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Yagami Raito 8th August 2019 09:48 AM

Regarding A song for xx
I guess that the lyrics are not about Max but maybe she wanted to let him know through this song how she was feeling alone and anxious towards her future.

hidekirby 8th August 2019 01:47 PM

I've always read A Song for XX was a message to her mother. "XX" being her mother.

ExodusUK 8th August 2019 05:18 PM

She's already said the XX is universal and is addressed to no one in particular.

Chibi-Chan 8th August 2019 05:28 PM

^she actually said it is about her mother. She revealed it a few years ago, but that she chose to use xx so that for others it can be universal, if I remember correctly. But A Song for xx being about her mother makes a lot of sense, since the person she is talking about praised her for being a strong child and in A Song for xx she is talking from the perspective of a child/teen a lot also.

hud 8th August 2019 06:02 PM

she said in 2010 that Virgin Road and A Song for xx are for her mother.

SunshineSlayer 8th August 2019 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by orbitalaspect (Post 3304779)
Unfortunately, people, Ayu is a Japanese artist, not an American or European artist. And I know this is a lot to swallow, because diversity is only skin deep in the West, but Japan has a culture, that culture has certain traditions, one of those traditions is to not be the reason others gossip. So, arguing that this is perfectly normal for you and thereby perfectly normal in the context of Ayu is honestly shameful and ignorant.

We can all agree that relative to our own cultures, a lot of norms in other cultures seem completely nonsensical. But cultural relativism is racism. We're talking about Japan and Japanese culture. We're not talking about how much Japanese culture should approach this situation the way our cultures would approach it.

As someone who lived in Japan 8 years of their life.......errrr I disagree with this. I understand where you are coming from and your points, but tell all books are not out of the ordinary in Japan. For example, there were a number of explosive tell alls from former Johnny's members that describe rapes within the company and drug problems. As with many things, Japan has a double standard about this kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by orbitalaspect (Post 3304799)
It's pretty disappointing that Kuu can bring up expiring amniotic fluid and spend 20 years wearing lingerie on stage, and people think she's an icon, but Ayu can't get her personal live together enough to stop feeding the tabloid trolls every year.

I think you and Chibi are both being a little over the top and actually the ones who are over generalizing a culture. But that's neither here nor there. I just wanted to highlight this statement because Kuu is really not considered an icon in Japan. I like Kuu, don't get me wrong, but she has long been considered fairly irrelevant. And stating something like that makes me wonder if you really have a grasp on the pulse of the culture in Japan.

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3304829)
^That playlist is avaliable on Spotfy too.

I just don't know if those are the songs written about him, or the songs mentioned on the book being them about him or not.

^ It's just the songs released while they were together I think. Not all of them are actually about him. M was their breakup song and came out in December of 2000. So they were together behind the scenes from 97-2000. She started dating Nagase in 2001.

Chibi-Chan 8th August 2019 07:09 PM

^but this book isn't a tell all book about serious issues of the industry, but gossip someone wrote a novel about. I don't think this book can be compared to the books former Johnny's members released. Since there is a big difference between someone writing a book about rape and drugs in the idol industry and Ayu allowing someone to use old gossip about her love life as the basis for his novel, I don't think there is a double standard involved here.

Aderianu 8th August 2019 10:36 PM

There were sold 38 000 copies of this book. So far it's on the first place at the Oricon chart
https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2141952/

Didn't know oricon also counting book sales

Yagami Raito 9th August 2019 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3304943)
There were sold 38 000 copies of this book. So far it's on the first place at the Oricon chart
https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2141952/

Didn't know oricon also counting book sales

It's selling like hot cakes!
It also got the first place at some point on Amazon and Rakuten Books...

Amazon


Rakuten

aliceshields 9th August 2019 05:50 AM

Out of print (CDJapan)

Corvina 9th August 2019 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3304943)
There were sold 38 000 copies of this book. So far it's on the first place at the Oricon chart
https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2141952/

Didn't know oricon also counting book sales

It's #1 in its genre, #2 in the general book ranking.

https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ob/w/2019-08-12/

DonkeyKongRemix 9th August 2019 07:57 AM

I still don't know the extent of Ayu's role in the creation of this book. All I know is that no matter where she comes from, Ayu doesn't have to answer to anyone in this life about this. This is about a time in her life when she took a certain man very seriously, a man who changed her life. She has always been very candid about her personal life through her lyrics, including her woes and happiness. Why is this any worse? If she's ok with this kind of publicity, more power to her. I believe Ayu's life is a story worth telling.

She shouldn't have to be ashamed of her life just because some people can't handle the ugly truths about it. Sometimes people live in very dark, complicated seasons of their lives. Are we to insist that people have to sweep their dirt under the rugs just to hide it from onlookers?

I really want this book to be translated so I can read it. I feel like Ayu has shown us her life as a puzzle, each song adding to the number of pieces. This book, though possibly not entirely reliable, gives us a chance to see more puzzle pieces. I always find myself wanting to know more maybe because I am just that nosy or maybe because I'm concerned.

I'm really wondering how this whole thing is going to effect the fandom on this forum. Is this the kind of "scandal" that pushes fans completely over the edge to the point where they're just done? I'm really asking out of curiosity.

KittyKathy 9th August 2019 01:17 PM

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the song Who... is about Max.

jiarongisme 9th August 2019 02:38 PM

^ No, it was for her grandmother.

aliceshields 9th August 2019 02:54 PM

Alright, I found these while I searching for A Song for XX ☕️

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98881

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34919

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92145


Little story (or history) on how she became Hamasaki Ayumi...
https://ayumihamasaki.fandom.com/wiki/Hamasaki_Ayumi

waterballoon 9th August 2019 04:13 PM

get that dough gurl

DonkeyKongRemix 9th August 2019 10:13 PM

So, I had a realization that I'm sure has either already been thought of or said here, but I'm starting to think that her bizarrely long tour for TROUBLE may not be promotion for the mini album but rather promotion for this book.

It would make more sense this way, possibly.

Andrenekoi 9th August 2019 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nalini-dahlia (Post 3304993)
So, I had a realization that I'm sure has either already been thought of or said here, but I'm starting to think that her bizarrely long tour for TROUBLE may not be promotion for the mini album but rather promotion for this book.

It would make more sense this way, possibly.

They clearly we planning that for a while now... Max posted the photo of the book cover on his insta. That TROUBLE cover where he grabs her boob. The playlist with the songs mentioned on the book appearing out of nowhere...

The way it's being promoted even resembles the TROUBLE promo.

DonkeyKongRemix 9th August 2019 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3304996)
They clearly we planning that for a while now... Max posted the photo of the book cover on his insta. That TROUBLE cover where he grabs her boob. The playlist with the songs mentioned on the book appearing out of nowhere...

The way it's being promoted even resembles the TROUBLE promo.


I just wonder if this will injure him at all. This is a freaky way to celebrate 20 years of stardom!!

Andrenekoi 9th August 2019 11:10 PM

Well, he is on it too... So he at least agreeded to take the risk


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