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Welurru 18th June 2016 03:07 PM

M(A)DE IN 30 MINUTES

Andrenekoi 18th June 2016 03:07 PM

I love when people who complains about lack of creativity uses really safe and in-trend stuff as a basis of comparation...

spanishfan 18th June 2016 03:34 PM

I'm not surprised about the (bad) reactions in this forum, where some people think Last Minute PV is also a bad PV, being one of her best in her whole videography.

Why a low budget is bad? Why a fast execution is bad? What makes something good or bad is the idea behind it. (And by "idea" i mean also how to execute that idea and everything else about the creative process)

Also the comparision with Hikari's PV is a lol

Mari-chan 18th June 2016 04:00 PM

Ok... so than can someone tell me, where I can watch the Videos? I can't watch the Youtube-Videos because of GEMA.

Andrenekoi 18th June 2016 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mari-chan (Post 3204089)
Ok... so than can someone tell me, where I can watch the Videos? I can't watch the Youtube-Videos because of GEMA.

http://ahsforum.com/forum/showpost.p...&postcount=139

:3

Mari-chan 18th June 2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3204090)

Ah.. Thanks. ^_^

a❤martian 18th June 2016 06:48 PM

Really love the songs, and the PVs don't seem too cheap or anything to me. The only thing is that I just feel like Ayu way over does the dramatics. Like, she knows we love her for being raw and emotional, but I feel like now she's doing it just to please us, not from a genuine place like it used to be. I appreciate the effort, but it takes something away for me.

truehappiness 18th June 2016 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spanishfan (Post 3204086)
I'm not surprised about the (bad) reactions in this forum, where some people think Last Minute PV is also a bad PV, being one of her best in her whole videography.

Why a low budget is bad? Why a fast execution is bad? What makes something good or bad is the idea behind it. (And by "idea" i mean also how to execute that idea and everything else about the creative process)

Also the comparision with Hikari's PV is a lol

They did Summer diary's PV filming iirc in like a single day, lol. Like 20 hours from morning to night?

I don't think she's taken 2 days for a shoot since probably FIVE.

Honestly, I'm glad Ayu still has a lot of her older fans but at the same time, I feel that many of them are sort of stuck and refuse to acknowledge Ayu as she is now, instead holding onto what they felt was her at her best even if it was more than a dozen years ago. My biggest frustration is that every release no matter what she does, it's the same people saying the same things every goddamn time. Like nothing will satisfy because in their heads they have this ideal Ayu that doesn't exist anymore because Ayu is ever changing.

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Originally Posted by a❤martian (Post 3204101)
Really love the songs, and the PVs don't seem too cheap or anything to me. The only thing is that I just feel like Ayu way over does the dramatics. Like, she knows we love her for being raw and emotional, but I feel like now she's doing it just to please us, not from a genuine place like it used to be. I appreciate the effort, but it takes something away for me.

I believe it's the opposite. She used to pretty much do things to please fans or try to one up herself but nowadays she's being more honest with her works, mainly since say, 2015.

kotora 18th June 2016 08:10 PM

I am glad those major music review websites do not hire any complainer from here to do music reviews. Otherwise the website can be down within few days.

obviously, these people have their opinions, but sorry ayumi hamasaki or any other performer in the world do not produce music, do music videos just for you.

I love both PVs, especially Mad World. It Reminds me her old stuff!

Next_Level29 18th June 2016 08:24 PM

i dont get it, why does it look cheap? because of simplicity or what? ...

truehappiness 18th June 2016 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Next_Level29 (Post 3204108)
i dont get it, why does it look cheap? because of simplicity or what? ...

It doesn't look like PVs from the 2000s, basically.

Next_Level29 18th June 2016 08:40 PM

we need definitely to pull ourselves together. This ain't correct, at all .

truehappiness 18th June 2016 08:55 PM

I think the last time she made super grand PV in the style of the PVs from that MY STORY/(m)u era was probably FIVE. And since then, she's been slowly trying to rediscover herself. I mean, yeah, she attempted some on Party Queen but I'd say she was trying a bit too hard to push out videos in that era. Similarly, LOVE again had some odd videos for Ayu especially all that DV during the 'new trilogy'. So many videos that were made... while she looked amazing, I wonder if she has a lot of regret in making You & Me / Wake me up / snowy kiss.

Andrenekoi 18th June 2016 11:54 PM

^This is just you projecting something you didn't like into something "Ayu regreats". We have no way to know what she enjoyed and didn't enjoy producing, and her interviews are most likely planed to please her fandom.

truehappiness 19th June 2016 12:13 AM

Oh, I thought they were okay since she looked great in most of them (but not fitting for the songs at all), but I was just curious if she regrets making those due to all the Maro in that trilogy. We have no idea and will never know, but I can still wonder, can't I?

I believe that during 2012-2014, she had lost direction as far as what she wanted to do for albums when it came to imagery and so on. And since A ONE we've at least had rough ideas of what she really wants to do in PVs aside from maybe Sayonara.

kotora 19th June 2016 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3204109)
It doesn't look like PVs from the 2000s, basically.

LMAO!!!!!!!! Haters want to have every single PV with Fairyland that budget.

Zeke. 19th June 2016 03:21 AM

^ "Haters" is not the right word to use in this context. Those that are usually displeased with ayu tend to be those who believe she is capable of more, and is falling short of reaching her highest potential. That's anything but a "hater."

truehappiness 19th June 2016 03:24 AM

There is a fine line between love and hate.

kotora 19th June 2016 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3204156)
^ "Haters" is not the right word to use in this context. Those that are usually displeased with ayu tend to be those who believe she is capable of more, and is falling short of reaching her highest potential. That's anything but a "hater."

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 3204157)
There is a fine line between love and hate.

True, I should use the word "complainer" instead.

Andrenekoi 19th June 2016 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke. (Post 3204156)
^ "Haters" is not the right word to use in this context. Those that are usually displeased with ayu tend to be those who believe she is capable of more, and is falling short of reaching her highest potential. That's anything but a "hater."

The thing is, "the highest potentianl" on her case is also something highly subjective. As Coelacanth said, her fanbase is very diverse and people are atracted towards her because of different aspects. For example: For some people she is at her best when she is releasing the pop anthem of the decade, for some people she is at her best when she is touching complicated social issues with her lyrics. She can't do both at the highest level at the same time. Some people like her best when she is working her signature sound, some people like her best when she is experiementing all the way, she also can't do both at the same time, etc.


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