Hmm...

I'm not fan of Utada Hikaru, I've listened only couple of her songs. I just watched Hikari and I think it was nice and cute. I like glam PVs, like Ayu's JEWEL, but I also like these "normal life" -PVs.

As for Ayu, she has an amazing variety of PVs, there's something for everyone. So it's really up to your personal tastes. For GREEN and Days, I don't really have any particular wishes... suprise us, Ayu!

@maikaru: I agree with you

Ignorant..because I don't like Hikki's PV? While you don't like Ayu's PVs because you can't understand the symbolism, and just call it diva-ish and looking pretty? Hmmm ok! lol~
With "what's it about?" I didn't mean it literally, but as a figure of speech like "why is it so messed up/freaky/ugly?". But still, not understanding an PV, I'd hardly call that ignorant. XD

But anyway LOL that's kind of contradictory, don't you think? Saying that traveling's PV fits the song's title, but that JEWEL's PV makes no sense. Umm, there are JEWELS in the PV? Not to mention that it also suits the lyrics.

Most of Hikki's PVs just give the impression that they lacked skill with making it and they just threw it into "LOLZ lets make it look all weird and messed up and call it artistic! Let's put a lot of people in a train thingie with weird colors and costumes!". She should'a let someone else do the PVs than her "awesome" ex. But then again I haven't seen ALL her PVs. I do really like the Passion PV and Keep Tryin' is kinda cute, though.

As for Together When, I would prefer Ayu's "moving" PVs anyday over Hikki's. Be My Last and Dareka are just so cheesy that it's ridiculous. The hit-with-the-car-scene was like wtf? It looked like a parody on the real PV (if there had been one). o_X PVs like HEAVEN and rainy day are just gorgeously fragile and moving..But that's my personal preference. After having done a take 10 times, who can really cry that perfectly? Maybe her crying just isn't that movie-style-pretty-pretty.

And actually I'm not just a fan of PRETTY PVs, because I did rather like the way they incorperated the chorus and verse timings and the turning on/off of the water crane at Hikari's PV. But it was still so boring lol.

Forgetting Ayu's Endless sorrow, RAINBOW, etc.?

Hahaha~ EXACTLY!

Would that be me? .____.

Anyways BACK ON TOPIC. XD I can't wait for GREEN and Days. XD

I seriously feel like slapping anyone who thinks that fairyland's PV was bad. To me, fairyland, both the song and PV, has a very deep and special meaning to me.

@ baby_ayumi: It would be better if you stop contradicting yourself in your posts. Seriously, if you're not a fan (seeing as how you enjoy bashing Ayu so much; go back to your Hikki forum), then why are you even here? No one's asking you to be devoted to Ayu and love every song and PV she puts out, but, your posts... doesn't seem like you enjoy any bit of Ayu's music.

Her PVs are all fantastic to me. Sometimes, reading the lyrics alongside watching the PV makes you read more into the PV. That's the feeling I always get. This was a really unneeded argument in the first place, so... yeah. Peace out.

^

fairyland was a GREAT PV ^__^ The burning of the photos, the scene in the water, etc.! A great variation on the standard dancing-on-the-peach PVs

The high budget Ayu PVs turn out to be pretty boring imo. Just like fairyland and Mirrorcle World. Sometimes the not so high ones are better, like 1 LOVE, alterna, Ladies Night, Endless Sorrow, RAINBOW, Marionette.. They probably weren't cheap as well, but not as expensive as the other ones..

And I think Hikki has awesome PVs as well, at the same time she has some really boring ones. Heart Station is horrible, and I like these types os PVs that nothing happen (like HEAVEN, that's great xD). But Be My Last, Passion and Keep Tryin', for example, are ones I think are marvelous.

Well, anyway.. In general I think Ayu's PVs are better, but Hikki's ones are good too. =P

I meant to ♛_baby_ayumi_♛ XD.

and me too! I really want to know how Days sounds like!

Will Days leak anytime soon? I can't wait for it either!

All this bashing is ridiculous. .___.

Personally, I prefer Hikki's music (hides) even though I am more of an Ayu fan. I think Hikki has better quality music and although not all of her PVs are great, she does have quite a few that I cannot imagine Ayu ever making.

On the other hand, Ayu is great too. She releases often and generally has good music. Not as experimental as some others but I tend to love her albums. And she does have a decent amount of great videos out there but just because it's got a tiny little bit a symbolism doesn't mean that it's epic artistic masterpiece. I really like in depth symbolism which is why I really like MW but I wouldn't see Hikki pulling out a Glitter PV, get what I mean? If one of them comes out with an equivalent to Glass Skin by Dir en grey, I'll be freaken happy because that's great symbolism that none of them has ever come close to. :)

I don't understand why fans of Ayumi or Hikki hate each other so much. They are both good artists and don't deserve any of this bashing. And for Christ's sake, don't get so hyped up when somebody doesn't worship Ayu. .___. Some "I don't agree because so and so" is perfectly fine but what's up with the threats of banning?

hey the PV to Dareka is connected with the movie Casshern! So it actually HAS a meaning that it's so cheesy >.<"

WOAH! Whats up with all the bashing? Seriously this is not the place to discuss this crap. If you all wanna fight go somewhere else. I'll just say one thing: does baby_ayumi remind anyone else of baby_utada who was banned for posting crap in the Koda Kumi threads about Utada being better than anyone??

I can't wait until I hear the full version of GREEN. The preview just makes me love it more!! It sounds so dramatic!!

Have been MIA for 2 weeks... so need a little clarification.
The new single is called Days/GREEN or GREEN/Days or both as stated in the 1st post? Coz the official site has only stated Days/GREEN... but I'm not sure it's for both versions or just one of them like what the 1st post has stated

It's either Baby Utada (which I doubt she is) or someone from AHS who got another account and trying to imitate her trying to make fool of us while she is bashing and dislike every ayu album, single or whatever. Anyway I hope it stops.

I want to hear how Days sounds because we didn't hear anything from it yet XD. GREEN already sound going good. I love the orientalness.

It's Days/GREEN! ^_^

It just got 2 versions Days/GREEN, and GREEN/Days where tracklist 10th anniversary songs versions and making offs are different but the main title is Days/GREEN.

If you look on CDJapan: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/list_from_c...tml?key=246497

You can see the single has two versions.

Days/GREEN and GREEN/Days

I thought the same as you since the website doesn't show any difference, but when I came around to order them, the difference was clear between the titles.

Wait, what? So because Dareka is connected to a movie, it's cheesy? o_O But..I said it's cheesy? I didn't say it didn't have a meaning. ^^;

Ooh ok! ^^

1.5 mil? Combined or for a single PV?

As for the Ayu vs. Hikki PV debate...ehh, they both got their share of good ones, and their share of crappy ones. Personally I yawned through the Hikari PV (I honestly don't feel like watching someone doing dishes. I see that everyday already at home), and I think DR is where she hit her stride, PV-wise. On the other hand, I found MW dull (although the art history nerd in me loved the architecture and the surroundings)

It's a toss-up, honestly. I don't expect any artist to constantly making good PVs throughout their career. PV, in the end, is just another form of promotion and marketing strategy. It's about target audience and etc...

I wonder how much of the budget was actually for traveling and renting the place for filming...Seeing that everything has gone up lately...Seeing that I think most of Fairyland PV cost are probably in able to buy/rent a place and allow it to burn down and all the security around that.

IM SO ANXIOUS FOR THE FULL OF GREEN
when might it be leaked
most songs are exactly a month before... but someone said something about fairyland being 2 months early?

Does anyone have any clues of how Days will sound like? Ballad, up-beat, rockish?

I hope Days will be a Up-beat song ! :)

On the contrary, I hope Days will be a ballad. For one, her last A-side ballad single was HEAVEN, which was like 3 years ago?. Besides, GREEN sounds more like a dark-ish rock ballad to me, not something she would perform in Kouhaku, but meh, I will enjoy whatever she puts out (provided if it's good, which it has to be!)

i asked this before and it's because they didn't rent the set, they built from scratch

I hope kinda rockish. not a ballad

I would like something like the t2m single. not in the sense of the songs but in the sense of the second song is moving. no ballad.

Yeah, I love her rockish songs so i would love another one.
But actually I think it would be pretty cool if it was a club song like Until that day... or something. Tough I find it really hard to see Ayu in a real club PV (not like Fly High PV but more like namies och kuus club PVs.) Haha. XD

I want a winter ballad being released as single again, I hope Days is one of them

I realised that if GREEN is anything like the preview she will actually be able to do something really fresh and different for many of the songs this year, maybe an entire different style direction again, something that hasen't really happened quickly and crazily since RAINBOW. Mirrorcle world was definetly something we had never heard from ayu before, heck even from any artist, and from the arrangement of GREEN it seems to be a surprise as well. I guess the rather blandish Life can be excused ;) if this is the case.
And I like the change!

Maybe her third chapter will be more like her first in terms of rapid music changes =)

*crosses fingers* i want to make it back up to 200k! (or more :P)

Wow! That's pretty awesome

Thanks ^^

^ LOL NO 300K+ FTW!!! (miss) understood baybay!

Kinda off topic, but it IS rather strange how ever since Bold & Delicious her sales have gone DOWWWWN. I really wonder why! Is B&D insulting to some JP or what?

^it was released right before (m)u, people wanted to buy the album instead of the single to save some cash since both song sand PVs will be on the album

Word to the wise for everyone after reading the last two pages. Stop feeding the troll and it will starve. Trolls get enjoyment out of people responding to their posts, because that means they've caused panic and you've let them win. baby ayumi/Luv/ashohee/DDD and all that crowd will get bored of bashing Ayu if we stop listening.

Anyway, I really hope Days is energetic and fun, because I'm really in no mood for a ballad~

from the ringtone preview i am rather excited what GREEN will be like.
i detested it when i saw the panasonic ad. but now i'm glad for a new direction <3
even if i'm really scared of a very corny pv aw god...

and days is a "cool" song as she put it, so i don't think it is a ballad.
i don't think it will be rock either, bc that wouldn't fit the style of life and days.

and btw: i'm starving. i need chcolate ;____;

Ay-ay Cap'n!

I think Days will be energetic... It has to be... I know a lot of people who want it to be a ballad, but I would rather a (power) ballad come next to be honest...

I think after the whole anniversary stuff is over a ballad would be appropriate... I mean the last ballad'ish b-side Life wasn't very memorable... I seriously forget it's in her discography at all.. Even though I like it when I hear it occationally....

Sorry about that... ^^; I guess I let my anger get to the better of me! D: But anyway!!! I hope Days is like No way to say combined with Dolls!! :P

Agree! :D But because I do want some kind of ballad on there, for the christmas mood, I'm buying the Love ~Destiny~ version :) best of both worlds! To Be is also a ballad of course, but I had to pick something.

@jbrat2219: yeah I always forget Life too somehow >__> didn't impress me I guess.

i think Days will be a ballad, you know winter like^^

but i really don't care what it'll turn out to be, if it's good it's good, i don't care if it's a ballad, up-beat , rock or techno (even tough i hope not techno, i just don't like it in general)

if days is a ballad or rock song, i'll be rather disappointed. here's hoping for the best :) i really need to hear an upbeat song from ayu D:

YESSSSSS two PVs! This sounds like a cool single, the song sounds dark, I like the sound of that, Marionette #2. And haha Greenday is probably laughing if they see this.

I'm really hoping that we finally get some great PVs again. It hasn't been since missUnderstood that we've had some really great ones.

I think it did turn some people off. Japanese much prefer someone to be humble and B&D was the exact opposite of that, especially the PV. It was way too diva for Japan imo.

I kinda agree with that, but Ayu's PVs used to be amazing though and Together When isn't that bad. These days though, yeah they do seem to be more just about being pretty and that's about it. Or if there is a meaning in there, it's very shallow. Having a few pvs like that is fine, but not all of them.

I have a feeling ALL the songs will be ballad-like... otherwise that would be weird since GREEN, LOVE ~Destiny~ and TO BE are all ballad or have ballad qualities.

To me, Green is a power ballad.
What else is it?
I mean, it doesnt fit most genres..

I am really hoping Days (or DAYS? days? I have no idea...) that it is upbeat.
I wanna know that she can make those kinds of songs again..
If she just makes rock and such sad and depressing songs, I think I will go depressed. ahaha~

And I hope To Be and Love Destiny are really good remakes..
It will be so exciting to hear them, but maybe anticipation will make people either like them a lot or hate them a lot.
I think with remakes, there is no middle one. -_-;
I'm hoping for great songs to end the year~!

And hopefully this Countdown will be so much better.
And Kouhaku preformance.

And to add to PV talk~ I think Green's PV will be meaningful..
Because I think it won't be about like, prettiness but the actual story.
I am waiting!

Hmhm, I knew that, but I'm wondering why after that all her sales have gone down to. Like B&D killed 50% of her fans.

Ah, okay. Makes sense. But then to actually lose so many fans? : / Well the song is kinda meh, imo.

Hmm, do you think so? Putting the Secret-GUILTY songs on a list (I might miss a few):
---- Secret
JEWEL - Very gorgeous and suits the song, great PV.
1 LOVE - Nice concept, nice images, cool PV.
BLUE BIRD - OK, this one is kinda meh, but it does suit the song nicely and the JP people loved it.
Startin' - Meh... Not Ayu. I agree this isn't a good PV.
Beautiful Fighters - Cute, suits the song, good PV.
Born To Be... - Need I say more? Bad.
momentum - Great PV, nice concept and plot twist. Great atmosphere.
---- GUILTY
(don't) Leave me alone - I actually really like this one, but I guess it could be seen as boring.
Marionette - Awesome PV, concept, artistic. Amazing atmosphere.
talkin' 2 myself - Good, nice choreography, suits the song.
decision - OK, bad. But not "looking pretty".
glitter & fated - At least they tried, right?
Together When... - Nice scenes, artistic, nice concept.

Idk, I'm not really seeing many bad PVs. Mirrorcle World was pretty nice, too.

OK. ^^; But Luv~Venus is a troll, too?

I personally don't mind if Days is a ballad too....HEAVEN/will was a great single. However, it would be nice if Days is a upbeat song like step you or ladies night. As much as I love ayu's rock songs, I don't want one for this single.

I really didn't think there was a single great PV on Guilty. Marionette I have always felt is kind of overrated. Talkin' 2 Myself and Together When are good, but not in the great category. On Secret, Momentum and 1 Love were the best, but still not fantastic imo. All in all, when you compare her PVs of the last two years to her previous ones they just aren't anywhere near as good I don't think. Really, prior to 2006 I thought that her only sub par PVs were B&D, Pride, and maybe a few off of a Song For Xx - other than that she had 7 years of PVs that ranged from good to amazing, many of which leaned towards the amazing side. Then, I just don't know what happened the last two years other than that she used Takehide Ishii waaaay too much and stopped using the more creative people like Kouki Tange. Or maybe people that weren't so creative, but at least knew how to light a shot and use interesting angles and good camera work like Isou and Takeishi.

btw, is there any word on who is shooting the PVs for Green/Days? Please don't let it be Takehide Ishii, Please don't let it be Takehide Ishii, Please don't let it be Takehide Ishii, Please don't let it be Takehide Ishii.

Edit: I will add though, that Jewel is very pretty and all the shots are lovely. It just shows once again how good Wataru Takeishi is with a camera. So it's a pretty PV, but I don't really have great apprecation for it beyond that.

Take is from Mirrorcle World? If so I don't want him no.

But OK. XD I love her recent PVs and think her old ones are kinda meh..The ones from ASFXX and LOVEppears I really don't like..I don't think they become very good until the RAINBOW era (with exceptions, like Daybreak and Dearest). ^^ Though really it varies from album to album.. I thought MY STORY had very average PVs. I don't like About you and GAME as they're pretty much random flashes of images, etc. They were good, but I like (don't) Leave me alone and Marionette better. walking proud was just plain strange, and I prefer Together When... Humming 7/4 was boring, and CAROLS was "OK". HEAVEN isn't such a long song, so it's OK to do a one-scene thing, but CAROLS is so freaking long. o_o Where did the swinging part from the making of go anyway? I wanted that in the PV. : / Would'a been beautiful.

LOL at the long parts XDDD.

I really really really wanted to see ayu swinging too! It would so fit the song (and the amazing cover) T_T.
Too bad there was no CAROLS -Another PV Version- but as we know they didn't shot the swinging scenes because of the storms at that place over that time. Stupid storms.

I think that someone said here that MW's PV director is the same for GREEN but before the freak out people need to give him another chance, the shots look good, but let's see the PV before we judge XD.

More than the director, it's Ayu over the top facial expression in MW that almost ruin the PV for me. Seriously, I have to laugh when she is walking in the trench coat; no way that can be taken seriously. :)

Mirrocle World was actually Kazuyoshi Shimomura. Takahide Ishii did such gems as Startin', Born to Be, and Blue Bird. However he did also do Momentum, so he does have the capacity to not be total crap, but his track record isn't that good. :) Although, Momentum is good because the story/concept is good, not that his direction is really that good.

That's why even Ayu's somewhat simple PVs from the past like Carols or even evolution etc I still find to be very good. They may not have a great story, but those pvs were always shot extremely well. (the cinematography and what not)

I know it was so divaish that me and my friend was on the floor as we enjoyed that PV with the whole matrix feeling into it XD.
I love this PV FOR the exaggerations ^-^.
Though 1 MW is enough I say, I like this PV and I hope it will stay unique with the whole idea.

GREEN PV looks it's going to be different with the whole wig and the dragon parade thingy, but we will see.

I agree, I don't know what people mean by "older PVs" when they say they prefer them over the new ones... Because A Song for XX and LOVEppears PVs were... not very good ><; I mean back in the day when you first saw them, maybe... (like when I first saw Fly high I thought it was so fun, not so much now...) but compared to her new ones, I don't think they hold a candle... Sure her new ones aren't perfect, but I do think they're better. And I also think/hope GREEN and Days will be another two great PVs.

I guess if you're more into how it was shot, those PVs would seem better... to be honest, I don't pay much attention to that stuff unless it's hard to not notice how bad/good it is...

Quoting melrose (because the post was too big and I was lazy to edit:


glitter & fated - At least they tried, right?

LOOOOOOOOOOOL I just burst off with that! XD

baby_ayumi: (Hope I got your attention, ha ha) I just want to say I do feel bad for the bashing you seem to be recieving for voicing your opinion, but it just seems you are wording your criticism of Ayu a little to harshly...? I mean some of the things you have said really are cut-deep comments. Yes, lately Ayu's PVs haven't been the greatest, although Together When... and Marionette were amazing. Her music quality isn't increasing at all, but I do have to agree that even though I love her ROCK stuff, it's a little too much right after the other - change it up a little bit Ayu, ha ha. And referring to your comment regarding "she is no longer the queen" or something and how "Namie has beaten her" ... Namie was in the sewage gutter for a while there. Lol. Some of her stuff was good but she was NOT on top until recently. Ayu will always be the QUEEN, even though her sales are no longer 4,000,000 - she still accomplished more than anyone and her tours are the grandest of them all.
All in all, I am sorry for all the members ganging up on you, but they have a point. Just keep your criticism more subtle? Ha ha.

I hope these covers are ala MW and not Blue Bird like. As in, you can atleast see some difference in the covers :P

I want to see another artsy-looking cover like Endless sorrow.

That would be nice. :yes I don't think we will get it though.

i feel like Days is going to be a rockish ballad. but then again, i'm never right about these things. i thought decision was going to be a slow song :P

Supposedly, GREEN is directed by Kazuyoshi Shimomura and has the same team working on it as Distance Love.

^:thud

...i hope that doesnt mean this is going to be Distance Love~prequel~ lol

ugh i couldn't stand those PVs but it was a nice effort

i think ayu pvs are amazing.....

i can say like this isnot becuz i'm a big fan of ayu but here in my country in indonesia where j-pop are really not familiar,my friend who dont like j-pop neither said that ayus pv are amazing whereas they arnt fans of ayu, they said that ayus pv are great with many creative ideas....

when the ayu-hater said that ayu just keep going on showing her prettines,i thought that they just felt envy about ayus face.....(*^_^*)

n ayu's pv have a great meaning i guess,,,,,,
if u understand about the meaning of the song u'll get understand about the pv...
n i think they're a "heavy" pv cuz we cant directly understand about the pv,n we have to think hard to guess what is the meaning of those pvs are...

n btw....

i dunt realy like a love-story-line pv like glitter/fated they seems like a regular pv whose many artists did.
n i guess glitter up-beat rhytm doesnt suit with the pv.....

i hope this new pv will be amazing just like ayu used to be.....

i'm really lookin forward to watching the pv soon.....

time for buying new single.. yiihhaa

I predict this single will be a HIT and sell at LEAST 350k.

Oh crap. :thud I'll hope to be pleasantly surprised, but oh crap. :thud

It's this kind of decision making lately that is making me scratch my head. Is no one going up to Ayumi and telling her that the PVs from those people weren't exactly well received?

I'm guessing that Ayu is the type of person who doesn't really care if people dislike it... like, as long as she is feeling that it's good [like all the work Kazuyoshi has done since 2008 started]... it's good to her, even when in comparison to her previous works, they're not at all at the same level..

It's a wonder that it got worse as 2008 rolled around with Kazuyoshi.. but I'm hoping that 2009 has no more Kazuyoshi or Takahide..

SERIOUSLY??? :thud...where did you get that from? :dead2

These ppl should go away forever: Kazuyoshi Shimomura, Takahide Ishii, Luis Hernandez, and Wong Hoi and his crew. They are the reason why we haven't been getting great pvs. :gnash...There are some great concepts but too bad they're ruined.

^haha! sometimes i really wonder...do they even check on people's feedback...but o well..
i really think this MV is gonna be something. The chinese culture thing is quite fresh esp for the western audience right? so, there is bound to be something new for most people in this MV...

about Days, i really hope she is making a "STEP you/is this LOVE?"-esque single. One upbeat, One dark. same as with fairyland c/w alterna...

Ayu's "kakoii" is somewhat different rite? She could describe Marionette as Kakoii the other time..and she probably meant GREEN? then again, there is the choreography..
so i hope her Kakoii this time is for a cool "Startin' or until that Day..."-like kinda song...

(she still owes us a summer song LOl)

To be honest, I'm one of those praising the old pvs over the new ones as well. There are lots of things making the old ones better than the new ones. Yes, the techniques should be better now, and avex should have more money to throw to ayu's pvs. What I think about the new pvs tho...
1) glamorous, glamorous, and glamorous.
2) ayu's overacting.
3) no concept at all.
4) poor directing (yeah we can blame the directors for that).

Technically the old pvs aren't that well made (I watched TO BE pvs a few days ago and found out that the stars in the pv are kinda suck). But the pvs are very close to the song itself, and they actually connected to the lyrical contents deeply. Also, back then ayu wasn't just making herself ONLY glamorous. It's like she had more than one dimension back in the old days. Also, she was much more creative back then. All of her pvs are really well done between LOVEppears --> I am... era. I started feeling her pvs not getting as good as used to be when she released Free & Easy. Also, none of her pvs in RAINBOW are good at all (F&E, Voyage, Real me, RAINBOW). Her pvs got better during Memorial address. Then, her pv were only good between MY STORY --> (m)u era. After that I don't consider her pvs are good at all. I love JEWEL and (Don't) leave me alone, but they can't compared to the old pvs at all.

My personal fav pvs from ayu: LOVE~Destiny~, TO BE, appears, kanariya, vogue-Far away-SEASONS-, M, evolution, Dearest, ourselves, No way to say, Because of you, etc...

I don't know, for me it's hard to believe that someone would love, say for example, Kouki Tange's work, but then still feel that stuff like glitter/fated is just as good. :shrug. Sometimes I do wonder if it's a case of someone gets too famous and then suddenly they get locked into a pattern and they get surrounded by "yes men" that tell them no matter what they do it's amazing, brilliant, etc etc so that then they eventually start to lose the perspective of what in their career was actually the amazing, brilliant stuff and they themselves can no longer tell the difference. Anyone have any idea what I'm saying? :)


Bluegie: You had me with you until you said that Ayu's PVs went downhill after I am... :) Really? You said that Free and Easy and Rainbow are bad, but I think those are two of her best. Usually you don't find too many negative opinions about those two pvs.

I would die for another RAINBOW pv. Come to think of it, its not like ayu stopped using the ppl we like. She's just using them for something else that we don't care as much. Leslie kee did photos for cdl 07-08...and wataru Takeshi did asia tour 07 taskinst video (and possibly asia tour 08 as well) and decision pv.

I dunno I thought RAINBOW was pretty darn good... one of the better ones I think. The concept in it was clear, it was visually appealing, great location (her own country!!! lol) and she looked great... Maybe I just don't see the concepts in her old PVs as clearly (some I do, but most I don't...) I dunno. But I don't think it's fair to say her new PVs have NO concept at all. I think it's just presented in a different way. But people can not see it maybe because of all the glam?

I think new or old, she has some good ones, bad ones and weird ones hahaha

^^ lol. Ok guys, back in your corners. No one is a troll, least of all Luv_Venus. Ayumi is great. Utada is great. Everyone is great, but everyone is different.

wow

troll?? lol


no one is a troll!!!
xDD

I guess everyone has different standards to what makes a good PV! I'm certainly finding that compared to many people here, my standards are low xD; (especially if many would agree Ayu's recent PVs are bad.) To each his own opinion I guess. But I kind of have a feeling GREEN will blow everyone away. At least that's what I'm hoping... And hopefully Days too!


*edit*

Sorry to spin slightly off topic, but...
Has anyone noticed one of the tags to this thread is "so wet so tight".... <.<;...

LOL thats the best "end the fighting comment" ever.
everyone is the best, lets all be friends haha
XD

true

we all should share our way of thinking, and not attacking other people or artists

I used to talk bad about other artists, but I learned lol

so I'm good now

^^

:roflmao

OMG, gross! :laugh

^ Isn't it!?

I wonder if Rody! did it on purpose xD;

um ew..who put that tag there?
ok i just got the green day joke XD

What I'm seeing on this forum is a lot of people who just don't care about lyrics and music as much as image. Who cares if the pv isn't spectacular? Who cares if the cd doesn't get the #1 position? Who cares? What I really care about is the music, the lyrics and the emotion and hard work put into those things. I see that a lot of people here don't even understand basic lyrics and don't really pay attention to the meaning of the music and the meaning of much else. There are so many people obsessed with sales and image that they've all forgotten how to listen to and appreciate a damn good song. I think that's pretty tragic.

Im the kind of person who don't take lyrics seriously but I have to say ayu's lyrics are pretty deep and emotional.

Still, I don't pay much attention in the lyrics but the music and vocal themselves. I think Ayu's music is getting much better and better.

About the image. She never fails me. She has both musical, conceptual and artistic PVs. You just need to take the good things in and just stop all the complaints. As if Ayu is going to listen to you all anyway.



I wonder when we will get a preview for days.

How does caring about the PVs = not caring about the music and lyrics? In fact most people would argue the opposite that these days the PVs focus too much on a glamorous image and not enough on content...

The fact is that a big part of Ayumi's career has been that she is known for having excellent PVs that really drive home the message of a deeper meaning to the song. Ayumi is not known and revered for having average PVs, but amazing ones.

Do you have the time, to listen to me whine... so now Greenday songs are stuck in my head. And that "so wet so tight" tag is stuck in my head too everytime I see this thread now.

I think every topic should have a random tag like "severely moderate weather" or "making your baby look younger", or anything unrelated that makes no sense. ^_^


I don't know Japanese. ^_^ So I just listen and wait on how I react and feel about the music. Same goes when I watch a PV or a performance. As for the lyrics, I tend to read the translations later in hopes that I'm actually listening to something with meaning. Since I have rewritten some of Ayu's lyrics in English, I have I good idea on what they mean.

Regardless, I love eye candy! I mean who doesn't want to like to look at pretty and shiny and sexy and glamorous and everything-that-makes-your-eyes-go-pop things? O_O

Although, I don't agree with that, because I believe her pv's have always successfully put the message across. Together When... was just as poignant as Dearest and many, many others. What I meant to say is that people seem to be focused on the impact of the pv rather than the pv itself. I don't understand how people think that Marionette is overrated and I don't understand how people don't see the breathtaking beauty of JEWEL. :irked People need to look past all that and just enjoy the damn video AND the song.

While I agree that Ayu's pvs are important for her career, they're not everything. By far they're not everything. I honestly don't think Ayu would have a career without her music and lyrics. Anyone can make a good pv with the right material. Not everyone can write heartfelt lyrics and music like Ayu does and I think that a lot of people don't seem to notice that as much, which is a shame considering that this is a place that calls itself Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai.

At least you like the music, but I honestly think at least a minor understanding of Japanese should be required if you're listening to a song in Japanese. It's just my opinion, but I don't get how people can listen to songs in other language and say that they understand them just as well as people who actually know what the lyrics are saying.

My point here is that Ayumi Hamasaki is a lot about the lyrics. Her lyrics are her music most of the time! So it's just hard for me to understand how so many people can go without knowing a little Japanese on her behalf, especially since most translations can't really be trusted and are even "creatively enhanced" by a lot of translators.

omgosh its like finally an ayu song that isn't rock SO HAPPY LOL ~! YAY ^^ I can't wait for the MV ^^ and Song

Ew "sp wet so tight" lol ~! thats gross if it means what I'm thinking XD

aww can we stop mentioning people's names? like I don't see the point in bringing up luv, DDD, and Ahno =( ~! That was unecessary and rude.

I agree, I think this forum has changed a lot from the first time I joined. Here people are becoming obsessed about very little things and you have to go through a lot of redudant stuff whenever you open threads like these. IN addition you get all of the threads "who ws ayu like kid" and similar plus an endless number of polls that goes in no direction. I used to all the time being able to go through "new posts" but now more and more I go directly to forums to avoid it. :irked IMO it's fine to care about sales, but not to obsess like crazy and that without even relising it and that goes for anything (like we had those copycat threads a while ago..)

I don't think anyone is really arguing against what you are saying though. I think it's pretty basic that what matters most is the song and the lyrics. Its not a bad thing though to want a good PV to go with it. Or what if the songs turn out to be not so good? Great PVs can enhance average songs.

You are also assuming a lot by implying that people not happy with her PVs must not speak much Japanese. I'm not really sure how exactly one correlates with the other actually. Sure, there are some people on this forum that probably have not read her interviews or all of her song lyrics and are primarily into her for the image but all I know is that I'm not one of them...and I think that the vast majority of the people here do care about the music and lyrics.

I agree that RAINBOW pv is excellent in providing its concept... Somehow when I first saw the pv (well when it was released), immediately I thought it was lacking of something amazing. Just like HEAVEN, I pretty like the concept of the pv, somehow it was lacking something as well (I guess fairyland used up lots of the budgets back then LOL). So, RAINBOW is good, but not in my amazing ayu pv list :P, cuz the first impression of the pv has already imprinted in my mind..

^Haha lol. And I who thinks that RAINBOW PV and HEAVEN PV is one of the greatest! 100% emotions and nothing more. :D

Yes, HEAVEN and RAINBOW did trigger people's emotion. However, for me ayu was on the top of the game while she released RAINBOW, and her fashion was like very very trendy back then. But when RAINBOW came out I felt it wasn't that up to standard. HEAVEN was too simply (in terms of emmn.. how it was directed). I kinda love both pvs, at the same time there are something I dun like.

But tbh, these two pvs can smash out 80% of her recent pvs, which don't have too much concept at all.

Well you know, sometimes simple comes out the best. I love artists who makes one-clip-music-videos. They always are great cuz there is soooo hard to do a whole vid in just one clip. Offcourse thats my personal oppinion after all. But there is something great with one-clip-videos. The just deliver a very special kind of emotion. And for the song HEAVEN was the PV just was perfect. HEAVEN is on my top 5 with no question! :D

when you talk about one-clip-music-videos, the first one attacked my brain was wannabe LOL.
Hmmn, choosing between HEAVEN and Daybreak (both one-clip-music-videos), I think I prefer Daybreak even tho her image is quite scary :D. I still watch HEAVEN tho when I'm in the mood :).

PS: I just notice I had an error (at least) in the previous msg... it should be simple, not simply... LOL..

yay! i was feeling like the only person who really loved Daybreak. it never gets boring for a second!

Yea, I agree. E.g. SURREAL is seen as a classic PV (..I think), and I agree it has some artistic concepts, but it's basically a toned down version of BLUE BIRD with Ayu standing at random locations. =3

Haha, I love the facial expressions, because they're kinda funny and over the top, yea. XD But after three PVs with them let's have something else now. :3

LOL, yea, Take has some awful PVs. XD Wataru has done all her expensive PVs (my name's WOMEN, JEWEL, fairyland) so I'm hoping he'll be doing this one, too. Or was a different direction at the set in Shanghai?

I think because people see Loveppears, Duty, I am, etc. as the "Classic songs," they will like the PV more simply because of that.

Like evolution is nothing but an upbeat version of flyhigh.
Without the audience.
And only one ayumi.

It's not bad, but I think it's not fair to say that her pvs in the past were so godlike, and then now so bad.
It sounds so confucian to say it like that. ahaha.

Like, to me, Dearest, Rainbow, Momentum, JEWEL, evolution, SURREAL, they were all about glamourous, star images.
They had storylines of course, but you know like, they also had that glamour glamour sort of feel.
To me, at least.

Her pvs now are really NO DIFFERENT than the pvs she used to make.
Mirrorcle World is a darker version (and more twisted / sexy) of Dearest, her running from people trying to control her.
Marionette's storyline and visuals remind me of alterna, Ladies Night.
don't leave me alone reminds me of any PV where she has had ugly clothes.

Like, look at Depend on You, You, trust, poker face.
Yeah sure, maybe they have storyline, but I prefer Mirrorcle World over combination of all of those.

Like, Boys & Girls, to me, was her first glamour pv.
All it was was her. In the yellow rooms.
That's it.

I think it's just people wanting to go back to songs that were in the olden days, like confucians. w~
Because obviously, if you don't feel as strongly about the song, you won't like the PV.
So I just feel that even though I don't really like Dearest PV,
Many people do because it IS Dearest, the song.

Some of her newer PVs are godlike in comparison to some of her old PVs and vice versa tbh.
There are newer PVs which I find more interesting and more meaningful than some classic songs PVs.

Exactly, sometimes I also wonder if people want her to make new stuff and not PVs or things that she already did.

Is this the first time that a new single thread had so many replies and was so highly anticipated? Hahaha.

But in any case, I agree 100% with ayumisrael, that some of her newer PVs were godlike compared to her older ones, and vice versa. Her PVs never really lost that 'Ayu' feel and aura to me, so there isn't anything that I can "pick on". I am that kind of person who would watch Ayu's PV, and try to make up some "theory" or storyline to it... (just like how I concluded that About You's PV was directed to the haters, when parodies of her older album covers (man in vines who looked like I am...) were flashed throughout the video)

It's virtually impossible for Ayu to release PVs that suit everyone's tastes. For example, I never really liked evolution's PV, cos I found it to be too bland. But when I read masa's interpretation of it on his website, I didn't know that evolution's PV could be read like that. I accepted his interpretation, though I didn't agree with it.

Be it Ayu, Hikki, Namie or Kuu, they can never always release PVs which everyone will like. One man's meat is another man's poison.

I completely agree :yes, but like Ayumisrael said, it works both ways.

On a personal note, I was mad Boys & Girls PV didn't have boys and girls xD;.... I'm not sure I'll ever get over that, no matter what the concept of the video was for haha.

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I agree, I think B&G is one of the PVs I can never really watch, the song is so good but I get bored with the PV I'd rather get up and dance.

I'm also a little confused, what would be "Old" and "new". Is the stuff rorm (m)u "old" already? And in that case, there is a great diversity of her old PVs..

I think most of her first PVs were very lame, I never really watch them anymore because I think it' more entertaining to listen to the songs without those visuals. I think the first truly nice PV ayu had that was actually appears or maybe Fly High or SURREAL. There's def. a change in the style of her PVs no matter if you like it or not from very simply PVs with few participants to bigger sets and budgets between and Duty and I am... After I am most of her PVs have been more in the format of a professional diva. Most of her PVs after this have been rather good IMO one way or another, even if there are some I don't like as much as the others.

It's impossible to say how GREEN will turn out before we've seen it. Of course if you prefer to make up your mind that it's bad up front you're welcome, but I think you'll no matter what be in for a surprise. Personally to me it's not always about director or budget, nor scenery or story, but a combination of the above and a little something that manages to touch you beyond that what the music can do alone and that is very rare.

I so hope GREEN accomplishes that! But what I'm REALLY looking forward to is how Days will turn out... ballad or up-beat I hope the PV is just as great as I think GREEN will be...

for all we know...Days could be this experimental track hahaha

currently she has Greatful Days and until that Day..., which are both fsat songs haha

I hope it's like until that Day..., I remember when I heard that song and I felt this amazing sensation.