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nmskalmn 17th February 2003 09:46 PM

A Ballads cover
 
http://www.sekai.lunarpages.com/pics...5_20030218.jpg

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainm.../02/18/01.html

This article suggests that there will be 4 different jacket designs:

http://chuspo.chunichi.co.jp/00/hou/..._____000.shtml

[Added by Kawai]
Logo here
http://www.avexnet.or.jp/ayu/info/image/balladlogo.gif

Comfirmed info from Official Website

Initial press: special casing + booklet (4 patterns)
Password for website on PC and Mobile Phone.

shinji1698 17th February 2003 09:57 PM

Wow. 2 Ayus' about to kiss! *_*

DigitalGlitter 17th February 2003 09:58 PM

I love the cover! Its a little wierd though. There goes avex withthe different cover designs again >.< but with the way that one looks i can tell that the rest will be very interesting...

eekamouse 17th February 2003 10:44 PM

i like the cover its cute :D very fitting for a cd full of ballads. i can't wait to see the other covers

Biscuitgirl 17th February 2003 10:56 PM

Oh, eww! I do not like this cover at all. It seems Ayu really loves herself a lot. Bleh.

shinji1698 17th February 2003 11:02 PM

Its not bad to love yourself, and the idea for the cover was most likely not Ayu's, but Avex's.

ImpactBreaker 17th February 2003 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by biscuitgirl
Oh, eww! I do not like this cover at all. It seems Ayu really loves herself a lot. Bleh.
LOL I wonder if you watched the PV "WISH" from hitomi.........:laugh


Anyway the cover is good but it makes me feeling so odd...Thanks for the info nmskalmn! :thumbsup

die_no 17th February 2003 11:10 PM

it's not that bad although maybe a bit different/weird from the other covers :) thx...

Belinda 17th February 2003 11:34 PM

i think the cover is very beautiful...

eVe 18th February 2003 12:10 AM

it's a bit strange...but it's not bad :)

angela 18th February 2003 12:22 AM

the covers are nice!! but kinda abit gross.... hEeee~

fantaisie.sign 18th February 2003 12:25 AM

It's a bit odd though. . . but it doesn't look like an actual cover. Maybe it's an eyecatching promo image instead of one of the covers. If so, then it will definately be interesting to see the other covers.

Grantith 18th February 2003 12:29 AM

Ewww that's an ugly cover. I don't like it at all. It would be nice if it didn't look like she's kissing herself. I don't like it. I dunno. It's just fake, like Avex is trying to make her look like something she's not. I dunno. I don't like it. I think it would be a very cool cover if there was only one of her in the picture, just her sorta like sleeping with her eyes closed. That'd be cool.

Thanks for showing us nmskalmn!!!

EdenZone 18th February 2003 12:32 AM

i also don't really like the idea......

Test 18th February 2003 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grantith
It's just fake, like Avex is trying to make her look like something she's not.
How so? That shes not two people? JK. I don't see what you mean.

I think the cover is just beautiful, I see it and I don't think they're about to kiss at all. It looks calm, peaceful. Maybe representing two different parts of Ayu in harmony. Just a thought

Grantith 18th February 2003 12:46 AM

It looks like she's kissing herself. I don't know. My first thoughts were that Avex is trying to stir up controversy to boost sales ya know? Sorta like they're making a provocative cover to sell more. I don't know.

But I'm sure there is some hidden meaning behind the cover. Maybe Ayu will say something about it.....

Welcome to AHS GLAAngel :wave

By the way, didn't Namie Amuro have a PV where she "kissed" herself? lol

fantaisie.sign 18th February 2003 12:47 AM

The more I look at it, the more I dislike it. It just doesn't look like something Ayu would do. Yes, Ayu does do some outrageous covers (i.e. Duty & SURREAL, LOVEppears, UNITE!) to grab attention, but this one is awful. I'm trying my hardest to see the beauty in it, but I simply cannot. It would be different if they weren't going to kiss each other. When I first heard about the album, I thought there would be a cover similar to Dearest, but it looks like the same font from the Dearest cover was used for this one. Why not recycle the Dearest cover? Avex is recycling everything else nowadays. If anyone can find the message in this cover, then that will definately be interesing.

matt 18th February 2003 12:52 AM

If you bothered to read the articles posted, they say the 2 ayu's represent different things:

Ayu on the left represents Ayu from the past (with straight hair)

Ayu on the right represents current Ayu (wavey hair)

I think it's a really beautiful cover. And if you all looked past your really *really* immature "eww theyy're going to kiss!" opinions, you would too.

Test 18th February 2003 12:54 AM

Hmm.. I see what you mean now. But I don't agree with it <g> I think that if they wanted to generate more sales by making the cover provocative they would have just had Ayu half-naked on there or something like that. Basically, there are a lot more ways to make something provocative. Personally I don't see anything provocative about the cover, but maybe it's just me.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I see the cover as a sort of yin and yang thing. Two different parts in harmony together as a whole. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.

I think they're making a killing with profits by simply releasing the same songs again.. ha. Then multiply that by four, for four different covers which people are obviously willing to buy - it certainly helped out H. - and that's big dough. Recording studio time for one song, Rainbow (I'm not sure if any other songs on there are going to be rerecorded a la A Best), and then they only other cost sound be the actual production of the materials. Seems like they'll make a lot. Maybe they're be enough profits to give us some remixes on the next single <g>

Thanks, I'm glad to be here.

Grantith 18th February 2003 12:58 AM

There are ways of expressing those ideas that don't necessarily have to make a scene. I dunno. I personally would have rather seen her maybe hugging herself, or her two halves just being together or embracing each other. But when they're put into postitions so that it looks like they're kissing, then that is done on purpose to make controversy, in my opinion. I just think that the two Ayu's just about kissing each other is trying to be too sexuall. For my tastes, it took the idea of the two Ayus and took it overboard. But that's just me and two cents. :)

By the way, not all of us know Japanese and the autotranslations can be iffy sometimes. And it's especially hard to try to figure out deep meanings like that from an autotranslation.

Test 18th February 2003 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chibinina4
It just doesn't look like something Ayu would do.
Don't think Ayu would kiss herself on the lips in real life.. not physically possible. <g> ^__^

Quote:

Originally posted by matt

If you bothered to read the articles posted, they say the 2 ayu's represent different things:

Ayu on the left represents Ayu from the past (with straight hair)

Ayu on the right represents current Ayu (wavey hair)

I think it's a really beautiful cover. And if you all looked past your really *really* immature "eww theyy're going to kiss!" opinions, you would too.

Thanks matt! I can't read Japanese, otherwise I would have picked up on that. I knew their had to be some sort of significance to it. I really like the cover, it's pretty and has an actual meaning - I like that. I also agree with what you said.

I knew it wasn't just a stunt to sell copies.

Now releasing four covers.....

Grass Monkey 18th February 2003 01:00 AM

I dunno, I kind of like this cover. *hits away the objects thrown at him with a nifty stick™*
Anyone know when this album should come out?

Man, what I'd give to be one of those Ayus.. sleeping next to Ayu... *gets pelted with objects that he didn't see coming.*

EdenZone 18th February 2003 01:00 AM

12 Mar 2003

fantaisie.sign 18th February 2003 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by matt
I think it's a really beautiful cover. And if you all looked past your really *really* immature "eww theyy're going to kiss!" opinions, you would too.
I don't recall saying "Ewwww!" or being immature over the image but it's not typical of Ayu to do such a cover. Therefore, it could be a big turnoff for those seeing the cover(s) for the first time. No, I'm not immature but don't agree with the mechanism used to prove 2 parts becoming one not only with beauty but also with controversy.

ETA: In one autotranslation, the journalist stated:

"Moreover, CD jacket is a unique setup whose Hamazaki manages "two roles of one person." "

Again, I repeat (as Grant also mentioned) there are tons of ways of showing this with beauty, yet why suggest it in a sexual way? Yes there is some beauty in that also but it's both positive and negative. Nowadays people turn to sexuality for attention especially if you look at tATu. Past images that Ayu has done (such as RAINBOW, I am. . ., LOVEppears, UNITE!) turned to bodily image for both beauty and attention, but it seems like Avex is turning toward the growing trend of turning to sexual practices to get attention and publicity. The Ayus could have been holding hands, sleeping, hugging, planting flowers, etc. and that beauty would have still been there. As pointless as a trend it is, it's frustrating to see Ayu/Avex take part with the rest of the crowd.

matt 18th February 2003 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chibinina4
I don't recall saying "Ewwww!" or being immature over the image but it's not typical of Ayu to do such a cover. Therefore, it could be a big turnoff for those seeing the cover(s) for the first time. No, I'm not immature but don't agree with the mechanism used to prove 2 parts becoming one not only with beauty but also with controversy.
I don't remember saying it was you, but if you look back, someone did say it.

I think the cover is beautiful, very tasteful, and not trying to be "provocotive" or "controversial" at all.

Test 18th February 2003 01:13 AM

I have to agree with matt on this one. Not specifically you, Chibinina4, but it seems people can't get past the "they're going to kiss" thing. I don't think matt said that you said "ewww" but others did.

Personally I don't think it even looks like they're going to kiss. Sometimes I lay like that next to my little sister when she can't sleep, and I don't think it would appear that I am going to kiss her.

I think it's typical for Ayu to make beautiful covers - I don't see this one as being any different.

And the 2 becoming 1 thing could have been done to create controversy - the two Ayu's could have been "doing the naked pretzel". I see this as a calm and peaceful way to to that, laying next to eachother in silence and harmony.

That's just my opinion. I'm not trying to start anything (I hate when people do that), just defending my side of it.

CREA 18th February 2003 01:21 AM

I don't see where the all the bloody "controversy" is. Christ, get over it. Does it look like she's doing anything provocative? I'd say not.

Piccolo 18th February 2003 01:23 AM

That cover is insane. What were they thinking? I don't like it too much.

Grantith 18th February 2003 01:26 AM

I said ewwww because I don't like the cover. Now I'm not saying "they're about to kiss so I won't try to look at the meaning behind it." I see what the meaning behind it is, I just think there are other ways of doing it without being provocative. I'm not saying Ayu is bad and Avex is evil, I'm just saying that I personally don't like this cover.

They put her in a position so that she's not kissing, but she is soooo close to be kissing. If the two Ayu's were lieing there together in a calm and peaceful way, then I think I would like the cover because it's like the two sides of Ayu together in harmony. It's nice and beautiful, but when you put them in a position so that they are just about kissing, then I think it's not as tastefull. But that's just my belief. And not having arguments is a good thing. Peacefull discussions are good. :)

CREA we are expressing our opinions. We're not freaking out or going crazy. We are just expressing our thoughts, and anyone here can express their opinion as long as they aren't rude to other people.

shinji1698 18th February 2003 01:34 AM

I think it's a visually beautiful cover. If you look at it as art, it's very peaceful.

Test 18th February 2003 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chibinina4
why suggest it in a sexual way?
Honestly, if they were going for sexy, she would have been lying in the bed naked. There are so many ways to be sexual, but I think that this is far from benig anything like that.

Grant - I still don't see the kissing thing. What you described as being what you would see if the kissing wasn't there is what I see right now, and what I think they were going for. Now, nothing personal, but it seems to me like you just proved what matt said - if you could just get past the kissing part. I'm not saying you're being immature, but that if you ccan get past the kissing thing that you could see what those who think it's beautiful see in it, ne? ^__^

edited to use the color tomato :)

CREA 18th February 2003 01:40 AM

I'm not trying to come off as rude, but some of the people who have posted are going a bit out of their way to make out this cover and concept are outlandishly controversial. Do you all have a problem with two females or males kissing on any other occasion? I don't find any type of "sexual" theme to this at all. I don't understand anyone else could either. It's just ridiculous. Furthermore, I have never seen an 'outrageous' cover from Ayu. I found nothing 'outrageous' about appears, UNITE!, LOVEppears, or any other cover she has shown some "skin."

EdenZone 18th February 2003 01:42 AM

haha...... peace..............

Test 18th February 2003 01:45 AM

Crea, I agree. I don't think that the covers you mentioned were anything outrageous. I think that anything that showed skin was done tastefully, and not an attempt to be provocative or a cheap attempt to sell albums. I do know, however, that the LOVEppears cover did cause a bit of controversy in Japan.

For all those from the US - I'm reminded of John Ashcroft covering up the statues whose breasts were showing when he gave a speech. Is something art, or is it sexual? I think that's what's at the heart of this discussion

Grantith 18th February 2003 01:47 AM

Crea, that's your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What's outlandish and crazy to one person might be perfectly normal to someone else, because everyone thinks differently and they might see things in a different way.

shinji1698 18th February 2003 01:50 AM

Well if you can't at least see one thing as art ont he cover, then you need to open your mind a little. Poeple are making it seem like it's pornography or something!

EdenZone 18th February 2003 01:50 AM

the cover gives me an ease of mind instead now..........

fantaisie.sign 18th February 2003 01:54 AM

Everyone has their own opinion of what art is. Some interpret it in one way while others interpret it as another. It is not anyone's position to criticize those who see art differently as others might.

I never said that art never involved sexuality. In fact, I never said it wasn't art at all. The only point I'm making is that I dislike how Avex carried out their idea of harmony with a suggested kiss between both Ayus and that there are plenty of other ways that this could have been done. Period.

Plus, it's very easy to see that a kiss is suggested. Look at the position of both Ayus' hands and the formation of the lips on the far right. If Avex was not implying this at all, then they would have never set them in such a position. Sure one could be lying upon the other or next to each other in some way, but not with the same arm position and lip position seen whenever 2 people will kiss. Call me immature all you want but it's in the picture.

trainspotter01 18th February 2003 01:58 AM

this is an EXTREMELY BEAUTIFUL cover, really really like it
this is just the sweetest cover i've ever seen
personally, i dun see it as they r gong to kiss (and evey if they were, so wat?)
and it's not that controversal of ayu's cover.......LOVEppears? more a talk of the moment than a controversy stir up

some ppl think too much
i do think that sometimes ppl try too hard to put a lot of things in a sexual kind of way

Test 18th February 2003 02:07 AM

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Crea just can't see your side of it, just as you can't see his side of it.

It's in the picture? Look at the different interpretations of it already. Obviously, what is in the picture, or what it means is also a matter of opinion.

I didn't say you said that art didn't involve sexuality, or that this wasn't art. Not everything that is being said is directed to you personally ^__^ What I said was that at the heart of the discussion is the issue of art vs. sexuality - is it just trying to be an artistic expression, or it is trying to be something more provocative.

Obviously, I don't see it the same way as you, so to suggest that it's very easy for someone to see two people (or would that be one person :)) about to kiss, is all a matter of interpretation - I think, because personally I don't think it is that easy to look at that and see it, but maybe that's just me.

What Avex is implying? Or *your* interpretation of what Avex is implying?

Would it be appropriate to say what Ayu is implying? who knows, I think it would be safe to say that if it's suggesting something so personal, that Ayu had a big role in it. She probably didn't want this compilation (from her dislike of the A Best) but she'd probably have some control over the artist vision of it - she has a lot of control over her image. It seems that when people talk about something they see and don't like with Ayu that Avex was in control of it, if they see something they like Ayu was in control of it. I've noticed that before. If it's done subconciously, or just from a lack of really knowing who's making what decisions, who knows.

CREA 18th February 2003 02:21 AM

It's common knowledge that Ayu usually controls all aspects of what her single/album covers, concepts, image, etc. It just seems that people who don't like a certain concept automatically blame it on avex as some type of evil 'scheme' to sell more copies. I'm sure Ayu was the one to choose this, because it's very creative and original overall. Who knows? Maybe she is just another one of avex's pawns and the booklet will have her doing something else 'controversial' like wear a bikini top. end sarcasm

Sorry, I'm just trying to lighten up this conversation, because all the sudden it seems really dumb.

fantaisie.sign 18th February 2003 02:28 AM

I already posted this:

in one autotranslation a journalist stated: "Moreover, CD jacket is a unique setup whose Hamazaki manages "two roles of one person." "

So all we know is that it's showing 2 roles of one person even though the purpose of using that particular image isn't known.

I can already see where this bickering will lead so just let it rest. Some like it, some don't, but don't start labeling people as immature and such for seeing it in a different way.

Test 18th February 2003 02:36 AM

Bickering? I came here thinking it was a discussion forum. We can't express opinions here?

Not everyone who will see the cover, or buy the album, would have seen the article. so - a picture to express an idea. Not unreasonable.

Only one person even called anyone immature, I think you're blowing it out of proportion. Most people here were simply discussing their views on the cover, I assume this is acceptable at a forum.

Chireresu 18th February 2003 02:58 AM

Maybe the cover means that Ayu is alone and only has herself and needs an 11 year old kid named Charlie to marry her...wait...I'm 11 and I am named Charlie!Yay, I knew that if Ayu was a pervert than her intrest would be in me!!!!!!!!!!!No one else gets her except me!*dances*

boogieordie 18th February 2003 03:08 AM

heehehe.. goofball.. ^_^

Ashley

mimika 18th February 2003 03:20 AM

this reminds me of amuro namie's pv for "wishing on the same star"..where at the end..two amuro namie are actually hugging and kissing each other....

i haven't read deep into the meanings or implications of the rumoured cover...but i personally find it a bit uncomfortable....

Chireresu 18th February 2003 03:42 AM

I am not a goofball!The fumes from Mary's joint came through my speakers and I am really high now.

Biscuitgirl 18th February 2003 03:44 AM

Well, you know, this album has been ultra controversial ever since we first saw the first news of one. So why not a controversial cover to go along with it? No matter which way you look at it, the cover is suggesting that the two Ayus are about to kiss. It's provocative. Point blank. I suppose I can see the beauty in it, but whenever I look at it, I see that provocativeness and it makes Ayu look like a lesbian and a narcissist. I usually love Ayu's covers (I am..., M, evolution, Duty, Voyage, and Rainbow are a few of my favorites), but this one is just unattractive. I'm sorry.

Chireresu 18th February 2003 03:46 AM

Maybe it is just a fake that Avex released and the real cover will be a surprise!Hey, it could happen!

shinji1698 18th February 2003 03:50 AM

does anyone know if Teddy Bear will be on this album? I really like that song. :D

samuraiDRIVE 18th February 2003 03:52 AM

I think this cover is beautiful. She chose the cover, she pose for it... I'm sure she had an idea of what she wanted to portray when she made the cover, and it probably isn't that she's a lesbian.

Chireresu 18th February 2003 03:56 AM

If Ayu were a lesbian than the World would have died by now!

Unimatrix Prime™ 18th February 2003 03:57 AM

I can't believe I missed this thread today!! x_X

whoa... that's quite the cover! It's very different from anything she's done in the past, and it kind of reminds me of the anime "Revolutionary Girl Utena" for some reason :P

Is Ayu once again going in a different direction? Well.. only time will answer that question, but I don't have any problems with the new look ^^

Ayutada 18th February 2003 04:03 AM

i think its a funny cover. lol. kinda wierd, but whatever, it's Ayu.

Biscuitgirl 18th February 2003 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by samuraiDRIVE
I think this cover is beautiful. She chose the cover, she pose for it... I'm sure she had an idea of what she wanted to portray when she made the cover, and it probably isn't that she's a lesbian.
I wasn't implying that Ayu is a lesbian, I was just saying that the cover gives strange connotations. It's different. I guess I will just have to accept it like that.

miruku 18th February 2003 04:34 AM

the cover looks pretti beautiful...

but it leave it *too much* to the imagination

kawai 18th February 2003 04:41 AM

I think it would be better for those who made such comments to edit out your posts a bit IMO.

Anyway matt, you know japanese well?

fantaisie.sign 18th February 2003 04:43 AM

Biscuitgirl perfectly explains the point that myself and Grant have made. It's not that the cover is bad, but it is provocative and controversial no matter how you look at it. Honestly, no one can look at it and say that it will not stir up anything even if you think it does or doesn't have the kiss image to it. Whether it was moreso of Ayu's idea or Avex's idea to create such an image, it really was done in a very provocative manner not only to show beauty or creativeness but to definately arouse attention. Yes, the attention factor was stirred but in a completely different manner than other Ayu covers have. If this shows that Ayu will continue in tATu's form of gathering attention, then so be it.

It will definately be interesting to see what the other 3 covers will be to see if this theme will continue or not. I still think it could possibly be a promo image since it simply doesn't look like an album cover. In a way it does look fake for an actual cover but we'll see what other news will develop.

Takke 18th February 2003 04:59 AM

wooow i really really love this cover!

mimika 18th February 2003 05:05 AM

it happens before that rumour covers turn out to be just some promo pics...itz possible given avex history of ever chaning to the last minute (from list of songs to cover to release date etc etc) that the actual cover would be different

we'd all have to wait and see....

ImpactBreaker 18th February 2003 05:35 AM

To both sides, or whatever side you are LOL:

It's not immature to express a feeling you feel while looking at that cover. I bet everyone, even the ones who don't admit it thought at least once in the cover: "Are the Ayus about to kiss?" "Is Ayu a narcissist or want to show she loves herself very much?" "Does Ayu want to imply anything about the same sex having a relationship?" "Hmm there is possible other interpretations for that cover. what would it be?"
These are thougts that pass in ANYONE's mind....If you think i'm lying just go and show that cover to your mother and ask what's her opinion, and ask other people too.
Some people are taking it to a more sexual side because it is a ballads cd. Ballads are often romantic songs that talk about 2 person s loving each other.
For the others who see it in a different way, it's just a way of thinking. Nothing will tell the real purpose of that cover unless there's an official explanation of it, so if you see that cover as like the 2 Ayu's aren't to kiss themselves and is something completely different don't go on holding the world in your hands as if you were the guardian of truth.
I'm not saying if the cover is disgusting or if it's pretty but those question SURELY comes to ANYONE'S mind. That's what probably makes some feel more uneasy than other. This is a forum for discussion but it's also a forum for respect! You people can not agree with others opinions and show where are the flaws in that but to use these opinions to directly hurt the person who posted it is unforgivable in my opinion and that's what some are doing here!
SO CALM DOWN EVERYONE!:)

Ibitsu Kokoro 18th February 2003 05:54 AM

Many people don't find gay/lesbian relationships disturbing. Many do find it disturbing. I am not saying that I am against gay/lesbian relationships. It just made me really uncomfortable when I saw this cover. The ayu we know is not lesbian. There is not a logical explaination for the cover right now, so I think we should stop guessing.

Biscuitgirl 18th February 2003 05:56 AM

Okay, impact! You are our PEACEMAKER/PEACEWEAVER/MOTHER!

ImpactBreaker 18th February 2003 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by biscuitgirl
Okay, impact! You are our PEACEMAKER/PEACEWEAVER/MOTHER!
Mother?:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes LOL:laugh :roflmao :laugh

Biscuitgirl 18th February 2003 06:02 AM

Ayu should have posed with Nagase in that pose. Now that's a cover I would have liked to see.

skyline 18th February 2003 06:23 AM

he he... this cover remind me of that anime Chobits (Dark Chii and Chii face to face and kissing). I can see many are disturbed by the new cover. But that not signs of lesbianism.:cool

PinkSock 18th February 2003 06:44 AM


Geez. I didn't think that so many people would dislike the cover... I think it's gorgeous!
and it's cute too! and funny in a way because it can be interpreted so differently.
Oh well. I think it's awesome.

jxxxxxxxxxxxxx 18th February 2003 07:01 AM

theres really no sexual suggestions to this cover at all. if there are, youre putting them there yourself.

ive layed that close to someone and not kissed them. maybe you have yet to experience love like that? so you misunderstand.

and maybe, the physical interaction between the two is just a nifty way to show off such a cool special effect.

if this cover is offending you or making you uncomfortable, its possible that youre a little more conservative and/or homophobic than you think. and if thats the case, youre letting it get in the way of appreciating a very beautiful and loving image.

Biscuitgirl 18th February 2003 07:22 AM

Aye, you're jumping in there a little late, bud! :laugh

ImpactBreaker 18th February 2003 07:25 AM

Well the discussion can still go on when the forum gets crowded again LOL:laugh

Biscuitgirl 18th February 2003 07:30 AM

I guess so! This thread has only been up a day and already has gotten much debate! Controversial cheers to the the debatably most controversial Ayu album yet: A Ballads!

trainspotter01 18th February 2003 07:32 AM

lol
ppl have diff opinions......so be it~

biscuitgirl: why is this album controversal when we first heard it?

Ayuspeed: oh so u find me disturbing lol!

fantaisie.sign 18th February 2003 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jxxxxxxxxxxxxx
ive layed that close to someone and not kissed them. maybe you have yet to experience love like that?
Hurray for you. Been there and still am.

Quote:

if this cover is offending you or making you uncomfortable, its possible that youre a little more conservative and/or homophobic than you think. and if thats the case, youre letting it get in the way of appreciating a very beautiful and loving image.
Again, people are giving titles to people that they don't even know including everyone in the forum who dislikes the picture. If I (or others) are supposedly homphobic, then why would I like tATu? I myself am an art freak in a variety of ways and think that all art is beautiful no matter what it is, yet I'll stand by my position as it being a provocative image. Plus it's not yours nor anyone's position to label people that you don't even know just because they have opinions contrary to your liking.

skygunner 18th February 2003 08:33 AM

les

jxxxxxxxxxxxxx 18th February 2003 09:02 AM

biscuitgirl says: "Aye, you're jumping in there a little late, bud!"

since when is there a limit on when someone can add their opinion? would you have said that to anyone who would have posted next, or are you just holding a grudge?

chibinina4 reports: "Again, people are giving titles to people that they don't even know including everyone in the forum who dislikes the picture... ...Plus it's not yours nor anyone's position to label people that you don't even know just because they have opinions contrary to your liking."

i dont get it. you quoted my words yourself in big bold print. you could NOT have missed the words "it is possible..." but i guess you did.

i wasnt calling anyone anything. you dont have to lecture me on "its not your place to label people." 'cause i didnt.

but if youre the type of person to see the words "homophobia" and "conservative," and immediately defend yourself (when your not even a target) then maybe its a little too defensive for somebody whos not those things. get my drift?

so ill stand by my opinion too: this is a beautiful image. im very proud of ayumi hamasaki posing for such a cover, knowing how controversial it could be. whether it was her own idea or not, she's very brave. can that be agreed on (at least)?

uraayu25 18th February 2003 10:05 AM

I find that the cover looks special, although it looks abit weird..........:rolleyes

sunny 18th February 2003 12:59 PM

i'm also a bit :shrug

the :comfort cd cover is shocking....

well, may be on ayu's point of view that's her way to express what "love" is....

but her expression is so..... :D

hmm.. i thought this cd release is only a rumor...
well, lets wait and see for it's selling achievement

EdenZone 18th February 2003 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by ImpactBreaker
Well the discussion can still go on when the forum gets crowded again LOL:laugh
yup... agree !!!! :roflmao

boogieordie 18th February 2003 01:41 PM

Chibi -
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It's not that the cover is bad, but it is provocative and controversial no matter how you look at it.
Obviously not, others have more than said the don't see that. So there are other ways of looking at it.


biscuitgirl -
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Ayu should have posed with Nagase in that pose. Now that's a cover I would have liked to see.
Now that I could see as being sexual. So what's the problem with the cover? That it's too "sexual" or that it's two girls?

Ashley

SpiceSquad! 18th February 2003 02:53 PM

Dunno like the cover at all.
 
personaly..i dunno like much the cover of AYU 'a ballads'.
i was very shock to see the cover (although there still no official cover confirm) of AYU new album. Its kinnda weird to see AYU on the cover. As AYU fan i don't have any negative thingking about the album cover, but what i scare of is about people (non AYU fan) opinion about the cover of the album. People always have negative mind if their see something odd or weird on famous star.
If AVEX is smart enough, i bet AVEX will change the covers.
:weep

SurrealDreams 18th February 2003 03:31 PM

I personally don't have a problem with the cover at all.
But it seems some people don't like it much.

I wonder what Avex had in mind when they made this, they must have known what the people would think. Or we might have to wait until the 'real' cover comes out? Who knows.

At first I thought it was a bit unusual! But that didn't matter because the cover looked really nice and made sense. Especially after referring to what matt said. :)

Again, I really like this cover. Its a kiss, implying a close relationship between the old Ayu and the new Ayu. :D
Sweeeeeeet! :D

bulmasman 18th February 2003 03:39 PM

I personally think the cover is beautiful. I love the idea or Ayu past and Ayu future coming together in such a loving pose.

My own interpretation is that Ayu is proud of everything she has done in her career up until now and so she loves that aspect of herself (but not in a big headed way). I think it is saying that you should not hate yourself for anything that you have done in your life. But thene again, that's just my interpretation.

I think this is beautiful beyond belief but I also can see what everyone else is getting at with this thread. I admit this will stir up controversy, but I am very comfortable with the image myself.

Biscuitgirl 18th February 2003 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by jxxxxxxxxxxxxx
biscuitgirl says: "Aye, you're jumping in there a little late, bud!"

since when is there a limit on when someone can add their opinion? would you have said that to anyone who would have posted next, or are you just holding a grudge?

chibinina4 reports: "Again, people are giving titles to people that they don't even know including everyone in the forum who dislikes the picture... ...Plus it's not yours nor anyone's position to label people that you don't even know just because they have opinions contrary to your liking."

i dont get it. you quoted my words yourself in big bold print. you could NOT have missed the words "it is possible..." but i guess you did.

i wasnt calling anyone anything. you dont have to lecture me on "its not your place to label people." 'cause i didnt.

but if youre the type of person to see the words "homophobia" and "conservative," and immediately defend yourself (when your not even a target) then maybe its a little too defensive for somebody whos not those things. get my drift?

so ill stand by my opinion too: this is a beautiful image. im very proud of ayumi hamasaki posing for such a cover, knowing how controversial it could be. whether it was her own idea or not, she's very brave. can that be agreed on (at least)?

Alright, Mr. Debater, who always enjoys jumping in on the controversy. Funny, I never seem to see you post unless you want stur up some heat. Anyway, I have already explained my reasons for my opinions, and I think that you should just drop it and accept Krystal's and my opinions. That's only fair, as I am not going to retaliate and challenge yours. This is not a debate forum, it is a discussion forum. Discuss your opinions, but don't challenge others. :(

JTYC 18th February 2003 04:51 PM

i think that cover's so coool..heee...
so huggy also....^0^

nmskalmn 18th February 2003 07:05 PM

Some more info was posted at Ayu's oficial site:

http://www.avexnet.or.jp/ayu/info/index.htm

It says 4 different booklet patterns. Not sure about the rest...

jxxxxxxxxxxxxx 18th February 2003 08:08 PM

Funny, I never seem to see you post unless you want stur up some heat.

dude get off my back already.. thats already been said sooo many times. this is a forum (fo-rum: a medium of open discussion or voicing of ideas).

i post way more about vinyls and mixing then anything else (maybe you dont read those or something, but try to know what youre talking about on at least some level)

...I think that you should just drop it and accept Krystal's and my opinions

I think youre in no place to bark such as suggestion.

see, i cant even post about ayu now because youve turned it into a discussion about me and attacked my character. i find it frustrating that if i post, all of the attention of my post will be directed towards the fact that i posted and not about what i had to say. you guys seriously need to get over it.

Grantith 18th February 2003 08:25 PM

Ok guys, calm down. People can express their opinions as long as they aren't rude to other people. And instigating an argument by name calling isn't a good way to prove a point. So let's drop this guys. There are ways of expressing your opinions without fighting. Let's keep things friendly.

Belinda 18th February 2003 08:43 PM

ha...i would think the guys think that the picture is interesting ^^;; but maybe not muaha its fun reading the controversy (spell wrong....i cant spell ok?) just over a cover =P her other covers probably have 2 of her in each one.. holding hands....hugging...hmmm i dunno =P*

trainspotter01 18th February 2003 09:25 PM

from the avex site, it says there will be a special internet site for the first press cds, 4 covers, and re-arrange of vocal/music (guessing this one)

Grantith 18th February 2003 10:13 PM

Another special internet site? wow! Thanks for the info!

CREA 18th February 2003 10:30 PM

I hope there aren't 4 variations.. XP Cause I have to always buy all the versions. And I always buy jpn versions, so even more expensive. meh :F

samuraiDRIVE 18th February 2003 10:46 PM

Not sure why there's so much drama about gays/lesbians on this site. How many straight people are there that like Anime/J-pop. It's a common fact that most gay guys like it.

You all probably speak to at least one homosexual just by being on the internet. If indeed this cover was to stir controversy, good. I don't like how's she's portrayed as something she's not, but she is putting the idea out there: Gays/lesbians are all around. We deal with them everyday. And though some of us may not condone the lifestyle, they're still there, and we're gonna have to get over it.


Oh by the way, I know I'm jumping in late too... but I'm allowed to express my opinions.

Anyway, I doubt it's even that. Again, she made the choice to pose. She knew how it would look. And she probably wanted to send out a totally different message. I think it's probably to love yourself as you'd love someone else. How else can you show someone loving themself? They can't very well just be standing there!

CREA 18th February 2003 11:05 PM

Very well put samurai. Very well put.

Grantith 18th February 2003 11:37 PM

There isn't any hate here surrounding gays and lesbians. Any kind of hate speech is not tolerated at this forum.

People might not like the cover, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't like lesbians. I think it's weird that Ayu is kissing herself. That does not mean that I don't like lesbians. That's jumping to conclusions that aren't true. And when people start jumping to conclusions it'll cause conflict. So unless someone directly says something negative about homosexuality, we don't have to drag this issue out and cause more problems because it's not necessary. Some people might not be entirely comfortable with it, but as long as they don't post hate speech here, we won't have priblems.

No one here has said anything hateful, so let's keep it that way and drop this because no one has been disrespectful about it.

This topic has started some conflicts, so lets please try to respect each other's opinions and try to be nice to each other. Everyone doesn't have to agree about everything, but we can be respectful and avoid arguments. Ok? This is a friendly place, so lets try to not to fight. :thumbsup

samuraiDRIVE 19th February 2003 12:01 AM

I'm not trying to fight. I just saw Jxxx and Krystal and Buiscuit arguing, and I was stating a point. We deal with homosexuals everyday, and there are people... not specific people, but there are people out there who don't like it. We as a whole society need to get over it. I wasn't naming names or pointing fingers at anyone here. Just making a general comment.

kazuni 19th February 2003 12:25 AM

IMHO it's an awesome cover - probably will buy it just because of that :)

ImpactBreaker 19th February 2003 02:22 AM

Although the cover makes you think about it, it isn't about homosexuality. It's Ayu with Ayu, not Ayu with another woman and it's not Ayu with a twin sister. If I kissed myself on the mirror I wouldn't be a gay person but a narcissist one. The intention of the cover isn't about homosexuality in my opinion. It can be about narcissism though but not necessarily.

ImpactBreaker 19th February 2003 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by samuraiDRIVE
Not sure why there's so much drama about gays/lesbians on this site. How many straight people are there that like Anime/J-pop. It's a common fact that most gay guys like it.
Didn't understand much of it. The fact that some anime talk freely about homosexuality is not a reason for gay people liking it in my opinion. If most gay/lesbian people liked it than it would be a really great amount of people appreciating japanese culture and JPOP would be more well known, but that doesn't happen at all.

samuraiDRIVE 19th February 2003 03:29 AM

You're talking to someone who's friends with quite a few gays/lesbians. Most of whom happen to appreciate the Japanese culture. But going back to your other post, I agree. I put that at the end of my other post. I don't think it's about being homosexual, but about loving yourself. And you can't see someone loving themself just by standing there. How else would you show it but by admiring yourself? I think it's a great album cover, whatever the message is. It's unique, it's personal, it sends a message.

kawai 19th February 2003 04:33 AM

Read my translation here.
There's no lesbian issue here. End of argument.


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