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dannysan 17th June 2016 09:08 AM

FLOWER & Mad World (Short ver. MVs on YouTube)
 



Faiza 17th June 2016 09:14 AM

I loveeeee FLOWER

//ABEST 17th June 2016 09:15 AM

WOW

rainbow_smile 17th June 2016 09:15 AM

Oh my god I'm impressed

js_surrealism 17th June 2016 09:19 AM

LOL!!

She has got to be in self-parody territory now. There's no way she's not trolling us with videos like these hahaha. I literally burst out laughing during the chorus in FLOWER. Oh, Ayu, please never change.

CeReSu 17th June 2016 09:19 AM

Oh I love them!! Mad World is interesting with this concept of "Simple Ayu" then "Ayu on stage"!
And Flower, besides her (bad) acting, I can't wait to see the whole PV!
Reminds me of Don't look back!

Next_Level29 17th June 2016 09:21 AM

wow, both of them are so deep. You can tell right from the beginning that she isnt happy with how she is judged by her work. Those mvs are strong. I love them

tokyoxjapanxfan 17th June 2016 09:22 AM

I got chills from Mad World :'-(

Next_Level29 17th June 2016 09:22 AM

and doesnt it mean that you sacrifice yourself when you cut your hair in japanese culture? Something like that? ..

blackmage 17th June 2016 09:23 AM

Ugh I wanna see the full versions, hahah. Its not enough. So far, I kind of wish they used multiple cuts/angles in FLOWER, but I'm really excited to see the rest.

Aderianu 17th June 2016 09:24 AM

:love

tokyoxjapanxfan 17th June 2016 09:25 AM

Well I know it means to be a huge apology when you cut your hair here. But I'm not sure if that's really what she's going for...

AKB girl being the most famous recent example lol

js_surrealism 17th June 2016 09:26 AM

For those of you who enjoyed the low budget look and feel of these videos and the album cover shoot, I'm happy for you, you got exactly what you asked for.

For those of you (like me) who held on to the tiniest glimmer of hope that she would do something interesting for a change (since the music on the album was so promising) -- well, tough luck. Maybe on her 20th anniversary >.>

rainbow_smile 17th June 2016 09:28 AM

Apparently in the news report they said that she cuts her hair and rips her dress because she's trying to get rid of the lies she surrounded herself with, and also to get rid of the feelings that restrain her. I wan't the one translating this though.

js_surrealism 17th June 2016 09:30 AM

If I were styled like this I'd rip my hair and dress off as well lol.

I actually don't mind the simplicity of the Mad World PV but it's such a waste of a good song to execute such a thoughtless concept for the video. A video like this should be reserved for duds. Like Winter Diary.

blackmage 17th June 2016 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Next_Level29 (Post 3203802)
and doesnt it mean that you sacrifice yourself when you cut your hair in japanese culture? Something like that? ..

Its probably more about forgetting the old to bring in the new... What you are thinking would more go into feudal time mentality of cutting your own hair. Samurai would cut their hair if defeated; people would cut their hair if rejected from their home or abandoning their social class.

Aderianu 17th June 2016 09:32 AM

at FLOWER she destroy dress from CDL?

Ayumi Romania 17th June 2016 09:37 AM

I think this PVs are bad and very rushed. I think this PVs were made in 1 or 2 days and looks like an amateurs work, nothing special and nothing interesting. It's really bad because the song have potential to make amazing PVs and I was expecting something better.

ayu-michan 17th June 2016 09:44 AM

It's a pretty simple thing, really. Cutting your hair just means wanting to get rid of the past, of your old self, of stress, of things holding you back, etc. She wants to leave "them" behind, "them" here meaning whatever that's troubling her right now. I can understand this because in the midst of a fit I cut my own hair myself.

She sucks at acting still hahaha but the anger, frustration and etc. were made pretty clear from the song itself so the bad acting doesn't bother me too much. I get it.

MAD WORLD ON THE OTHER HAND THOUGH, THAT WA S NICE

Low budget, amateur or not thank GOD it's not a meaningless video

Uknow! 17th June 2016 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3203811)
at FLOWER she destroy dress from CDL?

Yes, it is, I guees.

freedreamer 17th June 2016 09:55 AM

I actually found FLOWER's video to be one heck of a juxtaposition like the song's title.

1. We didnt expect FLOWER to be this angsty rock track. But it turned out so despite its gentle title.

2. She posture on the couch was VERY geisha/artisan? It reeked of traditional Japanese vibes but yet she was not exactly dressed in that sense. And after that regal pose, its as though she went like F this sh*t and just went berserk. Super big contrast there.

3. The whole vertical subtitles idea i guess is suppose to give off this traditional video sense. Yet the whole setting isn't traditional at all. It looks like a hotel. (and she looks wasted..lol)

primavera♥ 17th June 2016 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3203809)
If I were styled like this I'd rip my hair and dress off as well lol.

I actually don't mind the simplicity of the Mad World PV but it's such a waste of a good song to execute such a thoughtless concept for the video. A video like this should be reserved for duds. Like Winter Diary.

Ayu has had simple PVs that work well before so it's nothing new and it's looking like Mad World will be one of them. I also think it's more suitable for the song to have a more simplisticpv as long as it's done well and that seems to be the case so far here. But I'd like to see all of it to get a better grasp on it. I wouldn't really want it to be anything extravagant or overly complex, tbh. It would clash with the pure feelings and rawness of the song (lyrics and all) that make it one of my favorites in a while.

Flower on the other hand is ruined by doing it all in one shot and her overdramatic acting which is really just bad acting. It's never really convincing and I'm not sure why people let her do this. I appreciate the energy but even her facial expression, just the fuckin most. I'll still be fine with the PV but it will be awkward. There's a way to be dramatic and it's not this.

dayumi 17th June 2016 10:08 AM

MAD WORLD PV is just beautiful! :heart

rikku1994 17th June 2016 10:12 AM

Am I the only one who actually like both Mad World and Flower's MV preview?

So much complaints on having a "cheap" video... I mean the girl is currently on a tour, I don't really think she would have the time (or the budget lol) to plan for a grand looking mv.

We've been getting "okay" or "meh" videos since her LOVE again era... what would you expect?

njanjayrp 17th June 2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rikku1994 (Post 3203824)
Am I the only one who actually like both Mad World and Flower's MV preview?

So much complaints on having a "cheap" video... I mean the girl is currently on a tour, I don't really think she would have the time (or the budget lol) to plan for a grand looking mv.

We've been getting "okay" or "meh" videos since her LOVE again era... what would you expect?

I love both. They have the rawness of her older videos (pre-MY STORY).

//ABEST 17th June 2016 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rikku1994 (Post 3203824)
Am I the only one who actually like both Mad World and Flower's MV preview?

So much complaints on having a "cheap" video... I mean the girl is currently on a tour, I don't really think she would have the time (or the budget lol) to plan for a grand looking mv.

We've been getting "okay" or "meh" videos since her LOVE again era... what would you expect?

EXACTLY. :yes i think these are looking way better than many videos she has done before. (WARNING, people?? she looks so natural here compared to that shit) i don't know what people expect from her

truehappiness 17th June 2016 10:22 AM

I like the previews too~

Aderianu 17th June 2016 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by //ABEST (Post 3203827)
i don't know what people expect from her

seems fairyland and jewel, if they mention budget

MeyChan 17th June 2016 10:40 AM

I love both too!
She looks stunning, and about her acting... She is not the best actress, but I love her expressions... These are so... ¿Ayu? So, there is not problem for me.

And her real way of crying is not so different (softer, obviously, but similar)

But, well..., even when she cries because she needs everybody says that she is acting. This is so, so sad -_-+

truehappiness 17th June 2016 10:42 AM

I love the vibe of Mad World's PV!

Uknow! 17th June 2016 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MeyChan (Post 3203831)
I love both too!
She looks stunning, and about her acting... She is not the best actress, but I love her expressions... These are so... ¿Ayu? So, there is not problem for me.

And her real way of crying is not so different (softer, obviously, but similar)

But, well..., even when she cries because she needs everybody says that she is acting. This is so, so sad -_-+

That's why I love so much FLOWER's PV.

truehappiness 17th June 2016 10:48 AM

These PVs fit the current Ayu perfectly. I believe anyone expecting grandeur at this point for these songs may be stuck believing we are still in the early 2000s.

MeyChan 17th June 2016 10:57 AM

And FLOWER seems to be a one shot video with an only one try...
I think she is thinking "OMFG, Ayu, don't fuck it up......" xD

tenshi no hane 17th June 2016 11:00 AM

I really like them :heart Nice concepts, sets and outfits.

I'll never be a fan of her melodramatic acting, but I admit it suits FLOWER, so it doesn't bother me.

I'm really happy with the MADE IN JAPAN era~ I wanna make graphics now :laugh

xLuna&1LOVE 17th June 2016 11:09 AM

When I was watching this, I thought: YASSSSS!!!!!

1. Mad World: I really enjoy the second part, where she stands in front of the projections. I understood the message. It's really nice.

2. FLOWER: when I saw the previous I immediately called out the overdramatic gestures. The beginning was so lovely, when she acted as if she was a geisha princess (when I listen to this song and imagine myself in a fake video clip, I do the same gestures haha)

I am not sure if one take was really a good idea, because the flower crown got stuck in her hair, she hit the butterflies on her dress and sometimes she really felt out of sight in the video. But I think this is me complaining about nothing. I really think she did something very well and I can't wait to see both videoclips in full version.

Very happy that I bought CD+DVD

relmy 17th June 2016 11:11 AM

OH MY GOD SHE'S WEARING JEANS IN MAD WORLD. I love it, the start is just like all the photos we've had but in motion. It's like, she dressed the way she used to, showing us clips from the past. I mean, I guess she's giving the people who want to go back in time what they want!

I liked FLOWER too, yeah she's overdramatic but that's Ayu! I loved the part where she gets the hairpiece stuck - it seemed so accidental, but something that was kept. We would have never seen something so 'imperfect' from Ayu before.

I'm so excited for the full videos.I think she does much better work when she goes simple now (like Last Minute) than going dramatic (like Winter Diary).

Ryusei 17th June 2016 11:16 AM

God, what do people expect? Avex doesn't give out millions of budget for PVs anymore, not for her at least. Sure you can do more "expensive looking" things even with a small budget but I don't think these are bad at all they have emotion and meaning. FLOWER reminded me of Don't look back with the hair cutting and makeup smearing.

pepper 17th June 2016 11:16 AM

Im very disapointed with FLOWER PV cause she looks ridicolous acting like that. I feel embarassed watchinh this. Besides, this is nothing original. She done that in DLB and it was more deep and technically way more proffesional.

But Mad World wow! Thats the minimalistic type of video I love!! Meaningful and touching. Those screens damn...

Heavenly 17th June 2016 11:42 AM

Well, I couldn't resist. I watched the previews and I'm satisfied with them.
In FLOWER, the way she acts reminds me of the PVs directed by Shimoko...
And for MAD WORLD, it's very moving and meaningfull.

Do we know the nams of the directors ? (I assume Masashi Muto is ine the place...)

kinix 17th June 2016 11:45 AM

While looking at the news preview, I'm very interested in FLOWER and meh to Mad world. But upon seeing the short version of both, I've flipped my interest lol.

Mad world seems deep! 1st seeing her wearing something similar to her Life performance on ms during the 311. It gives a down to earth feel which might symbolise her start of singing career. Then a rough of ppl came n surround her as they dressed her up in diva style. After, a bucket of black ink thrown onto the floor and pollute/tainted her. Which might symbolise the power of the words by reporters and netizen critics of her. Have yet to see the full pv but this shd be a very meaningful PV! (Oh yeah and the video of her past being projected in the bg is so nice!)
FLOWER on the other hand.... don't quite like her acting there. She's acting like geisha but without the dress is weird and the crazy act seems like a breakdown. And the if we're to relate to the lyrics, she seems to became a crazy b after a torn relationship.... not what I really expected... but wait till the full PV! Hope it turns out awesome!

Heavenly 17th June 2016 11:53 AM

The only reproach I could make for the FLOWER pv is since the lyrics are full of metaphors, I expected a more poetic video, like JEWEL (not with diamonds though...) or Part of Me. Especially when she screams "Like a flower I wanna grow thorns" I imagined her standing in a bush of thorny branches (hello JEWEL!). The visuals of this album could have been sooooooo aesthetic.

But we all expect something different, she would never plainly satisfy everyone of us.

oaristos 17th June 2016 12:17 PM

Oh my, I'm just speechless right now. Both videos are amazing, I love how raw FLOWER looks, her outfit and makeup are beautiful and the angry acting suits the song perfectly :laugh On the other hand, Mad World is as beautiful as the song. I'm SO happy with how this album turned out! :heart

Alias 17th June 2016 12:21 PM

I like the stage part in Mad World a lot and those flashes of past video material at the background rolling...it's pretty touching. Also the song and MV seem to fit to each other well. What it comes to FLOWER...well, I like how ayu looks in the beginning (oriental style), but her over-acting and amateur style (which it's intentional for sure) don't appeal that much. But let's see how full MVs turn out. :)

Baernash 17th June 2016 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3203807)
For those of you (like me) who held on to the tiniest glimmer of hope that she would do something interesting for a change (since the music on the album was so promising) -- well, tough luck. Maybe on her 20th anniversary >.>

Maybe, who knows. I think she gave up on meaningful works a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Ayumi Romania (Post 3203813)
I think this PVs are bad and very rushed. I think this PVs were made in 1 or 2 days and looks like an amateurs work, nothing special and nothing interesting. It's really bad because the song have potential to make amazing PVs and I was expecting something better.

She had already PVs with similar concept. I'm not impressed with any of those. She's trying to show something meaningful but I feel like she's trying too hard and in effect we're getting very "fake" impression.

Saki-Chan 17th June 2016 12:48 PM

NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. Low budget ok.. but no creativity... Mad world is cute.. it reminds me of Pride but Flower? One word: STATIC. No dynamic... I miss pv like Microphone or Days or even Carols.

YakuSoku 17th June 2016 12:52 PM

I also expected much more cuts in FLOWER, since the instrumentals scream for changes in the video. I had rather made MAD WORLD a one shot. One shot actually fits more slower songs (like sweet scar). Her acting fits here perfectly. I can imagine that she looked like that during the recording of FLOWER :D .
Mad World gave me chills too *_* .
In Mad World the middle part was cut, but the video continued normally :/

erika_ayu 17th June 2016 01:02 PM

I love Mad World, it's like she is addressing how people always compare her to her past peak era.

4Seasons 17th June 2016 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by erika_ayu (Post 3203859)
I love Mad World, it's like she is addressing how people always compare her to her past peak era.

+1

But how does it relate to the lyrics?

The lyrics are about living in a bad world, a bad society... and the PV is about being a prisoner to her old "ayumi hamasaki" persona. I don't get the connection?

njanjayrp 17th June 2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Baernash (Post 3203852)
Maybe, who knows. I think she gave up on meaningful works a long time ago.


She had already PVs with similar concept. I'm not impressed with any of those. She's trying to show something meaningful but I feel like she's trying too hard and in effect we're getting very "fake" impression.

Just because it holds no meaning to you, it does not mean it has no meaning at all.

voltron 17th June 2016 01:25 PM

I'm really curious to see how they both turn out in full.

It's so weird, but I feel like the styling at the beginning of FLOWER, I can barely recognize her face. It seems like it'll be an interesting video. I just think it would be more impactful if we didn't have Step by step. The whole struggle/rebelling/hair cutting thing just feels very reminiscent to that concept.

UHPlus 17th June 2016 01:29 PM

To summarize what I saw:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/eKwd396bpkT2o/200.gif
https://media2.giphy.com/media/LwlmHdScI6SNW/200.gif
https://media4.giphy.com/media/8FvA8iwVQgw3C/200.gif
http://67.media.tumblr.com/05f357d6f...ha6uo1_500.gif

SEOHYUN 17th June 2016 01:30 PM

oh well...

https://anneliselestrange.files.word...down.gif?w=809

Deep snow 17th June 2016 01:46 PM

I don't *love* Mad World as a song, but the video looks all right.

As for FLOWER, I was hoping for a more stereotypical Japanese traditional vibe. I hope the one-cut is executed well.

What I could probably complain about is that she only selectively lip-syncs to the lyrics. I mean. It would have been better if, in the throes of all that *dramatic thrashing and cryinging and actinging*, she would stick to actually mouthing the lyrics. It just looks so off to me otherwise.

pimenta 17th June 2016 01:52 PM

I really like both MVs! They're simple, but no bad at all :heart

ShiraJemJem 17th June 2016 02:07 PM

FLOWER PV gives me chills.

Corvina 17th June 2016 02:11 PM

I really like both short versions. Looking forward to the full videos!
Actually I even like FLOWER better than Mad World.
It got me thinking...her appearance (make up, styling) and also her behaviour at the beginning is very Japanese, also the butterflies used on her hair and dress is one of the most used symbols in Japanese (pop) art culture. And then she goes on destroying the dress, cutting her hair, later smudging her Japanese make up... you seriously could interpret it as a really harsh critique on Japan in general.
And then the location, looking like a hotel room. Made me think of the time she "was running away" from Japan and her apology, also as a reason to end her first marriage.
Hm. Quite troubling.

Baernash 17th June 2016 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3203862)
Just because it holds no meaning to you, it does not mean it has no meaning at all.

We can always say that something has meaning even if we can't see it. I think saying that they are "emotionless" would be a better word than "meaningless". Her old works were able to makes me feel something: happiness, sadness... even made me cry. Those videos are just "emotionally fake". I like concept of "FLOWER" (kinda like "MOON" and "Don't look back") but I don't like Ayu's acting (overdramatic). "Mad World" has wasted potential (footage reminds me of "CAROLS" and "HEAVEN" or even "Angel") - there's something cheasy in it. Some people said new PVs are cheap but you can make "cheap" PV which is still cool ("Last minute").

Yoake 17th June 2016 02:19 PM

Give me the full videos now!!!!
I was surprised about Flower. The setting of the beginning is very similar to some of her other pvs but at the same time, I feel a very different vibe. The dress is wonderful(I'm a bit sad that she tore it). The scene in front of the mirror could remind Don't Look Back but I find it even stronger because she's doing the action in our presence and here she does it for fighting and not because she's crying in the "shadow". The message is very strong. And I hope that fans'll respect her wishes.

Mad World is amazing too. I love how she stands and sings straightforward in jeans. ♥ I love the contrast between the sadness of the song and the happy moments of the concert videos.

I'm in love with the direction of her pvs since last year. They're well-executed, meaningful and with a touch of modernity.


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Originally Posted by rainbow_smile (Post 3203808)
Apparently in the news report they said that she cuts her hair and rips her dress because she's trying to get rid of the lies she surrounded herself with, and also to get rid of the feelings that restrain her. I wan't the one translating this though.

That's what I though when I saw the video. Thanks for confirming it. :)

Warren 17th June 2016 02:30 PM

I'm so impressed with both of them! considering we got 2 brand new videos at the exact same time is a big deal. Most musicians release 1 every few months if you're lucky.

I love how dark and glamours they both are. They're exactly what I'm always searching for in music. And Ayu looks extra sublime in both of them.

Andrenekoi 17th June 2016 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Baernash (Post 3203881)
We can always say that something has meaning even if we can't see it. I think saying that they are "emotionless" would be a better word than "meaningless". Her old works were able to makes me feel something: happiness, sadness... even made me cry. Those videos are just "emotionally fake". I like concept of "FLOWER" (kinda like "MOON" and "Don't look back") but I don't like Ayu's acting (overdramatic). "Mad World" has wasted potential (footage reminds me of "CAROLS" and "HEAVEN" or even "Angel") - there's something cheasy in it. Some people said new PVs are cheap but you can make "cheap" PV which is still cool ("Last minute").

You are just projecting your own dislike for the videos as they were factual aspects of it when they aren't. She is obviously trying to convey a certain idea and a certain emotion with it, so you can't say it's "meanless" or "emotionless" objective facts. You can say you don't like it though.

Yuniz_hime 17th June 2016 03:05 PM

Why when I watched the preview for Mad World, Don't Look Back comes to my mind? In DLB, she stands in front of her old pictures. Now, she stands in front of her old videos. I like how simple she is at the beginning. I can't wait for the full version.

I like what I saw. But it would be better if Ayu wears kimono at the beginning because of the 'geisha position' plus the music also sounds oriental. But what is that on her dress? Butterfly?

Gustavopc 17th June 2016 03:09 PM

I wonder if I saw the same previews that people here are calling meaningless videos? If those are meaningless then y'all probably can't stand pop artists, I guess, ayu is really giving us concepta here from titles to looks

freedreamer 17th June 2016 03:24 PM

I think both PVs are actually go back to that A ONE idea of her coming back to her fans. She's trying to build the connection again.

in M(A)DE IN JAPAN, like someone mentioned, the whole idea is that...Ayu was a product MADE IN JAPAN but in the core of it all, she remains ayu. Maybe that's why the A is encased. And maybe another throwback symbolism to A ONE (ALONE).

in FLOWER, she seems to portray herself all so ideal and japanese. But then she's destroys all of that image. She doesnt want to be that product and put on that kind of facade.

in Mad World, everything seems natural. And then we have the scene of her made pretty, standing in front of a screen, devoid of emotions whereas on screen, she has SO MANY emotions. Smiles, Fierceness, Joy. But that's ON-SCREEN and she feels so helpless and alone standing there. When she is in her slacks, she cries. But when she is dolled up, she has to endure and and not shed tears. But she crumbles when the ink stains her.

I think it's all tying back together.

Chibi-Chan 17th June 2016 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3203825)
I love both. They have the rawness of her older videos (pre-MY STORY).

Same here. I also immediately thought of her older videos and so far I really like what I saw.

AyuWorld 17th June 2016 03:44 PM

Apart from Moon, Mad World reminds me oof Moment, where she laid in the black ink/stain. I love the beginning,where the REAL Ayu is shown and then we see how those people in the industry "make" her and create the product of Ayumi Hamasaki and she fell into the Mad World. The background screen is soo nostalgic, they choose the right ones, like from her peak era,during stadium tour, until her in the gym for AT07. loved those!

Flower, at first feels like recorded from a handycam, so raw. like some, I still prefer her wearing red kimono and would love to see many angles and screen transitions

spanishfan 17th June 2016 03:54 PM

I'm in love with both of them!
Now I can see a conection between both, but I have to wait till get them in full to see.

With FLOWER I thougt about don't look back and Mirrorcle World covers, with Mad World I thought about many past things, but the ink reminds me Moments too (like AyuWorld said)

Baernash 17th June 2016 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3203893)
You are just projecting your own dislike for the videos as they were factual aspects of it when they aren't. She is obviously trying to convey a certain idea and a certain emotion with it, so you can't say it's "meanless" or "emotionless" objective facts. You can say you don't like it though.

A lot of people here believe that she doesn't care about how other people (even fans) see her so... why to expect that she's putting any REAL emotions (if she don't care)? She's trying to portray herself as a victim of music industry but why anyone watching it should feel sorry about her? That she has to wear a nice dress or change her hairstyle for performance? She was always free to quit but she didn't, instead she became one of the most rich and influenced people in Japanese music industry.

Larisa-chan 17th June 2016 04:01 PM

I meant to post my thoughts a few weeks ago, but I forgot. XD So after hearing this album in good quality, I ended up REALLY liking it over all.

As for the PVs, they both share similar themes but I love them both. This is the Ayu I've known and loved, and it's bittersweet to see her back (I don't like seeing her so upset, but I feel like she's gotten in touch with her true self after a few years of wandering off). Yes, these concepts were explored in previous PVs (i.e. Don't Look Back, alterna, etc.) and may not be the most original concepts, or have the most expensive budgets, but I love the execution in both PVs, especially FLOWER. I can’t wait to see what happens in that one, especially. I'm also surprised that neither PV is the PV for the song Breakdown, since that's what's happening in both PVs XD

4Seasons 17th June 2016 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Baernash (Post 3203907)
A lot of people here believe that she doesn't care about how other people (even fans) see her so... why to expect that she's putting any REAL emotions (if she don't care)? She's trying to portray herself as a victim of music industry but why anyone watching it should feel sorry about her? That she has to wear a nice dress or change her hairstyle for performance? She was always free to quit but she didn't, instead she became one of the most rich and influenced people in Japanese music industry.

At first I agreed with your posts, but what you said here ^ makes it pretty clear to me you think the videos are "meaningless"/"emotionless" just based on personal bias against the story she's telling.

Andrenekoi 17th June 2016 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Baernash (Post 3203907)
A lot of people here believe that she doesn't care about how other people (even fans) see her so... why to expect that she's putting any REAL emotions (if she don't care)? She's trying to portray herself as a victim of music industry but why anyone watching it should feel sorry about her? That she has to wear a nice dress or change her hairstyle for performance? She was always free to quit but she didn't, instead she became one of the most rich and influenced people in Japanese music industry.

She is a performer. Expecting her emotions to be real everytime she is performing is like wanting an actor to really become a drug addicted in order to play a role.

Also, the most we can all agree she had and has a pretty privileged life, and that she is on a better place than almost everyone else in the world, having every little aspect of your personal life analyzed by a random of strangers with nothing better to do, being pressured to keep, by herself, the gainings and attention of the biggest music companies of the 2nd biggest music market (as she did until 2005), pressured to have a certain image, of releasing a certain number of works every year and being aware that it doesn't matter what she archieve, it will always be looked down compared of something she did almost 2 decades ago isn't really easy. Artists half her size tend to have huge emotional breakdowns they sometimes never recover from. And I'm not even going into how her body deretiorated over the years because of her job (the deafness being the most obvious part of it).

Do I think she is some poor victim of the world? Nops (but it does sell music). Do I think she had it easy? Not even close.

relmy 17th June 2016 04:55 PM

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to view of the overdramatic acting in the video as part of the point. The exaggerated movements at the start, the way she rips the dress etc... Of course, we don't have the whole video yet, but she is teasing us with what we've seen.

It's as if her actions are part of the mask alongside the headpiece, hair, dress. Almost as if she's being over the top because when she's simple people always say "I want more".

Or it could just be that's how she acts. But she was very dramatic in Last Minute, and that felt very different to the almost on purpose way it's done in FLOWER. I'm excited for the rest.

Chris85 17th June 2016 05:06 PM

Angel PV prepared me for overacting in FLOWER. Almost prepared.
Still nice to see new videos, I never expect much from her PVs anyway. Too spoiled by Mylene Farmer early music videos.

Andrenekoi 17th June 2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by relmy (Post 3203923)
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to view of the overdramatic acting in the video as part of the point. The exaggerated movements at the start, the way she rips the dress etc... Of course, we don't have the whole video yet, but she is teasing us with what we've seen.

It's as if her actions are part of the mask alongside the headpiece, hair, dress. Almost as if she's being over the top because when she's simple people always say "I want more".

Or it could just be that's how she acts. But she was very dramatic in Last Minute, and that felt very different to the almost on purpose way it's done in FLOWER. I'm excited for the rest.

For a pop star IMO Ayu is actually a pretty decent music video actress... People are always bitching that she is too over dramatic when videos like Flower are released, but she actually does have pvs were her acting is more natural and more subtle (Sweet Scar being a good example of one-shot pv with more subtle acting) on the same way she has videos were her acting is more caricatural (Mirrorcle World).

Either she wakes up some days being able to act or not being able to act, or the way she acts on the videos is part of the idea.

But people around her tends to mistake not liking something for something being poorly done, cheap or rushed, so...

JesA 17th June 2016 05:14 PM

Well I wholeheartedly disagree with the sentiments about these PV's being good :-/

I think the album itself is her best work since Love Again... but these PV's are just disappointing cop-outs that clearly took a like an hour, each, to film.

It's devoid of artistry, and downright boring to me. The majority of the clips we saw consist of Ayu standing there singing..one in color, one grayscale.

Utter disappointment, when there's so much more they could've done.

truehappiness 17th June 2016 05:19 PM

You cannot seriously say you expected more when this era is all about doing "simple". So far she hasn't really had one thing that has been super extravagant promotion-wise aside from the tour.

And if it's missing artistry, then I think you need to perhaps rethink what 'art' is. It doesn't always have to smack you across the head obviously to be artistic.

relmy 17th June 2016 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi (Post 3203927)
For a pop star IMO Ayu is actually a pretty decent music video actress... People are always bitching that she is too over dramatic when videos like Flower are released, but she actually does have pvs were her acting is more natural and more subtle (Sweet Scar being a good example of one-shot pv with more subtle acting) on the same way she has videos were her acting is more caricatural (Mirrorcle World).

That's why I think it's done on purpose. She has far more videos where she looks totally natural and comfortable than awkward or unrealistically dramatic. This video is overdramatic in a totally different way to something like the Snowy Kiss/Wake me up saga. Right down to her hand movements in FLOWER - it's all part of giving us the message. She probably knows people call her overly dramatic!

Considering that the preview for Mad World isn't the normal first 2 minutes of the clip deal, she's really making sure nobody can misunderstand her with these videos and the album. You can really tell everything came together for her on this album.

Tom Punks 17th June 2016 05:34 PM

Everything about FLOWER is horrible. The lighting, the composition, the acting, EVERYTHING. Such a travesty for one of her best songs in a long ass time. I'm legitimately SO embarrassed for her. This is right down there with XOXO for worst things she's ever put out.

Mad World looks good so far tho.

marekcarey 17th June 2016 05:52 PM

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MeyChan 17th June 2016 05:59 PM

Ayu isn't as overdramatic as her fans. That's for sure................

DonkeyKongRemix 17th June 2016 06:11 PM

Hmm, I liked them. I didn't hate them, that's for sure. They aren't her best work but that's ok because I can see that part of the point is just wanting to be her.

There are things I could've seen going differently for FLOWER but oh well. One thing I wanted to comment on is the fact that it's one shot adds to the feelings conveyed. I feel like doing the video that way forces the audience to want to breathe, or blink. It almost creates this claustrophobic feeling.

Btw, I really like the super dark hair on her in that PV along with her makeup. Pretty, though I know it all ends up looking pretty wrecked at the end. XD

Next_Level29 17th June 2016 06:22 PM

referring to flower:
everyone expected a song similar to mr. darling, instead of flower being flower
If i came in touch with flower the first time by seeing the musicvideo (without hearing any previews) it would have been a shock to me.(positve shock! )
i still love it and the MV makes my love even stronger.
Flower is my surprising 'love song' 2016. im listenig every day to it and i dont see a time coming where im sick of it.

Mari-chan 17th June 2016 06:32 PM

Is there somewhere a Rip to download? I can't watch it.

indigochild 17th June 2016 06:49 PM

I can't with the dramatics in this thread :laugh Even going as far as saying THEY'RE "embarrassed" for her? As if she gives a fuck lol Never change AHS. The mess is entertaining :popcorn

voltron 17th June 2016 06:52 PM

I'm personally not a fan of her more sporadic/dramatic acting, like in Flower -- I prefer more subtle. That said, she is clearly doing it purposefully and that is fine.

So many people hating on Flower who probably think Mirrorcle World is brilliant, when she's doing the same thing.

//ABEST 17th June 2016 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by voltron (Post 3203940)
So many people hating on Flower who probably think Mirrorcle World is brilliant, when she's doing the same thing.

:yes and she still nailed it! i wish people here were on industry and made their perfect 1M$ 3months shooting videos

js_surrealism 17th June 2016 07:01 PM

Lol I don't think these videos are meaningless -- sure, there's meaning and intent behind them -- but I think that they are just lame as fuck. There, I said it.

There's nothing remotely interesting or innovative about the execution, nor does she seem to have anything remotely interesting to say.

For those who say that this era is about doing 'simple' - yea, like how she basically dug deep into the recesses of her complex soul to decide that a clean shot of her smiling at the camera is the most groundbreaking concept ever for the covers of the TA edition of the album, amirite?

There's nothing wrong with a simple, pared down video. I think Utada Hikaru's PV for "Hikari" was simple but beautifully executed (and I am always first and foremost an Ayu fan before I am a Hikki fan).

I honestly feel like she should have just released the album WITHOUT any PVs because the existence of these videos is seriously marring my experience of the album. Flower is such a powerful song, and watching her flail like that just undercuts everything with humour for me. Can't take it seriously at all.

EDIT:

Rewatched the Flower clip again JUST to see if there are any redeeming factors that I might have missed out on and all I can uncover are EVEN more flaws, like the false start to the vocal part just before she starts singing at the start, like she was gonna sing too early and changed her gestures to save it. It's like they couldn't even be arsed to do a new take to rectify that. -_-

TheRainbow 17th June 2016 07:02 PM

I like FLOWER except for the almost-required crying lol.

Raiu-Ayu 17th June 2016 07:13 PM

All I can say is I'm glad I don't use AHS opinions as a guide for critiquing work... "it needs to be classic yet new and modern, a hint of understated while being dramatic, high fashion but simple and laid-back, nothing like we expect but always exactly what we demand!" Y'all are fecking fruit loops.

I actually like the videos. I find Mad World bit confusing with the whole nature element then there is absolutely nothing natural in the video. Like go to a forest or garden or at least stand in the outdoor section of Home Depot. FLOWER I love. There's something so Japanese about it. She doesn't need to be draped in a kimono surrounded by sakura trees and anime so give off a Japanese feel. Her attitude, her styling and the things she's doing are kind of symbolic of Japanese dramas. Totally MADE IN JAPAN. Mad World could have that connection too I guess, with her idea that "look, I was MADE IN JAPAN" (fashion change and images in the back) but also destroyed by Japan (the ink)

js_surrealism 17th June 2016 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiu-Ayu (Post 3203946)
All I can say is I'm glad I don't use AHS opinions as a guide for critiquing work... "it needs to be classic yet new and modern, a hint of understated while being dramatic, high fashion but simple and laid-back, nothing like we expect but always exactly what we demand!" Y'all are fecking fruit loops.

Who's saying that tho?

Andrenekoi 17th June 2016 07:49 PM

^^I think people took the trees and winds on mad world a bit too literally :P

js_surrealism 17th June 2016 07:51 PM

Just going through her PV discography again. Damn, Rock'n'roll circus, one of my least favourite of her albums, really had a great run of PVs in them. That feels like an eternity ago but it's really only been 6 years lol.

//ABEST 17th June 2016 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by js_surrealism (Post 3203943)
There's nothing wrong with a simple, pared down video. I think Utada Hikaru's PV for "Hikari" was simple but beautifully executed (and I am always first and foremost an Ayu fan before I am a Hikki fan).

wait what? you are an ayu fan? i've never seen you say anything good about her

Ryusei 17th June 2016 08:01 PM

I don't get how she was supposed to act in FLOWER, you don't look pretty or see that you have perfect expressions when you're having a breakdown which is clearly what's happening there. Also the wrong start of lipsyncing is such a reach as well as her not getting the head-piece out of her hair, it was just a wig and she obviously wasnt careful about taking it out, cause it didnt matter, it's not her hair. For how severe the vocals are I couldnt really picture her with a calmer expression (at least for the chorus) + we haven't seen the full thing yet even...

What concerns me more: where is the 2nd verse of Mad World?

relmy 17th June 2016 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryusei (Post 3203955)

What concerns me more: where is the 2nd verse of Mad World?

They've probably just edited the short version to show the later part of the song, instead of the first minute or 2. Probably wanted us to see the costume change and her singing with the old clips. Probably because that part shows the whole message she's been going for this era so well.

TheRainbow 17th June 2016 08:06 PM

^That worries me too--I want the full song to have a video.

ExodusUK 17th June 2016 08:26 PM

Wow..there's nothing interesting, shocking or anything at stake about cutting of hair when we knows its obviously a wig.

js_surrealism 17th June 2016 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by //ABEST (Post 3203953)
wait what? you are an ayu fan? i've never seen you say anything good about her

Yea....try harder. The post I made that is literally just above yours is literally me praising something that she did. I also liked MIJ the album a lot, but the visual aspect has been nothing but a complete fail for me.

One can be a fan of an artist without having to blindly love everything she does, especially when there are clear deficiencies in the work...

TheRainbow 17th June 2016 08:28 PM

... Yes, she should mess up her real hair for a music video. :rolleyes

YakuSoku 17th June 2016 08:41 PM

And I thought, FLOWER was recorded when she didn´t has her hair cut :D
Crucial, how the wig seems to be present :o

Oh and don´t use words like "hate"- it´s such a strong word to be wasted only for a video.
It almost seems like a inflational word, like the meaning is losing its original fierceness...

DevilHunter_04 17th June 2016 08:52 PM

I like both pv's so far but I can't wait to see the rest of Mad World's. It's my favorite song from the album so far and watching the video gave me such chills.


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