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walking proud 9th February 2006 03:59 PM

[news] Ai Kago suspended indefinitely from H!P for smoking
 
Original article here
Thanks Ikimasshoi for noticing it

Note: In Japan, the legal smoking age is 20.

Suspension may see ex-Morning Musume star's career go up in smoke

Ex-Morning Musume member Ai Kago was suspended indefinitely late Thursday night after her talent agency confirmed a scandal sheet had caught her smoking while underage.

Friday, a weekly photo journal that specializes in paparazzi shots of celebrities, caught 18-year-old Kago puffing away at a restaurant in Tokyo's trendy Ebisu district on Jan. 28, a spokesman for her talent agency said.

Friday's coverage of the event will hit the stands on Feb. 10.

Talent agency officials said that they are continuing to discuss Kago's career path with the teenager and her parents. Since leaving Morning Musume, Kago has joined "W," another all-girl group.

Minors in Japan are banned from smoking. The legal age of adulthood is 20 and smoking before then is outlawed.

In April last year, another Morning Musume celebrity, Mari Yaguchi, quit the popular group after a weekly photo magazine showed her on a date with an actor. (Mainichi)









Consequences (from ikimasshoi)

Ai Kago has been suspended indefinitely. She is not leaving H!P, but she is taking a break.

Upcoming W (Double U) releases have been officially cancelled.

Hello!Morning filmed shows will be edited, cutting out Aibon’s parts.

Hello!Project has suspended upcoming W events, including their performance at the Tokamachi snow festival on 2/18 and the Pacific Heaven Hotel fanclub event.

Up Front Works loses over 100 million yens already invested in W’s upcoming releases: production, events and promotion. The only way to get the money back would be saving W’s new single and album for an eventually comeback after Aibon’s punishment.

Jkb123 9th February 2006 04:45 PM

Oh my gosh. I heard about Aibon smoking but didn't think much of it. She's been with H!P for years, I wonder what will happen with W...

Beyond the Sea 9th February 2006 05:05 PM

Thats too bad. Tsunku's good at ruining good things.

micster 9th February 2006 05:11 PM

omg.... but... what will happen to W's new album... omg....

Corybobory 9th February 2006 05:30 PM

I just watched the Ayudready episode with Ai Kago in it and just learned who she is... poor girl

Mirai Noah 9th February 2006 06:59 PM

*shakes head* Oh Aibon.... I'm disappointed it you. :(

Annabelle 9th February 2006 07:46 PM

Poor Aibon... :no I hope she won't quit Hello! Project and W will not be disbanded. I wonder what Nono thinks about this. :( *feels so sad*

Raleigh 9th February 2006 07:52 PM

Aww.. that's so sad. I really hope things will eventually fix themselves =/

PSYCHEDELICOdust 9th February 2006 07:54 PM

...omg.

Wow. They need to be so much more careful.

~Amy~ 9th February 2006 08:07 PM

:eek :yeek *shocked*

Ryoko 9th February 2006 08:39 PM

I was just watching the AyuReady episode with Ai too... I can't believe she smokes! *shocked*

superdonut 9th February 2006 08:47 PM

Nooooo~~ Not Aibon~~~

Geez... why is she smoking anyways...? Tsk tsk tsk... I really like her, and I don't want W to get seperated *cries*

PrismaticTears 9th February 2006 08:49 PM

Not surprised about her smoking, a little surprised over her getting suspended.

Wasn't there some nonsense about backstage at some show Ayumi had scolded the MM girls who were also performing that night for smoking so young? I remember some of you coots making a big fuss about some nonsensical rumors that run-in spawned.

Beyond the Sea 9th February 2006 08:50 PM

Teen smoking is a big problem everywhere. Tsunku should take the stick out of his butt and let her stay.

*Petit* 9th February 2006 09:03 PM

Perhaps she's doing it to loose weight and become as thin as the second half of W. :shakehead

Joel 9th February 2006 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirai Noah
*shakes head* Oh Aibon.... I'm disappointed it you. :(

Me too :( Shes prolly the most looked up too in H!P of young girls.. Poor Kago...

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Originally Posted by *Petit*
Perhaps she's doing it to loose weight and become as thin as the second half of W. :shakehead

Maybe but she looked like she's already getting skinnier from Miss Love Tentai single to now.



I hope the same thing won't happen to Kago as it did with Mari:no

*Petit* 9th February 2006 09:17 PM

Perhaps we shoulden't be so surprised. After all, aren't kago and nono H!P's idiot and crap girls? :P (sorry about that... :dead2 )

nmskalmn 9th February 2006 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by j_nerd
Teen smoking is a big problem everywhere. Tsunku should take the stick out of his butt and let her stay.

Are they supposed to throw out all their standards because this girl thinks she is too good for the rules? No doubt she knew what the consequences could be. I don't understand why you guys feel sorry for her. :shrug

Beyond the Sea 9th February 2006 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn
Are they supposed to throw out all their standards because this girl thinks she is too good for the rules? No doubt she knew what the consequences could be. I don't understand why you guys feel sorry for her. :shrug

Their rules are ridiculous, these girls aren't allowed to live.

nmskalmn 9th February 2006 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by j_nerd
Their rules are ridiculous, these girls aren't allowed to live.

You can live without smoking. That law applies to every 18 yr old in Japan, not just Hello! Project members.

aiko_hoshi 9th February 2006 10:29 PM

it's not tsunku's fault kago was caught.
anyways, it's ufa that makes the rules.
kago was dumb enough to get caught, she needs to deal with the consequences.
she knows what she can and cannot do. it's no one's fault but hers.

Brittany 9th February 2006 10:37 PM

Yup. It was her fault she decided to pick up smoking and got caught. She knows that she's underage, yet she still decides to do it. She's got to live with the concequences. But with H!P suspending her is too far. She probably got fined by the ones that caught her .. but that's really REALLY too far. Not many follow smoking and drinking rules in Japan (and anywhere else.. :rolleyes), but Japan has to crack down on the cigarettes & alcohol in vending machines and need to card people.

I hear one can just go into a store and buy alcohol without an ID.

ImpactBreaker 9th February 2006 10:40 PM

Guys how are you even sorry? Her suspension was a great thing and I hope they won't be easy on her just because she's famous. If in Japan it is against law to smoke underage, then why break the laws?
I hope the suspension will make the girl think about the consequences of smoking. I also hope this will serve as a lesson to other japanese people since she's famous and the news are probably widespread by now.

superdonut 9th February 2006 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe - with a - L
I hope the same thing won't happen to Kago as it did with Mari:no

What happened to Mari~? Did she smoke too?

Brittany 9th February 2006 10:46 PM

I think Mari was caught with a guy or something. Not sure.

I think that suspending her was wayyyyy overboard. Look, singers/actors are 'role models,' but I feel they aren't because, they are normal people as well and are human. They make mistakes and pay for them in the end. They live and learn.

It's like saying celebrities in America or any place else isn't banned from acting if they get accuations of doing drugs.

Beyond the Sea 9th February 2006 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn
You can live without smoking. That law applies to every 18 yr old in Japan, not just Hello! Project members.

And what about Mari Yaguchi dating?

aiko_hoshi 9th February 2006 11:05 PM

idols have different rules than just a singer or actor/actress. they are supposed to be pure and innocent.

kago getting suspended, imo, isn't that big of a deal. it's just a road she has to take and hopefully she realizes if she's gonna smoke, she'll do it in the privacy of her own home.

and mari knew she wasn't allowed to have a boyfriend. again, it's the rule of an idol and she KNEW that. at least, if she was gonna have a boyfriend, try harder not to get caught.
she had lied to her company earlier and said she didn't have a boyfriend when asked. it's better to come clean then to end up getting caught.

it's just what comes along with being an idol. you go into the industry, no matter what you have an image you HAVE to uphold.

orenji_jaro 9th February 2006 11:21 PM

ai kago doesn't look like someone who could smoke or do that... >___<"
what happent o her... she's over now... danger danger!
kotoko!!!

ImpactBreaker 9th February 2006 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brittany
I think Mari was caught with a guy or something. Not sure.

I think that suspending her was wayyyyy overboard. Look, singers/actors are 'role models,' but I feel they aren't because, they are normal people as well and are human. They make mistakes and pay for them in the end. They live and learn.

It's like saying celebrities in America or any place else isn't banned from acting if they get accuations of doing drugs.

She commited a crime. Some people actually get fired from certain jobs when they become criminals. It's not overreaction, we should be gkad she was only suspended. :) Plus do we even know what was written in the terms when she signed in for the job? The terms were probably clear enough that she should stay away from problem. Since she's underage the company could get sued by the family accusing the company for the fact the girl ended up starting smoking. It was more than fair and definitely not an overreaction. (what if the other Hello! Project! girls parents get worried about their underaged daugthers working along people who break laws such as Ai and decide that their children shouldn't work for the company anymore? There are way too many issues that could justify the reason for her suspension. It was not random.)
And yep, I agree she's just like normal people. Normal people could get fired or suspended from their jobs for breaking laws so the same things should stick to artists.

Beyond the Sea 9th February 2006 11:35 PM

Its illegal for minors to buy cigarettes in my state, but not to smoke them.

elepop 10th February 2006 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by j_nerd
Their rules are ridiculous, these girls aren't allowed to live.

Are you kidding me? Smoking basically means you have a huge chance to, well, die. Smoking is not "cool" and should be taken seriously. Especially when you're still young.

walking proud 10th February 2006 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by superdonut
What happened to Mari~? Did she smoke too?

Mari Yaguchi was caught with a guy (by a weekly magazine called "Friday"), and since H!P wanted her to have the "single" image, they all decided it was best she left Momusu. She pinned it on something like "it's time to move on" in her last interview, though.

stardusties 10th February 2006 04:31 AM

oh man that's not cool, I don't know how serious Japan takes on smoking, [i really don't know how they take it here in the states either, they seem to let stuff go easily...] but i do know Asian countries, or atcually..any country OTHER than the US is very strict on their rules with pretty much all illegal activity.
So I think her getting away with just a suspension is maybe not as marsh as it should be. Nacchi was suspended on terms of plagarism, but i don't know which is worse of the two..smoking or plagarism....

eh, anyway, maybe she is doing it for the weight loss, but the best+most effective way for her to do that is to get rid of her kuso girl title and start working out and excersizing because smoking is extremely unhealthy. and She needs to learn that,

Kikaru 10th February 2006 05:16 AM

Well, to be honest, she kind of brought it upon herself. First of all, smoking is not healthy anyways, and I do hope it quites, just for the sake of her health. Second of all, it's not just a H!P rule, but like someone said before, it applies to everyone in Japan. Had she been at some other job, she would have faced the same consequence. But I do hope she's not suspended for too long. W songs are rather growing on me. :)

With the Mari issue, I do think that was a little overboard. Sure, she knew, but she was over 21 at that point, and she should be able to make her own decisions.

starr5245 10th February 2006 08:36 AM

That's pretty sad!!! Since she's in the group for years, it seems to abrupt to end her career in Morning Musume now...

bluegie 10th February 2006 09:21 AM

I think suspension is good enough for aibon. Honestly I hate people smoking. I dun see how COOL you can be when you smoke. If you smoking because you love smoking, I have nothing to say except "take care yourself." If you do that because of the former reason, I will definitely say that you can go to hell you are not cool at all. If aibon smokes because she wanna lose weight (which I kinda doubt), she's a moron as well. What's the point of losing weight when you use some methods that will actually damage your body? It's really nonsense anywayz..

I think she deserves for the outcome. How do you define IDOLS? You can't deny that IDOLS are a group of people worshipped by many people, especially the youngsters. What the idols do are being watched by thousands of people. Let's say aibon smokes and some girls thought, "OMG... she looks really cool for that...," "Oh... my friends follow aibons and they start smoking... I will look stupid if I dun..." You know some teenagers really have those thoughts, and how do you stop them? They may think the older ones against them, and/or may even argue with the statement "I look outdated if I dun do blah blah blah." So I dislike idols doing things that have a negative effect on their fans.


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Originally Posted by walking proud
Mari Yaguchi was caught with a guy (by a weekly magazine called "Friday"), and since H!P wanted her to have the "single" image, they all decided it was best she left Momusu. She pinned it on something like "it's time to move on" in her last interview, though.

Hmmn... I read on a MM forum and some people said that she had done this in purpose. She wanna leave MM (or the upfront management?) to move on... that's why she let the paparazzi took the pictures.. I dunno.. :headache

walking proud 10th February 2006 03:13 PM

I think that she deserves the same treatment as everyone else in Japan, but suspension is a bit far....

andre2907 10th February 2006 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by walking proud
Note: In Japan, the legal smoking age is 20.

ROFL. 20?! It's scary how in Japan you see many many 12-14 year old smoking. REALLY young kids smoking, lots and lots of them. Even in schools you can see Jr. High students smoking. It's quite surprising the legal age there is 20.

Plus, I think it's true, this girls aren't allowed to live!! Geez, she's 18, she made a mistake, why is she being fired? It's not like you can't see underage kids in Japan smoking in almost every corner and public place. And WTF, Mari Yaguchi being fired because she was IN A SUPERMARKET WITH A GUY? Please, give me a break! And Ami Suzuki being blackmailed? In US, younger celebrities do much worst things and nothing happen to them..

superdonut 10th February 2006 05:10 PM

Hmm... I think they are being a little harsh... probably because where I'm from, so many young kids smoke. To me, I just think it's stupid, but if you want to do it to yourself... go ahead... ^^; I never really thought about it, but I suppose idols do have to be pure... so smoking, no boyfriends... but they are human...

Also... Ai is suspended... does that mean that she'll come back? Because, even though she was a bit stupid in smoking (and getting caught... haha ^^ ) I really like her...

devilayu 10th February 2006 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bluegie
Hmmn... I read on a MM forum and some people said that she had done this in purpose. She wanna leave MM (or the upfront management?) to move on... that's why she let the paparazzi took the pictures.. I dunno.. :headache

Regarding Mari, I think that's just hate talk because a lot of her (former) fans started booing her at appearances because after her leave from MM, she was getting more on-air time by herself. From the clips I've seen, Mari was genuinely upset about leaving and there's a possibility that she was pressured to make an announcement since she is an idol.

As for Kago, I think she's adorable but breaking the law is and should be punishable. The suspension isn't surprising (tons of idols get suspended for one reason or another, look at the recent NewS debacle, although that is more serious) and I doubt that it will affect her career in H!P. She'll probably bounce back after months of not working because Tsunku does keep the girls in the family even after a scandal.

drewbilation 10th February 2006 06:33 PM

^ Yeah, like what happened with Nacchi's scandal back in '04.

SunshineSlayer 10th February 2006 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn
You can live without smoking. That law applies to every 18 yr old in Japan, not just Hello! Project members.

Yes, but the problem is that law is almost never enforced. I would say at least 50% of underage highschoolers in Japan smoke. Japan is a smoking country, it doesn't have the same negative stigma to it that is attached to it in the US and some other countries. Only now are they starting to get a little bit more smoking conscious. The only reason Kago is getting in trouble for this is because she is an "idol." Which is one of the many reasons why I'm glad Ayu got out of that business.

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Originally Posted by Brittany
She probably got fined by the ones that caught her .

No she didn't. Law enforcement or any legalities have not gotten involved at all. The only people making a big deal out of this is her own Agency and the crazy fan boys.

She is an 18 year old girl who made a mistake and had a cigarette. She does not in any way deserve the way she is being treated now. W's album and single have even been cancelled. I'm thinking there might be something else going on behind the scenes for Up Front Agency to be having this big of a reaction. (It's primarily them that make these decisions, not Tsunku as far as I know.)

In short, cut the girl some slack. She is allowed to have a rebellious streak at her age - if she didn't, she would be sub-human. Let these girls live and make their mistakes.

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Originally Posted by walking proud
I think that she deserves the same treatment as everyone else in Japan, but suspension is a bit far....

If she got the same treatment as a normal person in Japan, nothing would happen to her. After having lived in Japan, trust me, most people consider this law a joke. It was created in 1900(!). I've seen teens smoke all the time on school grounds, with teachers around and the most anyone ever does is tell them to put it out.(but even that is rare, usually because the teachers themselves are smokers^_^)

And of COURSE Kago knows smoking is bad for you. But smoking isn't the problem, it is the symptom of a problem. Her just quitting smoking won't solve the original problem be it stress or weight issues or what not. I personally believe she started smoking a few months ago because you saw her slim down a bit. You'd be suprised how many girls take up smoking to lose weight rather than dieting because it is a quick fix. And really, with the amount of pressure that there is to be petite in Japan(even more so than the US), I can understand the reasons why she would. Not that it is right, but I can put myself in someone elses shoes and understand.

Obviously I'm passionate about this subject. :) It just bugs me that so many "fans" can be so devoted to these girls, but the second that they make any sort of mistake people turn their backs on them. They really aren't allowed to make mistakes and be human.

As I've said before, I think the whole idol industry needs a major change because as it is now I think any psychologist would tell you it is emotionally and mentally unhealthy for the girls in the long run. Mari had the right idea to get out.

aiko_hoshi 10th February 2006 08:28 PM

exactly. she is an IDOL. she isn't supposed to be seen as a human, but something more than that.
and showing that she smokes isn't an IDOL behavior.

kago knows this. it's her fault. and now she has to deal with the backlash.

SunshineSlayer 10th February 2006 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aiko_hoshi
exactly. she is an IDOL. she isn't supposed to be seen as a human, but something more than that.
and showing that she smokes isn't an IDOL behavior.

kago knows this. it's her fault. and now she has to deal with the backlash.

As I just said, the idol industry needs to change. It puts completely unrealistic and unfair expectations on these girls.

bluegie 10th February 2006 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer
As I just said, the idol industry needs to change. It puts completely unrealistic and unfair expectations on these girls.

I quite disagree with you on this topic. Like I said, idols are people worshipped by lots of people, especially the young ones. If kago smoking is nothing at all, what do the young girls think? They will probly say that "it looks really cool to smoke" or "i wanna be like kago... if I smoke, people will respect me blah blah". It's like aibon is delivering a wrong message to the young ones. To me it's not about the crazy boy-fans or the management team (probly they may have a different meaning to kago's smoking tho :D). I dun care what those stupid boys or upright's doing. I just care about the negative impact on the teenager's somking habit..

ohsixthirty 10th February 2006 09:19 PM

it just seems really harsh to kick her out...

nmskalmn 10th February 2006 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer
Yes, but the problem is that law is almost never enforced. I would say at least 50% of underage highschoolers in Japan smoke. Japan is a smoking country, it doesn't have the same negative stigma to it that is attached to it in the US and some other countries. Only now are they starting to get a little bit more smoking conscious.

Then this is a step in the right direction. She is in the public eye and if people, especially younger H!P members, look up to her that is every reason to come down harshly. I just don't see why you think it's okay for this girl to smoke and not face any consequences.


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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer
As I've said before, I think the whole idol industry needs a major change because as it is now I think any psychologist would tell you it is emotionally and mentally unhealthy for the girls in the long run. Mari had the right idea to get out.

Probably, but that's a whole other topic from smoking.

bluegie 10th February 2006 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by touchedstar
it just seems really harsh to kick her out...

oh they haven't kicked her out yet. i bet it will be another 2-3 month suspension :P

SunshineSlayer 10th February 2006 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn
Then this is a step in the right direction. She is in the public eye and if people, especially younger H!P members, look up to her that is every reason to come down harshly. I just don't see why you think it's okay for this girl to smoke and not face any consequences.


Probably, but that's a whole other topic from smoking.

I never said that. I'm saying it's unfair that she is the only one facing consequences for this and if she weren't an idol it wouldn't be happening and that the consequence does not fit the crime.

And normally smoking and idols would be two different things but in this case they are directly related.

I'm just dissatisfied with the whole idol making machine. I love a lot of the music in H!P and I think the girls are great. What I don't like however is that they are not allowed to do anything even remotely wrong which is an essential part of growing up. And, you know, unless someone commits a serious crime, they should be able to do that without losing their careers. ^_^ I really don't think that is asking too much. Otherwise they will just grow up to be very emotionally stunted adults and I certainly don't want another situation like what happened with Okada Yukiko to arise.

Really, it's many peoples reaction to this that bugs me more than the situation itself. Not necassarily here, but on other boards and on Japanese boards where things are being said like, "she should just go become a housewife now" or "she is a useless human being who should go away and good riddance." These coming from the same people who just a few days ago would have bought a Kago t-shirt but now since she doesn't fit what their idea of perfect is anymore she is "useless." Like she is just a piece of property that belongs to them. THAT aspect of the idol industry definitely needs to change.

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Originally Posted by bluegie
I quite disagree with you on this topic. Like I said, idols are people worshipped by lots of people, especially the young ones. If kago smoking is nothing at all, what do the young girls think?

As far as I can tell there really aren't many kids in the fandom anymore. And if kids are going to get any idea about smoking it would first be from their parents, teachers, parents friends' etc. Kids grow up with a lot of smoking adults in Japan.

*Petit* 10th February 2006 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Really, it's many peoples reaction to this that bugs me more than the situation itself. Not necassarily here, but on other boards and on Japanese boards where things are being said like, "she should just go become a housewife now" or "she is a useless human being who should go away and good riddance." These coming from the same people who just a few days ago would have bought a Kago t-shirt but now since she doesn't fit what their idea of perfect is anymore she is "useless." Like she is just a piece of property that belongs to them. THAT aspect of the idol industry definitely needs to change.



I thought that was kind of the whole deal of the japanese aidoru persona. They're not supposed to be "people", they're objects of entertainment. Kind of like the old Geisha was a living doll. To me it seems that this applies especially to the H!P girls. They are always "acting" girly, doing totally useless and stupid things, things that are very entertaining and *Kawaii* though. These "illutions" seems to be a tradition in Japanese culture.

One of ayumi hamasaki's strongest points was (it seems to me at least) that she managed to break through the aidoru status little by little, first and foremost through her lyrics. But she still was considered an aidoru in the beginning, and thus her appeal was directed towards both the ones that enjoy the idols and the fans looking for more "honest" and less manufactured artists. (come to think of it Ayumi actually managed to seem super manufactured and honest at the same time O.o f.ex duty and LOVEppears times.)

SunshineSlayer 10th February 2006 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by *Petit*
I thought that was kind of the whole deal of the japanese aidoru persona. They're not supposed to be "people", they're objects of entertainment.

Yep that's pretty much exactly what it is. I just don't see how it is healthy at all, especially for young girls. Having to only be cute and positive all the time(primarily for the enjoyment of middle aged men) and having to ignore what your less happy emotions are I think would take an emotional and psychological toll on anybody.

And yes, I'm really proud of Ayumi too. I also think that is where much of her inspiration for songs like Real Me and My Names Women comes from - her experiences working as an idol when she was younger.

ImpactBreaker 10th February 2006 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer
I'm just dissatisfied with the whole idol making machine. I love a lot of the music in H!P and I think the girls are great. What I don't like however is that they are not allowed to do anything even remotely wrong which is an essential part of growing up. And, you know, unless someone commits a serious crime, they should be able to do that without losing their careers. ^_^ I really don't think that is asking too much. Otherwise they will just grow up to be very emotionally stunted adults and I certainly don't want another situation like what happened with Okada Yukiko to arise.

she didn't do something wrong, she broke a law. that is far beyond wrong. If they decided to enforce the rules on her but doesn't do it in other japanese people, then the problem is not in this particular case but in many others. The Hello! project company hires underaged girls so I'm sure they pretty much set strict rules in orders fopr them not to be sued. If one of their members broke a law they can't just go hands open and embrace their crime.
If people killed each other in streets and the police didn't do anyrthing and one day an artist killed someone and the artist goes under arrest, would it be harsh for the artist? obviously not. We can't distort facts just because wrong things indeed do happen.
And doing wrong things is not exactly a part of growing up. I grew up without doing them ;)

As for the AIDORU industry, they exist because there are people willing to working for them. Are they cruel? well I think children amnd teens should be studying and not doing business. If they decide to go so young into the dubious and cruel world of fame, that's their own risk. We can't feel sorry for them. The consequences are pretty much well known (fast rises, quicker falls)

marty518 10th February 2006 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn
You can live without smoking. That law applies to every 18 yr old in Japan, not just Hello! Project members.

I unfortunately have to agree. It is a ridiculous rule, of course, but it is a rule that must be obeyed. While underage smoking is a problem everywhere, Ai also had to realize that smoking is against the rules of H!P. As we all know, they can't do lots of things. If they appear "tainted," then 50 year old men won't be as willing to pleasure themselves thinking about the girls. And that is the most important thing about H!P (for the people in charge at least).

As sad as it is, those girls sign away their souls when they join, and if they break a rule, punishment must be enforced.

ImpactBreaker 11th February 2006 12:57 AM

Also, if people think being an idol is being exploited, then why not be happy that she got a suspension from a slavery work? :P

SunshineSlayer 11th February 2006 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker
she didn't do something wrong, she broke a law. that is far beyond wrong.

And once again, there is absolutely no law enforcement involved in this.

I'm tired of arguing about this. I just can't believe that so many people are completely unwilling to show her any sort of compassion. I find that quite sadening. Especially since you were just specifically saying that people have too angellic a view of Ayu at all times in the Startin' PV discussion thread, this is the same thing but in a different situation. I doubt Ayu was a perfect little angel durring her teen years as she has hinted at on several occasions.

Kago is a human being with flaws just like everyone else. I'm not saying she should go unpunished, but really this should not be being dealt with as seriously as it is, not by a long shot. I almost wish she were being punished by the police as that punishement would actually be less severe. She is not only being punished, she is being shamed.(they have removed all merchandise and images of her at the H!P store locations and will be cutting her out of the upcoming Hello Mornings either completley or with a mosaic on her face.) What she needs now more than anything is peoples support, not for people to turn their back on her and I just find it odd that fans of hers have to be convinced of that. She obviously has some problems that need to be worked through or she wouldn't be smoking in the first place.

And we could be here all night talking about what is wrong with the idol business, but I'm not going to. If people don't see anything wrong with it then :rolleyes

edited to add: If I'm sounding too emphatic or overbearing about this subject, I don't mean to be, so I'm sorry for that. This issue just unexpectedly got under my skin for some reason. :)

[ Melinda ] 11th February 2006 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dokidokisuru
^ Yeah, like what happened with Nacchi's scandal back in '04.

Nacchi -scandal? What happened there?

bluegie 11th February 2006 09:54 AM

I understand what you're saying, SunshineSlayer. I dun think fans will turn their back on her (except probly those hardcore boy-fans thinking aibon is an angel). We're just pointing out the fact about what aibon should had known about the consequences before she got caught on smoking. I know ayu smokes, and I know she was probly a bad girl when she was young (I think many fans know about that). When I knew ayu smokes, I had two worries: her health and the negative impact on youngsters. I only hate ayu smokes (the habit), but I dun hate her in person.

Therefore I know why you feel sad about this punishment.. but aibon is a different case. She's been set up as a innocent girl in the beginning by the management team. We know that "innocent girl doesn't smoke". This is the image of aibon. Being a funny girl, love teasing people, yet innocent. She could be forced to be like that, but it's the path she's chosen. If she breaks the image, she breaks the contract as well. Standing in the management's shoes you would suspend aibon as well. Let's think in this way... probly the suspension is just a way of the team to convert aibon from innocent image (which it's broken according to boy-fans) to something else. Probly it's good for her... so she can act more naturally later on.

It's just bad that aibon started with this image. Ayu didn't try to be innocent and cute in the beginning... Thus it may be easier for the public to accept her doing something not really good (e.g., drinks a lot and smokes...:cry) . Same goes to kumi. Some people may think she loves sex and probly loves doing all sorts of cool things, and I always thought she smokes and consumes alcohols... Then I just found out earlier that she doesn't smoke or drink :rolleyes. So here you go, each image must have its own sacrifices.



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Originally Posted by [ Melinda ]
Nacchi -scandal? What happened there?

she plagiarized someone's poem or writings and used on her photobook or something. People found out that in Dec 2004 (and her thing was released back in 2000 or sth..). She's been suspended by the management for like 2 to 3 months. Her popularity did decline quite a bit after this event..

ImpactBreaker 11th February 2006 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer
And we could be here all night talking about what is wrong with the idol business, but I'm not going to. If people don't see anything wrong with it then :rolleyes

No, I actually agree to some extent with you about the idol business. I think it can be extremely rough on the girls and it is a bad thing. My point of view is that such things shouldn't exist. The idea of seeing underaged people being launched in media, having to bear all the pressure from it seriously bothers me. Kago did choose to become an idol though, so she was probably been told about behaviors and stuff (if the company had just randomly suspended her she could sue the company back).

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edited to add: If I'm sounding too emphatic or overbearing about this subject, I don't mean to be, so I'm sorry for that. This issue just unexpectedly got under my skin for some reason. :)
Don't worry, this thread was made to discuss ;) You didn't sound overbearing to me.

Alessia_Tateno 11th February 2006 01:58 PM

for what I know, W new album date is cancelled because of this -.- I dont think Tsunku likes to act like that but the business is business you understand?

hallelujah_united 11th February 2006 02:24 PM

Well, underaged smoking is still a crime since there is a law prohibiting it, and therefore Kago has to be punished. Otherwise underaged people all over Japan are going to be even more confident that they can get away with it than they already are. It's sad but necessary, because she is after all in the public eye.

But it's true that underaged smoking is a really big problem around the world, and there is a need to tackle it more seriously. I'm happy that H!P is taking an appropriate stance (firing her would have been bad because after all she is only 18 and most probably wouldn't have been able to cope with the disappointment) on this issue.

Even though she's committed such a mistake, I hope that she'll be able to bounce back and put this issue behind her. She's been punished, now it's time for her to learn from it and move on.

Mirai Noah 11th February 2006 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hallelujah_united
Even though she's committed such a mistake, I hope that she'll be able to bounce back and put this issue behind her. She's been punished, now it's time for her to learn from it and move on.

Exactly. I hope that she learns from this.

Beyond the Sea 11th February 2006 06:00 PM

I'm just waiting till Gackt's drag queen Grandmother, I mean, Tsunku croaks so then H!P can finally get its act together.

He's ruined her entire career. I doubt she'll be able to get back into the buisness by herself. Personaly, I think the whole "idol" thing is corupt and perverse.

MsMiyabi 11th February 2006 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by micster
omg.... but... what will happen to W's new album... omg....


Most albums are recorded early so No worries. I just wonder how long she is suspended.

Annabelle 11th February 2006 06:59 PM

I read on JPM that the releases of the new W single and album have been cancelled.

walking proud 11th February 2006 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by [ Melinda ]
Nacchi -scandal? What happened there?

She was writing poems in her photobook that were "her's" and she was really ripping them off from elsewhere. Kind of a stupid move, considering how many people read her photobook, there's bound to be someone that notices...

walking proud 11th February 2006 07:17 PM

[edit] I added the consequences to the first post [/edit]

SunshineSlayer 11th February 2006 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker
No, I actually agree to some extent with you about the idol business. I think it can be extremely rough on the girls and it is a bad thing. My point of view is that such things shouldn't exist. The idea of seeing underaged people being launched in media, having to bear all the pressure from it seriously bothers me. Kago did choose to become an idol though, so she was probably been told about behaviors and stuff (if the company had just randomly suspended her she could sue the company back).

Yay, at least we agree about something. :) And I agree, she did choose to become an idol, but it could be argued that since so many members of MM join at a very young age, especially Kago and Tsuji being only 12, that they couldn't fully grasp or appreciate what they would be getting themselves into. Also at that time the Morning Musume audience was very different from what it is today.

Apparently Maki Goto's brother Yuki was fired from Up Front because of underage drinking. Let's hope they don't go that far with Kago. I guess we can just hope for the best.

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I'm just waiting till Gackt's drag queen Grandmother, I mean, Tsunku croaks so then H!P can finally get its act together.

He's ruined her entire career. I doubt she'll be able to get back into the buisness by herself. Personaly, I think the whole "idol" thing is corupt and perverse.

I don't think it's fair to put all the blame on Tsunku. From what I understand, these kind of decisions are all made by the parent company UFA, not him. I can't imagine him treating the girls this way since he himself knows what the media can be like from being in the band Sharan Q. Tsunku himself is essentially an employee of UFA I think.

aiko_hoshi 11th February 2006 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by j_nerd
I'm just waiting till Gackt's drag queen Grandmother, I mean, Tsunku croaks so then H!P can finally get its act together.

He's ruined her entire career. I doubt she'll be able to get back into the buisness by herself. Personaly, I think the whole "idol" thing is corupt and perverse.

like SunshineSlayer said, you can't blame tsunku for this. all he did was create the group, he wasn't the one to give them the rules.
it was kago's mistake for being caught not acting like an idol. letting her guard down wasn't tsunku's fault.

and tsunku always held kago very high. she was one of his favorites...so i don't see how he would "ruin" the career of one of his favorite girls?

there would be no h!p without tsunku. or at least, not one as awesome as the one he has managed.

jigglypuff 12th February 2006 02:57 AM

Ai Kago you serious? Looks can be deceiving, man she's so cute. Heh
good on her for smoking, and underage too. Bad ass chic. :D

cleftjuston 12th February 2006 05:59 AM

i guess she is not as innocent as she looks afterall

SunshineSlayer 12th February 2006 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Akurei
Most albums are recorded early so No worries. I just wonder how long she is suspended.

Actually, I don't think the album was finished since just in Jan. they polled the fans to find out what cover songs should be done for the album.

hightea_xx 12th February 2006 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nmskalmn
You can live without smoking. That law applies to every 18 yr old in Japan, not just Hello! Project members.

i agree... at first when i heard she was getting in trouble, i thought it was silly. but then i realised that in japan, it's not until you turn 20 (and considered an adult...they even have a special day celebrating all 20 year olds once a year!) that you can do things like smoke, drink, drive, vote, etc. i don't see why people are getting angry with tsunku and the upfront agency... it's not as though they are doing anything outlandish, more like following the laws and making a point to show people everywhere that idols are NOT above the law. also, if it is a direct violation of the agency's contract with said idol (which i heard, in this case, it is), then that's also something that they are allowed to take action against. and no one is forced kago to sign that contract, she did it out of her free will (as we know it anyways), so if she agrees to the terms, she has to follow them. I'm not anti-kago by any means, i love her and will be sad to not see her around for a while... but i mean, rules and rules, and they are created for a reason - to be followed, not to be broken.

tinyppl 13th February 2006 05:03 AM

It's hard to picture her smoking really after seeing MM girls so adorably and innocently portrayed in pvs and tv shows, I wonder how are they like in real life?

~Amy~ 13th February 2006 09:51 PM

Here are some pictures of Ai Kago smoking if anyone wants to see....

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http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/8...y0019fk6rb.jpg

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/3...y0035yu3gs.jpg

http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/9...01st1rz7xe.gif

And this was going to be the new outfit for there new single

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/6...69hy9fy6gh.jpg


-Credits to Emaschi on AHO-

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What a shame... The oufits looks so cute too... lol look at Ai Kago's glasses.

HvnSntGurl 13th February 2006 11:58 PM

Thats to bad. Ai's my fave member of MM. I bet she feels bad though getting in trouble over something like that. I'm very supprised though. Those outfits looks so cute.

walking proud 14th February 2006 08:15 PM

the real pressing question is: Does kago wear prescription glasses or were those for fashion/to guard her appearance? D: If it was to guard her appearance, obviously it didn't work very well.


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