Tony G 1st March 2012 11:52 AM

First reaction to those covers: holy crap

I like them, although the execution could have probably been a bit better. I certainly don't get the "sad famous person" vibe the photographer was aiming for, if that's what the goal was. Just looks like what timmy said - Ayu bent over in her panties like a dog. Don't think anyone is going to be able to look past that to get the cryptic underlying meaning which isn't plain to see.

These are shock-factor images - no doubt they will work.

Midori-chan 1st March 2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max_ZZZ (Post 2824469)
my thoughts exactly? i hate how everyone's like "stop being a hater love these covers" but honestly... opinions aside, anyone who can tell me that these are not her least creative covers and mean it will surprise me LOL

they basically didn't have a photoshoot for the covers...

Yes, I also hate how everybody in this thread is treating people, who don't go like: "WAAAAHHHH~~ awesome covers" like a hater! :no (but hasn't it always been like this on AHS?).

I have been a fan of Ayu since nine years and I always loved what see did (I even thought that "FIVE" was an okay-album, even though I was very disappointed with the lyrics of the songs and the PVs!), but since some time I just don't feel Ayu anymore.


I'm NOT a hater! I LOVE Ayu, but I don't have to be okay with everything she does and I don't see anything wrong with voicing my opinion.

shuyalove 1st March 2012 11:56 AM

CD+2DVD cover is so porn! I don't like it

ALfromHELLSING 1st March 2012 12:03 PM

I doubt that I will get an answer here 'cause of the craziness over the covers, but I'll try to ask will CD+2DVD version have "special case, transparent sleeved special DVD package" in that special box, basically will be first press? THANKS

OyTony 1st March 2012 12:12 PM

^
Special box? The first press of the CD+DVD+DVD version is the "special case, transparent sleeved special DVD package". ^^

~X2RADialbomber~ 1st March 2012 12:16 PM

No fishlips? Omg, this can't be happening! This is awesome :D The covers are great!

SunshineSlayer 1st March 2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2824379)
isthisLOL can confirm we pretty much got the sad feeling of the overall release BEFORE she talked about it.
It's not rocket science, the tracklist pretty much goes from partyish (Party queen) to conforting someone with a bad self-esteem (how beautiful you are).

But this is about the covers, not the tracklist or what the eventual content of the album might be. All people are going to see at the store is the cover and most people are not going to care enough to analyze anything else. The cover does not seem to convey any deeper message; even fans did not see anything other than what it appears to be until after discussion + tweets from Ayu and you can expect a whole lot less thought from the average consumer. If Ayu's intent was to make the covers have a deeper message (which apparently it was) and to have that message conveyed to the people seeing it, then no, it simply does not convey that effectively.

edit: Yeah, what MissEllin said. :)

Mirrorcle Monster 1st March 2012 12:26 PM

Party Queen covers:*

http://scandalmakers.wordpress.com/2...11-03-430x584/

+

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o4PZ-GjHVx...upreme_002.jpg

Given the fact that Ryan is a huge Little Monster I wouldnt be suprised about him using this as inspiration

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 12:31 PM

^At least those were executed good. I see her point with being controlled by someone else (music industry/music companies) and how she's like (how to put this nice?) "one" with the piano. + Gaga have always had that kind of rebell-fashion-lightly-dressed style so those pictures fits her like a glowe.

Tom Punks 1st March 2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2824315)
There's a possibility he did a song and didn't go on the trip to London with everyone else as last time he wasn't in London (I think) and he did meaning of Love/Last Links/count down.

Those were all the songs I considered worst on RnRC except for Sunset. :(

ALfromHELLSING 1st March 2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OyTony (Post 2824491)
^
Special box? The first press of the CD+DVD+DVD version is the "special case, transparent sleeved special DVD package". ^^

no-no I meant that blu-ray/dvd box is coming with CD+DVD+DVD version of the album so will this edition of the album have this "special transparent package" in box or copy in the album won't have this "special package"? THANKS

OyTony 1st March 2012 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alucard from Hellsing (Post 2824517)
no-no I meant that blu-ray/dvd box is coming with CD+DVD+DVD version of the album so will this edition of the album have this "special transparent package" in box or copy in the album won't have this "special package"? THANKS

Yes. You can see it in the picture. ^^

LiveInBlue 1st March 2012 01:05 PM

The covers are bold, original and without duck face. I have to love them!

LONJJONG 1st March 2012 01:14 PM

Oh hawt covers! XDD
But the CD+DVD is kinda simple :((

noola chan 1st March 2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midori-chan (Post 2824464)
I'm so disappointed with these covers, especially the CD+3DVD one. The others are nice, especially her smile.

I think that they could have done SO MUCH with the concept "Party Queen" (even thought I hate the name of the album!), but they decided to go for cheap.

Okay, their decision, but the woman on these covers is not the Ayu I love!

Exactly what i feel =|
I am Speechless ..
She is way higher than this
I really love Ayu .. But
I will pretend that i didnt saw the "CD+2DVD first press" cover so i will keep seeing her my ideal :yes
by the way the rest of the covers are very nice :)

Chibi-Chan 1st March 2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Calico (Post 2824328)
RE: to the previous topic and feminism vs. objectification - there are perfectly good arguments for either side in this case (Although I believe Ayu is quite knowledgeable in this area and knows what she's doing) but regardless, when words like "****ty" and "trashy" and "w****" and any other word commonly used to bring women and their sexuality down is used, you (general) pretty much lose most if not all your credibility. Sadly it's something I'm really used to in this forum after all my years of being here.

Exactly my thoughts.

My Rainbow 1st March 2012 01:41 PM

that's because many users here want ayu to be a nun forever... she's grown, she's free, she's beautiful, she's hot, she's confident and she has the control. This was a surprise for all of us, a good surprise, she showed us another aspect of herself and it is very bold. I'm happy for ayu.

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 01:43 PM

^Lol, not even Ayu is happy about it. I thought she said so pretty clearly. According to her, the covers are supposed to not reflect a happy grown woman. Quite the opposite.

OyTony 1st March 2012 01:47 PM

PLAYBUTTON cover

PoetGirl 1st March 2012 01:53 PM

I dont see party queen as just surrounded with people, it's just she's the star of the show. party as her constant expectation she has to deliver. she has to always be smiling, always ready to put on a show, always full of inspiration for next album, never (good) enough. she can't just leave her job and do whatever she wants cause with her job and her status there's responsibility. about naked part she can't age, she has to remain looking youthful and hot?

SKYia 1st March 2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OyTony (Post 2824545)

Oh, I thought when you wear it people will see Ayu's face pin into your clothes but it's actually just a symbol / flag etc.

It's interesting but I kind of thought Ayu's face would attract more attention. When we listen to our mp4 ppl don't know what music is there, with this pin having Ayu's face it could attract attention and let Ayu fans meet in the street. It somehow lost the point to me, not to mention other flaws, but well :)

yamadashun 1st March 2012 02:27 PM

omg the Playbutton covers make me wanna buy them!

Edit: the 0630 is highlighted to represent Memorial Address. but i forgot the meaning behind it...

kiseki89 1st March 2012 02:39 PM

The PLAYBUTTONs are so cuuuute!

OMg Party Queen cover for 2DVDs... why?! That's so KK
The other versions look ok but the AT cover looks dull. I like the colors of the CDL cover!

Larien 1st March 2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 2824543)
^Lol, not even Ayu is happy about it. I thought she said so pretty clearly. According to her, the covers are supposed to not reflect a happy grown woman. Quite the opposite.

When/where did she say this? On TA, or Twitter, or somewhere else?

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 02:49 PM

^Yes on twitter. She said that the pictures are sad. She also made hints to being caged like the Duty cover.

Suteisi 1st March 2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My Rainbow (Post 2824542)
that's because many users here want ayu to be a nun forever... she's grown, she's free, she's beautiful, she's hot, she's confident and she has the control. This was a surprise for all of us, a good surprise, she showed us another aspect of herself and it is very bold. I'm happy for ayu.

I don't want Ayu to be a nun, and I don't like these covers. They are 2 separate things.

For Mirrorcle World covers she was topless and they are my favorite covers of all time. For that magazine photoshoot (ViVi I think?) she was topless with just jeans and those pictures were gorgeous.

I don't like these covers because I don't see the beauty of them.

I find that her neck and chin on CD+DVD just looks weird. When I look at it, the only things I like are her nails and the leopard print. That hair looks awesome and her smile looks forced.

I don't think they are trashy or tacky. I just think they are ugly. Plain and simple.

I hated FIVE as an album, but I think the covers look great. I loved Sunrise/Sunset single, but the covers are horrible.

I think RnRC covers looked very pretty. And I LOVED Love Songs album, THAT for me was Ayu. Smiling, light, calm, free, beautiful Ayu.

As a few others have said, if you need to explain the concept, then it just means it wasn't executed well. It sure does look like a magazine cover, and a bad tabloid cover at that.

owlflight 1st March 2012 02:53 PM

After a night of sleep, I actually like the covers. I think my shock came from the fact that it was not what I expected. I imagined a cover with bright colors and lights. As for the playbuttons, I want them all!

Earth_maiden 1st March 2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OyTony (Post 2824545)

NEXT LEVEL and RAINBOW covers are epic. :thud Maybe its just me, but in a multiracial city like Perth, I can see the "BLACK" and "WHITE" buttons not being taken so well by others who don't know that its an Ayu album, not just a random slogan on a button...

AyuGAME 1st March 2012 03:02 PM

OMG the cover is soooooo cute..
really tempting to buy one...
very clever strategy...at least people will buy one...

tokyoxjapanxfan 1st March 2012 03:07 PM

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They're gonna b a SUPER AYU!!! U"ll c very soon;)RT @my__aura: Ayu♡ in LDN u said u shoot covers in a field w/ Leslie, right~? @ayu_19980408
AYU, Y U BE SO MYSTERIOUS?

xLuna&1LOVE 1st March 2012 03:10 PM

^ Perhaps the photobook is another kind of Super Ayu? Haha.

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 03:19 PM

^Yeah that's what I was thinking too while reading that tweet.

Chibi-Chan 1st March 2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earth_maiden (Post 2824591)
NEXT LEVEL and RAINBOW covers are epic. :thud Maybe its just me, but in a multiracial city like Perth, I can see the "BLACK" and "WHITE" buttons not being taken so well by others who don't know that its an Ayu album, not just a random slogan on a button...

Yeah, I thought that too and I for one wouldn't wear a button with the text WHITE on it. Especially not in Germany.

isthisLOL? 1st March 2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 2824617)
Yeah, I thought that too and I for one wouldn't wear a button with the text WHITE on it. Especially not in Germany.

I'd make my (black) boyfriend wear WHITE and I'd wear BLACK, could confuse the Nazis xD

TeamAyu2004 1st March 2012 03:30 PM

so just realized.. there is still only 4 PV's listen on the DVD.. sad.. i wonder what she has been doing all this filming for!

freedreamer 1st March 2012 03:42 PM

Ayu is being VERY mysterious now. It's getting me intrigued and i dont really care about the covers now. But whenever i see them, I think Ayu's gorgeousness with that slick back hair, smile and even that bod just...doesnt make me see the title and stuff...yea call me a stan or whatever but the fact that she isnt having that ViVi cover face on these covers are already a win... :)

she cant be doing HOTEL Love songs tour videos since those should have been done a year ago and nothing much was shown during the CDL.
I wonder if...she has a maxi single coming? oh gosh...this is really exasperating lol! 3 more weeks...if she has awesome photos in the photobook, i really want it..

inspire_rmx 1st March 2012 03:46 PM

omg the playbuttons r soo cute. i'm spoilt for choices. love the MY STORY one!!

happiholic★ 1st March 2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2824620)
I'd make my (black) boyfriend wear WHITE and I'd wear BLACK, could confuse the Nazis xD

:roflmao


I do feel like perhaps the covers, despite having a deeper meaning, maybe aren't supposed to be obvious. Maybe they wanted to stir some controversy? Maybe we need a poll "Who got the deeper meaning of Party Queen covers right away?" because I sure didn't.

BlackSilence 1st March 2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by C+R+E+AYUMI (Post 2824475)
still don't getting PartyQueen + naked cover + sadness and loneliness altogether anyway speculations are a loss of time so we will see.

well obvioulsly she thinks that fans are psychic or something cuzonly after she explained, i understood, however i see no CLEAR hint in either the title or the covers. I do get the "party queen" = "popular,famous" relation....makes me think it's like Britney's "Lucky" lol

TeamAyu2004 1st March 2012 04:03 PM

meh! there nice, but I dont think I want to shell out any money for them!
anyone know the meaning behind the numbers for memorial address?

Chibi-Chan 1st March 2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isthisLOL? (Post 2824620)
I'd make my (black) boyfriend wear WHITE and I'd wear BLACK, could confuse the Nazis xD

Haha, love this! :D

terra 1st March 2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2824644)
meh! there nice, but I dont think I want to shell out any money for them!
anyone know the meaning behind the numbers for memorial address?

I supposed '0630' represent the last day of June in which Memorial address 'happened' in a way, then after that sad day come 'July 1st' which she sang about forgetting yesterday's tears.

It's also the number drawn in the mirror by lipstick with ayu's posing to had written it

Someone posted that here somewhere

The PLAYBUTTON album covers are superb! I really love those :yes :heart

truehappiness 1st March 2012 05:06 PM

Considering that 0630 was used for "Greatful days", it's possible that she was just referring to that crazy day of partying she tends to do before July 1st. (or was July 1st the day of partying?)

From masa's site:
Quote:

"There are two usual summer events to me. One is the party held every year on June 30, the birthday of the owner of this bar (in Tokyo), when many old friends of mine I can't usually see gather here. To me, that is the one and only unhealthy night of the year, from June 30 to July 1st. (Laugh) ...(omission) ... And the other is the event of watching fireworks after gathering at the shop of my acquaintance near the sea in August every year ...   ("Zappy" Aug. 2002)"
It would make sense since the 0630 was next to Greatful days, which could be considered a psuedo sequel to July 1st now that I think about it.

It's not as memorable as the 'father' explanation though. I personally believe she never got back into contact with her father and neither did her mother, but who knows.

terra 1st March 2012 05:29 PM

^ Ah I see it now
Thanks truehappiness :yes

TeamAyu2004 1st March 2012 05:36 PM

that is a much better explanation than the father thing...!
and it fits too!
July 1st and grateful days... ahh. the good old day!

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2824698)
that is a much better explanation than the father thing...!
and it fits too!
July 1st and grateful days... ahh. the good old day!

Quote:

Falling asleep filled with anxiety late one night
I remember having a really sad dream
That morning, my premonition, seeming to break through the silence
Became reality with the ring of the phone

Leaving a scar in my heart that won’t go away
You became a star alone

Goodbye
You’ve gone somewhere where I can never see you again
I can’t take in the coldness of parting forever
I wanted you to say, even if it was a lie
That I was definitely loved by you
Just once would have been enough

The curtain is brought down by a sadness that I doubt will end
The seasons change and cold penetrates my body terribly
But I won’t forget what happened one day in the beginning of summer
This year, the sky carried on doing my crying for me

But, just like a continuing dream
I can’t even cry yet

Goodbye
Not even my last words will reach you
I've learned how horrible the coldness of parting is
I wanted you to say, even if it was a lie
That you didn’t regret the days we spent together
Just once would have been enough

Why do we leave behind memories like that
Until the very end?

Goodbye
You’ve gone somewhere where I can never see you again
I can’t take in the coldness of parting forever
I wanted you to say, even if it was a lie
That I was definitely loved by you
Just once would have been enough

Tell me this is just a story in a continuing dream
And I just haven’t woken up yet
Doesn't sound too partyish to me...

truehappiness 1st March 2012 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2824716)
Doesn't sound too partyish to me...

Andrenekoi, that's Memorial address, not Greatful days.



There are so many ways to interpret the numbers, (6th album, containing the 30th single, the date before July 1st, the father theory I just personally don't know if it fits the 'father' thing even though Memorial address (the song) was definitely written about her father much like teddy bear was.

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 06:12 PM

I know that's not Greatful Days... But really, I find it hard to believe that on a EP that is most likelly one of her saddest releases ever, with one of her most sober booklets and with one of her darkest tittle tracks (and considering all of her title tracks, being one of the darkest, if not the darkest, is not small feat) she pics a date based on a party she waits the whole year to go, that makes her happy, as a symbol of such a sad release.

Of course, maybe the ones who MA was written for died on the same day of the party, what would given the whole EP a double meaning...

Edit: Or that she got to know about that death during the party, what would make sense considering she meets a lot of people from her past there...

TeamAyu2004 1st March 2012 06:12 PM

^ I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2824716)
Doesn't sound too partyish to me...

we are talking about grateful days and July 1...
:no

truehappiness 1st March 2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2824720)
I know that's not Greatful Days... But really, I find it hard to believe that on a EP that is most likelly one of her saddest releases ever, with one of her most sober booklets and with one of her darkest tittle tracks (and considering all of her title tracks, being one of the darkest, if not the darkest, is not small feat) she pics a date based on a party she waits the whole year to go, that makes her happy, as a symbol of such a sad release.

Of course, maybe the ones who MA was written for died on the same day of the party, what would given the whole EP a double meaning...

Edit: Or that she got to know about that death during the party, what would make sense considering she meets a lot of people from her past there...

No one really knows what the truth is, it seems.

It's possible that the set of numbers means everything that we've guessed that it means at once but I think it's better that we don't know what the 'real' meaning is in the long run. (There was a guess that it was her friend NATSUKI's birthday, but her birthday is actually in May, haha)

I think this discussion is probably more fitting in the PLAYBUTTON thread since this one is supposed to be Party Queen-related.

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2824721)
^ I have no idea what you are talking about.



we are talking about grateful days and July 1...
:no

You are talking about the numbers that are on Memorial Address booklet and play button... I'm saying why I disagree they are about Greatful Days :P

@truehappiness
I prefer it that way too... The only thing that really bothered me about PQ covers was Ayu explaining it on twitter...

mja7033 1st March 2012 06:20 PM

I have a quick question...

Can my US PS3 play the blu ray COUNTDOWN LIVE 2011-2012 dvd?

truehappiness 1st March 2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mja7033 (Post 2824727)
I have a quick question...

Can my US PS3 play the blu ray COUNTDOWN LIVE 2011-2012 dvd?

COUNTDOWN LIVE 2011-2012 is not being released on Blu-ray (which are usually region free from avex, or if they were, they would be in the same region as the USA) and since it'll be on DVD, you will not be able to play the Region 2 DVDs unless you have a region free/region 2 DVD player. I usually make region free copies of the DVDs so I can play them in my PS3 though.

I wonder if we're going to get announcements all week at around the same time (10pm~ Japan time) this week.

Jester 1st March 2012 06:27 PM

I think 0630 it's a Address for her Memories. It should be the date for sure, something just happen in that day.

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 06:28 PM

Really? My PS3 works just fine with japanese DVDs. For my regular DVD played I had to make it region free to make them work in it. Have they recently changed so Sweden-Japan have the same region code or will it actually work on a PS3?

mja7033 1st March 2012 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2824730)
COUNTDOWN LIVE 2011-2012 is not being released on Blu-ray (which are usually region free from avex, or if they were, they would be in the same region as the USA) and since it'll be on DVD, you will not be able to play the Region 2 DVDs.

ohh my goodness, thank you for telling me this, I was about to spend $89 on the CD+DVD+DVD set on yesasia.

I wonder why it is not coming out on blu-ray? do you think it ever will?

truehappiness 1st March 2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 2824733)
Really? My PS3 works just fine with japanese DVDs. For my regular DVD played I had to make it region free to make them work in it. Have they recently changed so Sweden-Japan have the same region code or will it actually work on a PS3?

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Region 02

Albania, Andorra, Austria, Bahrain, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Canary Islands, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, European Union, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, France, Georgia, Germany, Gibraltar, Greece, Greenland, Hungary, Iceland, Iran (Islamic Republic of) Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lebanon, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia (the Former Yugoslav Republic), Malta, Moldova, Principality of Monaco, Netherlands, Norway, Oman, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russian Federation, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia, Slovenia,South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Kingdom (Channel Islands) Vatican City State, Yemen, Yugoslavia
Your PS3 is Region 2. Sadly, people in the USA are stuck in Region 1. It's odd that it didn't work in your regular DVD player since it should be the same region.

And I don't think it will ever come out on Blu-ray due to ARENA TOUR 2012 A ~HOTEL Love songs~'s existence. BEST of CDL never got rereleased after being bundled with A BEST 2. There IS an HD .ts/.mkv file floating around of the concert which is your best bet (but it's also 20GB+).

TeamAyu2004 1st March 2012 06:47 PM

Also just to clear everything up... blu-rays have no region!

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2824726)
You are talking about the numbers that are on Memorial Address booklet and play button... I'm saying why I disagree they are about Greatful Days :P

@truehappiness
I prefer it that way too... The only thing that really bothered me about PQ covers was Ayu explaining it on twitter...

Oh, I see... I would rather thing they are about Grateful days since that picture was next to those lyrics...
I just don't think she would put her father's date of death in there when she never really had a relationship with him and from the lyrics of memorial address I would say she never really wanted one.. she is bitter about what happened yes, but that does not mean she wants that relationship.

Tom Punks 1st March 2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Max_ZZZ (Post 2824469)
my thoughts exactly? i hate how everyone's like "stop being a hater love these covers" but honestly... opinions aside, anyone who can tell me that these are not her least creative covers and mean it will surprise me LOL

they basically didn't have a photoshoot for the covers...

on my phone so idk if anyone replied yet, but I think she has far less creative covers than this. The covers for most of her recent singles are just her sitting or standing in froń of a solid color background looking cute or pretty, which IMO falls a little bit below these in the creative department. That doesn't mean they're good covers though lol.

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 07:01 PM

IMO It's hard to be less creative than Secret as a cover... People can find it pretty and whatnot, but really... Fashion shot covered in jewels much...

@TeamAyu2004
Once I was REALLY bored on work and read some ayu lyrics in their album order to see how they connected to each other... IMO, from begining to end, MA really sounds like a big address about how Ayu felt about her father, from the times they were together, to the time he left, how it felt after it, and on the end, the news about his death.

Still... the most Ayu hated her father and never felt like meeting him again, we can't really say he has no importance to her... considering he has at least 2 songs for him on her discography. Songs that turned out to gain some of her most emotional performances...

In the end of the day, u just get angered and sad about what has some importance to you...

SKYia 1st March 2012 07:03 PM

About the PQ covers once again.

I think she's smiling on the cover but the whole situation isn't something to be happy about: a woman of an age when you usually already have kids and family is partying and instead of them she's surrounded by shoes and other stuff.

Hearing the title PQ I guess we were expecting a cover like Rule single maybe, with some funky costume, she could as well make a cover she's never done before and put herself among friends / some people, that's the good kind of party.

The covers remind me of parties when you may feel 'happy' at first and do crazy things like nude photos, drink or have sex but then you wake up and feel miserable. Ayu could make a cover with a scene like the end of Sweet Season PV but she didn't want to be so obvious.

Let's just look at our own reaction to these covers, I think anyone who was shocked and disliked them at first somehow got the meaning (if that's really what Ayu had in mind).

I think what disturbs me about the CD+2DVD cover is that you cannot really display it on your shelf or show to people with pride. I also wonder if this album will have the same promotion as always, I can't imagine either CD+DVD or CD+2DVD cover hanging on SHibuya or on that promotion truck, I wonder if they can be banned from promotion.

CHE.R.RY 1st March 2012 07:22 PM

^ I agree with your ideas :yes...in fact, didn't Ayu mention something about that in one of her songs??? I think it was Last angel...she talked about having merry nights & then waking up the next day & feeling lonely (or maybe she just felt ****** from a massive hangover :laugh)? I feel like it appeared somewhere else in her music too but I can't remember...all I know is those ideas you are mentioning sound so familiar.

But yeah...it is kind of sad when you put it like that. It's like..Ayu is at point in her life where a family would be a great thing to have, but instead she's surrounded by material wealth. I wonder if in this album we are going to see the 'wild' side of Ayu that we all kind of knew about, but never really saw her portray so openly in her music...Or maybe, this is what she is resorting to in order to cover up for the loneliness or possible dissatisfaction in her life. It is possible...

Idk...Ayu is a mystery to me. It seems like in her lyrics she's a deeply emotional individual who values love & companionship above all else, but in the real world she seems so independent. Or like, she can't find someone she's compatible with. It makes you wonder sometimes if we're getting the real thing in these lyrics or if they're fabricated...Of course, it could be possible that she's reminiscing about the past when she felt deep love for another person at some point, but that would seem a little irrelevant to sing about imo. Idk, the more I think about it the more I get baffled...& I guess when it comes right down to it, it's really not any of my business.

Either way, I'm still very curious as to what this album will sound like. I mean, I always am whenever she releases a new album, as no two albums from Ayu are ever the same. That's partly why I enjoy Ayu's music...I know I can always expect to hear something new from her on each album. I am even considering pre-ordering the album now that the covers are out. I'm actually pleased this time around because the cheapest one (CD only) has the best cover imo...which is more of an incentive to buy it. I gotta say though...I feel sorry for the people who pre-ordered the CD+DVD2 & had no idea what the cover would be lol...I hope they're not offended by it in anyway, & it was like SKYia mentioned, it's not something you could totally display to people with pride :laugh.

Tom Punks 1st March 2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 2824754)
Once I was REALLY bored on work and read some ayu lyrics in their album order to see how they connected to each other... IMO, from begining to end, MA really sounds like a big address about how Ayu felt about her father, from the times they were together, to the time he left, how it felt after it, and on the end, the news about his death.

I've always felt that way about Memorial address and I was worried I was alone in that. Glad to see that's not the case. :D

truehappiness 1st March 2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CHE.R.RY (Post 2824758)
I gotta say though...I feel sorry for the people who pre-ordered the CD+DVD2 & had no idea what the cover would be lol...I hope they're not offended by it in anyway, & it was like SKYia mentioned, it's not something you could totally display to people with pride :laugh.

Some fans in Japan were wondering what cashiers might think when you purchase the album in CD shops, haha~

Andrenekoi 1st March 2012 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2824759)
I've always felt that way about Memorial address and I was worried I was alone in that. Glad to see that's not the case. :D

And today is the day we finally agree on something xD~~

MissElin_ 1st March 2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2824735)
Your PS3 is Region 2. Sadly, people in the USA are stuck in Region 1. It's odd that it didn't work in your regular DVD player since it should be the same region.

And I don't think it will ever come out on Blu-ray due to ARENA TOUR 2012 A ~HOTEL Love songs~'s existence. BEST of CDL never got rereleased after being bundled with A BEST 2. There IS an HD .ts/.mkv file floating around of the concert which is your best bet (but it's also 20GB+).

Look at that. Thanks. Didn't know. Strange though it didn't work before. xD

TeamAyu2004 1st March 2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CHE.R.RY (Post 2824758)
I gotta say though...I feel sorry for the people who pre-ordered the CD+DVD2 & had no idea what the cover would be lol...

Why? thats the best cover out of the lot.

emi♡ 1st March 2012 08:25 PM

I agree. Ayu on all fours, in lingerie...I'll take that any day over the boring one with a shoe and the ugly awkward boob one.


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