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maneayu 3rd February 2012 12:18 PM

Ayu's left ear
 
I don't post so often here, but I wanted to share the following observation
I read in 2ch about Ayu's left ear.
I understand it is clear to all of us that Ayu has completely lost audition on her left ear.
But in 2ch, a guy found this particular situation that probably none of us observed before.
In the following video, at the second #51, you can see SHU-YA mumbling on Ayu's left ear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzVfn...tailpage#t=50s

And here, another video where a different dancer does the same on stage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbhnJ...tailpage#t=80s

Source: 2ch
thread:【うどんの歌が】浜崎ファンのファン離れ74【大不評】
http://anago.2ch.net/ami/

Tom Punks 3rd February 2012 01:39 PM

Conspiracyyy

truehappiness 3rd February 2012 01:50 PM

It is kind of suspicious, but who knows how loud he 'whispered' to her? And I don't know what else she'd have done in this situation... turn her head all the way around so her good ear could hear what he's saying? Or have Shu-ya go to the other side and whisper to her?

maneayu 3rd February 2012 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2812389)
Conspiracyyy

:yes:no:confused

chocopockymaster 3rd February 2012 02:02 PM

More importantly...WHAT THE HELL IS TIMMY WEARING.

Someone call the fashion police, pls. He's so tacky I can't stand it.

Luja. 3rd February 2012 02:25 PM

I think he's not really whispering but talking in a normal voice. We can't hear it in the video as they didn't speak into the microphones. Timmy doesn't seem to whisper either when talking to her.

TeamAyu2004 3rd February 2012 02:30 PM

Do we actually know how much hearing she has lost?
Ha she come out and said.. I can't hear at all?

chocopockymaster 3rd February 2012 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2812408)
Do we actually know how much hearing she has lost?
Ha she come out and said.. I can't hear at all?

Yes, when she made a statement about it she said that she completely lost hearing in her left ear. She put off the option for surgery too long and lost her chance; it's irreparable.

maneayu 3rd February 2012 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster (Post 2812415)
Yes, when she made a statement about it she said that she completely lost hearing in her left ear. She put off the option for surgery too long and lost her chance; it's irreparable.

here it is!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7174893.stm
source: BBC

And this from TA:

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67929
Source: AHS (and probably misa-chan translated it)

truehappiness 3rd February 2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luja. (Post 2812407)
I think he's not really whispering but talking in a normal voice. We can't hear it in the video as they didn't speak into the microphones. Timmy doesn't seem to whisper either when talking to her.

That's probably what's going on. I think it'd probably be pretty difficult to hear otherwise even with the ability to hear. Weren't there a ton of fans present at this event screaming?

TeamAyu2004 3rd February 2012 03:21 PM

I wonder how much she can actually hear though... I mean during concerts she wears both ear pieces... There would be no reason to wear one in the left ear if she cant hear... or "it doesn't work anymore..."

I wonder how much it "doesn't" work...

YUKARI 3rd February 2012 03:27 PM

guys, I made some research about Ménière's disease some time ago and I found out that a patient can recover and the hearing can be completely restored.

so I hope she CAN hear nowadays.

KPL 3rd February 2012 03:35 PM

about the concert earphones. i think thats more for a balance issue. you know ears are not only for hearing right. that explains also why during encores she usually takes the left one off since theres not much intense motion involved

truehappiness 3rd February 2012 03:35 PM

The doctor's diagnosis was that it had gotten to the point where she can no longer recover though. And I don't think we ever got confirmation that it was Meniere's.

The simple answer about the earbuds is that they come in a set of two and there's no reason to chop the other one off or not wear it.

Yoake 3rd February 2012 04:16 PM

We can also say that it's because it's cute. Since some years, her earbuds have strass. She maybe just want to wear both.

TeamAyu2004 3rd February 2012 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUOYUXIANG (Post 2812435)
about the concert earphones. i think thats more for a balance issue. you know ears are not only for hearing right. that explains also why during encores she usually takes the left one off since theres not much intense motion involved

maybe... I don't know...
It just always seems weird to me to see that and think why wear when you cant hear?
Balance is a good point, but I have been on the tread mill many times with only one ear bud in so that I can listen to my music and listen to what is going on around me...

Thats what makes me wonder how much she can actually hear.. the way she describe it just makes it seem like its not working the way she wants it too... lol, if that makes any sense.

chocopockymaster 3rd February 2012 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004 (Post 2812452)
Thats what makes me wonder how much she can actually hear.. the way she describe it just makes it seem like its not working the way she wants it too... lol, if that makes any sense.

It doesn't really make sense. She's already said she lost all function in her left ear. What more do you need? :shrug

Kana×Shin 3rd February 2012 05:13 PM

I thought it was right ear that went to deafness?

panda♥ 3rd February 2012 06:10 PM

i think Shuya was leaning in so she could hear him better over the translator and the crowd. i don't think he was actually whispering though.

and omg her english has improved alot, and i always loved her motto "think for today, not yesterday or tomorrow."

RayJason 3rd February 2012 06:21 PM

HER ENGLISH OMG! I love her!

Spoiler:
2:03 ayu: They fell for it lol! Shuya: I know right!
^ just kidding :laugh

Chibi-Chan 3rd February 2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster (Post 2812396)
More importantly...WHAT THE HELL IS TIMMY WEARING.

Someone call the fashion police, pls. He's so tacky I can't stand it.

:roflmao

ImpactBreaker 3rd February 2012 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YUKARI (Post 2812430)
guys, I made some research about Ménière's disease some time ago and I found out that a patient can recover and the hearing can be completely restored.

so I hope she CAN hear nowadays.

Meniere's disease is characterized by sudden hearing losses and vertigo that reverts after a relapse. However, at time, as the disease progresses, the recovery is only partial and can lead to permanent hearing loss without chance of cure.

On the other hand, I believe there are surgeries (baha implant or maybe there might be something newer) that can transmit sounds transmitted to one side and deliver it to the opposite healthy ear through bone conduction. ayu could have done such surgery, which doesn't take the fact that her lost ear can't be recovered even with surgery anymore. People with unilateral hearing loss aren't as doomed to complete handicap as those with bilateral.

TeamAyu2004 3rd February 2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayJason (Post 2812503)
HER ENGLISH OMG! I love her!

Spoiler:
2:03 ayu: They fell for it lol! Shuya: I know right!
^ just kidding :laugh

BAWHAHA! funny

toniayu 3rd February 2012 08:46 PM

I don't know about her ear...but that make me smile...
Not yesterday,not tomorrow just TODAY
:weep
How beautiful she is...

elaniel 3rd February 2012 09:06 PM

I haven't heard Ayu speak English since that CNN interview, it just sounds so strange to her her speak like that! Also, her voice tone really shocked me as I wasn't expecting it to be so deep :)

sesshy 3rd February 2012 09:50 PM

No comment about the left ear topic, but her English! Omg! :heart And when she dazes off into the crowd, they called her name and she goes: "Huh? Wha? Hai!" :laugh "Why do you have my microphone?"

owlflight 3rd February 2012 10:44 PM

I forget that she even has a hearing issue. She doesn't seem to let it stop her in the slightest. I have a friend from college with a similar issue but with her right ear and she still performs in plays and sings no problem (she's a speech therapist).

Jennie Mae 3rd February 2012 10:50 PM

Actually I was thinking about this the other day.
When I met Ayu in San Francisco, I gave her a hug and said, "I love you so much," in her ear, and she said, "Aww." The other day, I realized I had said it in her LEFT ear. So she probably didn't hear me. But she reacted to what I said. But maybe she didn't understand me because of her hearing, so she just said, "Aww." But isn't that an appropriate response to a fan telling her they love her?
I think Shuya was speaking in a normal voice, not whispering, it just wasn't picked up over the sounds of the microphones and the fans. But still, it's interesting to think about.

MissElin_ 3rd February 2012 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster (Post 2812396)
More importantly...WHAT THE HELL IS TIMMY WEARING.

Someone call the fashion police, pls. He's so tacky I can't stand it.

Giiirl, I love you more than life itself!

emi♡ 3rd February 2012 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 2812391)
It is kind of suspicious, but who knows how loud he 'whispered' to her? And I don't know what else she'd have done in this situation... turn her head all the way around so her good ear could hear what he's saying? Or have Shu-ya go to the other side and whisper to her?

Actually, my mom is completely deaf in her left ear as well, and she constantly turns her head so she can hear from her good ear, because she cant hear at all out of the left.

She doesnt have Menieres though. Maybe Ayu has at least a little function? idk. He was probably talking louder than it seemed.

CHE.R.RY 3rd February 2012 11:59 PM

Wow her English really DOES sound good! God, I knew it must've improved quite a bit since that message she wrote about her divorce had almost flawless grammar.

But about the ear thing...Geez I really don't know :(...Maybe she could hear from her other ear??? LOL

Queen Bee 4th February 2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emi♡ (Post 2812603)
Actually, my mom is completely deaf in her left ear as well, and she constantly turns her head so she can hear from her good ear, because she cant hear at all out of the left.

She doesnt have Menieres though. Maybe Ayu has at least a little function? idk. He was probably talking louder than it seemed.

My mom is completely deaf in her left ear as well. But, she says she can hear a tiny bit of noise when people talk in her left side but she can also still pick some of it up on her right. I think this might be the same case with Ayu. She might be able to hear some slight noise in her left ear but her right ear may be picking up the slack.

emi♡ 4th February 2012 12:28 AM

^yeah, the effects are so different, and on such a case by case basis...its kinda ridiculous people would be using this as evidence of anything lol

They'll never quit.

Queen Bee 4th February 2012 12:42 AM

^Exactly! It's a little irritating.

ohsixthirty 4th February 2012 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen Bee (Post 2812616)
My mom is completely deaf in her left ear as well. But, she says she can hear a tiny bit of noise when people talk in her left side but she can also still pick some of it up on her right. I think this might be the same case with Ayu. She might be able to hear some slight noise in her left ear but her right ear may be picking up the slack.

Exactly! Even if she is deaf in her left ear, she can still hear on her right. Even if someone is on her deaf side, I'm sure she can still hear them even if it's not as well.

JackieRos 4th February 2012 01:42 AM

^agree agree.

and about the headphone thing if I was deaf in one ear, I would wear both.
I mean is the logical thing to do.
It doesn't matter if you wear both or one it doesn't bother it either way.

ohsixthirty 4th February 2012 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackieRos (Post 2812633)
^agree agree.

and about the headphone thing if I was deaf in one ear, I would wear both.
I mean is the logical thing to do.
It doesn't matter if you wear both or one it doesn't bother it either way.

Plus, wearing only one would just draw attention to her deafness which I doubt Ayu really wants to do.

femtrooper 4th February 2012 03:23 AM

Maybe she has a liiiiiiiiitle bit of hearing left? And she probably wears the audio devices in both ears for balance, appearance, and perhaps she can hear a little bit. I'm not sure...the video is interesting though...

I really doubt that she'd lie about it and if she recovered slightly you'd think she'd announce it? Who knows.

dreamlover13 5th February 2012 09:08 PM

As someone who had a lot of ear problems, I can say that she probably does need both ear pieces. I never understood how much the ears affect balace until I had my ears drained and I kept walking into walls and getting major headaches.

Chibi-Chan 5th February 2012 09:47 PM

^O.o I hope your ears are ok now! Walking into walls doesn't sound healthy...

Kodou 5th February 2012 10:02 PM

Even if she can't hear anything with her left ear, she still has her right one.
Just try and keep shut one of your ears and lean forward to the TV/radio etc.
You're still able to hear with your open ear...Probably she is now able to hear with the healthy one very loud and precise...

emi♡ 5th February 2012 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreamlover13 (Post 2813397)
As someone who had a lot of ear problems, I can say that she probably does need both ear pieces. I never understood how much the ears affect balace until I had my ears drained and I kept walking into walls and getting major headaches.

I didnt either until my mom was doing the same things. Sometimes its scary when we're hiking or on really steep stairs or something, I always want her to go first lol

My mom also has issues like, not being able to tell where sound comes from, or with really loud places.

I was wondering if that happens to ayu, especially in her concerts and stuff...anyway, she seems to have gottem used to it now~

kiri-chan 6th February 2012 10:06 PM

Completly off topic but what is Shuya doing with his free hand? xD
http://youtu.be/OzVfnT8PZIg?t=3m
:innocent

I like Ayu's English! It has really improved a lot :)

Miidoriness 6th February 2012 10:49 PM

Wait!! I don't get it when she told the MC (or the interpreter) that why was he "using" her microphone??? at 1:08

panda♥ 7th February 2012 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiri-chan (Post 2813861)
Completly off topic but what is Shuya doing with his free hand? xD
http://youtu.be/OzVfnT8PZIg?t=3m
:innocent

:laugh
it looks wrong but i think he was adjusting his belt or shirt or something.

truehappiness 7th February 2012 02:08 AM

Oh, I believe she said that because he was standing right in front of her asking the question on the microphone and she was asking why he was using the microphone. Then he explained it was so that everyone could hear the question or something like that.

saigodansu 7th February 2012 07:21 AM

She said when mirrorcle world came out that the title was connected to her hearing healing miraculously. She isn't even slightly deaf anymore.

Chibi-Chan 7th February 2012 07:43 AM

^That really makes no sense at all. At the beginning of 2010 she announced that she is now completely deaf at her left ear and count down on RnRC deals with this issue. But MW was released 2008.

kendelle 8th February 2012 01:15 PM

With the first video, just because someone leans to your left ear doesn't mean you can't hear with your right one. We don't know what he said so who knows how much she relied on actually hearing him. Sometimes we all have conversations, then someone says something hours later and you look at your friend and just laugh.

For the second, again, who knows how loud he spoke to her? Those screams are crazyloud xD

AyUmIXx 8th February 2012 01:40 PM

maybe ayu's left hear is healing even just for a little bit?

kendelle 9th February 2012 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiri-chan (Post 2813861)
Completly off topic but what is Shuya doing with his free hand? xD
http://youtu.be/OzVfnT8PZIg?t=3m
:innocent

I like Ayu's English! It has really improved a lot :)

:thud

MissElin_ 9th February 2012 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saigodansu (Post 2814044)
She said when mirrorcle world came out that the title was connected to her hearing healing miraculously. She isn't even slightly deaf anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 2814054)
^That really makes no sense at all. At the beginning of 2010 she announced that she is now completely deaf at her left ear and count down on RnRC deals with this issue. But MW was released 2008.

She announced her ear being completely deaf at 2008. A few days after CDL 2007-2008 (where her voice really didn't sound that good at all, I was there at the time).

But saigo... Lol and lol on you. Where did you see her say/write that? Can you please give me some source of that? :) Mirrorcle World is just a developed title of the interlude "Mirror" from GUILTY that was released before she announced her deaf ear. And while count down did mean alot about her ear Last Links was the clearest no-hearing-left-in-her-left-ear since the intro just plays on the right stereo... = We get to hear what Ayu hears. Only the right side. If her hearing was back, I don't know if she would have done that in her album2 years later.

Chibi-Chan 9th February 2012 11:01 AM

^strange, somehow I remember it was 2010. But if you were there you will be right and I need to do something for my memory.^^

panda♥ 9th February 2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan (Post 2815115)
^strange, somehow I remember it was 2010. But if you were there you will be right and I need to do something for my memory.^^

i thought that too but after looking it up, she announced it on January 8th, 2008 in a TA entry.

BlackSilence 9th February 2012 02:44 PM

saigodansu, you still happen to amaze me lol


Quote:

Originally Posted by kiri-chan (Post 2813861)
Completly off topic but what is Shuya doing with his free hand? xD
http://youtu.be/OzVfnT8PZIg?t=3m
:innocent

I like Ayu's English! It has really improved a lot :)

He was fixing his...belt >D

truehappiness 12th February 2012 05:05 AM

Quote:

Where did you see her say/write that? Can you please give me some source of that?
There was a bit of a 'thing' where she said that during a concert on her anniversary date in 2008 which was also when Mirrorcle World was released, "it was as though her ear had healed completely" because everyone in the audience was her left ear... or something. Here's the quote from the article:
Quote:

A Sports Nippon article said that she had "miraculously" recovered some of the hearing in her left ear, but it wasn't mentioned elsewhere and so can't be confirmed. She was seen removing the ear monitor during the show.
It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, I think.

Zahara 12th February 2012 07:40 AM

I'm half deaf in my left ear, and when I was a child I was completely deaf, but I can pick up some sound in my left ear though. I don't know if this is the case with Ayu, but if someone is talking in my left ear, I can still pick up what they're saying from my right ear, so I guess it's sort of like overcompensating? Or it's doing twice to work because the other one can't hear too well. Maybe that's the same thing with her?

Also, keep in mind that sound does travel, and if they're talking normally and not whispering, there's a good chance she heard it from her other ear. I know that's happened to me plenty of times.

I get the ringing in my ears a lot, and sometimes I'll just lose hearing in my left ear completely until the ringing stops. It's very annoying, so I hope she isn't going through that during live shows.

truehappiness 12th February 2012 07:47 AM

I think she had the ringing ages back (Like, DOME TOUR 2001 back.) but now she doesn't hear anything. If you want to see her struggles with it at the time, watch this video clip from the NTV special. The ear problem actually caused her to fall into an open part of the stage injuring her leg at the time, but she still performed with the injury (as she usually tends to).

She really had to deal with a lot during her peak... and I don't think fans knew about it until years afterward when they released this footage.

Zahara 12th February 2012 08:55 AM

I can imagine why she kept it hidden. I've had years to deal with telling people my hearing loss, and some of the responses are pretty negative or snide. She went through so much and kept a lot hidden probably because she was confused, scared, and probably didn't think about the future in those terms; but that's one of the many reasons why I respect her as an artist and as a person, because she never gave up, even when suffering like that.

The balance thing really is an annoyance and I can definitely imagine the pain she was going through during the Dome Tour. I felt that fall when I watched the documentary on youtube, it truly is a scary thing to experience.

(miss)understood 14th February 2012 01:53 AM

If I recall correctly, she's only LEGALLY deaf in her ear. She may have retained some hearing, but for purposes of japanese law, she is able to claim "deafness" in her left ear


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