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Official Oricon Thread ~Love songs~ III
source: www.oricon.co.jp
Oricon Year of 2011 Overall Sales (UPDATED UNTIL August 23rd) Spoiler:
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20th Week Out of the top 50 20th Week Position: Official Sales: 482 Official Total Sales: 272,653 Total Sales So Far: 272,653 |
Great sales!!! Keep it up!!!
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go go go Love songs :heart
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Guilty: 16
Secret: 18 Love Songs: 20 RnRC: 21 Rainbow: 22 I am...: 25 Duty: 27 Next Level: 30 (miss)understood: 31 A Complete: 38 A Ballads: 39 My Story: 43 A Best: 52 A Best 2: 52 (both) Memorial Address: 53 A Song for xx: 63 Loveppears: 64 2 MORE WEEKS TO BEAT RNRC! |
Still selling!!!Great news!!Aim 275K!
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long live to love songs!!!
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GO! GO! And beat RnRC!!!
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holy ****, it's still charting? damn, that's amazing.
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Consistent sales, nice, i hope another week
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next goal 275k !!
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It's pretty indicative of Ayu's slight return to more mainstream popularity when we see her charting longer than some of her more recent albums, right?
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^The much-hated-over-here Next Level charted for 30 weeks... It even came back to chart after some months off... So, it seens that this time Ayu needs to relie more on her releases than on the strenght of her name...
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20 weeks is pretty good imo since GUILTY and Secret charted less than that. :)
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I wonder if it will make 300k :yconfused...I hope so.
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HUGE sales with short chart life = big fanbase, little interest from everyone else Little above average sales with long chart life = reduced fanbase with big interest with everyone else... Considering she is not having a 2nd peak or something right now, long chart life means she is renewing her fanbase, what is very good for her... |
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1 - Her sales are showing on charts, what means she is selling far more than most 2 - Not every of her albums were able to do that, what IMO means they grew old faster than the ones who are able to keep chating 3 - The constant charting also means people, that are not part of her die-hard fanbase (those already bought it on the month of release) are getting interested on getting the album. It's not like she was selling for months with a mediocre final number... she is selling for months and she will end selling far more than most artists in Jpop (considering jpop is not made of 20 acts, but of hundres or thousands), what IMO is always good. Everytime she sells lots at once and drop from charting, this means people bought the new product of that trenddy popstar, and not really music they enjoyed... So, IMO, everytime ayu keeps strong on charts, even if she is not on the top5, she is showing how much power she has as a jpop icon |
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^ Are you serious? Have you seen other female soloist sales? (other than Namie lol) The fact that she only dropped what, less than 40k from Rock'n'Roll Circus is amazing and she's still managing to shift copies after 20 weeks
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Yeah, and its to my understanding this is physical sales only... this does not include digital sales... As for Namie, her last album was a compilation which almost always sales a lot. But her music fits a trend right now, she is conforming to what the people want, so her albums are going to sell more anyways... |
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how do you think things get trendy? :D
I think she reentered popularity in 2008 with best fiction?? She had been doing R&B for awhile, but it wasnt very big... I just cant image Ayumi doing R&B... but I wonder if she did if her albums would shot through the roof?? |
Namie became big again with 60s70s80s. Those songs were not R&B.
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^ werent those songs off of Best Fiction?
The album seems RBish to me. |
Well NEW LOOK had a very pop feel to it which is why I loved it! WHAT A FEELING was electro. ROCK STEADY - idk what that was I never listened to it in full besides like once maybe it was gross. Lol.
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Ayu's sales are superb considering how long she's been going at it.
I mean she sells out concert venues (arenas) and maintains her #1 streak even after 13 years in the business... not many other artists can say that. There are maybe like less than a dozen acts that still have that sort of grasp on their Japanese audience, and maybe like three or four of those are female soloists. |
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Ayu's sales are awesome, she's better than most solo female artists. Namie's definetely the most popular one right now in Japan, Ayu only beats her in single sales. |
@ren'ai yep, I'm serious^^ Even though she is still able to sell more than 100k after 13 years (even singles!), it means that people still love her, but it is the fact that her sales are declining and that maybe in the future, her studio albums won't be sold in more than 100k. People say that doesn't matter and maybe it doesn't matter to us, but it does matter to Ayu ^^
@TeamAyu2004 well best of albums are usually well received in Japan, not collaborations, and this is what Checkmate! is. Namie has been doing this urban/r'n'b style since 2000, so it's nothing she started recently to fit the trend. And yes, her music is popular, but it isn't only because people want that, I'm sure she does it because she enjoys it too. I guess that Ayu and Namie both do what they want, and they're totally different in terms of musical style and performing. It's just that Namie's work pays off... |
^ lol! More like it's paying off *now*. Namie hasn't stayed trendy for the entire decade - she only started getting trendy when her style and music got popular. Whereas Ayu kinda got outta style - but for someone out of style she's doing really well.
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Well collaboration bests aren't usually popular but in namie's case she sells it also because she still has big leftovers of her recent high popularity. At this point I don't think that her next album will sell better but only decline, unless of course if she brings hits and excellent marketing ploys like BEST FICTION-60s70s80s had. |
^Her album sales are only getting better though... I think she has one more good album in terms on sales and then they will start going down... (maybe 2 more albums, if albums sale trends are the same)
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As Checkmate! is a collaboration album and it does well for one, it's more received like an original album (that they usually do less better than bests) and it will sell less than P<F so at this point I think that it will continue with each original album.
Of course it might not, it's just a guess. |
ofcourse, Namie has been in music industry way longer than Ayu...
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^ Namie sells more as she had a second boom, she hasn't maintained these sales the WHOLE time. Ayu has just steadily declined like Namie did (but Ayu with lower figures because we're in a digital age now). Namie released a hit single coupled with a strong best collection, which meant her popularity revived, so she sells more than Ayu. Ayu has stagnated (lack of a better word, I know this sounds negative) into a well selling female artist, but isn't THE female singer in terms of popularity right now.
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Ayu still tends to be the highest grossing female soloist despite this, FYI~
It's her DVDs, haha. I kinda wish she'd try to gain new fans somehow, but I think that's probably not on her agenda at all. The only way I suppose she can sell a loooot more is to have a groundbreaking ballad or summer pop track that people won't be able to resist downloading/purchasing~ |
the music of namie is more, mmmm.... occidental and mainstream, and the music of ayu is different to that, but i like both :)
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^ I have no idea where they get the numbers from, but at Generasia they cite Sunrise as selling 530,000 ringtones & 250,000 + full song. http://www.generasia.com/wiki/Sunris..._~Love_Is_All~ With just over 750,000 safe to say Sunrise was a summer song hit? I don't know if ringtones are indicative of song popularity, though? Any experts on digital sales to enlighten me on this? And yes, I know Ayu grosses more, but this isn't about profit, it's about album sales. Ayu also tends to release about four times the versions Namie does and I imagine she rakes it in with tour merchandise. |
Almost a million copies?? I would say that is a hit...
I hate that oricon only counts physical and not digital.. because there is a whole world of sales out that that we are not exposed too... I wonder how many digital sales there was of love songs and add those with digital?? I wonder what the total number was?? |
But even so I'm sure other artists are doing extremely well on the digital charts too.
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great success, 273kk are close
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Why does everything with Ayu have to be a competition with someone else?
Namie sells more for a bunch of reason-she makes music that is popular right now, she only became really well liked again by the general public a few years ago after being fairly obscure for a number of years, whereas Ayu has been continuously in the public eye up until recently. And lastly, a lot of people seem to just hate Ayu for stupid reasons /shrug Both of them are doing well, and good on them. ( Of course, I'd like Ayu to kick everyone else's arses simply because I think she's way more awesome :X) |
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It's a bit of a miracle that Ayu can stand up to acts that debut a bit less than a decade after her. Is Ayu selling like she used to in 2003-2004? Not at all. However, almost everyone else isn't exactly doing so hot either. I kinda wish things went back to the way they were pre-(miss)understood... (300k singles all day erry day and so on) it seems impossible, but I think it could happen if she releases the right song~ |
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Then again, lack of promotion. It's a double edge sword. If she gets the amount of promotion she needs for a hit song, it'll have the reverse effect of making people sick of her. As an Ayu fan I'd love to see her have a second boom and sell millions again, but as I fan I also admit that's unlikely to happen and I don't mind. |
^ true, but Namie had a second boom. Im pretty sure Ayumi might have one. It all runs in cycles...
If ayumi stays around long enough Im pretty sure she will have another mini boom... Im not talking sales of Duty or I am... but maybe (miss)understood or My story! |
It's not like her music is not having any impact...
Some of her recent tracks have great views on her youtube channel (if I remember it right, Microphone, Crossroad, Moon and Virgin Road are all over 1million views), Days charted for over 1 year on Chaku-Uta, Virgin Road was among the most listened songs of 2010 on a web radio and so on... There are a lot of people selling way more than her, but she is outselling a lot of younger acts... some that even sold more than her at some point |
^ yeah.
I think the problem comes from people just looking at physical sales (and when i talk about sales Im talking physical, for example when Im talking about her having sales like her I am or miss understood). This is an age for the digital (lol, i always wanted to say that) and people just are not buying physical stuff like they use too. I wish Oricon would update on how they track, but I guess that other site does the downloads.. Chuca or whatever its called? lol. |
^ I think people also overestimate how much she actually sells online though.
Some people assume that if digital sales were added in she'd be selling like her peak or the downward turn days, I highly doubt she would. If we added in digital sales for everyone she'd still be in the same situation proportionally I assume. And 1 million views is not a lot on YouTube, most of the popular right now people have over 10 million. It's significant, yes, and it shows she isn't non-existent, but it isn't evidence of her having another hit song outside of her core fanbase and a minority of the population. I imagine the short clip nature plays a role in the small play count however, but YouTube only counts first view anyway. I just feel people try to justify over and over that she's still as popular as she was (not her peak days, I don't think anyone see's that) - but regardless of where she stands now, nobody can deny her effect on music (the people who are popular now have an Ayu influence), but right now, she is only catering to a certain fanbase and demographic. I cannot understand why this is a bad thing. :/ |
^Consider she doesn't have full pvs on Youtube anymore (dumb), and even when she had, videos like You were had good views... unfortunetelly her older views were lost when they changed the videos... Still, Utada for example has 6million views on her most viewd pv,it may be 6x more, but there are acts who can barelly get over 200k views...
She still has an album on top20 in the year-end charts, maybe top30, but still, there aren't only 50 pop acts on Japan, there are thousands... She is not the "it" thing right now, but she is outselling most... IMO the number of the sales only matter when compared to overall sales from a era, and considering this, she is far from doing bad... There's no artist on the world who can have the best selling album of the year for their entire career... Teenagers move the music industry, and after some age, it's hard to appeal to them... If she keeps her good sales, sell out big concerts and new artists still take influence from her, I'm pretty sure her career is ok... |
What people would say about "poor" kuu? :P
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^lol, sadly I dont think she was ever as popular as Ayumi.
And I dont think I meant to overestimate her online sales, I was just saying that I dont think people really look into it and only use Oricon to determine sales, which we should include digital sales as well because they should count as her official sales. I say in another 10 years, physical sales will be obsolete. Sadly, because I like the feeling of getting the actual album in the mail and going through the booklet! :D |
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She is outselling most, I never denied that, I was talking about the comments that seem to claim she still holds some sort of "it" influence, which is different to talking about her in comparison to indie acts or different music scenes - for example, I was going to make a comparison to Nana Mizuki in my previous post as it illustrated a point I was trying to make, but it's pointless comparing a seiyuu with mainstream success to Ayu. Generally what I was trying to say was that she is only catering to a limited fanbase now - like you said yourself, she doesn't appeal to the teen market in Japan anymore. I also never said she was doing bad :p just that her popularity is much less than it was, and it's not a bad thing, she hasn't stopped making good music (dependant on your tastes, of course) Quote:
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^^ i would have to agree..
I think she knows she has proven herself and she has no need to make music that appeals to the masses. She makes music that she will love and enjoy and to her fans that will love and enjoy. I think she has the ability to be a huge smash star again ( in terms of sales and what not) if she wanted too, but i think after everything she went through (2000-2003) I hardly doubt she would want to go there again... But one can dream of the hugeness of her sales again, lol. |
@njanjayrp I don't really think only her fanbase would be able to keep Days on digital charts for more than 1 year... x,x
Still, not saying it was a smash hit, but it was really popular... |
It'd be nice if Ayu released another JEWEL-like song or a STEP you. I mean who DOESN'T know 1, 2, 3, 4 YOU and ME? Haha. Even my parents know it... bahaha. A lot of her songs lately are awesome (to fans) but to people who aren't Ayu fans listening to the songs often, I think it's like listening to a popular artist's album tracks as opposed to a single that gets addicting after a listen or two.
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I agree the song was popular compared to some, but Sunrise and Together When... did way better digitally in the categories that matter more. |
But japanese fans seem to really love Days more than Sunrise or TogethervWhen... (according to the last year poll)
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^ that's exactly why I said that Days was better received within her fan base and not the general public.
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The pv didn't chart for one year |
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Apparentely, Love songs stopped charting.
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WHAT!?!
That sucks... when does that happen..? I mean, how many copies is not enough to chart? |
When it's out of the top 300 weekly.
Probably Less than 250-300 copies. |
Wow, so i wonder how you find out how many copies are sold... there has to be a way to see how many copies have been sold say two years after the fact..
or is it something that avex releases...? |
After it's out of oricon top 300 weekly there's no way to know but these days only if an album is on top 50-100 you can say how much it sells every week after a release is dropped off the top 100.
There used to be Under 101 charts by livedoor blogs oricon subscribers but there isn't anymoer unfortunately, but for Love songs, it's out of the top 300 so there's no way to know how much it sells (or anything else that is out of the top 300). |
Still... it's not like it stopped charted for good... those albums with small sales have very close numbers, 20 sales can make a huge difference on the chart... So, it may chart again for some weeks later...
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it might be popped up again next week or not anymore
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ok, Love songs did well on the charts
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thanks Love songs, you did great!
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I'm happy enough with Love songs sales!
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couln't figure such a seccess! yay for Love Songs
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How did Love Songs do compared to the other big girls latest releases?
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Sold around 75,000 more than kuu's Deja vu
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^ :D That makes me feel better. I'd been comparing it to Checkmate, which is a bad idea for numerous reasons.
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People thought it was weird to suggest the pattern between Ayu and Kuu in which whoever releases first gets the higher sales. For the past two years I think Kuu released first and did better than Ayu but this time Ayu ends up with the most sales because Love songs came out first lol. It's a little strange, can't wait for the next album release.
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It's just about 60k between Ayu and Kuu and Dejavu is still selling. ;)
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^ Yeah it's never really that big of a difference. The differences between Ayu and Kuu's sales have been getting smaller and smaller.
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Release dates have nothing to do with it really...
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Last year kuu's album sold more because it was a best it has nothing to do with who release first. It's just that kuu's drops between albums are not as small as ayu's.
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After Koda's peak, she was more popular than Ayu... as years passed by, she got less and less popular... Last year she was already less popular than Ayu, but her album was paired with the best... Now, Ayu is more popular than her again
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Here we go... A back-and-forth game...
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Hikaru Utada - Singles Collection Vol. 2: 441,000 Ayumi Hamasaki - Love Songs: 271,678 Koda Kumi - Deja Vu: 204,227 Forgot anyone? Kana Nishino is releasing an album next week, and then, numbers will most likelly change... |
kana probably will hit the 1st place
and i think u could include aiko, she always had steady good sales and she also has two best albuns on 2011 mid-year top 10 albuns list. kana only had two albuns released with good sales (aiko had a bunch and still has) and most of her singles barely hit 30k, aiko's lastest singles sold way better. thats why u should include also aiko =) when YUI release her album this will probably change again... |
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aiko had 2 best ofs released which have done quite well if you want to count those in as well, JUJU should be releasing an album sooner or later, but that could go both ways. Kana should have no problems selling over 400k though. |
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2011 mid-year best selling albuns by solo female artists #1 442,876 Namie Amuro / Checkmate! (compilation album) #2 362,189 aiko / matome I (best album) #3 335,429 aiko / matome II (best album) #4 272,653 Ayumi Hamasaki / Love songs #5 207,106 Koda Kumi / Dejavu #6 106,919 Utada Hikaru / Utada Hikaru SINGLE COLLECTION VOL.2 (2011 sales - best album) |
^ thanks. And YUI hasn't been able to sell more than Ayu for years now.
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^ np =D
Miliyah Kato also had great sales with her lastest albuns, if she release one this year it will probably hit 200k too =D so it means we're waiting for YUI, Kana Nishino, Miliyah Kato and JUJU? ps: I think Mika Nakashima can easily hit 150k if she release a new album too. |
Superfly as well.
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Judging from her general singles pattern, YUI's next album won't do as well as Holidays in the Sun, maybe hitting 250k or something. Don't think she can beat Ayu, though. |
At this point I'm not sure if Superfly will manage to beat Ayu this time.
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