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ayu's twitter thread ~part 27~
This thread is for discussion of Ayu on Twitter
And PLEASE BE CIVIL with the discussions. ayu's twitter http://twitter.com/ayu_19980408 I checked Ayu's Weibo, and it seems it's NOT updating. (That lost password issue...) As a result, I'm NOT posting it here. Back to Twitter discussion only. Other twitter accounts related to ayu Spoiler:
Anyways, the thread before the previous one took about a month and a half to fill up. The previous one took less than a half a month! Whoa, that trip around the world - especially Europe - and the Maro tie-up quickly filled up the previous thread fast... |
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I thought zin was something else.
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LOL :lech
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Ayu just updated TA at 3am in the morning Japan time! this woman i dont know just when she goes to bed early xD
btw im interested to know if theres something important,see fans tweeting her like,"we will wupport you bla bla," |
^Anything juicy, or just "A Classical, look forward to it!!" kinda stuff? Or maybe "cutting toe nails and thinking about the meaning of life" kinda stuff again.
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I can't understand her message =( but I'm sure it's not as stupid as happiholic said
seems like she got a lot of bad messages, but they don't hurt her anymore Quote:
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as you wish. just wrong time for bad jokes
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^ I read it as they were saying "I hope Ayu didn't tweet something stupid, as happiholic also hopes it's not such". I didn't read that as you being called stupid, rather that they also hope what you hope (that the tweet wasn't something stupid)
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^Sorry, but that's not how I read it, and their follow-up post didn't exactly attempt to correct the situation.
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err sorry for that "bla bla" things i just dont want to continue the sentences,and sorry if i caused any "chaos" here,
just to say that i understood that Aderianu said, somehow the post about Ayu by Happiholic is stupid not referring to the person though back to the topic, so a japanese fan said that Maro had a baby but not from him and his ex-wife now! but from other woman and it seems that woman is MikaJohn's friend. duh why so complicated :thud:thud:thud |
^^ i dont think what you said was stupid... ayumi has been known to tweet... weird things before.
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Oh, would Maro's baby's mother happened to be name Saki Namba by your friend? In some thread on here someone said that was who it was. Don't know if that's true, she's never mentioned having a baby, and I've been following her for years. Also, I don't know if Saki knows MikaJohn. But, if she is friends with Mika, wouldn't that make her a mutual friend of Ayu's? If it is true, of course. And thank you TeamAyu2004 :) |
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As long as he and Ayu are happy I'm happy for them. Even if there is drama, their happiness is what is important.
Also, I get the feeling that Maro was probably having some trouble in his marriage, perhaps a baby (who knows?), while Ayu was going through her divorce and that's what brought them together. Not that Ayu was ruining a marriage, or that Maro is some sort of jerk. |
http://www.asahi.com/showbiz/nikkan/...211290002.html
http://getnews.jp/archives/275737 http://woman.infoseek.co.jp/news/ent...0121129_123601 http://www.rbbtoday.com/article/2012/11/29/98526.html I think these are the articles people have talked about (sourced from Josei Seven which published something yesterday/today)? Or something similar. It mentions the ex-wife and a model. The model apparently gave birth late last year? I don't think he's been with RYON RYON for a while since he changed his name back to his own family name years ago so it was after they separated. If anything, this is just unraveling drama around Maro and Ayu just so happens to be a part of it and will probably take most of the criticism since she's the 'star' of the couple. They also bring up Mannie and his comments about "Ayumi is my wife / We are not divorced" earlier this year. |
yeah im more interested to see ayu's big plan for her 15th anniversary rather than this stupid drama and what makes her career go down the hill >__<
somehow this is even worst than Mannie,at leats he's a single guy, but maro woaah,hes married and had a baby with another woman,and Ayu now had to confront this problem with fans, even its not hers but since shes the one who announced their relationship at this moment,the woman is strong and mature enogh to deal with this, |
To be honest, this maro fiasco has not bothered me/does not bother me
I just want moar music. |
Maro fiasco?
OMG! I forgot all about it, lol :p |
I'm still more interested in Mannie and his psycho tweets lol
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^ me too, actually. I want to know more about what the heck he was talking about.
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^ is this recent?
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http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.co...inment+News%29
just a coincidence? also remember about the rumours of Ayu and Nagase met again,and Ayu brought his favorite meal,and also about Ayu's mom didnt like her getting back with nagase; |
So much drama with Ayu ... Japanese journalists want ruin her 15th anniversary ? sad lol
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^^ Japanese journalists didn't start the mess. The things that were in that weekly magazine that "forced" them to post on their blogs only had one source and that was Avex. And for all the rumors to make Maro out to be some kind of playboy, there's no sign of that model ever being pregnant. There's still more proof he's gay than straight. And what a coincidence his blog disappeared same as Shuya's did when Shuya blogged about being gay.
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^ no one forced them to publish it.
And as the 'proof' for being gay, there is none. |
the ayu & maro relationship topic covers this~
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I didn't know anything about Mannie saying "Ayumi is my wife, we are not divorced" nor the psycho tweets O_o when did this happen?
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I remember those 'we aren't divorced' tweets
Messy times. Ugh, so messy. |
BTW, check Saki Nanba's blog like another AHS user said they had been watching for years. She never was pregnant, so Maro had no baby with her last year like what was reported.
Back to actual TWITTER topics. Japanese fans are now tweeting and TA messaging for Maro to be removed from A-Troupe or Ichiza as they call it. |
lmao really?!
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people need to move on and just let ayu do what she wants, the sooner people accept they don't get a say in her career and life, the better they'll probably feel
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^ uh, hello, we are her fans, of course we should control and neat pick at everything.
I buy her albums! I have the RIGHT! (all this is for joking matters before anyone actually takes it seriously... :rolleyes) |
Japanese fans need to get over themselves.
That country in general needs to get over themselves. |
^BEST POST IN RECENT TIMES.
wtf japan :rolleyes |
Don't judge a whole country by autistic fans >.<
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What japan needs changed is the owner/slave relationship companies put on those in entertainment and in many cases in the workplace in general and put in proper employer/employee boundaries. This subject just came up in my chat group on facebook and it is much worse than I imagined it was for those in enterainment especially. A member of AKB48 was just fired for deciding to sleep at her boyfriend's place.
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It's different for idols, artists like Ayu, Utada and Namie are allowed to do what they want in their personal lives as we've seen. I don't know why anyone would choose to be an idol.
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^Money, fame?
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Big names don't get as much freedom as you think.
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In entertainment in Japan, the company decides if you can date, how often and with who. How famous they are decides nothing.
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Okay thanks for letting me know~
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Doesn't mean they're different, it just means those 2 got approval from them. They also could have said no and made them choose between their spouse or their career.
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We don't know for sure, this is just assumptions and theories~ I really don't think Avex would have chosen for Ayu to get married and divorced to some random foreigner or Namie to marry, get knocked up by, go on hiatus and then divorce at the peak of her career~
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I remember some record deals don't let them date at all.
I think it was arashi or kinki kids. |
well, arashi is an idol group... the other dont know, dont care (not trying to be rude)
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I think that if fans weren't so delirious that these things wouldn't be an issue. Some fans seem to think that they own their favorite singers.
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^ true that.
I get some of the whole idol thing, because if they are single, then clearly you have a chance with them, lol. But... i dont know... if they want to do this whole image, then go with what the people know. |
^I know I have no chance with Joseph Gordon Levett. I would LOVE to marry him, but I know its not going to happen. If he gets married I will be happy for him and hope for the best. I don't think its healthy for entertainment companies to promote the delusion that the fans have a chance with their idol by forcing them to be single. Although, I guess its those fans who buy anything and everything an idol puts out, go to every concert, buy all the swag with the idol's face plastered all over it.
And on some level I don't really want to meet Joseph. He's not the person that my mind perceives him to be, I might actually hate the real him. |
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But there are crazy's out there... I mean look at all those Beaver fans... oops, I mean Bieber.. =) Bieber FEVER!!! not to single out any sex or anything, but teenage girls are just... :tired:tired kinda crazy. |
I would think solo singers would be different from idols
Avex even encouraged alan to get a boyfriend :laugh |
They probably wanted her to marry a Japanese so that she wouldn't be so...foreign....lol
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Considering people like Ai Otsuka, Koda Kumi, Hitomi or Keiko from GLOBE actually married and some divorced or got pregnant or both, I really doubt Avex tries to control their stars personal lifes, like saying to who should they marry or anything like that. Obviously this works for Ayu too.
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Ai Otsuka and hitomi's careers can't really being compared to Ayu's and Kuu always had a sexy-independent appereance more than Ayu (talking about japanese male fans though). About Keiko I don't know 'cause I never cared of GLOBE, honestly. Maybe avex it's not so strict like other labels, but I doubt they didn't set any limits to Ayu during her peak. Her relationship with Nagase was so private, that sometimes I forgetting she was dating him at that time lol. Now she have reached a position where she can do whatever she wants. Well, not at all since she's still under a contract but I think she's free now to live her life more than when she was popular. But some fans can't change and still thinks about Ayu as a avex's product. Or in a more creepier way: a their own product. I understand when people can't get into Ayu's musical changes, but when you cannot accept she's a human being like you.. I have bad news for you :no |
Not sure if its still the same, but back in the day Johnnies boys were not allowed to date until they were 25. If they were caught they would get put on activity suspension.
Isnt it just bad business if a star stays single too long into old age, then people start asking strange questions. |
You know what? I was watching 2NE1's NOLZA concert with my friend last week, and during one of the MCs, Dara said something like, "One more year before I can date!" and her and Bom were getting all excited. Though Dara and Bom are 28 now, I guess it's the same for YG artists?
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Ayumi dated Nagase for most of her career and their relationship happened during her peak, still, it was serious enough for them both getting pairing tattoos.... Keeping a relationship private (something Ayu still does nowadays) is not an Avex thing, more like a Japan thing. Still, all of those girls married way past their peaks, so, there was no reason for Avex to control them. It's not like most of the japanese people really care about their personal lifes at this point. |
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This dating control seems really odd. |
There are some that break the rules of their contract, risking their career, Namie and Kuu took very big risks in that area. But those rules are very common in every company in Japan and they don't change their rules based on your popularity. With the 100s of examples known by those I talk with on Facebook, who have been in these contracts themselves, the company can sue you for all their potential earnings for the period remaining in your contract if you break it. In the case of one I spoke with, she wanted out of her contract for over a year but the millions she had made in her career were not enough to pay the lawsuit they would file against her if she left early. And that company even went so far as to force her on the dates they chose to be seen out with the person on dates lasting 2 hours.
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I think people over-exagerrate sometimes when it comes to agencies power but I do think if you are actor/actress especially you are at their whim (due to how castings in Japan work and stuff) and if you are idol of course
singers,especially ones that are mega-huge and aren't selling ~ the dreamy you can one day marry me in your day dreams~ factors like some Vkei bands and male soloists acts do all the time then I do think they can date whoever they please since I fail to see how that will affect their fanbase or image anyway for Ayu, I don't think avex controls that aspect of her image since she has long passed those days of being a major spokesperson for companies and other stuff and ummm, idek how this conversation came up.......lmao are her Japanese fans still pressed about Maro |
Yes her japanese fans want him removed from the troupe. And as for over exagerating, I found I was underestimating it extremely when I talked to some japanese actresses and film makers on facebook. My post above is taking from their experiences of themselves and friends and one of their friends is Erika Sawajiri.
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as someone who's had experience dealing with idols and their fans...dating is still a rather grey area to me. sometimes i think i understand why companies are so controlling of their clients, but at the same time, they're really restricting and caging them. they're protecting their well-being from a certain group of fans (trust me...i've read some horrible stories!), but then again their using their "pure" image for profit. it's definitely a strange aspect to the industry.
honestly, i think it's different for everyone. it sort of depends on a person's relationship with their company. Tomoya Nagase began dating ayu when he was young and it was a private and long term relationship too. i don't think Johnny's made a big fuss over it because perhaps Nagase did everything right with the company. it contrasts so differently with other Johnny's, like Jin Akanishi. i'm pretty sure he is black-listed now and his whole career stopped overnight. he had a different situation tho with knocking-up Meisa Kuroki, so..... :P i definitely think ayu has control of her love life. someone who had a boyfriend (a Johnny even!) during the ultimate prime of their career and not let it affect their work is sort of an anomaly. she is definitely not as big as she used to be, but i think because she's well, ayumi hamasaki, people are still invested in who's she's dating and they will talk and gossip. but ultimately...she's had it easier than others, IMHO. |
I think that companies go after personal lives of the celebrities in japan only if they feed on their pure/single/innocent image like idols tend to sport, who basicly have less talent and depend more on the label and producers than any other musicians. i mean how many idols actualy have great voices and musical skills? Very few. They sell purelly on their image.
I think with artists like Ayu, GACKT (who's in Avex too) etc. they get more respect (and sure thing you have to earn that respect) from labels and far more freedom than idol groups cuz they are grown up people, and have more of a last word in everything they do with their carrer, HOWEVER i was a little surprised when some time ago GACKT said he wanted his hair color back to black but said that company told him to keep it like that for a little longer and didn't want him to change it. In general i think veteran artists, or musicians are more likelly to have more freedom with their labels than idols and idol groups. |
^ you are right about that, specially ayu has already been in the industry for 15 years already. i doubt avex still has control over their life.
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Ayu's stopped tweeting like she used to. I'm assuming its because of all the Maro drama?
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i wouldnt be surprised at all. People are so rude to her...
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Probably. I'm sure faceless people on Twitter give her their full opinion of her personal business.
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^ they do here, why not to her face? lol
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Poor ayu!!! Who are they to comment on her life? Faceless twitter people, who are they to tell off a artist that is top in Japan?
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She's probably also busy. Sometimes she has periods of time where she just doesn't post before starting back up a few weeks afterward.
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She's busying perfecting CDL!!
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^ most likely! I'm looking forward to hear the last releases live. However, I am a bit worried about her vocals. She sure would be improved, but they weren't really amazing this year's summer. Oh well, she has amazing costumes too...
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Even with HEY!x3 (presumably her final one there) being aired, I don't see ayu active on twitter... That's quite weird, but I do have to agree with this a bit:
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If I was being attacked on Twitter because of my relationship, I wouldn't want to be tweeting either.
But as truehappiness stated, she comes and goes. It might just be that she's busy and it has nothing to do with all the drama... |
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Sorry, I don't mean to mock the person and I'm sure it was tweeted without bad intentions..
But this entire tweet made me laugh because of how bad it looks. http://i.imgur.com/4WDsI.png |
^ its kinda funny.
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It's a way to communicate and increase your popularity, but among compliments and supportive messages it's quite normal to receive even judgements as soon as your private life becomes public domain. It's a must-accept compromise, to deal with polite, educated people but with rude, hater too. Anyway, since in our brain we have a judgement for every single little thing that it happens to us or that we get in touch with, it's quite uncommon not to have opinions LOL I admit sometimes I prefer people judging her choices (not haters, don't misunderstand, I refer to costructive criticism) than accepting everything's coming from her uncritically because too many things got to be accepted acritically in this world. I don't know If I expressed myself well |
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^ Am I the only one that gets a strong Tetsuya Komuro vibe from this twitter message? :minno
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About that pic twitter. Guess means that even a criminal is a fans of Ayu. I pictured a criminal with a big body like Stalone, singing Ayu song in jail... lol
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If you're all curious, just search the exact same text as his tweet on Twitter and you'll run into his profile.
Related, there are so many creepy tweets at her - poor woman. |
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^ he was in jail for awhile.
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