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kazuni 7th January 2003 12:15 PM

CCCD - on rainbow - does it work?
 
I read the cover on my CD saying that the CD is a "Copy ProteCted CD" (i think that's where they derived the name CCCD) which is supposed to prohibit copying, and it says that some audio players cannot play back the CD... then I wonder, oh why not, I always keep mp3 format of any of my purchased CDs on my hard drive by ripping them from the CD itself, and so i poped it into the drive and started my ripping program - it rips just like the other CDs :roflmao so I was wondering, how does this CCCD work? anyone has any idea if it works at all? or it's only protecting a direct CD-to-CD copy? O_o? :caa :caa

Takke 7th January 2003 12:24 PM

yeah i wonder that to! can someone explained that for me?

Grantith 7th January 2003 04:36 PM

It's supposed to be copy protection, but sometimes people can easily copy them, other times they can't. It usually depends on what type of CD drive you have, and what program you use to copy it. As you can see, the technology is not very perfected. :laugh

PlaysK 7th January 2003 05:45 PM

CCCD means Copy Control CD. You can take a look on this article directly to Avex site : http://www.avex.co.jp/e_site/press/2...ess020228.html

It doesn't allow ripping but allows some copy ( like on a minidisc for example )
It prevents u to see the tracks in explorer but in Open MG for Sony Net MD you can see it.
Normally an autorun player start on a PC ...but if you use Media Player or Real one and select ' Play Audio CD ... it works well ...so what's the advantage..

And now I 'm sure that some programs can rip them ...(I know some ppl who have tried ).
For the moment I encoded my CCCD legit album to Open MG only and played them with the Sony player.

EdenZone 7th January 2003 06:44 PM

it only prevents some common players like Windows Media Player and RealPlayer to copy.........I also can rip CCCD wif CDex

nmskalmn 8th January 2003 12:13 AM

CCCD protection does not work with CD-RW drives. I can rip and play it just like a regular CD when I use my CD-RW drive.

boogieordie 8th January 2003 12:23 AM

I use CDex, but I cannot rip them. I have a CD-RW drive, and a DVD drive, but I can't get them to rip.

What exactly did you do EdenZone, or did it just work automatically for you? Because all I get is a datatrack, and it won't let me rip it.

Ashley

ImpactBreaker 8th January 2003 12:24 AM

Thanks god the CCCD is not perfect......hope they will never make it "perfect"

mrAznnizeguy 8th January 2003 02:41 AM

hey ashley meeh too! for the free and easy single all i can rip was the first song.. and i didnt try other cccd singles/albums.. can any one help me?

mimika 8th January 2003 02:57 AM

the EASIEST and most PRIMATIVE but also EFFECTIVE way..is u know when itz a cccd..therez a rim on the back of the cd?? use a black mark to CAREFULLY trace the rim..thus erasing the cccd feature!! easy?? haha

squarenuts 8th January 2003 03:40 AM

or just do what I do, and get back at the capitalistic pigs running the music industry by just downloading it all off the internet and not paying a cent. sure, the artist gets jipped, but only 7 cents, that they would easily make up for should they hold concerts in the area (bands make most their money off concerts). why would I support an industry that keeps the cost of cds twice the cost of tapes when tapes cost a lot more for the company to make? it makes no sense, just greed. so I just take what I want- I'd love to see any government agent come up with a legit reason to see my computer lol

mimika 8th January 2003 03:48 AM

talkin 'bout tapes...where does md's go????

ayu_ready78 8th January 2003 04:45 AM

I tried H Single (CCCD Protected) and Easy CD Creator 5 ripped it like any normal CD. However, when I tried RAINBOW, it took forever. This CD protection definetly isn't as good as they say it is.

PinkSock 8th January 2003 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mimika
the EASIEST and most PRIMATIVE but also EFFECTIVE way..is u know when itz a cccd..therez a rim on the back of the cd?? use a black mark to CAREFULLY trace the rim..thus erasing the cccd feature!! easy?? haha

eek! :eek
that sounds really dangerous to be doing that to a 27 dollar cd! what if I mess up? does it ruin the entire cd? because I'd love to have my own personal mp3s so that I can just turn on the computer and not have to find cds all the time.

destiny_ayu 8th January 2003 06:45 AM

Copy Control Cd.. it can be ripped.. but when u listen in winamp.. it will not be perfect...i've tried it b4

EdenZone 8th January 2003 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AyuRocks
I use CDex, but I cannot rip them. I have a CD-RW drive, and a DVD drive, but I can't get them to rip.

What exactly did you do EdenZone, or did it just work automatically for you? Because all I get is a datatrack, and it won't let me rip it.

Ashley

My CDex version is 1.5 beta 3....it works fine for me with CCCD

Grantith 8th January 2003 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PinkSock

eek! :eek
that sounds really dangerous to be doing that to a 27 dollar cd! what if I mess up? does it ruin the entire cd? because I'd love to have my own personal mp3s so that I can just turn on the computer and not have to find cds all the time.

You do run the risk of writing over one of the later songs on the album. It's just a risk you have to take (and I would never do that since you can find the MP3s online).

You can go to the download section of the forum and find a topic that is sticky that lets you download all the MP3s from the album.

kiansien 9th January 2003 06:01 PM

is there any other way to rip it?
or can anybody give me a link to all of ayumi's album?
i want to dl all her older songs that i didn't have......

ChineseWarrior 12th January 2003 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by squarenuts
or just do what I do, and get back at the capitalistic pigs running the music industry by just downloading it all off the internet and not paying a cent. sure, the artist gets jipped, but only 7 cents, that they would easily make up for should they hold concerts in the area (bands make most their money off concerts). why would I support an industry that keeps the cost of cds twice the cost of tapes when tapes cost a lot more for the company to make? it makes no sense, just greed. so I just take what I want- I'd love to see any government agent come up with a legit reason to see my computer lol
Quote:

the EASIEST and most PRIMATIVE but also EFFECTIVE way..is u know when itz a cccd..therez a rim on the back of the cd?? use a black mark to CAREFULLY trace the rim..thus erasing the cccd feature!! easy?? haha
muwhahahah i have lots og albums LOL!!!!!!!!! and thats is one risk im not taking when the cds here in Canada are so expensive

DarkAngel 12th January 2003 02:21 PM

Ripping with CDex from CCCD CD's is working. And it's very easy. If you choose the drive where the CD is in, CDex should immediately display the tracks whether it is CCCD or not. Well I've tried it with my H single a few minutes ago and it did work.
And about tracing the rim with a black marker, I wouldn't do it even if there was no other way to rip the CD, the CD was just too expensive if I would make a mistake and the CD wouldn't work afterwards I would kill myself :D.

ChineseWarrior 13th January 2003 12:45 AM

muwhahahahaha soo true :thumbsup

kazuni 15th January 2003 09:11 PM

there is another alternative program - actually there are 4 - that i can list here:

EAC (exact audio copy) u can get it from www.exactaudiocopy.de (u need the LAME dos encoder for it to encode in mp3 in a very good quality!)

WINDAC /w LAME/bladeenc (www.windac.de)

Audiograbber (discontinued, but there are Wa**z out there)

Windows Media Player works fine for me! (Version 8 and 9)

CDEX rips fine too

Winamp plugins also can do that (forgot which but it dumps it as an mp3/wav, depends on what u want)

hm what else....

i guess those are the ones that i know :( hope that helps

I recommend EAC the most (best quality) a little but hard to use at the beginning if you are new to it, but it gives u the best rips (well to me...) using the r3mix preset it provides /w LAME

:)

ChineseWarrior 16th January 2003 01:55 AM

wooooo weeeeeeee thanks kazuni but looks hard -_-

mimika 16th January 2003 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PinkSock

eek! :eek
that sounds really dangerous to be doing that to a 27 dollar cd! what if I mess up? does it ruin the entire cd? because I'd love to have my own personal mp3s so that I can just turn on the computer and not have to find cds all the time.

yea therez definitely a risk...maybe u can cut out the right shape out of a cardboard or something and trace along using that ^_^

fantaisie.sign 17th February 2003 05:14 PM

Oops, I'm bringing this topic back up again. . .

The black marker-thing DOESN'T WORK! I tried it with my Voyage single and it did nothing to prevent the CCCD from working, but the CD still plays perfectly. What I did was take a black Sharpie and make a thin line around the ouside rim of the back of the CD. Somewhere I read that that was where the CCCD was, but it's probably near the same rim with the actual music. Oh well, the Voyage CD still looks great since the line is only small and it still works in my CD players.

Biscuitgirl 17th February 2003 06:06 PM

Yeah, don't do the black marker thing. Someone here at the forum ruined a cd doing that. It's just not a smart idea. If your computer won't rip the tracks, download them from here or someone who has them.

Biscuitgirl 17th February 2003 06:07 PM

Also, I know a place where you can get copies of Ayu's cds really cheap if you want to rip the tracks from that and have a copy for your car. AIM me if anyone is interested.

kawai 17th February 2003 08:37 PM

DON'T let Avex's program loaded up in your PC.
That's the most important thing.
Hold Shift while the disk gets loaded until the LED stop blinking for a while, then use your favourite ripping software.

banchan 18th February 2003 02:39 AM

Hi everybody,
I read all your posts about rip Avex CCCD tracks but I can't.
I tried all soft you talked but nothing.

On my CD, there are 12 audio tracks but when I put the disc in my drive, I see 13 data tracks . No soft can read and extract data tracks in WAV file.. and copy of the CD is impossible .
So what is the problem ? from my drive or maybe it's a new CCCD protection ?
Album name is Cyber Trance 6 .

Thanks. I hope you could help me.

nmskalmn 18th February 2003 02:44 AM

What about analog ripping? I haven't tried this myself, but here is a link about how to do it:

http://www.blazeaudio.com/howto/rip-overview.html

depend_ayu 19th February 2003 09:33 AM

You can use this programe "IsoBuster" to rip it :)

EdenZone 19th February 2003 10:26 AM

CDex too..... i forgot the site to dl it. but you can search for it

kheops 4th March 2003 07:24 AM

I ripped the single Free & Easy with EAC, becaus no other prog worked for me. it's alittle bit hard a the beginning, bu it works 100%!

i try to find the site where they explain how to use EAC. :)

banchan 4th March 2003 07:44 AM

Thanks . I'm waiting for your answer....

kheops 4th March 2003 02:00 PM

ok i found another tutorial, it's a little bit "heavy" but very good.
http://www.ping.be/satcp/tutorials.htm

as soon as i am at home i'll post the other link with the short and easy tutorial... ;)

EdenZone 4th March 2003 07:13 PM

hmm. thanks.. everyone shouldn't have problems now...

kheops 4th March 2003 09:06 PM

i ripped Ayu Trance 2 20 mins ago, everything ok with EAC. Ayu Trance 2 is CCCD protected.

:idea
mini tutorial by me:

1. Insert Audio CD and click on: Action - Detect TOC Manually

2. Select the tracks you want to rip and click on: Action - Copy Selected Tracks - Uncompressed or Compressed ( click on compresed if you have installed LAME codec)

(3) if you have selected "uncompressed" you have to compress the *.wav in mp3 with any mp3 compressing prog.

that's all. hope this could help.

:thumbsup

mata ne~

_deun_ 4th March 2003 11:51 PM

From what I've seen, CCCD protection is just based on an unwritten area on the disk before the data track. A few drives don't like this and don't report the list of tracks properly, but if you're not in that case you can extract the tracks without any trouble...
You can make a non-cccd version of the disc by rewriting a cd from those ripped tracks :P

paper_doll 23rd March 2003 11:02 PM

CCCD is pointless... someway somehow it still ends up on KaZaA within days of the CD release...

a_yu_volution 2nd April 2003 08:50 AM

i use clonecd...and it werks great....iso buster too...
but when i try some programs it took forever...that is because it was prevented to rip the last track or data at the end of the cd space...

ChineseWarrior 3rd April 2003 12:48 AM

bah! gay cccd

Chocho 7th April 2003 03:07 PM

I'll never get why they're using copy protection anyways. First of all, it's cracked sooner or later and second, if you can rip the CD, it means you actually bought it, which is just what they wanted you to do, but you might have problems with playing it properly on every CD player. So they're basically punishing you for buying a much too expensive CD. :curse

isaac hiew 17th April 2003 07:18 AM

Well I'm now downloading CDex 1.5 beta 7..... hopes that still be able to rip CCCD.

Sometimes when you can't find certain Music on the net, you will need to rip the CD tracks onto your PC. Avex are doing this simply because they want everyone to buy it. Too bad that it drags the sales lower.

EdenZone 17th April 2003 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by paper_doll
CCCD is pointless... someway somehow it still ends up on KaZaA within days of the CD release...
well, up on several mp3 sites on day of release too

ayhaadam 11th May 2003 12:28 AM

This problem is about the CD-ROM's brand...
some broad read CCCD just like reading the other normal CD (often older model)
some brand sometime read is OK , but sometime it's not
some brand can't read CCCD all (often newer)

Ayuvextrax 13th May 2003 07:50 AM

CCCD??? doesn't work at all.
 
CCCD from avex is no work at all. In my country, the CD can be copied by CD writer. And the copy CD is clear at all. There's no use of CCCD.

leafyamazaki 4th July 2003 10:01 PM

ur ryt, ayuvextrax... I tried copying a song from A BALLADS to my computer and it worked.... but then when I played the CD(not the copy) the "player" didn't display the MIX names(eg. "northern breeze")... anyway, the copy sounds as good as the one in the CD.
Oh, and I just copied it through WMP...

hamayumisaki 10th September 2003 11:53 PM

I used audiograbber to burn it a cccd and some other files. In most cases it workeb but when I play a song it has no sound.
All the info is there and everything but no sound at alll
:caa

ChineseWarrior 10th September 2003 11:57 PM

LOL! this thread getting old @_@ but hey! people still manage to burn them :) but risk of damaging cd :(

007_kenshin 24th November 2003 06:42 PM

Yeah, I got A BALLADS and burned every bit of them with Window Media, then I just encode them into MP3 with another program and its up for grabs, sorta... anyways,
CCCD will never take my ripping ability away from me!

stephymoo 24th November 2003 11:49 PM

I've got a question:

Is avex trax the only label that uses CCCDs?

I don't think any North American label uses them on their CDs; their method to stop mp3 distribution is to sue people. x_X;;

AfanforXX 29th December 2003 01:48 PM

no, Sony is also using CCCD. And, yes there is copy protection on American CDs now, example, Alicia Key's new album. The way you can tell is something is copy-protected is by looking for the Compact Disc stamp, if it's not there, it's protected.

Anyways, for ripping CCCD, I use Musicmatch, it rips FAST and rips CCCD CDs with no problems at all. It rips them in perfect audio goodness in less than a minute per track.

akatsuki 1st January 2004 07:43 PM

For me, i could copy &. But i cant copy track and paste them in my computer, that's the only things i cant do

DJ Deep Delusion 9th January 2004 07:29 AM

As has been briefly mentioned on this site, NO SOFTWARE will HELP you rip the CCCD's. It's a hardware issue. Meaning it's your CD drive. Some models, most notably plextors, have been claimed to rip them fine. There's a discontinued model in Germany I heard that was able to rip EVERY version of CCCD put out by EVERY label. I have an HP CD-RW (CD-Writer PLUS 8000) and a Sony CD-RW drive and NEITHER OF THEM will rip the CD's. CCCD's are designed to exploit the read-ahead function of CD drives. That's the function that scans the whole CD b'fore you're able to access it. It's a way for your computer to basically tell you what the CD contains, the file sizes, name, and properties. This information must be read from the CD b'fore it's displayed to you. CCCD catches it in the midst and stalls the process, preventing it from goin' any further, that's how it works. I've used every conceivable prog out there with no joy. So, to lay myths to rest, it's a HARDWARE ISSUE! People, plz, instead of posting "such 'n' such program was able to rip so 'n' so CD", PLZ, I URGE YOU, give us your stats on your HARDWARE! Tell us the model and maker of your CD drive!!! :thumbsup

hightea_xx 12th January 2004 11:59 PM

Hey, sorry to bring this back, AGAIN, but i have a question.

It's like ripping CCCD (i posted in the technical section about this too, and Unimatrix Prime sent me here). It's about copy to MD, too. Whenever i tried to copy any CDs with CC BEFORE &, they had imperfections in the sound. For example, "click" sounds, like of a pen. Also, there is some scratching sounds, and it's really just horrible. Anyways, any CDs AFTER & where fine, I could put them onto my MD no problem, no imperfections (like Memorial Address). I tried using EAC, and it took out the scratching sounds, but the click was still there. However, whenever i tried to play the audio in EAC, it would be 100% PERFECT. So, i'm confused.... >_<;;; Can someone please help me?

ricekid 15th January 2004 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ParaParaAkuma
Hey, sorry to bring this back, AGAIN, but i have a question.

It's like ripping CCCD (i posted in the technical section about this too, and Unimatrix Prime sent me here). It's about copy to MD, too. Whenever i tried to copy any CDs with CC BEFORE &, they had imperfections in the sound. For example, "click" sounds, like of a pen. Also, there is some scratching sounds, and it's really just horrible. Anyways, any CDs AFTER & where fine, I could put them onto my MD no problem, no imperfections (like Memorial Address). I tried using EAC, and it took out the scratching sounds, but the click was still there. However, whenever i tried to play the audio in EAC, it would be 100% PERFECT. So, i'm confused.... >_<;;; Can someone please help me?

I think that they use different software on the various cds. for example, I could rip all of this dai single with cccd, but could not rip everlasting dream off of rainbow. I have no problem now ripping...

DJ Deep Delusion 15th January 2004 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ricekid
I have no problem now ripping...
Why not? :confused Tips, tricks, advice plz~

ricekid 16th January 2004 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DJ Deep Delusion
Why not? :confused Tips, tricks, advice plz~
it probably is a hardware thing, but I use this ripping program that appears to have been discontinued as I can't find a reffering url.

DJ Deep Delusion 16th January 2004 05:59 AM

Dayum! And I thought we had found the holy grail to end CCCD!!! :caa

starr5245 12th March 2004 01:58 AM

use a programme called easy cd-da extractor,
by typing it into the google search engine

kournikova 12th March 2004 10:23 AM

what is cccd?

starr5245 15th March 2004 10:30 AM

cccd is copy-control compact disc

R@INBOW 6th April 2004 02:01 PM

I used musicmatch JUKEBOX and it rips CCCD like a it's ripping a normal CD.

leafyamazaki 6th April 2004 05:36 PM

Also... there are other forms(or something) of CCCD...
There's the one Sony Music uses: Label Gate CD & Label Gate CD2

With Label Gate CD you won't be able to play the CD on your comp unless u go to a site and get a sort of access code.
Label Gate CD2 CDs enable you to play the CDs on your comp without the access code.

http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/cccd/

dCxAyumi1 21st May 2004 03:23 AM

-_-

Ayusushi 11th June 2004 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmskalmn
CCCD protection does not work with CD-RW drives. I can rip and play it just like a regular CD when I use my CD-RW drive.

I can rip all CCCD protection CD too

It depends on type of ur CD drive...Mine is an old CD drive (History)...LOLZ

Maybe it can't detect those advanced CCCD system

Actually, U can record the album by Window media player as a WMA format then convert them to MP3 (I dun find any different of its quality ~ )

extepan 14th October 2004 04:32 AM

i have ripped all CCCD with absolutely no problem with Musicmatch Jukebox. some people say it is a hardware constraint. i kinda agree, as some people say sony cdrom drives dont let you rip cccd. for me, i use LITE-ON cd-rw and dvd and dvd-rw drives, and they all rip cccd fine!!!

T-Z333 23rd October 2004 07:54 PM

Did Alicia Keys latest album have CCCD? I have it, tough I haven't tried ripping it... Also, Dido's latest album is supposed to (Tough its no match for CloneCD) along with Pink's (Just the same) and Anastacia's (Can't be played on WMP, only in the Sony Music Player that comes in the CD)

Antipika 2nd November 2004 08:45 PM

I have ripped my original Rainbow CD with dBpowerAmp 10, no problem, it's like other CD. I really dont undesrtand why avex lost money by protecting some CD... Waste of time, waste of money (the CCCD logo over the cd package etc...)

Scorpion 6th March 2005 12:56 AM

I've seen a lot of people saying that MusicMatch rips the protected cd's with no problem. But that's because MusicMatch automatically switches to the analog mode when it detects that the cd is protected. So it starts ripping the cd in anolog mode..

kendelle 10th April 2005 12:35 AM

I've ripped RAINBOW with Nero V.5. My friend couldn't do it on his ripping program, but maybe my burner is older, and doesn't understand CCCD.

Hooray for the dark ages!

qwerty 30th November 2005 01:19 AM

iTunes works just fine for me.

momobean 4th December 2005 08:50 AM

Does it create any problems like that software Sony Music had?
Also, how do I remove the player it installs in my comp?

Kakeru 4th December 2005 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R@INBOW
I used musicmatch JUKEBOX and it rips CCCD like a it's ripping a normal CD.

Yup, same here.

*+Dark.Night.Angel.+* 6th January 2006 06:14 PM

I've read many replies on e-stores that the new Britney Spears' album "B In The Mix" has some kind of protection (like a CCCD) which is like a virus that it's installed in your computer when trying torip it and then it won't allow you to rip anymore...

I wonder if this is some kind of violation forit has something that gets into your PC without you noticing.

Maybe if Avex didn't want the people to rip Ayu's albusm they would have used something like that, ah? Because as I've read, the CCCD protection it's not that effective.

*+D.N.A.+*

*+Dark.Night.Angel.+* 6th January 2006 06:21 PM

Oh, I forgot to say and I edited this double post -sorry!- that my copy of rainbow it's not CCCD, were all of them supposed to be like that?

I'm not pretty sure.
*+D.N.A.+*

momobean 8th January 2006 08:14 AM

My copy of RAINBOW (OS ver) has CCCD.... Anyway all the stuff thats been going around about Sony's copy control CDs is worrying me, I ripped some CCCD Avex j-pop cds. And that player is installed in my comp.

*+Dark.Night.Angel.+* 11th January 2006 04:29 PM

Yup yup.

Now I know what was going ont with this CCCD thing... as posted on a science magazine: "This whole thing of the copy protection it's already backfiring onto the companies for artists such as Ricky Martin, The Coral and Celine Dion had this kind of protection called XCP (Extended Copy Protection) on their CD's which installed some kind of software which actually worked exactly the same as a trojan-like virus and a special player which won't alow the user to rip the cd's and in any case of uninstalling it, it will make the PC not to recognize the CD Drive affecting thousands of buyers and users.

Due to the pressure of media and public th company started to distribute another program to safely uninstall the program but they had to return the CD's and their moey was given back. Then this program was called a malware which is the name for those software as virus, such as spyware that enter ilegally or damage the computers."

Taken from Muy Interesante Science Divulgation Magazine
Translated by ME (-^v^-)

Wertica 10th February 2006 12:41 PM

I ripped the CD with iTunes. It was just like a normal CD :D

everlastingRAINBOW 13th July 2006 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty
iTunes works just fine for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wertica
I ripped the CD with iTunes. It was just like a normal CD :D

Really? I have itunes too, I just never got any cccd CDs before, I ordered all of Ai's CDs and alot of them are cccd, I want them to work!
Anyone have a problem with cccd using itunes?!?

Hazuki 13th July 2006 09:58 PM

^ Itunes dosen't let me rip CD's anymore =/

So I use Windows Media Player and it works fine.

everlastingRAINBOW 13th July 2006 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazuki
^ Itunes dosen't let me rip CD's anymore =/

So I use Windows Media Player and it works fine.

XD haha, I just need to see if CCCD works on itunes for all the people who have it, I'm spending $150 on Ai XD!

Risky Lotus 14th July 2006 03:09 AM

There has to be a media player that plays CCCD somewhere.
Just try every media player you have. I also hear that those CDs are made with built-in media players, meaning when you put it in your drive it should automatically pop up, or even a media player installed on your computer should pop up and start playing it.


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