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Shiso 27th November 2004 06:35 PM

"humming 7/4".... o.O
 
Still a rumour... but some people say that it's confirmed by TeamAyu members that one of Ayu's new PVs will be called "humming 7/4".....

Some native english speakers... can someone explain what does this title mean? My dictionary shows only stupid meanings of the "humming" word that don't make any sense... and what's the "7/4"?

If someone knows - please share your knowlegde :P

//hikari 27th November 2004 06:43 PM

humming is when you sing along with the song but don't use words and your mouth is closed ... like when people say "hmmm" that's humming without a tune ... o.O lol

jerms 27th November 2004 06:45 PM

im a native english speaker. the title makes no sense to me. i think she tried to say "24/7" but wrote it wrong. (24/7 = 24 hours a day, 7 days a week) it probably was supposed to mean she's always humming.

walking proud 27th November 2004 06:46 PM

i'm a native english speaker and 7/4 means nothing to me, haha, Unless she meant "24/7", that means all day every day. humming is when you close your mouth and sing a tune.. yeah.. like "Hmmmm hm hmmm hmmm" sort of thing ^^

Delirium-Zer0 27th November 2004 06:49 PM

7/4 = 7 beats per measure, quarter note gets the beat.

Hard to imagine a pop star using this time signature though.

Larisa-chan 27th November 2004 07:03 PM

and then there's always 7/4 which could signify as a date. Perhaps she recorded the song July 4th (or April 7th..)

//hikari 27th November 2004 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0
7/4 = 7 beats per measure, quarter note gets the beat.

Hard to imagine a pop star using this time signature though.

care to go more in depth?

Delirium-Zer0 27th November 2004 07:17 PM

I suppose....

Most pop songs, you can tap your foot and count "one, two, three, four" along to the beat over and over, and it feels natural. The time signature in those cases is usually 4/4, or four beats to a measure. You can usually tell the start of a measure because the first beat is louder, or more accentuated. (sometimes it's the last one).

Alot of times for ballads it can also be "one, two, three, one, two, three" that you can count. In those cases the time signature is 3/4, or three beats to a measure. If you listen to classical music, Waltzes follow this time.

Time signatures like 7/4 (in this case, you'd probably count "One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, One, two, three, four, five, six, seven...") are very RARELY used because they're hard for the casual music fan to follow. 4/4 and 3/4 are very simple. 7/4 I've heard used by underground artists like Tori Amos and classic rock bands like Led Zeppelin.

The definition of music is really just "Organized sound". How it's organized can vary alot, but most techniques that could be used very rarely are.

//hikari 27th November 2004 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0
I suppose....

Most pop songs, you can tap your foot and count "one, two, three, four" along to the beat over and over, and it feels natural. The time signature in those cases is usually 4/4, or four beats to a measure. You can usually tell the start of a measure because the first beat is louder, or more accentuated. (sometimes it's the last one).

Alot of times for ballads it can also be "one, two, three, one, two, three" that you can count. In those cases the time signature is 3/4, or three beats to a measure. If you listen to classical music, Waltzes follow this time.

Time signatures like 7/4 (in this case, you'd probably count "One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, One, two, three, four, five, six, seven...") are very RARELY used because they're hard for the casual music fan to follow. 4/4 and 3/4 are very simple. 7/4 I've heard used by underground artists like Tori Amos and classic rock bands like Led Zeppelin.

The definition of music is really just "Organized sound". How it's organized can vary alot, but most techniques that could be used very rarely are.

ooo ok I know what you mean now >.< thanks :) lol got confused there

DarkAyumi 27th November 2004 07:24 PM

Thanks a lot for the clarification, that sounds really cool! I didn't know she knew that much about music, but it could always be a linguistic mistake for 24/7, which is a figure of speech used a lot, meaning "Twenty-Four hours a day, 7 days a week." It could be talking about the constant role that music plays in her everyday life... ^-^
Okay, I know I'm stretching, it could be something totally different. I think the idea of it being a date is a really great one too, ya never know. :)

Delirium-Zer0 27th November 2004 07:29 PM

It's more likely a date than the other two, to be honest. I doubt she'd make an error as big as turning 24/7 into 7/4. 7/24 maybe, but she wouldn't omit the 2 completely. that'd be just silly.

BanFan 27th November 2004 07:45 PM

I think it has to do with the beat thing, not anything with dates.

Hok 27th November 2004 08:35 PM

Could be a major major typo, but I suppose it's July 4, or 4th of July. But I have a thing against using numbers in song titles.

jerms 27th November 2004 09:51 PM

omg i just realized 7/4 really is july 4th. hahaha

_CREA_ 27th November 2004 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerms
omg i just realized 7/4 really is july 4th. hahaha

I noticed that right away...maybe it's some sort of twisted sequel to July 1st... :laugh

I think that'd be really cool if it was in 7/4 though. I don't think I've heard a song in 7/4, even though I play instruments and have played quite a few screwy time signatures myself, I've never come across it. I'd like to hear a song like that.

Then again, this could just be some weird rumor.

Hazard 27th November 2004 10:26 PM

For an example of a 7/4 song, Gackt's seven is written in 7/4 time.
The first thing I tought of when hearing this song title, I thought of 24/7, so it may be what she meant. Though, the 7/4 time signature and 7-4 date both seem plausible at this point, too. *shrugs* We may never know. =^.^=

Shiso 27th November 2004 10:36 PM

Thanks for all explanations guys!

_CREA_ 27th November 2004 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazard
For an example of a 7/4 song, Gackt's seven is written in 7/4 time.
The first thing I tought of when hearing this song title, I thought of 24/7, so it may be what she meant. Though, the 7/4 time signature and 7-4 date both seem plausible at this point, too. *shrugs* We may never know. =^.^=

It is? Hm...I'm not sure if I've heard that song or not...but then, if it's Gackt, his birthday is 7/4, so he's obsessed with that anyway. :laugh

I also thought of 24/7 when I saw the title...I thought of basically everything that's been mentioned EXCEPT for the 7/4 time signature. Anything's possible.

This is turning into the 0630 thing again...

Corybobory 27th November 2004 10:59 PM

Ayu is just full of suprises

...and mysteries

sxesven 27th November 2004 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0
7/4 = 7 beats per measure, quarter note gets the beat.

Hard to imagine a pop star using this time signature though.

Indeed, would be very nice to hear Ayu doing that though.

Corybobory 27th November 2004 11:27 PM

^I'm not a fan of odd time sigs... you can never go wrong with the old 4/4.

I had a horrible experience with a 5/4.

ImpactBreaker 28th November 2004 12:25 AM

Why are people surprised? If it happens to be true, well, Ayu has been using technical terms in some of her last songs lately: Memorial adress, A Song for XX.

I highly doubt it is a date though.

Ibitsu Kokoro 28th November 2004 01:05 AM

Ayu bought a hummer on 7/4/04.

jerms 28th November 2004 03:23 AM

^:laugh


so..one measure has 4 notes? cool. everytime i think of a 4/4 song, ayumi's "naturally" flies in my head.

Hok 28th November 2004 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayuspeed
Ayu bought a hummer on 7/4/04.

LMAO. Who would expect a hummer?

Ibitsu Kokoro 28th November 2004 04:33 AM

Actually guys it's probablly a july 4th song. If in fact, it is even true. I just realized we are all assuming that this is going to be an actual song. It may be fake.

BanFan 28th November 2004 05:13 AM

Didn't TeamAyu members say it was true and the PV was filmed?

ImpactBreaker 28th November 2004 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayuspeed
Actually guys it's probablly a july 4th song.

Why would she make a July 4th song? That doesn't make much sense lol She made July 1st because it is the day after June 30th, an important date to her. (That reminds me of the people who thinks the }{ single was made as a US independency commemoration just because of the song "independent" and "July 1st", which is completely nonsense imo LOL :laugh)

jerms 28th November 2004 05:54 AM

lol yeah july 4th isnt even a japanese holiday.

PickleCookies 28th November 2004 06:04 AM

Whatever it means, it's still a crappy title.

extepan 28th November 2004 06:04 AM

is july 1st a holiday in japan then?

Corybobory 28th November 2004 06:07 AM

Maybe she celebrates Canada Day :D

jerms 28th November 2004 06:37 AM

no, but july 1st is a special date for ayu in several ways, i'm just too lazy to think of any. (something about spring?)

ImpactBreaker 28th November 2004 06:46 AM

In june 30th she joins together with her best friends and they party all night (they probably go to a gay bar and get drunk LOL just kidding :laugh) until the sun sets the next day, being the next day, July 1st. That's why she made the song.

PickleCookies 28th November 2004 06:57 AM

So July 1st is hangover day?

ImpactBreaker 28th November 2004 07:12 AM

Yep! :yes Seems like she really goes to a gay bar on June 30th indeed O_o;;;; :laugh (being independent the song about her party with friends and July 1st the day after). I went to masa's site and read his article on the RAINBOW album and he talks about the "H" songs.

Quote:

As "independent" was made for the opening song of a baseball game broadcast on TV, it's thought to have been made in March, the earliest among the three songs. It was for the first time for her to make such a lively and speedy song. (Though the content of the lyrics is not so lively.) The intertwined sounds of the twin guitars like two gliders flying low charm me. As this song was bright and associated with summer, she had a plan to make a single with summer as its theme and wrote the other two. And I hear she did it in the quite short period between ARENA TOUR and OPEN AIR LIVE --- surprising.
    There are two usual summer events to me. One is the party held
  every year on June 30, the birthday of the owner of this bar (in Tokyo),
  when many old friends of mine I can't usually see gather here. To me,
  that is the one and only unhealthy night of the year, from June 30 to
  July 1st. (Laugh) ... (omission) ... And the other is the event of watching
  fireworks after gathering at the shop of my acquaintance near the sea
  in August every year ...                 ("Zappy" Aug. 2002)
  This article makes it clear why the second song is titled strangely as "July 1st." But the scene sung about in this song is not the party place at night but the sea in the daytime. Why? --- In fact, there was one more thing which lead her to make this song. In the interview of "Hamasaki Republic", she and the interviewer were talking as below, looking at a photo of the sea in a magazine.
  O: How do you think about the sentence? ("If it's fine tomorrow, let's
   go to the sea.")
  A: Nice. I'm glad to hear someone tell me so, for example. A family
   member or a friend or a boyfriend. Because if someone tell me so,
   I'm in his or her future. I'm in his or her tomorrow. I'm glad of that.
                             ("Hamasaki Republic")
  The sensitiveness of her heart to feel the human warmth in a commonplace sentence. Maybe the photo and the sentence remained in her memory then, and revived when she was going to make "July 1st", a song of friendship. When the two things which apparently have no relation but are substantially close link together, a poem is born. This is what many poets have related as their own experience of making poems, though she doesn't know it maybe. Her poetic quality is seen well here, too. It can be said that "July 1st" is the type of song she made for the first time as well as "independent." As she herself described it suitably as "though the lyrics are bright, there are some minor parts in the melody, but never lacking in released feelings", I think it's a beautiful song with a thread of sadness in the brightness.
source: http://homepage2.nifty.com/morimasa/ayu.html

kournikova 28th November 2004 07:30 AM

wew... im confused...

jerms 28th November 2004 05:53 PM

back to notes and measures, was "angel's song" 4/4 or 8/4?
and is surreal 4/4 or 5/4?

ImpactBreaker 28th November 2004 06:02 PM

Even with all the explanation I still don't understand that. :rolleyes I'm to silly to understand technical music stuff (I never even had any musical classes)

jerms 28th November 2004 06:49 PM

OH. and what the bleep is forgiveness?!

Delirium-Zer0 28th November 2004 07:30 PM

Forgiveness is 6/8. that's why counting "one two three" doesn't QUITE feel right, but if you count the whole way to six it fits a bit more.

HANABI ~episode II~ is a complex one too... it's 3/8 for most of the song but switches to 4/4 at the instrumental break (the part where we see punky ayu in the PV).

Someone go download "Spark" by tori amos. See if you can count that one. She actually uses some 4/4 measures, some 6/8 measures, and some 2/4 measures. It's nuts.

nmskalmn 28th November 2004 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerms
back to notes and measures, was "angel's song" 4/4 or 8/4?
and is surreal 4/4 or 5/4?

You can download the sheet music from the topic in the downloads forum to check. Apparently Surreal is 4/4. Dunno if ANGEL'S SONG was posted in there or not.

Delirium-Zer0 28th November 2004 07:35 PM

They're both 4/4.

_CREA_ 28th November 2004 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayuspeed
Ayu bought a hummer on 7/4/04.

:idea

The Hummer limo in the INSPIRE video! :OMG


Honestly though, I think we're analyzing this a bit too closely for something that isn't officially official yet. :yes

ohsixthirty 29th November 2004 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _CREA_
:idea

The Hummer limo in the INSPIRE video! :OMG


Honestly though, I think we're analyzing this a bit too closely for something that isn't officially official yet. :yes

Officially official? :D


I agree though...probably another rumor...

mui-gei-tal 29th November 2004 03:49 AM

wow...i'm confused.

gakkun 29th November 2004 04:23 AM

I think Ayu herself said on TA that the song starts with 1/3 (or something) and changes to 7/4 in the middle of the song.

tl1029530921 29th November 2004 04:34 AM

1/3.......--"?...i dont think thats even possible..haha=P

Kazuko 29th November 2004 05:35 AM

oO;; what?

MedJohn 29th November 2004 04:29 PM

1/3 is impossible... u must hv a multiple of 2 to be the denominator, ie. sth/4, sth/8, etc.

HANABI ~episode II~ is in 6/8, not 3/8, but it does change to 4/4 in the interlude

ayu said herself that the song is in 7/4, but i wonder how the drummer plays 7/4...
*looking forward*

anyway, nobody counts 7/4 as 'one, two, three, ..., six, seven'
it's too awkward
it's either counted as 3/4 + 4/4 or vice versa
ie. 'one, two, three, one, two, three, four' or vice versa

extepan 29th November 2004 04:56 PM

this thread becomes too technical for me to understand....

_CREA_ 30th November 2004 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MedJohn
1/3 is impossible... u must hv a multiple of 2 to be the denominator, ie. sth/4, sth/8, etc.

HANABI ~episode II~ is in 6/8, not 3/8, but it does change to 4/4 in the interlude

ayu said herself that the song is in 7/4, but i wonder how the drummer plays 7/4...
*looking forward*

anyway, nobody counts 7/4 as 'one, two, three, ..., six, seven'
it's too awkward
it's either counted as 3/4 + 4/4 or vice versa
ie. 'one, two, three, one, two, three, four' or vice versa

I have no idea how a person would count that, honestly. Even with the counting you said, it's a bit awkward...the only thing I'd find remotely comfortable would be "one, two, three, four, one, two, three" but even then I don't see how that works.

I really need to listen to a 7/4 song.

And you're right about the 1/3 thing for sure...unless they've just invented a "third note" or a "sixth note" or something.

y2687 30th November 2004 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extepan
this thread becomes too technical for me to understand....

totally O_o


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