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waterballoon 9th June 2009 02:29 AM

^ Thank you!!! OMG, I would love a full review soon~ hehe

Picaflor 7/4 9th June 2009 02:49 AM

ugh when is this being released again? taking forever.

Ayumiko 9th June 2009 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TakaSama (Post 1973444)
Really quickly, because I'll make a full report later - After going to the Hokkaido show on Saturday, I have to say this in one of her most impressive concerts yet.

She sang everything live, at least at my show, (which was easy to know because she kept making mistakes with lyrics/dropping syllables - she actually forgot an entire line of everywhere nowhere). One thing to note about Energize was that it was quieter than the other songs because she was using her "cute" voice (rather well actually), but I know it was live because she was out of breath by the end. Despite the minor mistakes, her voice was awesome for most of the concert, with the one really clear exception being My All. I was extremely impressed that she didn't scream Boys & Girls like she usually does.

Actually, I was so impressed with the stage and her performance that I'm trying to find a way to see one of the last Tokyo concerts in October! While Ayu may be hit or miss vocally within a song, overall, her singing is better than I've seen on the past few DVD releases (again, based on my show)

wow thanks very much! I'm looking forward to your report =)

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 1973296)
So now that Ayu sucks at singing...we can all make the excuse that, because she's Ayu and her epic factor is high...her live vocals no longer matter :)

I bet Ayu could release a pile of dog crap as an album and people would still say it sounded totally awesome.

I agree with waterballon that vocals are really subjective. Right from the start I know ayu is not one of those great live singers...but I enjoy watching her perform coz of the emotions she put into singing the songs...even if her singing was considered bad. Her singing technique might be questionable but I like her voice...the strong vocals she developed.

nope I wouldn't...if the song is bad, the song is bad...even if its ayu...my fav artist...I would still refuse to listen to it.

ayumisrael 9th June 2009 03:10 AM

Thank you very much TakaSama!!
I'm glad to hear you liked the show both vocally and visually and that EnergizE wasn't lip-synced. :)

Can't wait for your full review!

AyUta 9th June 2009 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TakaSama (Post 1973444)
Really quickly, because I'll make a full report later - After going to the Hokkaido show on Saturday, I have to say this in one of her most impressive concerts yet.

She sang everything live, at least at my show, (which was easy to know because she kept making mistakes with lyrics/dropping syllables - she actually forgot an entire line of everywhere nowhere). One thing to note about Energize was that it was quieter than the other songs because she was using her "cute" voice (rather well actually), but I know it was live because she was out of breath by the end. Despite the minor mistakes, her voice was awesome for most of the concert, with the one really clear exception being My All. I was extremely impressed that she didn't scream Boys & Girls like she usually does.

Actually, I was so impressed with the stage and her performance that I'm trying to find a way to see one of the last Tokyo concerts in October! While Ayu may be hit or miss vocally within a song, overall, her singing is better than I've seen on the past few DVD releases (again, based on my show)

Wow, it sounds great! Can't wait for your review. :)

polka-dot-jewel 9th June 2009 03:51 AM

Thanks for your small review TakaSama!!! I can't wait to see your full review =D

I personally HATE that we're having this lip-synching discussion again. It seems like with every video released (whether it's 4secs or 2min), somebody thinks she's lip-synching, and here we are, having another 2+ page discussion about the topic =/ Yes, she lip-syncs, we all know that, and we've all seen her do it before, so it's nothing new. It's her choice to lip-sync; if she wants to, let her do it. She sings live A LOT of the time, and that's the most important thing.

I'm very excited about seeing her in Tokyo in 11 days, though! I know I won't be paying attention to whether she sings live or not. I'll just be excited about being at another Ayu concert =D

jbrat2219 9th June 2009 04:33 AM

@ TakaSama, Thanks for the report! I might just skim it because I still want to wait for the DVD to see how amazing it is. But I'm glad to hear she sang live :D

Even though I don't really care if she lip syncs, I respect her for singing live majority of the time even though she's not a great live singer.

rookies 9th June 2009 04:33 AM

@ Takasama : Can't wait to see the full review, I like the short preview you wrote, hehe. ^^

Picaflor 7/4 9th June 2009 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by polka-dot-jewel (Post 1973518)
I personally HATE that we're having this lip-synching discussion again. It seems like with every video released (whether it's 4secs or 2min), somebody thinks she's lip-synching, and here we are, having another 2+ page discussion about the topic =/ Yes, she lip-syncs, we all know that, and we've all seen her do it before, so it's nothing new. It's her choice to lip-sync; if she wants to, let her do it. She sings live A LOT of the time, and that's the most important thing.

that does remind me. ayu (aside from whoring up remixes) also is whoring up the stage. how many concerts has she done so far? (cdl + ayu concerts)

amorphose 9th June 2009 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Picaflor 7/4 (Post 1973471)
ugh when is this being released again? taking forever.

The tour isn't even over yet. XD We'll probably get the TV version in like November or December and the DVD in January. I think that's how it was for AT08.

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Originally Posted by Picaflor 7/4 (Post 1973578)
that does remind me. ayu (aside from whoring up remixes) also is whoring up the stage. how many concerts has she done so far? (cdl + ayu concerts)

She's done well over 10, I believe. I love that she does a lot of concerts though. I wish Utada would take a lesson from her. xD

p.s.
I just realized that I quoted two of your posts. Didn't realize it was the same user when I did it.

polka-dot-jewel 9th June 2009 05:17 AM

^ We might not even get a TV version of this years concert. There wasn't one for AT05-AT07. I think the only reason they did one was because the DVD version was being taped in Taipei, and they wanted to show one of her Japanese shows... maybe. *shrugs*

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Originally Posted by Picaflor 7/4 (Post 1973578)
that does remind me. ayu (aside from whoring up remixes) also is whoring up the stage. how many concerts has she done so far? (cdl + ayu concerts)

lol Ayu's a workaholic. She's done 12 nation-wide concerts (AT09 is her 13th one), a few mini-concerts, 9 CDLs, 6 full a-nations, 1 one-city a-nation (2008 - Tokyo-only)... I think that's all. lol

tokyoxjapanxfan 9th June 2009 05:33 AM

i'd really like another stadium tour....

watching the 2002 stadium tour is so much fun (even though her voice during that time wasn't very good......live.) i would have liked to gone to it haha!

alternarist 9th June 2009 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by polka-dot-jewel (Post 1973518)
I personally HATE that we're having this lip-synching discussion again. It seems like with every video released (whether it's 4secs or 2min), somebody thinks she's lip-synching, and here we are, having another 2+ page discussion about the topic =/ Yes, she lip-syncs, we all know that, and we've all seen her do it before, so it's nothing new. It's her choice to lip-sync; if she wants to, let her do it. She sings live A LOT of the time, and that's the most important thing.

i agree. Well, ever since PCDL, we can confirm that ayu lip syncs sometime in her 11 years of singing. we cant deny that i guess. So I don't think discussion is necessary because it is much or less proven that ayu lip syncs!!

But i guess, ayu will not lip sync unless it is absolutely necessary. i may be wrong. i duno. it's just a guess.

And back to the topic of AT2009, i am happy that ayu sang live (based on what Takasama said). it's a pretty long concert and ayu had to do it at least 30 times of the same thing. It's gonna be tiring. but ayu puts in her best effort in everything she does. so i am happy.

freedreamer 9th June 2009 06:24 AM

^yea wad u said just summed it up for EVERYONE.

cant wait to read ur review!!!

ayumimylove 9th June 2009 08:32 AM

Why didnīt post the entire review instead a short one?

Whatīs the point in let us in suspense? xD

truehappiness 9th June 2009 08:58 AM

Thank you, TakaSama.

The DVD for this will probably be out in January or February 2010 judging by the October finale date. As for a TV version, there is only a month or so between the two legs of the tour [with the month inbetween being a-nation] but.. we could still get SOMETHING. Like a digest of clips in some sort of release.. maybe..?

I always find it hilarious how when Ayu sings terribly, people are all up in arms over it and then when she sings rather well, people accuse her of using a vocal track. I don't think people are being fair, to be honest.. haha.

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Why didnīt post the entire review instead a short one?

Whatīs the point in let us in suspense? xD
Probably gonna take a while to type out like 4 pages of review. I recall some reviews were really long after a short little blurb about how good the show was, haha. So don't get your panties in a bunch.

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I bet Ayu could release a pile of dog crap as an album and people would still say it sounded totally awesome.
Depends on the person listening. I mean a lot of people don't exactly like Bjork and loads of people love her. -isn't a Bjork fan really- Haha.

njanjayrp 9th June 2009 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TakaSama (Post 1973444)
Really quickly, because I'll make a full report later - After going to the Hokkaido show on Saturday, I have to say this in one of her most impressive concerts yet.

She sang everything live, at least at my show, (which was easy to know because she kept making mistakes with lyrics/dropping syllables - she actually forgot an entire line of everywhere nowhere). One thing to note about Energize was that it was quieter than the other songs because she was using her "cute" voice (rather well actually), but I know it was live because she was out of breath by the end. Despite the minor mistakes, her voice was awesome for most of the concert, with the one really clear exception being My All. I was extremely impressed that she didn't scream Boys & Girls like she usually does.

Actually, I was so impressed with the stage and her performance that I'm trying to find a way to see one of the last Tokyo concerts in October! While Ayu may be hit or miss vocally within a song, overall, her singing is better than I've seen on the past few DVD releases (again, based on my show)

At last, something positive :) Thanks! And looking forward to the full report!

Anyways I like Ayu's voice and I don't think it sucks.

@ Emiko - pile of dog crap you say? Well check out the Hikki thread, that girl has already released a pile of dog crap and some people are feeding on it like crazy. Why couldn't we? :thud (don't get this the serious way and don't call the Utada-trolls)

Zacek 9th June 2009 09:59 AM

Thanks for the report! I'm waiting for a full review!

TeddyGrahams 9th June 2009 10:05 AM

njanjayrp@ you're my hero! haha

Anyways, omgosh! I'm loving NL tour so far. :D So lovely. and thanks TaKasama! ^^ Glad to hear some positives in this thread.

jbrat2219 9th June 2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1973743)
@ Emiko - pile of dog crap you say? Well check out the Hikki thread, that girl has already released a pile of dog crap and some people are feeding on it like crazy. Why couldn't we? :thud (don't get this the serious way and don't call the Utada-trolls)

:roflmao

Where there is someone who hates something, there's someone who loves it. Likewise, Ayu (or anyone) could release a "masterpiece" and there are still people who will trash it. It's totally based on opinion. And popular opinion usually determines whether something's good or not. I say, if you enjoy it, you enjoy it. If you don't, you don't. The problem is people have a hard time accepting other people's opinions and other people don't make it easy by bashing/praising everything.

noidea 9th June 2009 02:35 PM

This tour grows on me someway...even without watching it...I hope it will make me love NEXT LEVEL again, I kind of started disliking it...Hope for a TV version during A-Nation or something(wouldn't A-Nation and AT09 on TV right behind each other be amazing?)

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Originally Posted by TakaSama (Post 1973444)
...but I know it was live because she was out of breath by the end.

Ayu sometimes synchs only parts of the songs...(many UNITE! choruses, some evolution choruses, ANGEL's SONG CDL0809 had the last lines live(and out of breath) as well...) But I don't want to start a discussion now, I will wait for a TV or DVD release to say she sung it live or playback, this is only to say that thats not much of a proof when it comes to ayu xD

njanjayrp 9th June 2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1973893)
:roflmao

Where there is someone who hates something, there's someone who loves it. Likewise, Ayu (or anyone) could release a "masterpiece" and there are still people who will trash it. It's totally based on opinion. And popular opinion usually determines whether something's good or not. I say, if you enjoy it, you enjoy it. If you don't, you don't. The problem is people have a hard time accepting other people's opinions and other people don't make it easy by bashing/praising everything.

Ah don't worry I wasn't trying to bash Hikki, as I myself am a fan of her Japanese work :) I am far from hating her, she was the first JPOP artist I got into. But yeah, it's all based on opinion, I considered GUILTY a masterpiece xD many didn't think so :innocent

jbrat2219 9th June 2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1973926)
Ah don't worry I wasn't trying to bash Hikki, as I myself am a fan of her Japanese work :) I am far from hating her, she was the first JPOP artist I got into. But yeah, it's all based on opinion, I considered GUILTY a masterpiece xD many didn't think so :innocent

It's okay, I know you weren't ^^; Just in general, people like to bash a lot D:

I think GUILTY was perfect to be honest. I don't care what anyone else says LOL. I think NEXT LEVEL is great also because it acts like the extreme contrast to GUILTY. It's like:


Dark - GUILTY -------------(everything else)--------------- NEXT LEVEL - Light-hearted

It clearly reflects everything that's been going on in her life. The GUILTY era was a dark time for her, but during NEXT LEVEL, things started looking up :) I don't think some people view the albums that way. But that's definitely how I see it.

njanjayrp 9th June 2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1973946)
It's okay, I know you weren't ^^; Just in general, people like to bash a lot D:

I think GUILTY was perfect to be honest. I don't care what anyone else says LOL. I think NEXT LEVEL is great also because it acts like the extreme contrast to GUILTY. It's like:


Dark - GUILTY -------------(everything else)--------------- NEXT LEVEL - Light-hearted

It clearly reflects everything that's been going on in her life. The GUILTY era was a dark time for her, but during NEXT LEVEL, things started looking up :) I don't think some people view the albums that way. But that's definitely how I see it.

Exactly, even though I can relate to the whole GUILTY theme more, I love NEXT LEVEL as she made a perfect combo of rock and electro pop.

freedreamer 9th June 2009 05:46 PM

^ I'LL JOIN BOTH OF U IN THAT IDEA :)
somehow GUILTY fit my life so I loved it. NEXT LEVEL offered something bright and new...which is just great

noidea 9th June 2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1973946)
It's okay, I know you weren't ^^; Just in general, people like to bash a lot D:

I think GUILTY was perfect to be honest. I don't care what anyone else says LOL. I think NEXT LEVEL is great also because it acts like the extreme contrast to GUILTY. It's like:


Dark - GUILTY -------------(everything else)--------------- NEXT LEVEL - Light-hearted

It clearly reflects everything that's been going on in her life. The GUILTY era was a dark time for her, but during NEXT LEVEL, things started looking up :) I don't think some people view the albums that way. But that's definitely how I see it.

I think the same about it^^ There was nothing about GUILTY I really hated, NOTHING, all of her other albums have at least one song I truly HATE, it was perfect! And the contrast to NEXT LEVEL(we didnt have light-hearted songs for quite a time) made NEXT LEVEL better, at least when it was released...but it can still grow on me...

aura~ 9th June 2009 06:34 PM

^me too, I love both extrems and GUILTY has a lot of great songs!

and taka-sama, i'm anxious to read your report!!

AAAAAH!!! I WANT TO GO T____T WHYYY??? why I have to go to university and pay for a room this year and can't spend this money to go and see ayu's tour??? WHYYY??!! -_________-

freedreamer 9th June 2009 06:54 PM

everytime i listen to NEXT LEVEL...i keep having that craving for a dark song to just add that spice..(and the closest would be Sparkle...for the mysterious part) LOL

MissElin_ 9th June 2009 07:28 PM

Personally...

GUILT > NEXT LEVEL

Just because GUILTY came closer to me and did have more variety imo. But yes both albums are great. Now Im just waiting for the middle between GUILTY and NL meaning I am...(album) pt. 2! :D

noidea 9th June 2009 07:57 PM

^ OMG, perfect xD I just noticed how that describtion exactly fits I Am... and how I Am... kind of is my favourite album together with GUILTY

jbrat2219 9th June 2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 1974195)
Now Im just waiting for the middle between GUILTY and NL meaning I am...(album) pt. 2! :D

Yessssssss \(T_T)/

rookies 9th June 2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by amorphose (Post 1973588)
The tour isn't even over yet. XD We'll probably get the TV version in like November or December and the DVD in January. I think that's how it was for AT08.

We'll have to wait some time then. -__-

Ayusan 9th June 2009 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 1973975)
Exactly, even though I can relate to the whole GUILTY theme more, I love NEXT LEVEL as she made a perfect combo of rock and electro pop.

You, I love you :love at last someone say it: combo of rock and electro pop .... I read so many stuffs that are not NEXT LEVEL style album at all :dead2

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Originally Posted by noidea
I think the same about it^^ There was nothing about GUILTY I really hated, NOTHING, all of her other albums have at least one song I truly HATE, it was perfect!

Well for me it's a little different, there were always a song I hated or like less for each albums, one or two songs ... the too cheesy song as My all, HONEY with the kid voice, althought the melody is so nice to hum !!! .... But for one time NEXT LEVEL is totally ok for me. I just miss some darker songs like from GUILTY. ;o;

truehappiness 10th June 2009 02:11 AM

I don't think we'll get a TV version for this. The break inbetween isn't long enough to warrant one.

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Ayu sometimes synchs only parts of the songs...(many UNITE! choruses, some evolution choruses, ANGEL's SONG CDL0809 had the last lines live(and out of breath) as well...) But I don't want to start a discussion now, I will wait for a TV or DVD release to say she sung it live or playback, this is only to say that thats not much of a proof when it comes to ayu xD
... why are you throwing around your speculation as fact?

JackieRos 10th June 2009 02:20 AM

omg where the hell have i been i missed the whole first threads fill me in
(too lazy to read)

njanjayrp 10th June 2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieRos (Post 1974524)
omg where the hell have i been i missed the whole first threads fill me in
(too lazy to read)

I think that is going to be very hard :P

@Ayusan - thank you~ :love
@truehappiness - Yeah, that's what I've been wondering too, but at least lip syncing parts of the songs would make more sense xD But then again, please, let's not start the whole lip syncing talk again.

jbrat2219 10th June 2009 06:39 PM

Lol. I would have to be super focused to lip sync parts of a song. Knowing when to come in and when to shut up.

noidea 10th June 2009 06:52 PM

^ No, she doesnt, because its usually the chorus...also, her mic is turned off when she synchs, so she doesnt have to care at all, she just cant shout things when shes synching

@truehappiness
If she uses the same playback several times...its not speculation but fact...and you are starting the discussion again, please stop it. The only "speculation" is about the end of ANGEL'S SONG, but no mic-noises for all the song and then suddenly mic-noise(and out of breath) for the last lines IS proof, because the possibility of that happenign is near 0.00000001% or something...they would have to add micnoises on the playback with a computer, but they would have done for all the song and not for the last 4 lines
Takasama is speculating and letting it sound like a fact("I know she sung live because she was out of breath") but you only mind if it doesnt make ayu seem like a goddess, do you?
Ayu sings live!(speculation without evidence(or however that word is written in english))
you: no comment
Ayu sings playback!(speculation with evidence)
you: STOP SPECULATING!!!
Isnt both exactly the same? And both is possible in the same way.

Ayumiko 10th June 2009 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1974515)
... why are you throwing around your speculation as fact?

agreed :yes

truehappiness 10th June 2009 08:01 PM

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Ayu sings playback!(speculation with unproven evidence)
Yeaah. At least this thread is really close to getting done with so I can start a new one, whew~

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Ayu sings live!(speculation without evidence(or however that word is written in english))
you: no comment
Do you think that TakaSama is lying or something? Obviously, someone who hasn't even seen her live [you] doesn't even have credence over someone who has! [TakaSama] It appears that you have problems accepting the truth when it comes to things you feel strongly about, and I understand that, but.. wow. Blah.

jbrat2219 10th June 2009 09:05 PM

NEWS FLASH

Ayu stops performing because fans won't shut up about "speculation."

Now there's something to complain about :irked



Come on guys, we know she sings live, we know she lip syncs. Can we please just leave it at that and not nitpick when she does or does not lip sync. It really doesn't ****ing matter O_O;

emi♡ 10th June 2009 09:54 PM

we're still talking about this? :laugh

there must be nothing else to talk about?

truehappiness 10th June 2009 09:57 PM

There is, but somehow it keeps getting brought up. [via clips/reviews]

I'm rather interested in how she'll change the show post-a-nation.

noidea 10th June 2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1975834)
Come on guys, we know she sings live, we know she lip syncs. Can we please just leave it at that and not nitpick when she does or does not lip sync. It really doesn't ****ing matter O_O;

ask truehappiness about that, I wrote that I dont want to discuss but he/she started it and if he/she brings a new or old argument(or no argument at all) i will, of course, answer, and my answers become longer and longer because of the stupidety of the arguments and him/her wanting prove, ill put the discussion in spoilers so people not caring dont have to read or even SEE it

Spoiler:
I don't think TakaSama is lying, it's quite possible that she sung the end of the song live, but I think saying a song is ENTIRELY sung live based on THE END of the song when many other people who watched the concert say it/a part of it WAS PLAYBACK is ridiculous.
When being at a concert it actually CAN be harder to tell if it's live or playback, because of the simple facts that it's loud as hell, you can't rewatch it and you usually don't pay enough attention to ayus mouth and the sound to tell if it' live or not, the first broadcasts of the CDLs are the best way to say if something is live or not, for the tours, it doesn't make a difference if you are there or not. Playback can be hidden easier on DVD if a mistake is done(like in the two CDLs), but unless that happens, theres no difference. I am not judging playback or not depending on how good Ayu sounds afterall, but on her mouth movements, body movements, breaths(only in some cases though) and, if a head-mic is used, mic-noises. The only one of these factors that can be altered efficiently is the breath, and they don't do it that much, well, not in CDLs at least and its the least important of the factors anyway.

I can't show any evidence for playback in the case of EnergizE AT09, only japanese reports other users read and that little video that doesnt tell much...but I never said EnergizE was playback, only that the possibility is high.
For the other performances, the evidence simply is the video, lets take evolution from CDL0102, that was one of her most obvious playbacks, especially in the tv version. Ill list a few point...
1. Her voice suddenly comes out completely different in the chorus, it sounds a lot more...muffled, like it was recorded with another microphone. But that never happened for another evolution live like DT01, CDL0405, CDL0506 or PCDL(I only list concerts with TV versions so we have (nearly) untouched sound that are not in doubt to be playback) It also gives the impression shes "not in the same room" with the band, at least thats what i read from other peoples opinions about playback
2. She does NOT speak to the audience AT ALL, she does that in every evolution performance that does NOT have this "different" sound for the chorus or uses the CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708, Museum playback(these concerts use the SAME vocal track)
3. She suddenly sings way better...always in the chorus, which is like the hardest part of the song as well
4. Her mouth overexaggerates(im sorry if i wrote it wrongly) the movements and is a LITTLE off, not like permanently being 0.08 seconds lateor something, but sometimes opening a little too early/late, changing to the next syllabe to early/late or close to early/late
5. She dances in the chorus, but it has no effect on her voice, she didnt dance much back then, it should have had a HUGE effect on her voice, especially on her breathing breathing, but its better than in the other parts of the song, she doesnt struggle to get a single note
Of course, over every single of my arguments can be argued, im aware of that...but show the tv version of that performance to someone without having the background of playback and ask him what seems weird...most of them will say the chorus for sure, especially if they watched her other evolution performances

emi♡ 10th June 2009 10:03 PM

lol but don't we have a thread for discussing whether or not she lip syncs?

noidea 10th June 2009 10:06 PM

we have, but truehappiness decided to put it here, I only wanted to leave a quick comment but some overly defensive person wanted to defend ayu again...If I wrote ANGEL'S SONG PCDL0809 was live I wound not have these problems though it is a lie and this argument can be true or false from both sides xD I dont even WANT to discuss it, but I always get "attacked" directly or indirectly like tons of people going up against me that do the same all the time lol

emi♡ 10th June 2009 10:12 PM

^you just have to remember the forum you're at...

this is why I don't really post in the Ayu Section anymore...

it's not gonna change...so sometimes you just have to leave it and walk away.

noidea 10th June 2009 10:12 PM

^ I might do that in the near future if people keep doing that...

jbrat2219 10th June 2009 10:19 PM

Sorry if this has been asked before or answered. But what do you guys think Ayu would you like to see Ayu change for the second leg of the tour in the fall? I haven't seen much (trying to keep it as much of a surprise as I can) but I would like... fireworks for some reason LOL. Or explosions, where there any so far?

Empry 10th June 2009 10:28 PM

^

The only change that I really want is the ereasure of "For my dear" from the setlist. :yes

truehappiness 10th June 2009 10:38 PM

She'll probably stick new singles into the setlist and change up some costumes.

njanjayrp 10th June 2009 10:47 PM

Yeah, some of the costumes could be altered, though she's already done that with these. And I guess she could sing a new song in the encore as she usually does, if there is a new song to sing xD

MissElin_ 10th June 2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1975929)
She'll probably stick new singles into the setlist and change up some costumes.

Ah I hope for that! Would be sooo awesome!!

truehappiness 10th June 2009 10:50 PM

She could replace some of the PCDL songs to switch things up.

nemesisyume 10th June 2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 1975943)

Would be sooo awesome!!



agreed! :yes

can't wait for a new song!


MissElin_ 10th June 2009 10:56 PM

Yeah Im really in the mood for a late summer single since we didnt get any last year... And well yes, her summer singles are always amazing!

dreamland2.0 10th June 2009 11:07 PM

I would love a new song!!
And maybe change some of the PCDL revival songs, with some new old ones to sing!
I'd love Trust to be sung of some reason!!

rookies 10th June 2009 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackieRos (Post 1974524)
omg where the hell have i been i missed the whole first threads fill me in
(too lazy to read)

Just read through the first post of this thread, it has all the important info / videos / pics, so there's really no need to look through all the posts of all the threads.

maikaru 11th June 2009 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teddbear55 (Post 1975969)
I would love a new song!!
And maybe change some of the PCDL revival songs, with some new old ones to sing!
I'd love Trust to be sung of some reason!!

I think an updated version of Trust would be really good!!
I wish she remade Trust instead of You!! ><)

I cant wait to hear EnergizE performed lived.. it's my favourite song from NEXT LEVEL
I also cant wait how she sounds for rollin', because it's kind of a weird vocal, right?

I want her to change the ballad dress into something... that is not a dress!!!
Like Hanabi costume in Stadium tour, or something~~
I think she should tone down those huge dresses, and do like Stadium Tour costumes one time..

I just hope recent event won't affect her.. ><)

rakeru 11th June 2009 02:04 AM

i want an outfit that's really wild and different. all those so far in this tour seem to be a little generic. and if there's a summer single, i kind of hope it'll bring back some of the darkness that NEXT LEVEL was lacking.

jbrat2219 11th June 2009 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 1975954)
Yeah Im really in the mood for a late summer single since we didnt get any last year... And well yes, her summer singles are always amazing!

As long as it's not a typical summer single.

JackieRos 11th June 2009 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1975834)
NEWS FLASH

Ayu stops performing because fans won't shut up about "speculation."

Now there's something to complain about :irked



Come on guys, we know she sings live, we know she lip syncs. Can we please just leave it at that and not nitpick when she does or does not lip sync. It really doesn't ****ing matter O_O;

awesome post

i agree with you

TakaSama 11th June 2009 04:08 AM

Sorry about this, if you don't want to get into the discussion of lip synching, please skip this post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by noidea (Post 1975653)
Takasama is speculating and letting it sound like a fact("I know she sung live because she was out of breath") but you only mind if it doesnt make ayu seem like a goddess, do you?

Interesting that I'm getting brought into this. Actually, I know that Ayu has lipsynced in the past, and I don't deny that. HOWEVER, I know what her lipsynced songs tend to sound like, and EnergizE DID NOT sound like lipsyncing. And, unlike your assumption about me, I was watching for lip synching, because I didn't trust Ayu NOT to do it based on previously existing speculation.

More fully expounding on what I saw and heard during this song : Ayu used her cute voice, but it seemed to strain her. She would drop syllables, for example "dakara tte wake janakute" came out like "dakara __ wake janakute" because she couldn't keep up with the movement and the singing consistantly. Those syllable drops became more noticable as the song went on, and she became more out of breath. Also, the English bits of the song were louder than the rest of the singing, and therefore MAY have been lipped, but I'm tentatively attributing it to the fact that Peko/Princess were singing along.

waterballoon 11th June 2009 04:25 AM

I hope HOPE or PAIN would be replaced with SCAR. :yes

truehappiness 11th June 2009 05:12 AM

Usually the English segments of her songs [my HONEY!] are played by the manipulator or whoever is in charge of sound effects when the need arises for them to be played..

polka-dot-jewel 11th June 2009 05:28 AM

I would imagine the parts of "HONEY" would be played by the sound manager, but I would think she would sing (or lip) "put your hands up together..." *shrugs*

jbrat2219 11th June 2009 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1976373)
I hope HOPE or PAIN would be replaced with SCAR. :yes

Hecks yeah! :cool

I love SCAR!!!! One of my favorite old-school Ayu ballads lol.

ALfromHELLSING 11th June 2009 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1975834)
NEWS FLASH

Ayu stops performing because fans won't shut up about "speculation."

Now there's something to complain about :irked



Come on guys, we know she sings live, we know she lip syncs. Can we please just leave it at that and not nitpick when she does or does not lip sync. It really doesn't ****ing matter O_O;

Absolutely agree with you too. It's like there's nothing else to discuss.:headache

MissElin_ 11th June 2009 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1976373)
I hope HOPE or PAIN would be replaced with SCAR. :yes

I know right?!?! SCAR is by far the greatest ballad ever!

nemesisyume 11th June 2009 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissElin_ (Post 1976772)

I know right?!?! SCAR is by far the greatest ballad ever!


omg yah! SCAR is amazing! always loved that song!


love in music 11th June 2009 11:11 AM

i agree i really don't like HOPE or PAIN at all lol :( SCAR would be a lot better :yes

koumori 11th June 2009 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrat2219 (Post 1976676)
Hecks yeah! :cool

I love SCAR!!!! One of my favorite old-school Ayu ballads lol.

Totally agree! ^^ I love SCAR <3 Then again, I love the whole of the Duty album ^__^;

noidea 11th June 2009 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TakaSama (Post 1976351)
Sorry about this, if you don't want to get into the discussion of lip synching, please skip this post.



Interesting that I'm getting brought into this. Actually, I know that Ayu has lipsynced in the past, and I don't deny that. HOWEVER, I know what her lipsynced songs tend to sound like, and EnergizE DID NOT sound like lipsyncing. And, unlike your assumption about me, I was watching for lip synching, because I didn't trust Ayu NOT to do it based on previously existing speculation.

More fully expounding on what I saw and heard during this song : Ayu used her cute voice, but it seemed to strain her. She would drop syllables, for example "dakara tte wake janakute" came out like "dakara __ wake janakute" because she couldn't keep up with the movement and the singing consistantly. Those syllable drops became more noticable as the song went on, and she became more out of breath. Also, the English bits of the song were louder than the rest of the singing, and therefore MAY have been lipped, but I'm tentatively attributing it to the fact that Peko/Princess were singing along.

OK, the things about the syllabes, you didn't write that before, so I wasnt able to know. I thought you only said it was live because she sounded out of breath at the end. In the way you wrote it now, I think EnergizE is live, but it's still different from what some users read in japanese reviews, sure, its possible she changed, like lipping the first few concerts and singing live later(like Marionette AT08, she FORGOT her lyrics in the very first concert, but the two performances we saw were playback, so she changed that during the tour, and please, dont attack this line, it HAS been proven, simply by her using the same vocal track in both concert we saw AND the fancams)
This tour, to me, seems like her "I stop lipsynching!" tour anyway, the only 2 songs that were doubted were EnergizE and Identity, a really small amount of songs and it seems shes singing both live now.
Please notice that I never said you were lying, only that you didn't have any more or better arguments than I had, now you have and I believe you

Andrenekoi 11th June 2009 12:16 PM

^Most of the time, people say a singer is lip-synching just because he/she sang good... other times, people say it was too perfect to be live just cuz they aren't trained into music, so, he/she doesn't notice some mistakes... and sometipes people thinks it wasn't live cuz they don't know how a singer can use a backtrack or backsingers to make his/her singing soundig good... I have already seen people saying that some terrible performaces by ayu were vocally great... or how you almost can't hear ayu, but can clearly hear clearly peco and princess in some heavy coreographed parts of performaces (1Love chorus)...

there are a LOT of ways of covering mistakes on singing live, lip-synching being the most extreme.... So... it's hard to tell if she was really lip-synching or not even based on reports... if you are not following an artist that openly does it, the only way u can know if he/she is not singing live, is if the singer does what ayu did on Angel's Song... So... try not being so obsessive... @_@ in the end, it's all speculation

JackieRos 11th June 2009 02:25 PM

^took the words out of my mouth

alternarist 11th June 2009 03:22 PM

can we stop the discussion on lip sync? :)

polka-dot-jewel 11th June 2009 05:46 PM

Goodness... it seems like people are ARGUING over this.

It's like I keep saying: Ayu CHOOSES to lip-sync! She's not perfect. If she wants to lip-sync, let her do it.

zyoeru 11th June 2009 06:08 PM

For a second I thought this thread was about Ayumi's new tour. I must have been wrong. O_o

truehappiness 11th June 2009 07:01 PM

It was, but somehow lipsynching discussion keeps getting involved.

Can the mods do something about it? Hmm..

JackieRos 11th June 2009 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alternarist (Post 1977059)
can we stop the discussion on lip sync? :)

agreed

if they want to talk about it please do it
HERE

jbrat2219 11th June 2009 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furashubakku (Post 1977203)
For a second I thought this thread was about Ayumi's new tour. I must have been wrong. O_o

:roflmao

I don't know why, but that made me laugh so hard xD; Must be afternoon goofiness lol.

Ayumi_lover 12th June 2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by noidea (Post 1975886)
ask truehappiness about that, I wrote that I dont want to discuss but he/she started it and if he/she brings a new or old argument(or no argument at all) i will, of course, answer, and my answers become longer and longer because of the stupidety of the arguments and him/her wanting prove, ill put the discussion in spoilers so people not caring dont have to read or even SEE it

Spoiler:
I don't think TakaSama is lying, it's quite possible that she sung the end of the song live, but I think saying a song is ENTIRELY sung live based on THE END of the song when many other people who watched the concert say it/a part of it WAS PLAYBACK is ridiculous.
When being at a concert it actually CAN be harder to tell if it's live or playback, because of the simple facts that it's loud as hell, you can't rewatch it and you usually don't pay enough attention to ayus mouth and the sound to tell if it' live or not, the first broadcasts of the CDLs are the best way to say if something is live or not, for the tours, it doesn't make a difference if you are there or not. Playback can be hidden easier on DVD if a mistake is done(like in the two CDLs), but unless that happens, theres no difference. I am not judging playback or not depending on how good Ayu sounds afterall, but on her mouth movements, body movements, breaths(only in some cases though) and, if a head-mic is used, mic-noises. The only one of these factors that can be altered efficiently is the breath, and they don't do it that much, well, not in CDLs at least and its the least important of the factors anyway.

I can't show any evidence for playback in the case of EnergizE AT09, only japanese reports other users read and that little video that doesnt tell much...but I never said EnergizE was playback, only that the possibility is high.
For the other performances, the evidence simply is the video, lets take evolution from CDL0102, that was one of her most obvious playbacks, especially in the tv version. Ill list a few point...
1. Her voice suddenly comes out completely different in the chorus, it sounds a lot more...muffled, like it was recorded with another microphone. But that never happened for another evolution live like DT01, CDL0405, CDL0506 or PCDL(I only list concerts with TV versions so we have (nearly) untouched sound that are not in doubt to be playback) It also gives the impression shes "not in the same room" with the band, at least thats what i read from other peoples opinions about playback
2. She does NOT speak to the audience AT ALL, she does that in every evolution performance that does NOT have this "different" sound for the chorus or uses the CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708, Museum playback(these concerts use the SAME vocal track)
3. She suddenly sings way better...always in the chorus, which is like the hardest part of the song as well
4. Her mouth overexaggerates(im sorry if i wrote it wrongly) the movements and is a LITTLE off, not like permanently being 0.08 seconds lateor something, but sometimes opening a little too early/late, changing to the next syllabe to early/late or close to early/late
5. She dances in the chorus, but it has no effect on her voice, she didnt dance much back then, it should have had a HUGE effect on her voice, especially on her breathing breathing, but its better than in the other parts of the song, she doesnt struggle to get a single note
Of course, over every single of my arguments can be argued, im aware of that...but show the tv version of that performance to someone without having the background of playback and ask him what seems weird...most of them will say the chorus for sure, especially if they watched her other evolution performances


What about your messages under the spoiler I can agree but...

Spoiler:

I've read that it's known and confirmed fact she used backtrack at CDL01-02 because she was ill and didn't want to destroy show.
And about your arguments for me it's a weird mix of real and imaginary ideas. 1) Like If you checking lip synch by mic-noises from head mic: we had noises in (d)lma to MY Names Women @ AT08 but there are some people saying it lip-synch.
2)
Quote:

Her mouth overexaggerates(im sorry if i wrote it wrongly) the movements and is a LITTLE off, not like permanently being 0.08 seconds lateor something, but sometimes opening a little too early/late, changing to the next syllabe to early/late or close to early/late
THE WEIRDEST thing I EVER heard. She is dancing and can open month a bit earlier to have a slight breath, or etc. and 0.08 second it's a such funny number and ridiculous at the same time. Opening mouth a 0.08 seconds later, that's really fun. If you very trained you can notice only 0.3, but you have to be veryyyy trained

noidea 12th June 2009 12:08 PM

Spoiler:
Ayu was ill in CDL0203, not 0102, wasnt she? In CDL0102, the only parts that appear like playback or a VERY loud backtrack to me are evolution and UNITE! choruses, but I never watched CDL0203, so I cant say.

About micnoise:
I know theres micnoise in decision and mnW at AT08, I think these two are live, I havent heard it in (d)lma though. But the point is that people who actually went to the concert said that there were NO micnoises in the performances of the three songs and on the DVD they suddenly appeared, people think she later added them to make it seem more live(I still think decision and mnW were live though, and maybe a part of (d)lma)
mouth: I know 0.08 is impossible(unless you watch it in slow-mo), with that sentence i wanted to say that the audio is not off in all the file like it was in the first version of PCDL we had.
Youre of course right about her taking a breath, but i was talking about a syllabe starting slightly before her mouth forms it and similar things(you dont really notice it when you watch at normal speed, to me her mouth only seemed "weird" but i couldnt say what exactly was weird, but you notice it when watching it with slow-motion)

truehappiness 12th June 2009 07:58 PM

My profile thing to the left OVER THERE says I'm male, so can you not?

I thought we stopped discussing this ages ago.

aloopy 12th June 2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waterballoon (Post 1976373)
I hope HOPE or PAIN would be replaced with SCAR. :yes

i agree :yes
SCAR @ PCDL was amazing!! her vocals were really good in it and it made me love the song even more :heart

TeddyGrahams 12th June 2009 08:10 PM

Am I the only one that loves Hope and Pain? :( Ever since she sung that in PDCL, I'm in love with it.

truehappiness 12th June 2009 09:55 PM

HOPE or PAIN is a good song, but it's rather pale in comparison to Liar and HAPPY ENDING.

!Lawi! 12th June 2009 10:03 PM

I think HOPE or PAIN to be way better than Liar ! Happy Ending is great too, but HoP is more moving (especially the lyrics !) imo !

zyoeru 13th June 2009 12:36 AM

^^ I LOVE HOPE or PAIN. I think it's the violins! :)

majrakun 13th June 2009 12:39 AM

I really like HOPE or PAIN more than HAPPY ENDING actually, the chorus feels much stronger.

Speaking about Liar, I wonder what are the chances for us to ever see that one performed? D: Really one of her most underrated songs, right?

truehappiness 13th June 2009 01:03 AM

Probably in the coming CDL or the next tour.

zyoeru 13th June 2009 01:04 AM

^ You think so? I'd like to hear momentum at the CDL too! Even if it's just something simple in the encore! :(

Ayumiko 13th June 2009 01:29 AM

I would love to see ayu perform daybreak again..such a great song!

maikaru 13th June 2009 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1978707)
HOPE or PAIN is a good song, but it's rather pale in comparison to Liar and HAPPY ENDING.

I dont think she will sing Happy Ending anytime soon..
It requires REALLY soft vocals, and then the high pitches in the chorus..
I dont think she can do that right now.. T_T

truehappiness 13th June 2009 02:58 AM

Well, she already had it as a concert opener. Generally concert openers are doomed after the tour that features them [HAPPY ENDING, Born To Be.., t2m, Rule]

waterballoon 13th June 2009 04:23 AM

^ Hahaha. I think HOPE or PAIN is a really beautiful song, but my favorite of the "hated trio" in MY STORY is Liar... ^^


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