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Uemarasan 21st June 2010 07:59 PM

Ayu's Fish Lips = Ahiru-guchi
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned here before, but why do people still keep on insisting on calling it that? I'll admit, I think calling it "fish lips" is old and lame and is way past its expiration date. It's a real Japanese phenomenon with an actual name:

"Ahiru-guchi -- 'duck mouth' -- is a term used in Japan to describe a special lip formation said to be a common trait for beautiful women and men. Much like a common mallard, the perfect duck mouth has lips that jut out a bit from the face and purse slightly to create an adorable pouty look. Usually the lips' protruding is caused by 'yaeba' double teeth -- the cutesy dental malformation that idols must have to become popular.

Although the term ahiru-guchi has been popular for some time, the Internet has been particularly excited about the look in recent days. The image collection page on Naver for ahiru-guchi offers some fine examples, including our pick for the current master of the look -- "Nonno" model Miho Tanaka. The otaku of Japanese BBS 2ch seem particularly obsessed with the ahiru-guchi of seiyu anime voice actress and singer Aya Hirano. Each social group has its own duck mouth heroine, apparently.

In case the Internet does not give you enough duck mouth to lust over, April 3 will see the release of a new book called "Twitter's explosively popular, widely-beloved duck mouth" (『ツイッターで人気爆発! みんな大好き アヒル口』, translation ours) by duck-mouthed model Matsu-You. And for those who want to know why duck mouth is so attractive, listen to the experts at All About sound off on the look's historical precedents and subliminal biological signals.

While duck mouth and its first-cousin yaeba may be a very Japanese aesthetic, All About tells us, in all seriousness, that ahiru-guchi is surely universally loved, citing the international appeal of Donald Duck and Pringles. That may be true but we have yet to come across websites in other languages that show scores of women with two curved potato chips protruding from the mouth."

http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/none/quac...h-japan-093969



Ah, thank you for the Internet and the desire for research. I'll just mark it up to AHS forum group think. Like how everyone here hates this certain photographer.

Keiichi_JPU 21st June 2010 08:08 PM

I'm sorry, I don't understand your post.

Do you think it's a bad thing? Or do you think the fact we call it fish-lips is bad?

I don't get it.

primavera♥ 21st June 2010 08:18 PM

oh thank you. ^___^ i love this. i always thought the term "fish-lips" was just so gross and vulgar and unnecessary. and i can never really use it.

this is much nicer. and informative .thanks :)

ayufan- 21st June 2010 08:25 PM

Woow that their is acctualy a name for it omg weird

Diana 21st June 2010 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uemarasan (Post 2397746)
Like how everyone here hates this certain photographer.

I guess that why you posted that theme? I don't get you too :) Well.. I don't know why people were talking "fish lips" but it looked like that when Ayu was shooting some PV's and covers lol There were times when they put way too much lip-gloss on her mouth that it didn't look..very pretty or sexy if you ask me. :P And some people here were sick of the same pictures so they hate that photographer..
But when you mention it, it does look (on the article picture) more like duck mouth. Sometimes I make that face on purpose and friends tell me I look like a duck.. xD

Kingdom 21st June 2010 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uemarasan (Post 2397746)


While duck mouth and its first-cousin yaeba may be a very Japanese aesthetic, All About tells us, in all seriousness, that ahiru-guchi is surely universally loved, citing the international appeal of Donald Duck and Pringles. That may be true but we have yet to come across websites in other languages that show scores of women with two curved potato chips protruding from the mouth."

LOL whoever wrote this article is pretty... special.

I will stick with fish lips for now.

minkAYuko 21st June 2010 09:44 PM

Interesting articl tho Fish lips and duck lips are not the same. For the duck lips they push the upper lip and the fish lips push both making and O or U with the lips. (I'm not saying ayu has not made duck lips before)

I don't know why ppl call fish lips to everything, the shape for the fish lips is an U like saying YOU or wanting to give a kiss but in a exagerated shape.

What ayu does most of the time (like in the cover of MOON) is to push slightly the lips so they look fuller and she might even be blowing air trhough them to get a bigger look, this is a trick that models use all the time.

*Petit* 21st June 2010 10:13 PM

like dis u meen?

http://www.plastikanosa.ru/img/sergei_zverev1.jpg

minkAYuko 21st June 2010 11:32 PM

^ yep it looks different from people to people depending what type of lips they have.

For instance the thing with Koda kumi is that her upper lip is smaller compared to ayu's fuller lips, so they don't attack koda like ppl does with ayu cause she would have to exagerate more the shape of her lips to match ayu's. But like I said, ayu exagerates the shape sometimes and ppl go all "OMG BAD PHOTSHOP/FISH LIPS"

asmAyumi1992 22nd June 2010 07:45 AM

actually, at my country, the duck-mouth are already popular among teenagers and we do call them as duck-mouth.

but when i went across the internet, everyone seems using "fish-lips". so, it's not disturbing at all.

btw, i reli love ayu's "duck-mouth" although i hate when anyone does it :P

xLuna&1LOVE 22nd June 2010 08:19 AM

Are you talking about her own lips? Then; no. She's has beautiful (plastic) lips. Maybe they are called 'fish lips' because they are big?


^Not even close enough

pommy48 22nd June 2010 08:22 AM

Lol Ayu makes it puffier....not wider like other models who do the "duck face"

Corybobory 22nd June 2010 08:27 AM

Why should we use the direct translation when there's already a word for it in English?

Tony G 22nd June 2010 08:35 AM

I don't get this thread either. People who don't speak Japanese are going to have heard the saying "fish lips" before, not "duck mouth" or its japanese equivalent. Its not an accurate statement in English either, as ducks are associated with beaks, not big lips.

truehappiness 22nd June 2010 08:38 AM

Actually, I think duck mouth predates fish lips. For whatever reason, people on AHS started calling them fish lips, and I guess it stuck?

It's a really common Asian pose though, haha.

C+R+E+AYUMI 22nd June 2010 08:39 AM

if "fish-lips" it's gross, what about "duck-mouth"? LOL

Anyway if there's already a common-used term in english there's no need of another foreign word.
In any case many thanks for this article, i found it interesting.

microphone 22nd June 2010 08:44 AM

I do duck-lips a lot because I look younger and innocent. maybe i look stupid to someone else but i'm not concerned about that~

AyuWorld 22nd June 2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE (Post 2398341)

OMG wth is that?? XDD :laugh

dont dare to open the spoiler again,that fish is just fugly :laugh

nwey,interesting article,n im okay with "fish lip",its a common thing and not gross for me and yes very common expression among japanese specially~

y_nathz 22nd June 2010 09:03 AM

I'll stick to fish-lips duck-mouth did sounded weird :laugh
It's a very common pose in Asia~
And gosh Luna what a fugly fish you put in the spoiler :laugh

C+R+E+AYUMI 22nd June 2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by microphone (Post 2398365)
I do duck-lips a lot because I look younger and innocent. maybe i look stupid to someone else but i'm not concerned about that~

we're not judging if it's beautiful or not, it depends on our own taste.
Honestly sometimes i like it too but don't like the exagerations.
The discussion it's focused on the used terms...

butterfly_ayu 22nd June 2010 09:15 AM

i can't believe there is an actual term for that though xD

Cherry Dynamite 22nd June 2010 11:08 AM

Sorry but I'll stick with fish lips.

Fish lips > Ahiru-guchi/Duck mouth

majrakun 22nd June 2010 11:24 AM

Is fish lips an actual term for it though, or did it originate here? Because I've never heard of it elsewhere.

Cherry Dynamite 22nd June 2010 11:25 AM

^ No, People actually use the tern Fish lips outside AHS.

hoshiBlack 22nd June 2010 11:52 AM

I actually like this article, and I think it's quite true.
It sometimes irks me how people rant about her lips...

C+R+E+AYUMI 22nd June 2010 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majrakun (Post 2398492)
Is fish lips an actual term for it though, or did it originate here? Because I've never heard of it elsewhere.

It's a new term coined in the 90s

Misa-chan 22nd June 2010 12:49 PM

I don't know about the article, but I agree with one word "malformation".

And the photo of Ebihara Yuri looks absolutely bad. Now THAT's what I'd call a bad lip pose. Compared to that, ayu's lip poses look really natural.

pepper 22nd June 2010 01:14 PM

Ayu is not making true "Duck Face"


http://antiduckface.com/ here you have the true Duck face antiblog, this is ridicolous.

Ayu have just opened mouth AND A LOT OF LIPGLOSS >.>

kendelle 22nd June 2010 02:47 PM

It doesn't matter to me exactly what it's called but Ayu's got nothing on the cosplayer Akasan:


AyUmIXx 22nd June 2010 02:54 PM

all i could think that the fish lips are CUTE...
since Ayu is so cute...she's not really looking so bad creating such lips..
it's like happening to every girls in photos...who want to look cute..they tend to pose their lips like that...
and i found it's ok... specially for girls who are suitable to do do the fish lips :)

ayufan- 22nd June 2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ♥pepicolada (Post 2398627)
Ayu is not making true "Duck Face"


http://antiduckface.com/ here you have the true Duck face antiblog, this is ridicolous.

Ayu have just opened mouth AND A LOT OF LIPGLOSS >.>

Thsi became very scary:tired Look at this pic, from your link. The woman left is EXACTLY a teacher at school from me O__O Only she hasn't that color hair and not that heavy make-up and no nose piercing.(and that weird spots on her face) Really this is scary!

chloeM 22nd June 2010 04:03 PM

i'll start calling it Ahiru-guchi~~~

Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~ 22nd June 2010 07:38 PM

yay!

thanks for the article!

and thank GOD ayu doesn't use Kazuyo***** *****momura anymore!

LOL. :laugh

xLuna&1LOVE 22nd June 2010 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendelle (Post 2398715)
It doesn't matter to me exactly what it's called but Ayu's got nothing on the cosplayer Akasan:


Wow, the second girl really needs some surgery. My god.

But what are we actually talking about?

Shirlaay 22nd June 2010 09:43 PM

Hmm :/

I never knew there was such a term,

but i have noticed this recent trend in duck mouth/fish lips, whichever.

yuki_unmei 22nd June 2010 10:23 PM

well that's....interesting.....:dead2

C+R+E+AYUMI 23rd June 2010 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xLuna&1LOVE (Post 2399092)
Wow, the second girl really needs some surgery. My god.

LOL :lech

Ranma Matsuri 24th June 2010 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony G (Post 2398355)
I don't get this thread either. People who don't speak Japanese are going to have heard the saying "fish lips" before, not "duck mouth" or its japanese equivalent. Its not an accurate statement in English either, as ducks are associated with beaks, not big lips.

mte

For as long as I can remember, people with big puckered lips are associated with fish. Just like people with buckteeth are associated with beavers and so forth. It's not a mistranslation or some form of disrespect, it's just what we call it in the west or at least where I'm from. :shrug I usually just call it a pucker or a pout though... that's just me. :P

In any case, this article was very informative (albeit kind of strange) so thanks for posting. I think fish lips sounds a lot better than duck mouth though. :tired

Yumsushi 24th June 2010 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uemarasan (Post 2397746)
While duck mouth and its first-cousin yaeba may be a very Japanese aesthetic, All About tells us, in all seriousness, that ahiru-guchi is surely universally loved, citing the international appeal of Donald Duck and Pringles. That may be true but we have yet to come across websites in other languages that show scores of women with two curved potato chips protruding from the mouth.

So hang on, is this article basing the the popularity of ahiru-guchi on the popularity of Donald Duck (A CARTOON) and Pringles (A POTATOCHIP/INANIMATE OBJECT)?

Woman: What do you think about my picture, honey?
Man: I think you look really cute. Just like a potato chip.
Woman: Why thank you!
Man: You're welcome, my little Pringle.

And silly me thought it was a desperate attempt to look cute/sexy that made most look worse than better. No, it was a REVOLUTION!

Yuukiru Imai 24th June 2010 05:24 PM

mean fish lips?
i think not bad.. :)
one japanese style, huhu ^^

Amrai-chan 25th June 2010 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yumsushi (Post 2400566)
Woman: What do you think about my picture, honey?
Man: I think you look really cute. Just like a potato chip.
Woman: Why thank you!
Man: You're welcome, my little Pringle.

:laugh

I've mostly seen fish lips used here. I've heard of it being called duck mouth. I've heard people call it duck lips.


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