^You don't understand. Britney doesn't write her lyrics. ayu does. The lyrics are a aprt of music and they HAVE to fit what the composition and arrangements are, so you have to connect them in order for it to work, meaning you actually have to take a part on the production, even if you do pick the arrangements and everything ready. I'm surprised that you disregard lyrics as part of a song, since they play a major role for music that has vocals. Otherwise people would prefer ayu just for her instrumental tracks. It's different in the case of Britney in which she just already gets a song fully produced with arrangemnts, composition and lyrics that fit and she just has to sing and perform them. It surprises me that you don't really know that that's quite different. ayu does write her lyrics and she doesn't just write lame lyrics, she portrays messages with them, and for that she also has to work in a way that the lyrics will fit the arrangements+composition and the combination of the 3 is not just a copy and paste work, otherwise the timing and the keys and everything else would all be off. That's part of the production, and ayu does take a role on it.

You don't need to explain me that other people do the work of arrangemnt and composition for ayu (which you also don't understand, regardless of her team -and i call it her team because they're hired by avex and they''ve been mainly engaged in rpoducing songs for ayu recently rather than to other artists- being paid to do that, they're still always the same people who have to rpoduce severla songs every single year and no matter how much money is paid, creativity, inspiration and ideas aren't money dependent, unless you need new expensive equipment every time in order to be able to do that - like people doing advanced scientific researches, which is not the case of producing music since her composers/ arrangers already have the instruments they need to do it). She doesn't have a completely passive role in the making of her music, which make your statement wrong.

Also, the only periods I rember ayu saying she just a chose pre-produed songs among severla was in two periods of her career: A song for XX, in which she was brand new and she was presented to choose the compositions made by them and the second one was when she picked compositions from GEO to create some of her (miss)understood tracks, because she had lsitened to his tape. And even if you have the source implying that she does it to every single of her songs, she still has to work in producing the lyrics to FIT into those compositions, which means WORK so she does take part in the production of all of her music (minus vover songs which are like only 2-3 in her entire discography?), regardless of whatever is it you try to imply. ;)

Also, ayu has composed a few songs before, so she's not just a "Pop idol" ;)


I'm a Britney fan as well, btw.

Vocabulary Lesson Time

Musician : Someone who writes, performs, or makes music.
- An instrumentalist plays a musical instrument.
- A singer is a vocalist.
- Composers, songwriters and arrangers create musical compositions, songs and arrangements. These may be transcribed in music notation, performed or recorded.
- A conductor leads a musical ensemble. A conductor can simultaneously act as an instrumentalist in the ensemble.
- A recording artist creates recorded music, such as CDs and MP3 files.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician

hmmm you know what, guys? this just crossed my mind, I'm myself am an "art child" and let me tell ya, it's not always like you create stuff and people go "O_O AWESOME, you just blew my brain".. IT'S HARD, very hard! Strong nspiration is something what you can't buy for a few bucks, it comes and goes just like a wind and random inspiring things doesn't always bring you genuine ideas, you need to be patient for THAT DAY to come...:yes

sorry for bringing that dude here again, but believe me even Gackt being as multitalented as he is don't always make awesome songs. :innocent

It's pretty much impossible to love every single song from the artist. And true that when you get used to the sound/artists style, it's hard to kick you with anything new.

sorry, I guess it doesn't make much sence..lol

Writing lyrics is completely separate from the actual composing of the music. Yes it is important, but its completely different than the actual making of the music which ayu doesn't really take hand in which is what I was talking about in the first place. And anyone can write lyrics to a pre-made track. I could take the instrumental for CAROLS and write a completely original song with the melody, that doesn't mean I took part in the production of the song in any way just that I wrote lyrics. Beside not all music has to have lyrics, just look at her interlude tracks or even classical music in general, they don't have lyrics and that is just fine.

Most of the people she uses are already signed to avex trax (probably to cut down the production costs) so they're probably assigned to work with Ayu but I don't work there so I wouldn't know how they run things. Either way it doesn't really matter since that's not what we're even talking about.

She mentions all the time having songs given to her and picking from the litter. ASFXX is a given since it was her first album but she mentions it all the time! Just go read some of the beatfreak articles and you'll see. Even recently she mentioned on twitter how Tetsuya Komuro had made crossroads for her and then went back and changed the arrangement. So it's not like it was only during ASFXX and (m)u that she was given tracks and picked the ones she wanted. She's done it for her entire career most japanese singer do and there is nothing wrong with that.

LOL you're messing things up.

You can have instrumental and classical music, yeah. You don't need lyrics in order to make an instrumental song. Those songs generallyhave arrangemnts and compositions in which the instruments will suffice the existance of vocals, and sometimes it may even be weird to try inserting vocals into them becuase of the way they have eben worked. ayu's discography is not amde of interludes, instrumental tracks or classical music. Her songs actually become rather empty if you just play most of the single instrumental tracks.

However, in order to produce vocal musical you need the lyrics. It's just how not every music has to have instrumental arrangements (ever heard of accapella?) now, will you say instrumentally arranging a song is also not a part of making a song just because you can make songs without instrumental arrangements? huh?

And to insert the lyrics into a pre-produced track, you need to make them fit, and it's annoying how I have to keep on rpeating this. And to make them fit you have to closely work your lyrics WITH the composition, which is PRODUCING. On Cherry Dynamite's posts it makes it already clear that songwriting is part of a musician's job, which is producing a song, so...

If you say it's really a simple job, than I dare you write your own lyrics for CAROLS right now, make them fit on it without it sounding a complete clash and laughable mess and post it right here with someone singing it, and then tell me that it was a completely simple job as you just completely disregard ayu in that aspect. Also, do make sure your lyrics not only are on key with the music but that they also have the poetry put as well;)

I disagree with you and think her music is getting better and better [2]

Although I agree that her recent trilogy singles may not have the same sound or even the same feelings as her music back in the day, you can not deny that she definitely took influence from her previous works. Even with the majority of the tracks on RnRC, you could connect them to any number of her old stuff and say, "Hey that kind of reminds me of ____." Whether it be the lyrics, composition, arrangement whatever. She kind of added that old-school flavor which is what she said she was going to do. So Ayu has not failed in that regard. Whether or not fans like it is totally different.

I absolutely agree that nostalgia plays a giant role in some fans' behavior towards her new versus old music. I'm a strong believer in the fact that some people like songs more just because they were first. Not just with Ayu, but with anything. Some people just don't accept change well, and like you said, her music is not the same. And if we were to have her eras reversed, I guarantee you some people would be complaining about how boring teddy bear, Hanabi etc. are and how they want another Sparkle. And now childish Trauma sounds versus how mature Last Angel is (etc. etc etc). That's just the nature of the beast. People just can't adapt to change very well sometimes.


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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn ImpactBreaker xD;

I totally agree, to say Ayu is just "another Jpop Idol" is an insult in my opinion. to deny her credit in the production of her music is to deny her the right to be called "an music artist." Nothing gets released without her say, that means she has a hand in producing her music. If she says, "I don't like this sound, let's change the arrangement" or, "what if we change this note to match this lyric" or, "I like the composition but let's change the pitch a little bit" or even after the entire production is finished and she says, "I don't like the way this turned out let's do it again." All of that means she has a hand in her production and that power has been growing and growing over the years. To think Ayu has no control over the way her music is produced outside of writing a few words down so she can sing something is laughable.

Ayumi choice her melodies from a lot her producers send her, after that, she makes her monkey slaves work this melody so it fits her taste... If this is not being involved with the production of the song, I don't know what it is...

And I hate when people goes like "oh, I hate everything Ayu is releasing, I think she lost her touch", and you ask what period of her music that person is hating and the answer is "3 months"... I mean... REALLY? U HATE EVERYTHING SHE DID FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE SINGLES AND SHE IS LOSING HER TOUCH? Spoiled stupid kid x_x

I think the same about this 48-49-50 singles thing... people act like she is just releasing ballads since 2003, while she did it for just 3 singles... Even saying she is like Celine Dion is kinda bizarre cuz while ballads makes 80% of Celine's concerts setlists and 100% of her singles, ballads aren't even 50% of Ayu concerts... I just can't get how people can go and make statments about her whole career at her point based on just a few singles...

^lol when the ayu fans get bored they get ravenous~


@jbrat: Oh I'm not disagreeing with that. I agree they have an older influenced sound, but they are still quite different.

I think it depends WHEN you started listening (and TO WHAT)

I "grew" with many Ayu music that was realesed time ago. I was listening to Asfxx, Duty, LA, I am..., Rainbow and MA at the same time. When I 'meet' Ayu, i havent even a folders with albums! I just got her songs in ONE folder, and they were so diffrent (maybe except Asfxx) but i always loved more these songs that was truly kickin' heart. Not YOU, not Seasons, not forgiveness. There was only TWO, MAYBE THREE ballads, i was truly listening to, because some of them was very in the same style. But from Asfxx to RAINBOW (I started listening to Ayu when MA was just realising, and i didn't even knew it existed) there was like a world to compare, like something or don't. I can't say I hate any of her song (Oh, maybe Guilty. ;d) because when I meet her music, everything seemed SO NEW and so CREATIVE. After many albums back then, I am just very tired of songs that's in same scheme. I meet her when I had SO MANY kickin' songs that made my mind blow away. Evolution, even frikin' fly high! Now i grew with everything, and I miss this. Maybe i just get old? And I am not losing interest with her. I always have goosebumps when something is leaked, but next it does nothing. No heart beating like crazy. They are just ok. Even I love Last angel, it's still not the same feeling.

My favourite one recently was someone saying, "I'm so dissapointed, I've not really loved a song since Microphone! I don't like her new work" as if that was some long gone part of History. I think loving Microphone shows satisfaction with her current work.

As for my opinion on this matter, I have more older songs I love than newer, but I don't dislike her newer work. I like crossroad, for example, a LOT more than some songs from say, Duty or I am... To say it's Ayu's fault that her old work is silly, because it's my opinion juding that song.

A couple things:

Fool, you don't need voices or instruments to make music. Crickets make music by rubbing their wings together, they use neither instruments or voices but wings.

1. We were talking about the making of actual music not producing tracks because anyone can get a producer credit on an album it doesn't mean anything like how Max Matsuura is credited on every album.

2. You're over complicating what I said which was anyone can write lyrics to pre-recorded music whether I do it or Ayu does it doesn't change the fact that the backing music track was given to her and she didn't create it herself just like what I said before because you obviously didn't get it the first 3 times.

3. Dictionary definition: Musician - a person who plays or composes music, esp as a profession. Key words being composes and/or plays. Ayu is a lyricists: she writes lyrics. She neither plays an instrument or composes music so she's not a musician. She's a singer, a pop idol, but not a musician.

Pffft.......like I'm really gonna waste my time on that pointless ******** since Ayu already did it when she took Tomoya Kinoshita's track and wrote lyrics for it and then recorded her self singing said lyrics over the music.

By the way... Britney is involved in writing the lyrics and music from time to time. You can see it in the credits for her songs.

:laugh




...Koda writes all her own lyrics...:paperbag


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hsienko, I think all that Impact is trying to emphasize is that it's not such a simple process for Ayu and that she is involved with it a greater deal than the way you've laid it out, almost disrespectfully towards Ayu even.

U might not know this since you join on 2007, but ayu does compose music though it was a long time ago...

*edit : oh wait... u know about crea... so why are you still saying she's not a musician?

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@hsienko
On At07 documentary there is a part where is shows the band finishing glitter's arrangment, and Ayu saying what she wants, how she wants and how should the song sound in her opinion...

Besides... she composed or co-composed most of I am... and RAINBOW and some other tracks after it...

Sorry, but she is not just picking the music... she is also working with her producers so it will sound the way she wants... "longer bridge", "more beats here", "can u change this and this notes on the chorus?"... This is being involved with the process... U r acting like she just received a finished piece of music today and add some lyrics to it in order to record it tomorrow... And she doesn't work like that...

^Also Ayu has mention she still has a couple of times but ends up not picking her own compositions.

And you're over-simplifying the process of adding lyrics to a composition! Every single syllable is often times not laid out in a composition. Chords are usually created first, and then melody is built from that process. If Ayu needs to add a syllable to include the lyrics she wants, she has to add/remove notes in order for the song to work. It's not much, but it's definitely direct involvement in the production of her MUSIC.

Second of all, she HAS composed several songs already so.. I don't know where you're going calling her merely a pop idol. I agree that she is a pop idol, but she also easily fits under the singer-songwriter category.

Most musicians are NOT like Michael Jackson. He saw music in shapes and colors, paid close attention to EVERY SINGLE nuance. We're not entirely sure of how much control Ayu has over her arrangements, but she knows her arrangers tendancies and I think she knows which arranger is perfect for a specific melody.

I knew she wrote most, but all? Really? That's cool, I didn't know that. :)

On-topic:

AYU HAS COMPOSED MUSIC! She just doesn't do it all the time. So is she only half a musician or not at all? The definition isn't so black and white. Plus, if Ayu were in a band, and someone in the band writes the music and Ayu writes the lyrics is she any LESS apart of the production just because another member is responsible for the composition or arrangement or whatever? All of the parts make a whole, you can have music without certain parts but for the kind of music Ayu makes, she's very much apart of it. Her lyrics were how she became famous, so obviously what she does takes some talent.