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~X2RADialbomber~ 18th March 2007 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DerrickRocks (Post 1044173)
ha ha ai otsuka flopped she was an baka to put Ai am Best out without any type of promotion. A-BEST 2 is not a flop why do people keep saying that? even though im not an ayu- fanatic its still wrong to say that. I mean 2 albums at the same time is kind of retarded alone it would have hit at least 2 mill i think.

Hahahahahaahahaha Koda Kumi is flopping too!! HAHAHAHAHAHA :rolleyes

I do not believe at all that A BEST 2 is a total failure. Ayu did a great job at selling so many copies of this album! At least it's ranked up there as one of the highest selling albums of the year.

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2007 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044176)
Yeah A BEST 2 is such a total failure. I mean, 1.1 million cds sold is so bad.

*sarcasm*

Well, it is a HUGE failure. It highly doubt 1 million people bought the album. The truth is, 500,000 fanatics bought both versions, so yeah, it is a total failure for something that is supposed to be a BEST album. Also, what else justify the sudden drop from #1 to #12 in a week? If that's not a pathetic failure, I'm really not sure what it should be called. :laugh Succesful? Definitely NOT! :roflmao I wonder why you fans need to be so defensive to defend something that clearly flopped miserably. I'm not talking about the fact avex received the income for 1.1 million albums, but how ayu's fanbase has grown so shorter for even a BEST album to sell so little (again I reinforce how probably only about 500,000 fans have acquired this album, and i'm not even considering the hardcore fans who bought all 4 version, if they're included, these numbers are a lot smaller). I'm so sorry for ayu :no

evolution7931 18th March 2007 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ~X2RADialbomber~ (Post 1044200)
Hahahahahaahahaha Koda Kumi is flopping too!! HAHAHAHAHAHA :rolleyes

I do not believe at all that A BEST 2 is a total failure. Ayu did a great job at selling so many copies of this album! At least it's ranked up there as one of the highest selling albums of the year.

I know. A total failure would have been more like stooping to BoA's current level, or Namie's. Just kidding. Those no even way less than Ayu's current level and they're far from being complete failures. So neither is Ayu's.

Just because A BEST 2 didn't sell 1 million copies each already does NOT make it a complete failure.

So what if it dropped in 2 weeks? Who the hell cares. They're both #1 albums. I'd just like to point out that most artists cant even get #1.

You use those words too freely, impactbreaker. "Pathetic failure" .. That's so rude

If you say that selling over 500 000 in 2 weeks is a pathetic failure, I guess that also means that Ami Suzuki, BoA, Namie, and of course Ayu are all pathetic failures. That's nice then.

~X2RADialbomber~ 18th March 2007 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044218)
I know. A total failure would have been more like stooping to BoA's current level, or Namie's. Just kidding. Those no even way less than Ayu's current level and they're far from being complete failures. So neither is Ayu's.

Just because A BEST 2 didn't sell 1 million copies each already does NOT make it a complete failure.

So what if it dropped in 2 weeks? Who the hell cares. They're both #1 albums. I'd just like to point out that most artists cant even get #1.

You use those words too freely, impactbreaker. "Pathetic failure" .. That's so rude

Gosh, I agree .___.

Though some people do take the charting positions tooooooo freakishly. Like on Wikipedia, everyday someone trys to change the charts to make it that all her albums were Number 1!

evolution7931 18th March 2007 04:09 AM

Yeah. Like omfg ONLY half a million people bought A BEST 2 ;_; Why doesnt ayu just go get the lethal injection now ;_;:@

She only gained billions upon billions of yen for avex since the production costs were so low for this album.. NOT TRILLIONS LIKE SHE SHOULD HAVE.. BOO AYU DIE

Tell me impactbreaker, what are your standards for an album to NOT be a pathetic failure? Having each A BEST 2 album selling 2 million each? Sorry but 2001 is over.

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2007 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044218)
If you say that selling over 500 000 in 2 weeks is a pathetic failure, I guess that also means that Ami Suzuki, BoA, Namie, and of course Ayu are all pathetic failures. That's nice then.

BoA and Ami Suzuki have never been anywhere close to ayu in terms of popularity and sales, so if ayu is reaching them, it makes me think ayu is doing badly.

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044222)
Yeah. Like omfg ONLY half a million people bought A BEST 2 ;_; Why doesnt ayu just go get the lethal injection now ;_;:@

She only gained billions upon billions of yen for avex since the production costs were so low for this album.. NOT TRILLIONS LIKE SHE SHOULD HAVE.. BOO AYU DIE

Tell me impactbreaker, what are your standards for an album to NOT be a pathetic failure? Having each A BEST 2 album selling 2 million each? Sorry but 2001 is over.

Geez, the fact this album was a pathetic failure and flop in my opinion, doesn't mean you need to satirize with "pathetic" examples. I never said she needed to get a lethal injection or quit or whatever, so drop your ayu-fanboying because I'm also a huge fan of ayu. These A BESt 2 sales are shameful, and avex should have released this album as a double CD instead, just like most artists do. Content is too buig? Double CD. Avex was pathetic in dividing this release. I bet several people feel turned off into buying this album because they feel quite divided about some of the BLACK and WHITE songs and just decide not to waste their money. Bad move.

evolution7931 18th March 2007 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1044223)
BoA and Ami Suzuki have never been anywhere close to ayu in terms of popularity and sales, so if ayu is reaching them, it makes me think ayu is doing badly.

Sorry to break the news but yes Ami Suzuki has been as popular as Ayu in terms of sales.

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2007 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044226)
Sorry to break the news but yes Ami Suzuki has been as popular as Ayu in terms of sales.

What is ami Suzuki now? If you think ayu is really going well being as succesful as Ami Suzuki is right now, then sorry, flop was a good choice of a word.

evolution7931 18th March 2007 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1044231)
What is ami Suzuki now? If you think ayu is really going well being as succesful as Ami Suzuki is right now, then sorry, flop was a good choice of a word.

Wtf? I'm sorry but maybe if you wrote properly I could understand.

Besides it has nothing to do with her. It's Ayu.

Tell me what A BEST 2 would have had to have sold to not be a pathetic failure. Go on, humor me.

..:Hot:Like:Wow:.. 18th March 2007 04:45 AM

haha, the album was not a flop, most artists can't even sell what 1 of her bests can sell in the first week.

Look a Best Bounce & Lovers, now thats a flop.

evolution7931 18th March 2007 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingofpop (Post 1044242)
haha, the album was not a flop, most artists can't even sell what 1 of her bests can sell in the first week.

Look a Best Bounce & Lovers, now thats a flop.

Exactly! Thank you!

Kikaru 18th March 2007 05:27 AM

Well, Bounce&Loves is limited to 350K, so it's not going to be that successful.

For A Best 2, I'm not going to say it's a success, because it's not completely, but I don't think it's a total flop either. I think the use of the words "pathetic failure" is a little too extreme. It's not like it's only 50K by its first weeks.

And to be honest, I'm not sure about Ai am Best. Since Ai's discography is pretty small, leaving out 4 singles is a pretty big deal, and I still think avex made a mistake putting love music instead of Haneari Tamago or friends, and for a best album, the pre-order charting is not that good.

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2007 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044232)
Wtf? I'm sorry but maybe if you wrote properly I could understand.

Besides it has nothing to do with her. It's Ayu.

Tell me what A BEST 2 would have had to have sold to not be a pathetic failure. Go on, humor me.

Huh? You're the one who brought Ami Suzuki and BoA into the discussion and tell me it has nothing to do with her(Ami suzuki)? LOL Don't bring them into discussion next time if you're going to contradict yourself later.
Guy, get over it. To me this album was a failure. You can live up to think that these were fantastic sales, because they weren't in my opinion, and you won't convice me otherwise, no matter how much excuses are invented about BoA this, Ami Suzuki that, namie amuro this, whatever. I think you're getting too annoyed by the fact I have such a rough opinion about these sales. C'mon, calling this a pathetic failure is being rude? Oh My God, I'm being rude to an ayu album! A CD with a plastic case and booklet, oh no, I'm being rude to an object! What a crime. Sorry but this is getting out of hand.

evolution7931 18th March 2007 05:37 AM

That's nice. I'd just like to know your definition of what success would be for this album.

ayu_fan929 18th March 2007 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044218)
So what if it dropped in 2 weeks? Who the hell cares. They're both #1 albums.

Technically, only -WHITE- is the #1 album.

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Originally Posted by Kikaru (Post 1044260)
For A Best 2, I'm not going to say it's a success, because it's not completely, but I don't think it's a total flop either. I think the use of the words "pathetic failure" is a little too extreme. It's not like it's only 50K by its first weeks.

Same. If it manages to sell 800k, it will be decent. (Nothing to go crazy about imo.)

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Originally Posted by Kingofpop (Post 1044242)
Look a Best Bounce & Lovers, now thats a flop.

Considering how it's her 3rd BEST and it's limited to 350k, if the album manages to sell like 200k, I don't think it will be a flop.

evolution7931 18th March 2007 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ayu_fan929 (Post 1044266)
Technically, only -WHITE- is the #1 album.


Considering how it's her 3rd BEST and it's limited to 350k, if the album manages to sell like 200k, I don't think it will be a flop.

Sorry then, they're both #1 and #2 albums? Not that different

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2007 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1044264)
That's nice. I'd just like to know your definition of what success would be for this album.

Being able to keep on a solid position, with little variation, instead of ridiculously dropping several positions in the second week could be a sign.

ayu_fan929 18th March 2007 05:47 AM

I'll have to admit the 2nd week sales were a lot lower than what I expected. 'Secret' debuted with a lower 1st week but its' 2nd week sales managed to outsell A BEST 2's 2nd week sales...

Ayumiko 18th March 2007 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1044268)
Being able to keep on a solid position, with little variation, instead of ridiculously dropping several positions in the second week could be a sign.

second week position is just one position down....exile took the #1 spot.
white: 1 to 2 black 2 to 3. (If you just look at the first post carefully, that #12 spot is for world united chart)



Looking based on the daily indicators, Im very surprised b&l and but/ashio sold so low even though they are limited. Shouldnt the sales be closer to the limited number than it is now? since knowing that they are limited...fans would try to get it before they think will run out right? For someone like kumi who is one of the popular female artists right now still sell so low and so far not at the middle point of the limited number?

ayu_fan929 18th March 2007 06:03 AM

Well for the single, I seriously don't think people knew it was limited. (It's not like it's mentioned in the CM's or anything).


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