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☆ Utada Hikaru: The 46th Thread ☆
Welcome to Utada Hikaru's 46th thread at AHS ♡ http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/x...a/banner31.png Biography ღ Hikaru Utada was born in Manhattan as the only child of Teruzane Utada, a Japanese record producer, and his wife Junko Utada, an enka singer, performing under the stage name Keiko Fuji. Discography ღ (Japan) Spoiler:
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We miss you Hikki~! ☆ |
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And she can rearrange older songs to suit her voice better, what wouldn't be a big problem considering she always changes the arrangments anyway :P |
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Right now(as in latest Utada recordings/lives and latest Ayumi recordings/lives) Ayumi is easily a better vocalist than Utada, she doesn't destroy her own vocals the way she is singing. However for the longest time Utada definitely was better.
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For me that only time where Ayu was destroying her vocals was concert 2000. then she got better and better, and after some adjustment due to her conditions has vastly improved. But for me, 2002-2006 was ayus bets vocals. I mean that I am performance from 2002 is such a powerhouse
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^ LOL no matter what people say, Utada will ALWAYS have better vocals than Ayu. It's the fact.
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Pitch? Both are off half of the time. Range? Utada's useable chestvoice range is tiny and everybody can go high(and off) with headvoice. Strenght? Ayumi has a more powerful voice now. Control? Equally mediocre. Technique? Ayumi wins here(she lost before 2011) since she uses correct support and doesn't sing out of her range. |
Well we won't agree on that, but to me, Hikki has always had more powerful voice than Ayu, and no matter how much I love Ayu, I've never loved her for her voice :) When you listen to Hikki and Ayu, it's obvious which voice is more powerful and which is more annoying.
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I love how you state your opinion as fact without any reasoning aside you liking it while completely ignoring what I said. Priceless. Both are rather mediocre singers, the difference is that Ayumi improved like crazy while Utada has been around the same place, possibly getting worse.
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Let's not turn a reasonable discussion about Utada's voice into a flame war between Utada and Ayu fans please.
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um I can see where he's coming from with Ayu's improvement...
but...with all her screaming, and the tone of her voice now...I think hikki is a little more pleasant to listen to than her because even if she's progressively getting worse...she still sounds like her and okay. idk I saw her at In The Flesh, and I listened to the recordings later...I can see how her voice has deteriorated...but I think her songs help keep her afloat. I never want to say this in the Ayu section...but she kind of reminds me of Koda now. Just in the way that, Koda has the power, and is on key....but her tone is always so low and just not as ~pleasant~. I think it has to do with that anyway. Why people think hikki is still better. Ayu's tone is so obviously different...but hikki's isn't. Even though she's off key and whatever...a lot of people can't really tell those differences. They go by the sound...and hikki still has her same sound. |
I can understand not liking her tone now. Ayumi's tone is something quite unusual and has changed a lot over the course of her career, but it's really not something making her vocals objectively bad so it's not something to use when calling one of them superior or inferior. When looking at the actual objective aspects of singing, control, pitch, range...Ayumi and Utada have been on a rather similar level for a long time but are going into opposite directions now, with Ayumi's vocals having constantly improved since 2008(after having gotten worse for a few years) and Utada's having been on the same level and/or gotten worse.
For Ayumi having improved like crazy...it's really no rocket science. If you know anything about vocals you will realize for the last year she has employed proper vocal technique, something she has never done before. Her range has been growing back to her old 2 octave chestvoice(it was around 1.6-1.8 octaves for a long time before lately, she had to stick to "safe" songs or transpose them to lower pitches), her pitch and control have improved greatly. |
I agree~ But, we both know people...and...they go by their opinions all the time. They'll be like "This song is better because I don't like that other song." All the time.
I also think, it's difficult to have everyone understand those technical things, especially if they're tone deaf lol what else can they go on? Oh well. |
Why can't Maemi think Hikki is better if she feels that way? It's okay not to agree to anything Ayu fans say. This is a Hikki thread so you should expect Hikki fans to defend their queen. It's a matter of taste anyway. You can argue but it doesn't change it anyway.
Oh, me? I have no opinion on their live vocals because I like both a lot (but Kuu will always be the best for me and that's not going to change) and they both has had their ups and downs but it's not a crime imo. :) |
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I agree with ThisisLOL through... both are mediocre live singer with some good moments, and since Ayu started taking proper singing lessons, she got better than Hikki (but she still is mediocre). Hikki need proper singing lessons... Anyway, it's not like I think any of the 00s big female singers is amazing... most of them are mediocre, with one of them being just plain bad (Mika Nakashima). If u go for good jpop vocalists, the top of the charts is not the best of the places... edit: Tomiko Van was also a disaster on the golden age of DAI... |
@dolce: it's not that she can't...it's just that, at least I think, isthisLoL prefers to look at it from a more objective point of view in terms of vocal technique...which is not really a matter of taste.
Personally, I prefer hikki's voice over Ayu's...but does she have better technique? ouch, I don't think so. We're all hikki fans in here. No one said people have to agree with Ayu fans, it's not even about that. And no one said it was a crime to not have perfect vocals. But if people want to say that hikki has a better whatever...you just need some more proof. I personally can see where isthislol is coming from, cause I've seen what he means with Ayu, and I see what he means with hikki. As far as what Maemi said...I'm not so sure it's obvious that hikki has more power, but I think it is obvious that ayu is more "annoying" cause what I said about the ~pleasantness~ of her voice. @vini: poor mika! lol |
I've always (subjectively) liked Ayu's vocals more than Hikki's, but in some cases - like Sakura Drops or something, nothing but Hikki's voice would work. Which is... how it's meant to work. :D
This may sound really bizarre, but Hikki's vocals sound significantly worse to me in English. I guess it's because I know what the words are meant to sound like, I can understand how they fit together and work to create the song, how the structures of the words work for the song... and how her voice just doesn't work at times. Until I listened to her English work, I thought she was REALLY good (the typical opinion of her, basically), but then when I heard her in English I was just like...wow, she's kinda average, she just makes good songs and sounds interesting. It's odd :/ |
?? They are both great vocalists. They have completely different styles though, apples and oranges here. lol.
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Please take the "Hikki vs Ayu" fan war somewhere else. Seriously. It's always the usual trolls adding more fuel to the fire. *major side eye*
But on a serious note, I do feel that Hikki seems to lack technique with her vocals as of late. I'm a huge Hikki fan, as loyal as they come but I do feel that homegirl could use more vocal training. Also, maybe her change in vocals has to deal with the fact that she used to drink alcohol regularly (which she admitted to) heck, she probably still does for all we know. Alcohol has a tendency to dry out the vocal cords and cause a change in sound. :yes Agree to disagree and take my opinion with a grain of salt. ;) |
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^ I do not read your posts about vocal, just because. sorry.
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About her vocals...idk it always seemed like they weren't as important as like...the music. Sometimes I feel like she doesn't mind how gritty her vocals get because it can give a different effect...but I'm sure she does anyway... |
Whoever said 'Blue' was a hot mess during 'Wild Life' was right haha....I have to skip past that song every time.
I feel like Utada needs to get back into her R&B stuff because she can hit those notes. When it comes to a lot of her Japanese songs, she goes higher than she can on some notes, and while she DOES get those notes out, it's obviously a struggle. A struggle in both studio form and live form. As weird as a lot of her English-language songs are, she does a better job hitting those notes (ie: The verses in Exodus '04, Devil Inside, The verses in FYI, The verses in Taking My Money Back...etc...) For some reason...she feels the need to go a few notes higher in the choruses of most of these songs...I don't know why. In terms of technique, tone, quality...w/e on Ayu's part...I just find myself going "whaaat?" As much as I love her, the last live that I thought was pretty solid from her vocal-wise was Rock N' Roll Circus, and even a lot of that was improved due to technology. Despite Kuu going crazy with the vocal pyrotechnics at times, I think she probably knows her range the best out of anyone. |
R&B stuff is gross.
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Idk, I like her R&B stuff too. And she does sing it better live~ |
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I can't get into a lot of her Japanese music. ): |
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Automatic live is still nearly flawless (barring UU when her voice was going to hell - though it still sounded amazing) and it seems that she sings Automatic better with age. A lot of her experimental stuff is when she struggles to get notes out. Passion, Stay Gold, This is Love, Keep Trying (though again that was probably the worst live in UU because of her vocal issues) being prime examples. I still wouldn't call it vocal deterioration though. I just think she composes songs that are, often times, not in her range. Dear heavens, I almost typed "Is this Love" instead of "This is Love" my JPop artists are overlapping too much with song titles. Maybe Utada's song is the response song to Ayu's. |
Her cover of Lovin' You :heart
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I'm sorry, but that's a flickted cropped picture right there in that Youtube Clip.
Cover was really good though. I actually expected her to go for the whistle notes. Aww. Maybe someday in a song. |
Êrn... I don't think Hikaru ever hit a whistle note...
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Does anyone know what hikki's range is now? I know her voice deepened a few years ago, but I was alwys curious about her vocal range and type.
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This blog has a post about her voice:
http://www.divadevotee.com/2011/10/u...ile-range.html It's very short and I don't know how accurate it is, but it covers her range... |
The range should be fine. Though it doesn't make a difference between chestvoice and headvoice. And the inclusion of the chestvoice G5 is weird since it's not really sang or pronounced out, she's just peaking there for a tiny part of a second. But overall the article seems right.
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Thanks guys!
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Listened to a few hikki songs today, include sakura drops and Show Me Love (Not A Dream), and man...at least she went out with a bang. SME (NAD) is just...epic.
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^I was so about to listen to "SAKURA Drops" today as I passed by it on my iPod. Haven't listened to it in ages. Went straight to Brown Eyed Girls instead. I shall be punished.
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^^LOL you shall! I listened to Automatic too...what a classic!
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so this is how you guys completed the last thread by comparing ayu to hikki :sarclap
I thought there was something new *sniff* |
Yeah and I couldn't even make any comments... :no. Recycling topics like her favourite songs/albums etc. are fun, but comparing artists aren't :P.
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Hikari remains my favorite song by Hikaru. She doesn't have a great voice but the lyrics and melody are beautiful.
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Excuse me if I'm asking a retarded question but,
When will she start releasing stuff again? I read that she's on hiatus now for longer than a year. I really want her to be 'active' again! My first Utada song was "Simple and Clean" |
Almost two years since her last music update, 78 days since her last tweet. I'm not even sure she's alive anymore. If she isn't, then please rise from the underworld, Hikaru, people could really use some good music around here.
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she never told us. I think someone said she might have been working on something, but idk.
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Working on something, unfortunately, could mean she did something for fun and we won't see it for like.......years...or it could mean we'll see it soon, but who knows? I'm glad I decided to explore other Asian music though, otherwise I would be totally dead without the goddess in my life.
Wahh miss her. |
Had Utada not went away, the only Korean thing I'd know would be lil' Kim Jong Il.
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^I don't really think having the feeling of her japanese work would help her sell more copies, as this "feeling" and "soul" is too japanese in the first place. I also don't think any of her 2 albums is THAT generic... It has the tracks planned to be lead singles, and those are pretty generic (like Easy Breezy and Come Back to me), but also has some stuff pretty unfriendly to mainstream radios on both releases...
It was a interesting reading anyway... |
I agree. I dun really know if the "soul" can merge with the EPop world. I dun think there are many English songs that use lots of metaphors/poetic terms/etc.
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I always thought Exodus was by far her best album and possibly her least generic. /unpopular opinion
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I love that album, but the unpolished sound kinda grates on me lol and I KNOW it would grate on everyone else.
I think my favorite album Ultra Blue would have been more popular over here...maybe if it had promotion in the right places...idk. Maybe only among the people who could get over the language barrier. I don't really think that the fact that we want people from the UK, Aus, or Sweden has anything to do with it. Those are just places that make western music that fits into the market lol And discrimination...I think in certain areas....but in all the areas that matter, no. They just need to bring better music. I'm sorry, but imo Exodus and TITO weren't good enough :shrug I think BoA's brand of generic dance music was better, but then her accent is horrible, she wasn't crazy hot to look at, and promotion was also nonexistent. how could they have really expected any of those things to do well and be popular this past decade. |
^Considering the lack of Asian-american superstars, even those who can only speak english as native speakers, I would say discrimination plays a huge part... I mean, I doubt there aren't any asian american children trying to break it big into the market and failing for decades now... and even those who does will end acting in fight themed movies or as freakish exteriotyped villains. We also can't forget it's already harder to see massive black and latin massive stars on the western entertaiment market than to see white people.
Exodus and TITO are among my favorite Hikki releases, and I would never underrate how unique her english lyrics can be, what also makes some people having problems with them, as she takes some pretty unusual aproaches to lots of subjects... If anything, I would say she never got generic enough to grab a position on the market, and every new pop artist needs to play it far safer than Hikki did to fit, and slowly putting more and more personality into their work... In the end of the day, her reigning as the biggest japanese pop musician since 98 doesn't make her much more than a nobody in the USA scene... |
oh I can see where you're coming from with that. There's definitely discrimination in the industry. But then again, I guess we'll never know how many asian kids try to go that path and fail lol It's definitely going to be easier for them to enter the music market though vs. movies. If they have the voice or the dance experience.
Anyways, I think hollywood is a little out of touch with people these days. Personally, I don't feel like her western releases were generic enough, nor creative enough. I mean, if you get really creative crazy, people want to see lol You might not get radio plays...but it's not all about that. Especially now... Or if you have some new style. Even if it's not totally original. Like Lana Del Rey. ew. I also think...you know, it only takes ONE REALLY good song that people want to hear. And I don't see those anywhere around in those two albums. idk maybe I'm in the minority on this one, but if I want someone around me to really like and respect hikki as a musician...I'm probably not going to give them her english albums. Unless it's someone who likes unique R&B stuff. I do love and appreciate them...but...I would have liked to see more...at least from TITO. I think Exodus is pretty creative in its sound. |
^Well, after The Last Airbender movie, I really hope hollywood is out of touch with the rest :P They took all the asian good guys and turned them into white blond people @_@
I do believe Hikki's releases could do better on the USA being more generic or more exteriotiped and with a better timing... Some stuff she tried during both albums got big some time after on the hands of more well known musicians... |
Her English work is strange; musically its very unique but lyrically, often its seems like she's just trying too hard. I too agree that her English work seems to be missing the "soul" her Japanese work has. And I don't know if anyone else will agree, but I think Devil inside was pretty darn generic, and maybe that's why it was popular on the dance charts. Maybe if poppin' was a single it would've been popular in the clubs too?
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KcZyZd0zaO...is-the-one.jpg Lol. |
I never said it was?
That cover is dead to me. I replaced it with a fan version so I'd never have to look at it. And I actually felt bad about BoA for that. She had those super hot pics and the netizens just tore them to pieces cause they're morons. |
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My point is that no matter how innovative her music writing skills maybe, when you choose generic songs to promote yourself, your fans will start to question how you want to be perceived in this new market |
^Considering some of her biggest hits on the jpop market, I would say picking the generic stuff to promote wasn't really new to her... Her first 2 albums singles, Traveling and them Flavor of Life and Prisioner of Love from Heart Station and Goodbye Happiness are anything but innovative. Actually, most pop musicians tend to use the most generic stuff to promote, even those who are usually seen as very innovative...
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All this hooplah about Utada's English albums is the reason why I stick with my Deep River :P
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but those songs = / = her generic english songs. They might all be generic....but very different generic lol I'm happy she has a sense of humor, but at the same time, I don't want to listen to amateur crap like Poppin. |
Exodus and TiTO were both embarrassing attempts to be "American." TiTO was more mellow of course, but poorly pulled off. Exodus was more innovative (in sound) but the lyrics are contrived and downright retarded.
If you have a proper command of the English language, there's just no way you won't burst out laughing, or feel second-hand embarrassment to a degree while listening to either of those albums. |
OMFG. I cannot believe she is back. FINALLLLLLLLY!!!!!!!!!!
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I guess the main problem was people expecting something deep, and magical, and ethereal and getting Hikki's quirk sense of humour and sexual innuendo instead^^ |
uh I dont know lol But I do agree with yumsushi and polyrhythm that the songs are a little embarrassing.
her exodus lyrics are weird too, but maybe the music makes up for it? Some things came at me completely from left field though...like why is Tippy Toes about what it's about :laugh And you know, personally, I'd give Exodus and TITO a good review, but that doesn't mean I don't have issues with them. And it also doesn't mean that, if she went and performed some of the songs, that regular people wouldn't laugh or think "wtf" at her lol But who knows, maybe she can become known for her freaky lyrics and people will be receptive cause it's funny. |
But the whole point WAS being funny! She was for sure not trying to do a deeper statement about human sould while recording stuff like The Workout, Easy Breezy, Turn the Table, Tippy Toe, Me Muero, Poppin'...
Even songs like Come Back to me and FYI have hints of humour... |
lol well I guess if she wanted to be taken as a joke then she got exactly what she wanted.
I really don't want or need deeper music. I mean, I just like good songs. If I wanted someone to forego making cool music in order to be funny, I'd go listen to a comedian's album. It's just like ayu. I'm happy she's experimenting and being herself, and I appreciate that beyond understanding. Just know it's not really gonna go anywhere lol and I'm personally not going to listen to it, nor will I recommend it to other people looking for music that's meant to be listened to, and not laughed at. |
People take things way too seriously... and underrate the power of well crafted humour...
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^1. I didn't take "some singles", as I said, all of her first two albums singles, that happens to be her best selling albums, traveling, Flavor of Life, Prisioner of Love and Goodbye Happiness. This is 11 of her 27 japanese singles, almost half. If we take Heart Station (that I myself don't find generic, but you do), Final Distance and Boku wa kuma we have 14 easy listening, radio friendly, low risk singles. This makes her any worst of an artist? Nops... it's just one of the oldest promotional strategies ever on the music industry. She is a pop musician, her music is meant to have heavy airplay, so, obviously, she will promote herself trough the most comercial stuff.
2 . You are mistaking Exodus reviews (mostly done by people with no knowlegment about her japanese work other than the fact that she was big in Japan) with TITO reviews (done mainly by people who reviews mainly japanese entertaiment and were expecting Deep River in english) 3. She actually said Exodus was infused with her quirk sense of humour... I can find the interviews, but it will take me some time (as I read them 8 years ago :P). I think I remember saying something about that during TITO promotiong too. I also don't think Hikki is sexually frustrated at all, she actually seens to be pretty... kinky by some of her personal blog posts and english interviews... |
maybe she should try being a lesbian after all :laugh Just because she's kinky doesn't mean she isn't frustrated :P
and well, her well crafted humor went nowhere so, maybe next time hikki. You know, I never thought about it before, but maybe it's no wonder why Island Def Jam didn't want to promote the album. Anyway, I like fun music, I like things that make me laugh...but I like music music better, so. I remember her talking about her sense of humor for exodus. Like the japaneasy thing. I think it probably just reflects how she really doesn't care about the market here...but sometimes I wish she did. |
^I don't get what makes a humorous aproach less as effort as a dramatic aproach... Maybe it's the fact this is an Ayu forum after all...
And if she didn't lied during Exodus interviews, Hikki had her share of girl on girl action :P |
lol no, not because it's an ayu forum.
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In regard to her English music, I just think the majority of her problem is that she doesn't really know what direction she wants to go in. I feel like the first effort was an experiment for her (since she can't really experiment too far off the charts in Japan, otherwise she'll lose her fan base), and the second effort was her trying to break into the main stream market by creating lyrics that were a 'little' more what the American market would be used to hearing. I think - for the most part - if she had kept doing tracks that had a similar sound to FYI and On and On, like upbeat dance tracks, combined with lyrics that were even more mainstream, she could have had a top 40 hit on her hands. My hopes are that now that she's under EMI she will have a better shot promotion-wise. Also, I think she just needs to suck it up and do a cover that doesn't feature her face looking sickly (IE: TITO, Heart Station). Put some make-up on, grow the hair out, and get an innovative shoot going and then finally she should have a hit. |
Did you guys ever think that she was just fufilling her contract obligations with TiTO? She has a pretty wicked sense of humor and I think that she was just messing around with that album. Yes, it would have been nice to have broken into the US market, but it's clearly no skin off her back.
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^She hired top hitmaker producers to TITO, I doubt she would spend that money just to fullfill contract obligations
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Re #3 I would really like to read this interview and certainly, I have never heard her say anything remotely kinky on any of her English interviews. She definitely has a quirky sense of humor, I can agree to that at least. Quote:
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Heard that a while back..sadly is a fanmade song :( but it was something I'd love Hikki to release for real!!
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She never said anything kinky, but implied some stuff from times to times... And I didn't find the interview, what can mean I missunderstood something she said, but I found a forum thread about the Exodus era with a compilation of reviews: http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/inde...d=23052&page=1 Most of them are pretty good, some even praising her lyrics^^ There are a lot of Exodus interviews there too... That's why I'm questioning myself about the intention of being humorous, even if I still do get this feeling from her lyrics... nothing wrong about that IMO, 80s Madonna had a humourous aproach to a number of topics too, and a good part of those songs are pop classics today. It may be a interview done in the time Exodus was released on the UK (it was one year later +-? I remember she got new reviews and interviews back them) I also don't agree that thinking Ayu's fandom lacks sense of humour makes me prententious or anything, but I do agree I can be pretty prententious a lot of times ;) |
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Thanks for the link to the reviews. I see most of the reviews praising the production and many questioning the lyrics, like TiTO, but I think that Exodus musically is much more progressive than TiTO thus the positivity in the reviews. And that was pretty pretentious and presumptuous. Funny how you always harp on people using their opinions as fact but have no problem doing the same lol |
Well, and here am I believing I overuse "IMO" to make sure it's clear i'm just stating opinions... :P And there was a quote of a post of mine admiting I may be wrong about something I said (you can find those all over AHS btw).
Anyway, neither NIN or Bjork can be considered mainstream artists, so, I don't really think this makes Devil Inside a generic song or even a easy to hit one. :P |
For me, NIN is/was a mainstream artist. Bjork, not so much.
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I see you guys are discussing about Exodus and TiTO, and in my opinion, Exodus is one of the best english albums ever.
Man, the lyrics are pure fun, and I didn't understand the point of "having a proper command of english language", I mean, to make songs like "Stupid Hoe", "Alejandro" and "Womanizer" (just to cite a few) you don't really need to have great knowledge of english. (But I like those songs, except for SH) Don't compare the lyrics of english songs from 80s or 90s to what we have now, and lyric-wise I think Hikki did a very good job on Exodus. We don't see people that often singing about the life of a aging prostitute or how to teach a guy how to get down in the club. TiTO was a regular american album. You can't say it's generic or stuff because I can imagine Mariah Carey or Rihanna singing those songs easily, and if they did people would probably call them masterpieces. And, in the end, I love all her stuff (with exceptions) but I can't understand some songs, like traveling for example. Wonder 'bout, Hotel Lobby and Tippy Toe will remain in my top 10 english songs forever. |
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Anyhow, I think we've derailed the thread enough. When I want music to make me laugh, I'll listen to Faith no more/Fantomas. Dirty desire will always just make me cringe. Hopefully she is working on something grand. |
^I never said they are nobodies, just not mainstream... What just means they don't get massive radio airplay and have a pop image around them like... Madonna or Britney or Maroon 5. Even if they sell well and are pretty much successful, inspiring your sound on them is hardly an easy way to sound like everyone else does on MTV, what is the more generic anything can get. And I'm with you, let's just agree on disagreeing^^
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I wonder what she is doing with her time though...just being lazy? Traveling the world? Hmmm
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I'm so scared she's making babies.
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^^I honestly think she's a lesbian. I guess she could still make babies though. haha
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I dont think she's a full lezzie. I think she's bi.
Not heteroflexible. Bi. lol |
^LOL you might be right. I just get that vibe from her for some reason.
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She has a gay teddy, she might as well be bi :D
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lol this is quite a fresh topic in hikki's thread. :P
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Seriously? I can't possibly be the only one who has gotten that vibe from her. LOL
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^Lol no you're not. She's tripped my bidar for quite a few years now. She just seems so laid-back about it that I wouldn't be surprised one day if she just went "yeah, I have a gf, parents are freakin' out but no1curr man."
I think she said she was going to do volunteer work and learn more languages during her time. Wonder how that's coming along. |
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