RAINBOW PV - er...no offense, but...
 

I just realize that rainbow is somekind of sign/symbol for homosexuals....
and after my fren told me that my ayumized A BALLADS photo (check my thread if u haven't know bout it yet ;) ) looks like gay...I'm started to think that RAINBOW has some thing to do with it....I mean it has two ayu...and there's some romantic (almost!) scene about those two...like kissing scene, cuddling scene....wat do u guys think about this??

p.s.: no offense!

It's really not. It's the past Ayumi and the present Ayumi. She is consoling herself, hence the double vision.

yup, it reflects two different sides of her, like the cover.. interesting theory anyway.. ^^

I always thought a bit about homosexuality too, but then I remembered that it's two Ayu's, and it's just two versions of herself, it's a really touching song/PV, Ayu's most touching to date in my opinion, the PV makes me cry every time. Read the lyrics, I'm sure you'll enjoy them.

yaeh...pretty sure ayu's rainbow has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. haha. :D

When my mom saw my copy of A BALLADS she asked 'Is that t.A.T.u?' XPPPPPPPPPPPPP

haha, i stayed with my parents for a couple months last year and everytime i left a ballads laying out somewhere, my mom would always turn it over face down, hahaha. :no

When one of my freinds HEARD game, they thought it was tatu.... :irked

Why is that people seem to think that A Ballads is about sexuality?

errgh -___-

because they don't take the time to actually look deeper at it probably. they just see the cover and jump to conclusions. :grumpy

you could have done a little re-search here in the forum... there are several topics about that.. :P

yus >___< it annoys me so much, i get really frustrated :yes

sorry if this annoys you....the lyrics is very touching...in fact, I do like the song and the lyrics very much! But it just got me to think if Ayu ever made song for homosexuality it'd be very gr8...(i'm a bi, myself ;) ....)

Naw, look.
Ayumi kissing herself? The J-pop princess returns with a new album and with a new image. The cover of her latest release shows two images of herself kissing each other??? The superstar expressed that the idea comes from her need to console herself and her wish to cure her past self.

Ayumi's fantastic new album contains 13 recently released love ballads, some of them presented as new cover versions. Also, watch out for the song "Rainbow", which has picked ideas from a hundred thousand lyric suggestions that were sent in response to the multi talent's appeal to the public to provide her with lyrical drafts for the relevant song.


w00t for yesasia.

YesAsia's descriptions make me laugh.

xD! I know me too ^

there's an actual almost kissing scene in RAINBOW if you watch the PV, the scene in the bar (the black-dressed ayumi do that...if u look very close :D) I'm almost shocked when I see that! hahahaha...

OMFG really?!?! -checks- :D
EDIT: OHH! I remember. :D
(didnt have to check) yeah they cut it out though, the camera went down xD

Hey, the same here! I called her and asked her to go to the CD shop and take my A Ballads and she said "OMG, why, are those two lesbians!"..:laugh

that's what my mom said too...lol...

@ayumi no yume: yep...that part...that's why I said that it was an "almost!" hehehehe....

but I'm really happy with the concept...she's never did things without meaningful reason....

haha yep when the camera went down im like "oh darn!" :grumpy hehe

well my mum was the one who helped me buy A Ballads and she didnt say anything about it :P

My mom didnt say anything about it when i bought my A Ballads, nothing at all.

when I made that cover, she said,

"this is the last time I see you hugging yourself."

LoL

:laugh she was so sporting at least! Cant imagine what my parents would say...

Yeah, my mom just looked at it and gave this look like, :confused /:eyebrow but I told her it was just one of Ayumi's album covers, and nothing bad at all. "What are you looking at?" she said. :P

I'm gay. lol.

lol, there is a coming out thread in the chat room... I think we have realised alot of us in ahs have gay/bi tendecies...

no offense to anyone, *hands up* I'm not calling everyone here gay! So don't flame

Gsoh, it seems alot of you are getting a little to worked up about Ayu and gay... do any of you have a problem?? No one is saying ayu is ay... or that her PV was meant as gay... I for one am gay and I completely understood the PV... it is VERY touching... (For all you who asked the camera to come back up on the kissing scene... think of how hard that would have been... ayu would have had to kiss air twice haha, kinda woulda be funny to watch XD)

Anyways no one here knows about Ayu's sexuality either, she could be straight/gay/bi.. but it's none of our business... and don't anyone say she's dating so-and-so... alot of gay people get married, have kids... dating the opposite sex doesn't mean anything

I for one would like to think that Ayu supports gay and doesn't look down upon it... in fact! It's even sweeter to think that there was a double meaning behind it... perhaps one is Ayu's past/present (well we all know that one) But maybe another message is our past/present selves... to come to terms with our past and who we really our... Rainbow is a symbol over the language barrier for gays...maybe it has a double meaning? Only Ayu knows... So no one here can say that it only has one meaning

hehe, cute question, lol, I'm gay but I don't think it has anything to do with gay people XDXDXD, like everyone said, she's just touching herself... er.. not like that XDXD

totally agree with you yaruimi...

i dont think ayu's rainbow is to do with homosexuality.

exactly ;):yes

evertone is entitled to their own opinion... but again there can be more than one meaning... Ayumi's not a sexual person... well she has been more recently than her ast years... but no one can clearly state that it is 100% not sexual... sure she explained the main point for her PV... but Ayu's PV's can ALWAYS and always will be able to be interpreted into many forms... thats the beauty of Ayu...

You can take her song and PV's and apply it to many situations... I think Ayu does this purposefully and with reason. It helps definately with a fan base!

This reminds me of when my BoA "Girls on Top" CD came in the mail. My dad opened my package (which he ALWAYS does ugh) and he thought it was a porn dvd LOL how stupid...

that is another funny song... if you don't know what it really means... I'll bet you were embarrassed XD XD XD

of cos not.....rainbow PV has its own meaning
the covers and picture.....

the end of the PV shows that there is only one person....
look overall thePV and interprete it
everyPV of hers has its own meaning

xD vr funny

LOL! The titles of songs nowadays are really provocative anyway..

aww well i dun think it is homo at all....love the song love the covers....love every thing.... so what if u are kissing ur self? i mean URSELF haha...

well I would say that it's mean your narcist or something! LOL

hmm....my interpretation about the PV, the first ayumi appeared on the PV, I consider that the "A" Ayu, and the one that is chased is the "B" Ayu....at the end of the PV, I could interpret somehow, that the ayu that is sitting alone, is the "B" Ayu....since the "A" Ayu showed many mature expressions among the PV, while the "B" Ayu showed many childish act, like being shy, when she finally met with the "A" Ayu at the rooftop and crying.....her last smile and her last giggle is very cute! she might tried to show her childish self, like kids like to giggle like that and then cover his/her mouth with hands...and I was thinking that the "B" Ayu is replacing the "A" Ayu....would that mean, that she finally gets her "old" self back?? replacing her mature sides? or I'm interpreting it in wrong way (again)?

BUT!!! the main thing is i dun understand y the b ayu was smiling like so so....as if she wanted a ayu to disapear

no... the main point of this PV is coming to terms with your past... so in the end Ayu is smiling because she has finally accepted her past... In the beginning she is almost haunted by it... and then she learns to confront it, and it doesn't end up being so bad... and the ayu fades away because it symbolises that Ayu has completely come to terms with herself... and isn't haunted anymore


ron234 - no one is wrong here. Ayu's PV's can be interpreted into many ways... I'm sure Ayu does this on purpose... in this PV you can plug whatever part of you that you haven't accepted... who's to say someone doesn't truly accept their homosexuality... they can plug and viola! makes sense ;)

PS - I'm not saying ayu is coming to terms with her homosexuality! we ALL know it's her past self she's dealing with... just thought I'd make that completely clear befroe someone bends my words :rolleyes

Not gay. Period.

Not straight. Period.

hahaha...nice comment both of you

Yarumi: I think it's like her past finally coming back to her again and she lost her mature sides....if she accept it, I guess then another ayu (the "C" Ayu, with both personalities mixed into one) should came up...

Uh. She is.

any proof? didn't think so.


edit: And don't say she has a boyfriend. That doesn't mean a thing nowadays

uh...but honestly....she c ayu looks really old....or is it just me?...she looks like she lacks sleep....

anybody realize that one of the ayus is fatter?

I'm confused; I don't have the actual PV but there's screencaps on Eneabba. http://eneabba.net/ayu/video/videoclips/33.Rainbow.htm If, according to ChrisKay, there's an A Ayu and a B Ayu, A Ayu must be the one in pink, B Ayu must be the one in red... but who's the one in orange? Throughout the PV, Ayu wears pink, red, orange, white and black. I'm confused.

Why are we talking about Ayu being fatter and older?


Yes she is. Because she has a boyfriend and they've been together for years and years. If that doesn't mean anything for you, that's not my problem.

ayu__is__destiny : well, ignore the colors...her dress change from scene to scene at that pv, maybe to emphasize the "RAINBOW" title...what I mean is the chaser and the chased ones are B & A....the first one to come up at the PV is the A Ayu, and the one that discreetly watching her from distance (like she's going to eat her :lol) is the B ayu....

asongforXX : no, I mean a few seconds after this cene, (eneabba just don't have that moment! so I post this one)
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when she sticks her face to the B ayu...the A AYu face DOES look fatter....u should re-watch the PV....lol

A Ayu looks fat early on in those Eneabba clips, when she's walking up the steps. She has a fat behind. XD

Yeah Ayu wears different outfits in the PV, well the same outfit different color... I guess she was going for that whole rainbow effect ;)

I don't see a fatter Ayu... maybe the camera angle?

For your information alot of people that are gay try to have a ;'straight' relationship. So having a boyfriend, getting married, having a kid... doesn't mean that someone could not be gay because there are ALOT of them that try to have what the standards refer to as a 'normal' relationship. SO again, Ayu having a boyfriend means absolutely nothing.

Anyways I'm not saying Ayu is gay though, just trying to prove that you can't say that she's 100% straight, because you can't.

yeah, itz not lesbian. itz about her consoling her past self

it does look like that in some ways.. but if u try undrstanding deepr in the lyrics you'll realize it's not... its about a person trying to cope up with problems and trying to heal the hurtful past left behind.. and making new life after the rain the rainbow.. which is the new beggining.. for the person.! ^^

if she was talking about her past, shouldn't she just use a child form to represent her past?
well two "SAME" ayu couldn't represent the past and the present ayu....not if we understand the lyrics....we have to check out the translation to understand that she's talking about her past and present...well, she should know that she's hitting on international world, where not everyone can't understand the song, yet the PV is there to help us understand the lyrics...and common people usually come up with the them "lesbian"...well, who knows?

I think she IS consoling her past, why would she want to flirt with herself..

Exactly. When I first saw the pictures of 'A Ballads' I never thought of Ayu with herself being homosexual or anything like that. Just listening to the track listenings, it was obvious that the pictures are about her in a way comforting herself and like someone said above, that she's controling herself. That's my opinion on the whole thing.

How can self love be gay?

exactly. self love would either be narcissistic, vain or crazy..
Does the Director Notes in Avex say anything about that picture?

good point! :D

well, yourself is the "same" sex as yours ^^

if ayu use a child to represent the past ayu.. i think i will be too common..
as ayu always come out with some special ideas.. and it make her soo speacial. thats the reason i love her so much..:luv2

yeah I agree I don't think they should've used a child... too cliche... I liked Ayu's mirror image idea

I'm pretty sure if the song was called "Starflower" no one would make a connection with homosexuality (Or at least not as fast as some people did). It's just the stereotype that the word Rainbow has to carry around with it.

Alot of people in this thread are just trying to make Ayu seem gay for their own reasons. Shes not gay, and you have no proof that she is. Alot of the fans say "zomg ayu and madonna twin sistaz 4lyfe" but Madonna has a big gay crowd and "suggestive" videos like this, why isn't she gay too??

You should all be serious about this, because if you actually TRUELY DEEP DOWN INSIDE think that Ayu is gay, then I dunno what pv's you've been watching~!

no, no one said ayu's IS gay. people misunderstood and got all offended by thinking that this thread meant that some people thought Ayu was gay.

ChrisKay just asked if the PV had anything to do with possibly homsexual undertones in it. Someone explained the real meaning behind the PV

what really irks me is that apparently the PV can only have ONE meaning. And if other people can find possible other meanings then they are wrong. We all know the real meaning for the PV. None of us are saying ayu is gay. But it is kinda annoying when someone comes on here and is like 'oh ayu is not gay, she has a boyfriend, she is straight, blah blah blah' NONE of us know Ayu personally. I for one don't care if Ayu is gay or not, doesn't change her music whether she's straight or not. As long as she keeps making great music I don't care.

Some people on here have gotten really worked up about Ayu and gay in the same sentence. Again, it's Ayu's life... who cares? Whatever makes Ayu happy is what she deserves.

You are contradicting yourself.

If your mad that someone says it has one meeting, why are you going off and saying that well all know the real meaning as if there is one?

Earlier in the thread you said this: (3rd page, 7th post, in response to Asongforxx calling Ayu straight)
And right now you just said no one is calling her gay??

It's fine for you to have your opinion on what the meaning of a video is, but when the video is
a) mostly clear in its meaning
b) involves Ayu CHASING herself, not falling in love with
C) involves Ayu's OFF SCREEN kiss with her TWIN (in some familys relatives kiss eachother on the lips)

Then you don't really have much evidence to back up your idea, especially when your own socially opinions get in the way of your reasoning THATS when people may begin to get angry.

haha, not to get involved in this debate or whatever, but madonna HAS been involved with women in the past. she was involved with sandra bernhard i'm pretty sure...right?

this thread is becoming ridiculous by the way. :rolleyes

Nope never said I was mad. Apparently Ayu chad an interview explaining this video in it. But again, the great thing about Ayu's words/pv's is that you can plug real life into it. The song may represent something to Ayu. Why can't it mean something different to someone else?


Uh, you obviously don't read everything, because I've already said that I personally don't believe Ayu meant for it to be about sexuality. but AGAIN everyone lives different lives, different experiences. Its like a poem, the poet wrote it and have their own perseption, but other people have different perseptions and there is no right or wrong way.

And if people get angry in the one someone mirrors this PV to their own life, then there is a block button, and no one makes them post in threads.

As before if you had read all of my post then maybe you would see that I never thought of the Rainbow PV as sexual, but I certainly am not going to bash someone for the way they percieve the video.

I agree with you touched star. It is becoming rediculous. I thought this place was open minded and didn't judge people's opinions? Well can't expect that from every member.

GOSH ChrisKay... you got yourself a golden thread :yes

This is such a stupid thread, no offense, but self love isn't gay XD. I mean I'm gay and I have self love XDXD. Not that self love makes me gay, but whatever, lol!

its getting that way fast, for sure. its just...a pointless thread now. :no

To get back on topic, this is how I saw the videos (its meaning that is)

Ayu is always chasing the past, using it to comfort herself (her greater sales during Duty, since after that she didn't sell as high) and when she finally has grasp of it she realizes that the past is past and that she should look to the future (Ayu's smirk at the disappearence of the second Ayu)

hahahaha maybe its becuase i live in san francisco or something, but man that took you a while to get. lots of streets here are lined with rainbow stuff so i guess cant blame you.

now to make an educated comment on the thread topic: lesbians are hot

Everyone loves themselves. Yet not everyone is gay. Think about it.

well,....hmm...okay, kinda speechless here...anyway, I hope we're not over-debating here....well, I definetely agree that this should mean that every ayu song has been seen differently by every persons so I guess we shouldn't blame anyone for translating ayu's pv/video in many ways.....so I think this thread should end....before anything worst could happen,...

well, I get scared of this thread actually...bcoz ppl start debating (-x-)

I know I'm refreshing the topic, but I have one word to say: some of my friends are heterosexuals, and I know that in their communities 'rainbow' is a special sign, which means sb is gay... So, I was wondering, why did Ayu name the song 'rainbow' and make such clip to it... just a haphazard?

she prolly named it RAINBOW because of the line: "no rain, cant get the rainbow"

read the lyrics of rainbow because u people are getting mad over nothing god just read it to me is that she's speaking to herself to be strong and all of that this song and video are not gay GOSH

Rainbow

la la la...
I hear a gentle voice from somewhere
Which might have always been heard
The warmth found just near to me

I was forgiven by forgiving many things
Including my childhood so long ago
I was healed, though I intended to heal
I've just noticed, in the way
That I was saved by love
Though I tried to keep love away

You come down quietly from somewhere
And always tell me
Of the happiness just near to me

Supporting and being supported
I draw close to you little by little
Protecting and being protected
I get convinced
That I was saved by love
Though I tried to keep love away

If you have a pain hard to get over
Shall we share it and walk on?
Gathering pleasure too big for each of us
Shall we share them and walk on?

I sing this song only to you now
I sing this song only to you now
You are my special treasure
You are my special treasure

la la la...
No rain, can't get the rainbow
No rain, can't get the rainbow