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deceitXblue 15th December 2004 04:21 AM

Thoughts on Walking Proud PV
 
What ya guys think about the PV ? I think its really great...but its kinda complicated though..... =/ Anyone care to explain ? Thankiezz :P

PickleCookies 15th December 2004 04:22 AM

Thoughts on Walking Proud PV
 
Eh, it was rather confusing. I'm not going to be analytical about it, because 1. I'm lazy and 2. I don't care. The little boy was quite annoying.

The first thought that came to mind after the tunnel thing was the Kanariya PV. O_o

*yawn* I'm bored yet again. :thud

Yay for more worthless Ayu PVs. :grumpy

PickleCookies 15th December 2004 04:23 AM

Mods, please merge the threads.

Thanks.

deceitXblue 15th December 2004 04:23 AM

O_o .. lol i created a topic just like this a minute before you. ^^;;

FancySN 15th December 2004 04:25 AM

I thought the little boy was really cute with the whole "blue candy" thing. But the robot-people and the whole lying-on-the-message-table-theme was too weird. This PV just looks...hurried?

The absolute BEST part was the end, when she pulled down the cover off that thing.

deceitXblue 15th December 2004 04:29 AM

Guesses on whats under the cover? =P

St3ph 15th December 2004 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PickleCookies
The first thought that came to mind after the tunnel thing was the Kanariya PV. O_o

And I thought I would be the only one that thought that >_> Har har. I love the little boy with the "do you want candy?" to that big ol' mean tree... thingy. It was really pretty, 'cept I can't really see any meaning behind it. Wee.

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Originally Posted by deceitXblue
Guesses on whats under the cover? =P

Ayu? I dunno, I only watched the PV twice, but I seriously thought it was herself...

Mitkki 15th December 2004 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by St3ph
Ayu? I dunno, I only watched the PV twice, but I seriously thought it was herself...

But as a robot.

It was interesting. I need a lot more watches to get an idea of what's going on, but I liked it. :D or more than the other PVs on the dvd anyway.

JinHamasaki 15th December 2004 04:58 AM

That was a great PV, the imagery, the scenary, the special effects.

I love how Ayu belted out those notes after the bridge. So emotional.

And when Ayu walked up to the thing, I was puzzled for a second. And whens he pulled it with such intensity, my heart skipped a beat.

But ALAS, as an Ayu PV, it still remains a mystery.

Just like the "No way to say" PV. I wonder if there is something in Ayu's life.

lolo66 15th December 2004 06:07 AM

Cute voice over with the cute little boy, Ayu's sining is soft and smooth. imagery is nice, but it wasn't too spectular. Maybe because it lacked moments.

SheFliesHigher 15th December 2004 06:12 AM

The person under the sheet was her, in robot form. I watched the last few seconds a few times and I am sure of it. I don't understand what it means though. Maybe nothing.

lolo66 15th December 2004 06:37 AM

It's an old trick that's been use over and over again for god knows how long.

JinHamasaki 15th December 2004 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SheFliesHigher
The person under the sheet was her, in robot form. I watched the last few seconds a few times and I am sure of it. I don't understand what it means though. Maybe nothing.

Ah, I paused it. She has that blue thing, whatever that means.

gogirlanime 15th December 2004 06:41 AM

I had the feeling of "No Way to Say" at the end, the tunnel reminded me of "Kanariya" and the boy reminded me of the girl in "Dearest" and the scenery remindes me of a happier "Daybreak" This PV was cool, I absolutly adore Ayu in that short black hair! I like that kinda of cut and color put together! The PV overall, I give it a 7/10 I liked it, but there are better PVs, like Daybreak! *beams with pride*

lilithberi 15th December 2004 06:50 AM

the boi was cute..but repeatly say :do you want blue cnady" is annoying

Ayu with short black hair is pretty, but too much mirroring of Kanariya... and the point of that look?? Queen Ants???

The thing under cover is Ayu itself, isn't it?? the last second show Ayu's face... is it like Discovering herself????

ahh..this PV is pretty and confusing..... ^^

Hugo_Perry 15th December 2004 06:59 AM

In the endin' it's Hamasaki Ayumi herself in a robot-like under the cover! :luv2

FancySN 15th December 2004 07:00 AM

I think the part with her on the massaging talbe thing was when the Robot Ayu was being made. And then at the end, Real Ayu goes up to the sheet and pulls down the cover to show the finishd product--the robot that was the Ayu on the table.

Juya Chan 15th December 2004 07:20 AM

Good question. I'm not sure either. To me, i just notice a lot of contrast. For example, in the beginning, there is the innocent child offering candy to something that looks like the grim reaper! Perhaps is it like a childhood acquaintence with death?

I have no clue what is with those other two guys tho. They look like they are middle eastern, but also robots. maybe a political or global message?

anyway, it's also interesting that underground with the busy ants is shiny ayu's secret lair! lol Tho for some reason i'm vaguely reminded of britney's jeweled outfit from her Toxic video.. prolly not supposed to be related tho ^_^`
anyway, those are just my guesses based on watching it once through... anyone with other ideas?? :)

Larisa-chan 15th December 2004 07:32 AM

::has nightmares after watching this one::

I liked it alot, but it was a little dull =/ it was certainly eye candy though. Probably the best or second best PV (after Moments) to come since Free & Easy. The robot guy walking around was SO distracting!! haha.. and the guy just sitting there staring was so unsettling x.x The little kid got annoying :B but omg, that was so freaky he was asking that black scarecrow thing if he wanted candy. @.@ I don't think I could tell you the meaning of this PV if it has one...

and yeah, that's Ayu under that sheet and she's the robot. Look at her shoulder, it's got the same robotic thing as those 3 other people in the PV.

Echiko 15th December 2004 09:48 AM

This one is VERY difficult to dissect. =/ I think we hit most of the main points but how the blue candy...or the blueness...or the scarecrow...> <; I don't understand...

It was a nice PV though. =D The nature...the effects...the singing...NICE! But that robot guy...ai...> >;; I found myself kept staring at what the heck he was doing! It was FUNNy. XDD

Let-Go 15th December 2004 11:21 AM

the uhh XD "tattoed diamonds" reminded me of "Toxic" i was going to open a threath but some ppl already know what's behind the sheet...

http://img146.exs.cx/img146/2886/ocopy2mi.jpg

Scary yet awsome,intresting...love it xD

Cyria 15th December 2004 11:41 AM

I liked the PV. I felt it was different in a good way from the PVs we've had since Moments. It may not have been that complicated but it looked like more time had been spent on it than on some of the recent PVs. Black-haired Ayu in the white room/framed photo was beautiful, the pink flower dress and the blue butterflies too. The man with the strange moves was distracting though, I wish he'd just sat there like the old man.

nanami606 15th December 2004 12:26 PM

This PV really made me think. Cause back in the summer I had a dream about aliens and Ayu. Ayu was lieing on a table and they were glueing those glittery things on her. Ayu was one of them. Their princess or something.

And when I saw the same thing in the PV, I got a weird feeling. Not that I'm saying that Ayu is an alien or something. But the blue robotic people...

Lumix 15th December 2004 04:36 PM

Am I the only one who think its clear? I don't like this PV, it's sad. :/ I think the meaning is.. people are using so much electronics, don't you think so? Everything in this PV is electric. That nature is visible after pushing button. So this PV is picture of eletronical people trying to be natural, as they were before. Hm?

And at the end of that tunnel (in core of world) is the last full human - Ayumi with black hair.

bernardation 15th December 2004 04:43 PM

worst ayumi pv ever !!!

kinix 15th December 2004 05:01 PM

Something to do with her wax figure?

ImpactBreaker 15th December 2004 05:02 PM

I thought the PV killed a bit of the feeling of the song. While I consider it a good PV overall, it doesn't add much to the mood of the song (specially those loud sound effects, they just break the climax imo).

//hikari 15th December 2004 05:21 PM

Then why is Ayu promoting Panasonic?


I think that little boy should take advice from the two robots ... be silent. Even introducing "Walking Proud" he sounds annoying.

I don't know what to think of this PV.

Manross 15th December 2004 05:28 PM

the pv's cool..i liked it.. :)

ayurules 15th December 2004 06:44 PM

i think this pv is badly done, first, the camera cutting is bad~ very confusing, it cuts too fast! they seems to have a lot of elements in it but they dun seems to show enough of it. The colours is nice, the setting is nice, the idea (haven figure out yet), but they could have done better about it. A nice song but a badly done PV, could have been better. I love ayu in the black hair though XD

oh ya, the last part where she reveals the clooth, is she trying to send a message about the wax figure of her in hongkong?? if it is, isnt it a bit 'cheapskate'??? T__T
why did ayu do this........T_T

minkAYuko 15th December 2004 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lumix
Am I the only one who think its clear? I don't like this PV, it's sad. :/ I think the meaning is.. people are using so much electronics, don't you think so? Everything in this PV is electric. That nature is visible after pushing button. So this PV is picture of eletronical people trying to be natural, as they were before. Hm?

And at the end of that tunnel (in core of world) is the last full human - Ayumi with black hair.


that's the best description ever!!! :thud you are so right!..so right!!! :D

but someone said she is being made.. to be a robot right? that's why she's on the table... I like your description of the PV

kristen 15th December 2004 11:17 PM

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The first thought that came to mind after the tunnel thing was the Kanariya PV. O_o
Lol thats what i thought too.

mui-gei-tal 16th December 2004 12:53 AM

i actually like the pv...it looked so purdy~

elepop 16th December 2004 01:06 AM

I love the effects. Ayu looks pretty with the pink dress and with short-black hair. It'a confusing but it is a great PV. I don't know the meaning of the PV neither what's under the sheet. But i like this PV. Although, the Panasonic CM looked better. Overall, 8/10.

ll moments ll 16th December 2004 01:48 AM

hmmm. this PV is different.
it kinda made me think. but i thought it was good.
it wasn't spectacular, but quite nice.

Aldonia 16th December 2004 02:42 AM

It confuses me. Especially the guy doing the robot. My first impression of the PV: "WTF?!" but it grew on me once I watched it a few more times. The kid was cute but I really don't understand his purpose in the PV. :dead2

LEOyumi 16th December 2004 02:53 AM

Wonderful! It's not the best of the PVs of the new album in my opinion (I prefer Carols), but it's very close!

And I loved what Lumix said! ^^ It might be something like that!

Catzi 16th December 2004 03:08 AM

I liked it. It reminded my of the Free & Easy PV, not sure why. I loved her make up in it though. Blue represents something, but I can't figure out what.

zeroshin888 16th December 2004 05:03 AM

i'm gonna b brief
boy: retarded.. super ANNOYINg w/ the "do u want some candy?" ****..
PV: meh.. i thought it wuz boring in the begining.. but the pulling the cover part made it interesting!!

PickleCookies 16th December 2004 05:16 AM

Ending = cop out.

*hearT_Place* 16th December 2004 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumix
Am I the only one who think its clear? I don't like this PV, it's sad. :/ I think the meaning is.. people are using so much electronics, don't you think so? Everything in this PV is electric. That nature is visible after pushing button. So this PV is picture of eletronical people trying to be natural, as they were before. Hm?

And at the end of that tunnel (in core of world) is the last full human - Ayumi with black hair.

Whoa. I read your post and then watched the PV again, and it completely changed my perspective of it! Everything is fake, even the sky. But I think that the Ayumi on the table w. the black hair is the robot, and the Ayumi that's singing is the human (at the end, the big belt out part, black haired Ayumi's face is rather passive, while blonde haired Ayumi is full of emotion).

I was reading a translation, and the PV goes with the first verse:
My lips created a lie,
for some trivial reason...
for no one, just my foolish self...
I think it was to protect.
When I realized, from the countless lies,
I was surrounded and couldn't move,
I was unable to do a thing.
The whole world is a lie that surrounds blonde Ayumi, and maybe the robot at the end is her trapped in the lies.

I like this PV:)

However, I think the ending would have been a little more meaningful and a little less "what the...?" if they had shown the cloaked figure at other points in the video, instead of waiting till the end to break out this random cloaked person.

lolo66 16th December 2004 08:50 AM

oh the candy part, well the kid could be a disguise for someone offering some sort of "candy-coated-lie" uh?? yeah more mind wandering for you all to play with

Let-Go 16th December 2004 09:24 AM

I think the kid is just to make it "cute" e_e...? an extra just to "fill" the video LOL

Apekuz 16th December 2004 09:52 AM

Kudos @ Lumix

Qt Mashi 16th December 2004 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumix
Am I the only one who think its clear? I don't like this PV, it's sad. :/ I think the meaning is.. people are using so much electronics, don't you think so? Everything in this PV is electric. That nature is visible after pushing button. So this PV is picture of eletronical people trying to be natural, as they were before. Hm?

And at the end of that tunnel (in core of world) is the last full human - Ayumi with black hair.

thats very interesting, i havent seen the pv yet so i'll take notice of that

HanabiChick 16th December 2004 11:20 AM

I liked it, visually it looked good. After reading what people think the meaning is more clear to me. I thought the boy was cute, but his voice was annoying, the only thing I didn't like about it. I would have liked to have seen what was under the sheet, but I also think it's robot Ayu.

lolo66 16th December 2004 11:51 AM

I think it's her wax statue soon to be on public display in HK. ^^

[taskin.ayu] 16th December 2004 12:53 PM

It was a great PV, but it reminded me of No Way to Say, and walking proud sounded similar to it as well. xD It's similar since they both have something revealed at the end. (Well not really for No Way to Say) but I liked both clips anyway. Ayumi always has the best PVs.

Lumix 16th December 2004 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by acharlyatl
that's the best description ever!!! :thud you are so right!..so right!!! :D

but someone said she is being made.. to be a robot right? that's why she's on the table... I like your description of the PV

Mm.. I dont think that table has some special reason. Just the last human Ayumi, someone sacred for others in scenery.

Hanazaki 17th December 2004 09:09 AM

Was this song used for one of the Panasonic camera commerical? Can't remember.

I thought the entire PV felt like it could be a commercial for a camera. The vibrant background colour used on the scene, the sparkles on her body, the picture frames showing clips of her, the one shot of the camera fliming Ayu on the table...all they have to do is put in some advertising slogan and it would look like a perfectly valid camera commerical! Maybe it's inspired by the panasonic lumix camera ;)

Qt Mashi 17th December 2004 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanazaki
Was this song used for one of the Panasonic camera commerical? Can't remember.

I thought the entire PV felt like it could be a commercial for a camera. The vibrant background colour used on the scene, the sparkles on her body, the picture frames showing clips of her, the one shot of the camera fliming Ayu on the table...all they have to do is put in some advertising slogan and it would look like a perfectly valid camera commerical! Maybe it's inspired by the panasonic lumix camera ;)

nope this song wasnt used for a Panasonic camera, it was used for a Panasonic MD (MJ59)

tinyppl 17th December 2004 07:12 PM

I think this is my fave pv for the album. But I didn't get the 'candy thing' and the little boy's tongue being blue? Does it have something to do with the blue butterflies or sumthing? and about the man with a broken throat; the ants hole and the ayu statue at the end? ha it's really weird and complicating but overall, a very enjoyable and beautiful pv.

_CREA_ 18th December 2004 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by *hearT_Place*
But I think that the Ayumi on the table w. the black hair is the robot, and the Ayumi that's singing is the human (at the end, the big belt out part, black haired Ayumi's face is rather passive, while blonde haired Ayumi is full of emotion).

Good eye! I hadn't noticed that, but I just played it back again and you're right.

Adding to that, the black haired Ayu seems to have a sort of smug expression...to me it practically looks like she's smirking as she's singing into the camera. That makes me think she's the robot too...in "prototype" stage, perhaps, before they fully model her after the real Ayu? (Hair and such.)

Maybe the robot one is in a way overconfident that electronic is better, since the video shows that electronic is basically taking over...and that's why she seems so passive.

I'm probably all off though. I didn't catch any of this when I first viewed the PV, only after reading this thread. This one had me quite confused. :headache

Bishoujo Ayumi 18th December 2004 04:20 AM

I didn't think the guy in the background doing the robot was necessary.

I think the best part was when she was lying on the table..she looked very pretty.

I also thought it was herself under that sheet when she pulled it. But dammit, it'll be like the No Way to Say PV, who was under the Santa costume? >o

extepan 26th December 2004 03:43 PM

it is such a beautiful pv....i love the butterfly for some reason.

Qt Mashi 27th December 2004 05:42 AM

i love this pV it's so mysterious it makes me wanna watch it more!!

the song was sooo sad though

extepan 27th December 2004 06:59 PM

i didnt like the mechanical movements of the indian looking guy...it was so strange..but otherwise the pv was excellent!


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