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v3lun420 20th March 2008 02:17 AM

SHe still looks gorgeus. She is great as usual, but, this time onlly, I don't understand the whole concept of this pv, so i'll give it a C(+). Sorry Ayu, even though some says it has really deep meaning, but I couldnt understand it no matter how hard I try

Kikaru 20th March 2008 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Uemarasan (Post 1380215)
After eight years of being an extremely passionate Ayu fan, this phenomenon has always always always never failed to bother me :)

Actually, most PVs and MVs in general bother me. They should get movie directors and fashion photographers to do videos. One of the best music videos I've seen was made by Wong Kar Wai.

Well, I guess having certain amounts of sucky PVs do make the good ones stand out better :P But yeah, the other day I rewatched all her PVs and realized that most of them are really boring to sit through.

I think 2003-2004 was her PV year in term of how it looked artistically. I dunno, The trilogy, M, Evolution, Dearest, and Endless sorrow wasn't THAT interesting to watch...

I'm rambling. I wish they really could get a movie director as well, because I noticed she either tend to get directors that focuses a lot on the story aspect but the visuals would lack a bit and vice versa. And movie director tend to combine both...

freedreamer 20th March 2008 07:01 AM

someone should make Idealist's POST a sperate thread...IT NEEDS ATTENTION!!

zoomzoom 20th March 2008 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by freedreamer (Post 1380545)
someone should make Idealist's POST a sperate thread...IT NEEDS ATTENTION!!

You're right, it's kinda hidden in this thread. I guess I could make one.

~X2RADialbomber~ 20th March 2008 07:06 AM

Jeez it's not that bad. Haven't you guys watched Born to Be...? :|

ImpactBreaker 20th March 2008 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Uemarasan (Post 1380215)
After eight years of being an extremely passionate Ayu fan, this phenomenon has always always always never failed to bother me :)

Actually, most PVs and MVs in general bother me. They should get movie directors and fashion photographers to do videos. One of the best music videos I've seen was made by Wong Kar Wai.

Actuaslly, I think ayu fans cry too much. Most artists music videos and PVs sucks and don't really have a plot. Most of them usually have the singer on the streets or inside a house, just singiung with mostly random stuff happening, if any, at all. ayu is really one of the few imo who manage to have many PVs with plots and the likes. Whenever she does somethig regular, ppl act as if it is the End of the world

baka-ranger 20th March 2008 10:28 AM

^ yeah I completely, Ayu fans now really high expectations of her because of all the great stuff she released in the past. haha we're all spoilt =P

leo_nardez 20th March 2008 11:17 AM

anyway,

I've shown the PV to some of my friends who are not a fans of ayu...

they kind of like the PV...
and they said it's just cool~

zoomzoom 20th March 2008 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1380607)
Actuaslly, I think ayu fans cry too much. Most artists music videos and PVs sucks and don't really have a plot. Most of them usually have the singer on the streets or inside a house, just singiung with mostly random stuff happening, if any, at all. ayu is really one of the few imo who manage to have many PVs with plots and the likes. Whenever she does somethig regular, ppl act as if it is the End of the world

Exactly, compared to many other artists, I'd say ayu has a really high standard of pvs. What were people expecting, a motion picture? Oh wait, we got that with Distance Love, and people hated it anyway :shakehead

Lanz16 20th March 2008 03:47 PM

I've watched the PV yesterday, and I think that isn't not good but much better than "glitter/fated" mini-movie.

The PV reminds me of "STEP you" but in six different sides of Ayu-chan.

Kenshi 20th March 2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanz16 (Post 1380984)
I've watched the PV yesterday, and I think that isn't not good but much better than "glitter/fated" mini-movie.

The PV reminds me of "STEP you" but in six different sides of Ayu-chan.

Oh I agree with you with the "better than glitter/fated" statement. :P

Actually after I have read the interpretation, I really loved the PV of Mirrorcle World!

But that bit where ayu rips her coat.. Her expression is so funny!! XDD Cannot stop laughing every time I watch it! XD

sibby 20th March 2008 05:15 PM

I LOVED IT like every other ayu pv

ITS REALLY.. erm.. cool? i dunno im speechless..

been speechless for the past 15 minutes -.-

ayu_ready? 20th March 2008 05:23 PM

who said WHATEVER PV was the worst eva??? it's great, because there's really a plot in it that fits the lyrics ;)
Trust wasn't baaaad to my mind too...

but I agree about Born to Be though...:yes or Startin? looked quite cheap and crappy, but I love the Pv and the song lol :P

EDIT: Distance Love was better because it looked as a one of these j-doramas, plus, it had the sweet Shawn, aww :luv2.......and it was directed very well :yes

milky_way 20th March 2008 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanz16 (Post 1380984)
I've watched the PV yesterday, and I think that isn't not good but much better than "glitter/fated" mini-movie.

Awwww, I liked Distance Love :(
Then again, I'm all for sappy and cliche plots because I've seen one too many chick flicks :laugh

kiseki89 20th March 2008 07:52 PM

A little Alterna-ish - the intro

Overall I like it... but as usual I dun really get the pv

jonneh 20th March 2008 08:37 PM

I like the PV. It's really interesting. It has sexy parts, fierce parts, and funny parts, to me. :P And I noticed similar themes from Evangelion, especially the part where she asks if she should leave her body, or stay in it (trapped). Everybody needs to go read Idealists' interpretation of the PV, because as soon as I did, I made wayyy more connections than just that one similar theme of Eva. The PV is really a lot more interesting than it looks at first glance, and gets better with every watch (which is exactly like Neon Genesis Evangelion). You see more when you watch it again. Hear more. Notice more.

It did have quite the few funny parts - I especially laugh when Ayu trots away in her gigantic red dress (after dropping the hankerchief). It's hilarious :laugh

But it also had a couple really great parts - I absolutely LOVE it when she moves her jacket's collar from her face and the sound of a mirror cracking/breaking is heard, and the expression of her face is priceless. You can definitely tell she was in a good mood, having a great time filming in Paris. :D And then the rest of the PV picks up and is even more awesome, all the way until the end.

Anyway, if you hate the PV, try reading the interpretation, it might help you to understand it more. Or maybe since I've always just been interesting in the whole singularity theory thing, I'm biased towards this PV.

naxxo.licious™ 20th March 2008 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1380607)
Actuaslly, I think ayu fans cry too much. Most artists music videos and PVs sucks and don't really have a plot. Most of them usually have the singer on the streets or inside a house, just singiung with mostly random stuff happening, if any, at all. ayu is really one of the few imo who manage to have many PVs with plots and the likes. Whenever she does somethig regular, ppl act as if it is the End of the world

We agree for the 999 time on this thread *except for the WHATEVER thing, but whatever lol*
People are never satisfied with ayu. If ayu ayu says "Pink", we say "Meh, why not blue?. If ayu says "Blue", we are like "Gosh, why not pink". If ayu says, "Pink and Blue", we reply "Green would have been much better"
Poor ayu. IMO all the stuff she releases is HQ. Yet people treat her recent stuff like ****.
"But ayu doesn't sound like in 2001 :cry" WOOT! guess what? time also passes by ayu. And i would like to know about one artist who still sounds like she sounded 10 years ago.

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Originally Posted by zoomzoom (Post 1380728)
Exactly, compared to many other artists, I'd say ayu has a really high standard of pvs. What were people expecting, a motion picture? Oh wait, we got that with Distance Love, and people hated it anyway :shakehead

:laugh yeah. And if someone is wondering: yes, i enjoyed Distance Love

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Originally Posted by ayu_ready? (Post 1381106)
who said WHATEVER PV was the worst eva??? it's great, because there's really a plot in it that fits the lyrics ;)
Trust wasn't baaaad to my mind too...

............:weep *shrugs*

xLuna&1LOVE 20th March 2008 09:19 PM

The clip is soo great! I love her acts and the Paris Style!
I love the scene with the doves that flied by Ayumi in the red dress.
And I love the scene with the Telephone Cel!

Feather nails rule!| Yeah, this was not the best, but one of the greatest PV's I think.

zoomzoom 20th March 2008 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by guilty_me (Post 1381348)
People are never satisfied with ayu. If ayu ayu says "Pink", we say "Meh, why not blue?. If ayu says "Blue", we are like "Gosh, why not pink". If ayu says, "Pink and Blue", we reply "Green would have been much better"

That really is how it is.

With the talkin' 2 myself pv, people were like "waah, too much dance, she has short hair, the dancers are too prominent". This is completely opposite, there is no dance, she has long hair and her dancers are nowhere to be seen. Still not good enough.

Chibi_Venus 20th March 2008 10:14 PM

I thought this was a brilliant PV after looking at it a second time. In my opinion, all of her previous PV's seemed as if they all led up to this one.

So, I'm really going for imagery rather than symbolism. I'm not good at that sort of thing.

Spoiler:
I really love the beginning. It's almost like a movie: the scenery, the orchestra, the set-up of this glorious story.

I'm somewhat unimpressed with her lip-synching here in the beginning, but I think Ayumi looks stunning! The barret really suits her.

The next scene I'm about to talk about, the part of her in the sexy outfit, is the first that reminds me of previous PV's and such. This part actually reminds me of a photoshoot she did a while back during the promotion of "Secret."

Alright, next is the feathery head shot. The eyelashes remind me of "alterna" and the nails remind me of "RAINBOW." This shot, in my opinion, actually makes her look like she could be in a Western/American video.

The red dress is another reminiscing image to me: the old commercial for a Lumix camera (maybe?), and they used "RAINBOW" as the background music. This image didn't have a large affect on me.

I wondered what they would do for the sound effect of the glass shattering, and I really like the use of all four Ayumi's singing and showing their emotion/facial expressions.

The phone booth reminds me of "Ladies Night" (the phone itself) and "About You" (the glass box).

The ending is very hypnotic, in my opinion.


So, right now, I'd give it and 8.5 or a 9 out of 10.

nightlightyear 20th March 2008 11:01 PM

Really deep I guess. Again, Paris and Ayu were so pretty!

Tarot Warrior 20th March 2008 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ~X2RADialbomber~ (Post 1380550)
Jeez it's not that bad. Haven't you guys watched Born to Be...? :|

Absolutely right! Mirrorcle World is a thousand times better than Born to be!

On another note, ayu's fierce face was so funny that it forced me to make a new avatar.

Rawr

Kashoku 20th March 2008 11:57 PM

I LOVED t2m, probably one of my favorite pvs by her ever, so naturally I'd hate this one XD

taskinillusion 21st March 2008 03:49 AM

I really liked the PV! I mean, sure there wasn't much plot to it or whatever... But Ayu looked amazing!

Except I really thought something different for the slow, dreamy part where she's just singing... The version in my head would have been so much better than the "alterna" head singing there... :/

CHE.R.RY 21st March 2008 04:34 AM

I have to say that I'm really not impressed with this PV. I was expecting something fun and imaginitive like we saw in 'Together when...' and 'Marionette'...but that...well...it was pretty boring...I mean what was the theme, secret agent escape O.o? I just think it was awful other than her glamorous outfits (as usual), but nice costumes don't make a PV good -they just help it really. So yeah, I don't have much to say...maybe I was just expecting too much? I can't get over that some people are actually saying this is one of her best PVs, but ah well, I guess it's just my opinion.

Oh and another thing, Ayu was too dramatic in her movements and lipping...it was a little funny xD

Taru86 21st March 2008 04:38 AM

I really loved this pv! I really liked how Ayu did a lot of exaggerated arm movements and such, and I think that all the different parts of the video went very well together. :love

ayuzlove 21st March 2008 04:44 AM

^ yea...but after reading Idealist's interpretation...i like the pv more...juz that the meaning behind the pv is much harder to understand than "Together when..." and "Marionette"...she relies more on the lyrics to convey her message in this pv

CHE.R.RY 21st March 2008 04:49 AM

^ It doesn't help this time for me. I just don't like it period. No offense.

ayuzlove 21st March 2008 04:55 AM

^ its ok...people have diff views abt this pv....the 1st time i watch i was really confused and kind of disappointed too...having this "So...the pv is like that?" kind of thought

mischief9 21st March 2008 06:55 AM

I think the PV is pretty good. Not the best video ever and certainly not the worst. Looks like she is just having a good time with a secret agent, Parisian thief theme. Like an old movie. I dont think anyone can take her expressions seriously. As aware as Ayu is of her image, she had to know what she was doing. I think its supposed to be over the top and stylish, like Bold & Delicious was and to an extent Startin, which was a complete parody of everything bright and flashy.

It appears she went for tiny influences from different sources like the Matrix and old movies. If you have ever watched old black and white movies then you know how over the top the acting and expressions are and underlying sexuality in them. After all of the PV's for Guilty like Talkin 2 Myself, Decision, Marionette and Together When, she just wanted a silly PV and to hangout in Paris for a bit. Everything can't have a deep meaning and be all flashy.

As for bad PV's lets look at Angel's Song and Born to Be. Does anyone have any idea what superhero werewolves and bank robbers have to do with anything?! Greatful Days was pretty bad as well. Alligators, raves and motorcycles crashing through windows. She just has fun and goes for it. As for being too sexy, she is almost 30, I think she's allowed to show an arm or a leg. If she was bouncing around like a 12 year old and speaking in her squeaky voice, then I would be worried.

All in all, good song and good PV, if take you it for what it is. Just one fan's opinion.

zoomzoom 21st March 2008 07:55 AM

^ I wish it was intentional, but then what was her excuse in don't leave me alone?

ruixiong89 21st March 2008 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by zoomzoom (Post 1381985)
I wish it was intentional, but then what was her excuse in don't leave me alone?

I don't know, I guess it was about EMPOWERMENT! RAWR! I mean, it's perfectly fine too! And I don't really think she was over-reacting as much in (don't) Leave me alone as opposed to Mirrorcle World.

I can't begin to even IMAGINE her LIVES to this song. :P Yup, you're definitely GONNA get more OVER-REACTING AYU! To a VERY large extent! Teeth-gritting, pseudo-fierce looks! Mwhahaha, gotta love it!

:love

AND BEST OF ALL:

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/custom...tar13109_2.gif

Woots! Tarot Warrior, your avatar simply ROCKS MY SOCKS!

jon_the_d 21st March 2008 09:46 AM

wow 17 pages of crap.

not even gonna bother reading it. probably 95% of it will just piss me off.


I just think some of you are being over critical when you haven't even tried to understand the pv, and being petty over trivial matters after missing the more important things.

Ayu, and this PV, deserve MUCH more credit. if you can't see that, then it's a shame, but I'm not gonna read any more of your thoughtless whinings.

tenshi no hane 21st March 2008 10:44 AM

Am I the only one finding it ironic that when she sings "It's no time to play a victim and run", she starts running away (in her red dress)? XD

Love Appears 21st March 2008 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tenshi no hane (Post 1382133)
Am I the only one finding it ironic that when she sings "It's no time to play a victim and run", she starts running away (in her red dress)? XD

Hehe yeah, that's what I thought too. But, when I thought about it more, I concluded something along the lines of... she's not gonna run away like a victim... she'll escape victoriously. Or.... something like that. Hmm. I don't know. :D

elepop 21st March 2008 05:34 PM

I finally saw the PV! Well, there's a lot of things I like and a few I don't.

WHAT I LIKED:
- All the outfits Ayu wore were REALLY nice.
- Ayu looked gorgeous in all the scenes.
- I love the scenery, especially the phone booth part!

WHAT I DON'T LIKE:
- The scene with the trench coat... She her movements and facial expressions were too exaggerated. Kinda like her movements and facial expression in "talkin' 2 myself"... It kinda ruined that part.

Overall, the PV was actually really good compared to a lot of the recent PVs she has released. I just think the PV was a bit random... And yes, I did read the interpretation that was posted. But an interpretation and just an interpretation. It doesn't mean that it's what the director of this PV meant to do. I don't really think the PV is all that deep.

ownsarai 21st March 2008 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jon_the_d (Post 1382067)
wow 17 pages of crap.

not even gonna bother reading it. probably 95% of it will just piss me off.


I just think some of you are being over critical when you haven't even tried to understand the pv, and being petty over trivial matters after missing the more important things.

Ayu, and this PV, deserve MUCH more credit. if you can't see that, then it's a shame, but I'm not gonna read any more of your thoughtless whinings.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, are they not? I personally love it, and after reading some peoples interpretation of the PV, it makes me love/respect it and Ayu even more. :)

And thanks to everyone who like my signature. :D

AyUmIXx 21st March 2008 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by asongforXX (Post 1382583)
I finally saw the PV! Well, there's a lot of things I like and a few I don't.

WHAT I LIKED:
- All the outfits Ayu wore were REALLY nice.
- Ayu looked gorgeous in all the scenes.
- I love the scenery, especially the phone booth part!

WHAT I DON'T LIKE:
- The scene with the trench coat... She her movements and facial expressions were too exaggerated. Kinda like her movements and facial expression in "talkin' 2 myself"... It kinda ruined that part.

Overall, the PV was actually really good compared to a lot of the recent PVs she has released. I just think the PV was a bit random... And yes, I did read the interpretation that was posted. But an interpretation and just an interpretation. It doesn't mean that it's what the director of this PV meant to do. I don't really think the PV is all that deep.

u don't like ayu's movements and facial expressions, well i like it..hehehehe :)
i just thought she looked cool like that~

Surreal 21st March 2008 06:39 PM

it's okay. i thought the red dress scene was super random.

Tarot Warrior 21st March 2008 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ruixiong89 (Post 1382058)
I don't know, I guess it was about EMPOWERMENT! RAWR! I mean, it's perfectly fine too! And I don't really think she was over-reacting as much in (don't) Leave me alone as opposed to Mirrorcle World.

I can't begin to even IMAGINE her LIVES to this song. :P Yup, you're definitely GONNA get more OVER-REACTING AYU! To a VERY large extent! Teeth-gritting, pseudo-fierce looks! Mwhahaha, gotta love it!

:love

AND BEST OF ALL:

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/custom...tar13109_2.gif

Woots! Tarot Warrior, your avatar simply ROCKS MY SOCKS!

Hehe, glad you like it ^_^ I was THIS close to make a matching sig too...

But maybe the lives could be super fun. She like invites the audience to make big Fierce looks or drags a few of them on stage and they have to power walk as exageratedly as possible to win a prize or something.

Hey, if she can make us Para-Para to Trauma and MY ALL...

Joel 21st March 2008 09:16 PM

I didn't like Ayu's music after her MY STORY album, but this song itself is pure awesome. However, the PV wasn't. To me, it didn't fit the song well at all.

freya_ayu 21st March 2008 11:04 PM

i didn't like it at the beginning... but the analysis made sense. I think that atleast it is different from the repetitive comment of "random"

she's really overacting tho. :(

I'm worried about how well mirrorcle world will do... but its deep. It really is.


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