MTE. Like wow, the lack of empathy is unreal.

What's funny is that a lot of you say these "negative opinions" over and over again for literal years abt a sick woman every single chance y'all get, while knowing her current condition and as to why she sounds like how she is right now. When someone throws that same energy back at y'all then all of a sudden claim it's an unhealthy discussion, play the victim and make other fans who are defensive about her look like the bad guy.

Just because y'all buy her stuff, doesn't mean y'all are excused to say something so disrespectful.

Y'all preach so much about being able to freely express an opinion, but turn that as an excuse and act coy when other ppl state their opinions about your opinion. And no, I don't block because I want you to see what I think about your opinion. Some ppl on here may don't mind, but there will be ppl who will take offense as well, and if you can bring that negative same energy to the table then you should be able to take that as well

Girl, I don't talk to rude people. Bye!

I don't get all the hate to KittyKathy posts at this thread. I can understand them, but not the reaction. Please explain

As for half deaf ayu, if she learned how to sing she will be able to sing even completely deaf.

That most likely wouldn't be true for a performance where she is not just there stanting still. Otherwhise, more capable singers than Ayu wouldn't need an audio return phone while singing.

Even if she actually sing amazingly well while standing still and concentrated on her sing, she would also be bashed for being boring on stage. Actually, this already happened on the past.

Totally agree with you! Even though I don't like the song, it doesn't mean I hate her. Honestly even though I don't like some of her releases (I repeat, some), and I'm not passionate as I was before, I can still say that she's still my most favorite artist up to now. I love her because of her works. Whenever there's new release or news about her, I go straight here because I want to know other fans' opinions. I love this forum even though we have different opinions'. (I don't know if I'm making sense now) ��

Edit: I just realized that this is another thread. I don't get why my first comment was moved here when it's about her song 23rd monster. Does it mean I cannot comment to her new songs that I don't like in the thread and just go directly here? Maybe "hate" was a strong word but then it just made me think. I'm not here for debate or something.

Agreed. The fact we even have such debates is a sign that we all still very much care about Ayu and are willing to spend our precious time to discuss about her.

Thank you for clarifying. I don't know but I'm having anxious feelings as to why it was moved. 😁

Jesus, i haven't been on here for a few weeks and... What the hell happened? lol

Everyone is taking things WAY too seriously. O_O
Do people really dwell on this stuff?
I personally come here, get my first impressions out and move on, unless someone engages in a conversation, and even then, sometimes i can't even be bothered to respond lol

There's always someone complaining about someone complaining, someone complaining about people not complaining...like, 'c'mmon. lol This is ridiculous.

Most of the stuff is just petty things, individual opinions. It's not THAT often that people get into ACTUAL debates over stuff, like serious debates. The closes of it i've seen is usually just arguing over the wording of things. But it's so rare that someone just doesn't process what they say to the point where it literally sounds like an insult to Ayu or someone else... None's debating Ayu's work over here, it's just another argument on how someone didn't cherry picked their words lol You guys are failing lol

Debating opinions about music taste is pretty useless, you won't get anywhere with it lol People get too worked up on them. Does someone else saying they don't like something will impact how you love it? NO, so.... I don't like a lot of the classics that majority adores, and listen to a lot of stuff that others think is megh, does that mean it will make any difference in what i enjoy and what i don't? NOPE. So why does it matter? I'm not sure why some take other people's opinions as a personal attack.

I've said it before and i'll say it again. We can bark as much as we want about her work at the end of the day she's gonna do what she feels the right for her and there's nothing you can do about it. As soon as you realise that, it's like "ah, well...moving on!" lol

Since when "engaging on a deep level" is a requirement? I liked the song, didn't like the vocals. That's why I said (unfortunately) this song won't be as iconic for me as some of the past songs in a similar genre (genre that I love). Your reply hurt me and made me leave the forum for month. So you can see how you invited conversation. Despite coming up with critique thread I still feel that honest opinions if they aren't praise are not welcome here.
If you can't tolerate comparisons with old Ayu despite appropriate contexts maybe it's your personal issue. And nobody was forcing you to talk.
I received so much hate for this. I was called obsessed, told that I had too much free time on my hands and other unpleasant things just because I was interested in that technical aspect of her shows (how much she sings live) and made comparisons based on recordings of multiple dates. Like it's OK to discuss her stage costumes and whatnot, but god forbid if you claim that she lipsynced here and there, no, she would never-ever do something like that!

As for being used to her new voice and her health issues: you know, years ago she said herself that will keep singing like a pro without making excuses; her vocals are inconsistent, she can do good now and then she can do bad next time, you never know for sure what you are going to get, so I'm not sure how exactly you can get used to that if her voice and singing style changes all the time. Like Dreamed a dream and 23rd Monster are both new releases, but sung differently.

if someone has a very thorough negative critique of whatever, I don’t mind reading it because it’s someone else’s shared thoughts I may find interesting.


It sucks her voice is different and I don’t like her material as much as I did in 2013 which was her peak for me but meh oh well. Lol I’m glad to be here

My major issue with her music is her voice... the vibrato really annoys me lmao
Really just the vibrato. She can hold a decent note....
I’m trying to mimic her while singing and I’m like why are you doing this? It’s a stylistic choice but I don’t know why she’s gotta over use it. There is a time and place Legend A.

Also reading the comments... my goodness.
As for who this forum is aimed at.... well.... that’s a good question:)

Sometimes I want YouTube's Honest Vocal Coach to react to her raw performances, although I suspect some things she would say as she already talked about screaming.