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Afreek 13th September 2006 01:42 AM

Whats the picture mean??
 
in the memorial address CD there is Ayu in a dress and shes looking in at a "sun" like mirror and there like numbers on it and stuff whats that about??
i dont have a picture of it but if someone does or knows the anwser please post.

alt.total-loser 13th September 2006 01:48 AM

This picture:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...ckmemorial.png
? =/

nmskalmn 13th September 2006 02:22 AM

I think it's a mystery. The only clue maybe is that 0630 is the day before 0701. :shrug

AyuGAME 13th September 2006 02:38 AM

hmm...it has an abstract meaning for me too

alt.total-loser 13th September 2006 02:47 AM

Someone on here said it was the 'death date of her father'. >__> But they didn't give anything to back it up and it seems rather... odd sounding.

BigAyuFan 13th September 2006 02:52 AM

maybe we can try to find the clues off the picture like,why that shape of mirror,or the numbers,the lipstick,and her heels??

alt.total-loser 13th September 2006 03:12 AM

Well. The mirror is like a sun... or a star. Wasn't there a line in Memorial address with the word star? I think there was.
The numbers. 0630. June 30th? I don't know, really.
Lipstick. It's red. o__o It's supposed to go on your lips, but it's on the mirror. Loving the person who died(!)? Kissing it? BLAH!
Her heels are silver. Reflective.

I so went no where with all that.

HiruNoKaze 13th September 2006 06:10 PM

I wonder if it's mentioned somewhere in the sea of lost or untranslated text...

immel 13th September 2006 06:12 PM

^Huge possibility ... well, I've been around for such a short time but the last time I saw this being discussed I think the general consent was that it is a date... after that, no clue.

BigAyuFan 13th September 2006 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meerkitty (Post 871440)
Well. The mirror is like a sun... or a star. Wasn't there a line in Memorial address with the word star? I think there was.
The numbers. 0630. June 30th? I don't know, really.
Lipstick. It's red. o__o It's supposed to go on your lips, but it's on the mirror. Loving the person who died(!)? Kissing it? BLAH!
Her heels are silver. Reflective.
I so went no where with all that.

Well the part about the song is in my sig haha but anyways, alot of pople think the numbers june 30th but there might be other possiblilities but thats the most likely one and isent there a full picture or is that one it??

Norrel 13th September 2006 09:22 PM

Oh my god! The day before July 1st! One of her songs, July 1st!

=O

Wait, RAINBOW came out before Memorial Adress, right? Darn x.x

shavoingin 13th September 2006 09:24 PM

"There are two usual summer events to me. One is the party held every year on June 30, the birthday of the owner of this bar (in Tokyo), when many old friends of mine I can't usually see gather here. To me, that is the one and only unhealthy night of the year, from June 30 to July 1st."

she said that in an interview

nodoka 13th September 2006 10:30 PM

wow i didn't really pay attention to this before but I'm interested now.

BigAyuFan 13th September 2006 10:36 PM

well the only line i found in July 1st is this one that might:eyebrow have something to do with June 30.

If it's fine tomorrow, I will go to that sea
Changing the pain with the tears shed yesterday
Into tenderness

but i dont think Ayus lyrics r that way its definitely about all her past.so i have no idea what the 0630 still means.its to hard to figure out:headache

pbs1605 14th September 2006 07:52 AM

I have no idea what it means but would love to know.

Pulsar 14th September 2006 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAyuFan (Post 872160)
well the only line i found in July 1st is this one that might:eyebrow have something to do with June 30.

If it's fine tomorrow, I will go to that sea
Changing the pain with the tears shed yesterday
Into tenderness

but i dont think Ayus lyrics r that way its definitely about all her past.so i have no idea what the 0630 still means.its to hard to figure out:headache

You pointed out something thats interesting. :yes

Then again...its just a possibility. -might-

immel 14th September 2006 09:18 AM

Well, if you look at that part of the lyrics again, she first sings If it's fine tomorrow, I will go to that sea, that tomorrow would be July 2nd, and while she is at the sea that day she will Change the pain with the tears she shed yesterday - which brings us back to July 1st.

It's an interesting thought, but that is how I interpret it.

Kodayumi 14th September 2006 09:26 AM

^^cool...thanx for that..

I thought it was some 4D numbers...lottery in other words.:P

Aga-chan 14th September 2006 10:23 AM

The inspiration for "July 1st" was not only the birthday party or her day off, but also a photography shown to her during the "Hamasaki Republic" interview.
From masa-san's site:

This article (add: the quote posted by shavoingin) makes it clear why the second song is titled strangely as "July 1st." But the scene sung about in this song is not the party place at night but the sea in the daytime. Why? -- In fact, there was one more thing which lead her to make this song. In the interview of "Hamasaki Republic", she and the interviewer were talking as below, looking at a photo of the sea in a magazine.
 O: How do you think about the sentence? ("If it's fine tomorrow, let's go to the sea.")
 A: Nice. I'm glad to hear someone tell me so, for example. A family member or a friend or a boyfriend. Because if someone tell me so, I'm in his or her future. I'm in his or her tomorrow. I'm glad of that.  ("Hamasaki Republic")


We have to consider that the lyrics who accompaign the picture with "0630" are those for "Greatful days". I don't think ayu would've used this picture if her father had died that day with the lyrics of "Greatful days". It'd be more natural to use it with "Memorial address" then. So I think that "Greatful days" is very much tied to "July 1st" and maybe that's the reason for the "0630" writing. Maybe she wanted to emphasize it.

Sorry, if I didn't make much sense, but I can't think of any other way to put it, now...

BigAyuFan 15th September 2006 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by immel (Post 872539)
Well, if you look at that part of the lyrics again, she first sings If it's fine tomorrow, I will go to that sea, that tomorrow would be July 2nd, and while she is at the sea that day she will Change the pain with the tears she shed yesterday - which brings us back to July 1st.
It's an interesting thought, but that is how I interpret it.

wait a second..........if it says tommorow,wouldent it still be july first saying that tommorow would be july 2nd and if its nice she'll go to the sea and meaning that yesturday would have been june 30th if she was saying tommorow on july 1st??because if she says tommorow it would still be july1st day saying it to tommorow on the 2nd??wow thats WAY!! to confusing!!!???!!!

alt.total-loser 15th September 2006 12:18 AM

Yeah, you just confused me. But... I think she means that while she's at the sea tomorrow (July 2nd) she'll shed the tears from yesterday, which would be July 1st. Or something.

BigAyuFan 15th September 2006 12:23 AM

well it works 2 ways people could see it.

1.saying tommorow and she really meaning that she is in tommorow talking back on this day.

2.or it means that shes still in the same day the present saying about the past and future.
so i see how 2 people can see something different.

alt.total-loser 15th September 2006 12:25 AM

"If it's fine tomorrow, I will go to that sea
Changing the pain with the tears shed yesterday
Into tenderness"

Yep. Although I still go with my idea, it's actually a little unclear. =/

BigAyuFan 15th September 2006 12:38 AM

I know i should have most likely edited my last post,but this is so important i thought it needed another post.
anyways i just found another part in the lyrics and not really ubderstanding what i means though
If it's fine tomorrow, I will go to see you
Yes I will be long with you
Tomorrow, the day after tomorrow


!!!OH WAIT is it possible that she is saying that the day she is writing this song its June 30 and tommorow is July first.no part of the song says it is REALLY July first and the reason it says July 1st is because of the tommorow in the song!!! do u guys understand what im trying to say??ive never thought of it that way before. but thats still doesnt say anything about what 0630 means still:(

alt.total-loser 15th September 2006 12:48 AM

That could work, too. The song being set on June 30th and tomorrow being July 1st. Because you're right, they never really state the day and the title would make sense whether it's today or tomorrow.

The only problem for me is that I kind of find it strange that it would connect at all. o__o It seems a little far fetched for some reason. And I don't get why the date would be in Memorial address if it has to do with July 1st, anyway.

Although the numbers are on the page with Greatful days and the song does mention a 'short summer', I think.

BigAyuFan 15th September 2006 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meerkitty (Post 873123)
Although the numbers are on the page with Greatful days and the song does mention a 'short summer', I think.

huh??do u mean the CD book or something?? is there a bigger pictre someone could possible upload or somthing??

alt.total-loser 15th September 2006 01:13 AM

^ Yeah, in the booklet. An image is here.

BigAyuFan 15th September 2006 08:43 PM

.......wait i just looked over the lyrics to most of the songs in that CD and it doesnt sound like shes talking about her father.i mean look at this

Because Of You
I remember that night when we first met even now

Memorial address
I remember I went to sleep late that night feeling uneasy
And had a very sad dream
The phone started to ring in the morning, breaking the silence
That I had certainly been loved by you
Only once, even if it had been a lie

ok in the Because Of You lyrics,the first night she met him??but if he was her father then.......first night meeting??huh??
and then in the lyrics of Memorial address when it says the phone call,does it mean she found out that he dies over the phone?? and in the lyrics when it "loved" but didnt he leave herand her mom,im not saying that he didnt love her but in the story she said about the night he left he didnt really seem to be caring about her, like in the interview she said
I still remember that night when I looked out my window and saw dad and mummy packing luggage into the car.Then I shouted out and asked what they were doing.Dad told me he was going to work.I told him good bye and went back to sleep.During that whole process he never turned around to look at me.The next day I woke up and i realized all his things were gone at that point, I feel.... how do you say?If he had said good bye to me,I would have said alot to him.By the way he left i felt that I was cheated.
soo it doesnt seem like Ayu's dad really cared,or maybe he did??im not sure

alt.total-loser 15th September 2006 09:54 PM

Well. I was never totally sure if Memorial address was about her father or not, no one's shown me any proof other than the lyrics.

=/ And as far as Because of You, these couple lines were the only thing that made me even sort of think it was about him:
"We have come to know each other little by little
But suddenly I find I know nothing about you"

Otherwise it seems to be about someone else. Personally, I don't think the number mystery will ever be solved for sure unless Ayu herself talks about it.

BigAyuFan 15th September 2006 10:46 PM

i really hope there a 2006 interveiw and not just the one from vivi.i wish i could interview Ayu,i would ask goodquestions.:P

Thulanks 16th September 2006 02:03 AM

Ah, c'mon guys! We all know that Ayu is a psychic and that she has foreseen the END OF THE WORLD!!! :)

BigAyuFan 16th September 2006 02:41 AM

^ would u :P that would be soo much easyer.
hhhhmmmmm i found another picture and its different from the other one.
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7711/ayumi066fc8.jpg
ok this one is not that much different but i think this picture is before she wrote 0630 on the mirror and her nails slippers and dress is red now not black so i guess red before writing black after writing.oh and there has to be something up with her useing red lipstick in black.ive never really noticed but why is there a bike in the background??

SunshineSlayer 22nd September 2006 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmskalmn (Post 871394)
I think it's a mystery. The only clue maybe is that 0630 is the day before 0701. :shrug

Ok, my little theory is this: If the song Memorial Address is about finding out her father died, then 0630 could refer to the date that she found out. Then the next date is July 1st. Here are some lyrics from the song July 1st:

If it's clear tomorrow, I will go to that sea
Changing the pain with the tears shed yesterday
Into tenderness

Above my head is just the wind blowing
With the sunlight between the clouds
And the sound of the waves rolling on the shore
Is washing everything away

I feel I have found
What I have been looking for so long

If it's clear tomorrow, I will go to that sea
The pain with the tears shed yesterday are changing
Into tenderness

If it's clear tomorrow, I will go to see you
Yes I will be long with you
Tomorrow, the day after tomorrow

In the lyrics she often refers to "yesterday" which would have been 0630. Also, some of the only memories that she claims to have of her father are sea related, it's possible she remembers being with him at the ocean in Fukuoka. The person that she is "going to see" at the sea is her father because that's where she has memories of him. So on June 30th she found out about his death and wrote Memorial Address about that and then on the next day, she dealt with it and accepted it and wrote the song July 1st about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAyuFan (Post 873873)
I still remember that night when I looked out my window and saw dad and mummy packing luggage into the car.Then I shouted out and asked what they were doing.Dad told me he was going to work.I told him good bye and went back to sleep.During that whole process he never turned around to look at me.The next day I woke up and i realized all his things were gone at that point, I feel.... how do you say?If he had said good bye to me,I would have said alot to him.By the way he left i felt that I was cheated.
soo it doesnt seem like Ayu's dad really cared,or maybe he did??im not sure

That's exactly what she is saying in the song. She wants to know whether he ever truly loved her or not; she just wanted to hear the words no matter what even if he was lying to her. I don't know what else the song Memorial Address could be about other than the death of her father; it just fits too perfectly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aga-chan (Post 872568)

We have to consider that the lyrics who accompaign the picture with "0630" are those for "Greatful days". I don't think ayu would've used this picture if her father had died that day with the lyrics of "Greatful days". It'd be more natural to use it with "Memorial address" then. So I think that "Greatful days" is very much tied to "July 1st" and maybe that's the reason for the "0630" writing. Maybe she wanted to emphasize it.

But that would be too easy and straightforward for Ayu. She always wants to make our brains explode, lol.

Diana 23rd September 2006 11:39 AM

....Ok.. my brain is now full O.o" Thanx.. I`m still confused but ok...^^

YumeHamasaki 23rd September 2006 01:31 PM

i'm not even gonna lie, i dont' think that her song, July 1st has anything to do with it. I think that the 0630 stands for the day her father died, and maybe if that's not it, it's a code for something. If you read it backwards it says 360, that's like a full circle when you're taling about angles and math and crap, she wrote it in a circular mirror, and maybe it's suppossed to represent the sun, which can mean time since the earth revolves around it. If you look at all the lyrics, and the order the're in, they seem to fit with emotions she's going through in time
ANGEL'S SONG
Escaping into nights, I told myself
That I was not at all alone
But after all, it revealed
Nothing but my loneliness day by day

skipping some lines...down to the last part...

I heartily hope that you will not be
A victim of this sad age
I sing this song today just as I pray
So that my dearest wish may reach you

so i guess she's just met this person, whose this Angel. And now to the next song.

Greatful days

I thank you for being by my side and giving me a gentle smile
Even when my heart is covered with clouds

It's not a matter of course, but might be of necessity
I never forget this feeling that I certainly have what I should protect

This short summer will come to an end
I'll be with you at the moment, too
As I know
Nothing is so nice as the ordinary days

and so she's had some time with this person now, and she's gonna remember the good times...next song...

Because Of You

My eyes met yours again, we talked a little
My heart throbbed and I hid my feelings behind a smile
As I was afraid I might not be able to go back to the times
When I had not known you

so she's had another meeting with this person...

My love grew when we couldn't meet
My heart ached because my voice didn't reach you
I find I can't go back to the times
When I didn't know you

Why sometimes I can't say honestly?
Why sometimes I can't be tender?
Why sometimes we hurt each other?
Why sometimes we check each other?
Why sometimes my heart aches so much
Why always my heart goes out to you?
I can't think of anyone but you
I can't think of anyone but you

and now they're gone again...she can't go back, so now she's sucked in...next song...

ourselves

the last part of it...

So
Even if no one in the world knows me
I wish you alone
To know me
Yes
Even if no one in the world knows us
We know each other
So well

I hold you tight
I get touched
I get discouraged
I hold you tight again
I pull myself together
I get prim
You know many faces of mine

and the repeating...she's saying now this person knows her well, and she's in deep, too deep, though she wants this person to know her, no one else.

HANABI~episode II~

Please tell me some day that you are happy
And smile

I gently lock the memories away
Leaving them to be beautiful

now she's thinking of this person, and she wishes that this person's happy, even though she's not there with them.next song..i know this is long...

No way to say

Though I have firm feelings
You see, I can't change them into words as usual
Everyone is living this way
With feelings they can't express

Though my heart is filled with feelings to convey
You see, I can't change them into words well
If I had not met you
I wouldn't even have such an embarrassing pain and ...

this kinda speaks for itself, if she had not met or known this person, she wouldnt' be at such a loss of words....she's filled with many emotions from this person...

i think that this next song was written because she feels that these feelings she had maybe failed to reach this person in time, but she's not going to give up, she may be small, but she'll do whatever she can...to protect love

Forgiveness

Even if this is only a small lump
Floating in the universe
I never give up tomorrow
Without fear of fighting

Maybe everyone, in order to protect love

Maybe everyone, in order to protect love
Maybe everyone wishes to believe in something

And now the bonus track....talking about the mistake that happened in forgiveness i think...(yeah, all of this is just theory if you hadnt' noticed, lol)
i'd paste the whoel song, btu that'd be too long...

Sayonara --- Even my last words don't reach you
I'm made to realize the coldness of the parting
I wish I could have heard from you
That you never regretted the days we had spent together
Only once, even if it had been a lie

Why did you do it this way
Leaving memories only to the very end?

so she never got to see this person when they left to become a star, which can also represent the mirror. She wrote the numbers in red listick, and before that picture, she was wearing red, and in the one with the numbers, she's wearing black. Black prolly means mourning, and the red lipstick means love. tHe other pics in the scans show her looking really distant, like she's thinking of them, the pictures of the crystal thingies seems like they could mean how precious this person was to her. The room itself seems like it was all just, on a hault, everythign in time stood still? That's he mood i got from it at least. tHe HANABI~episode II~ pic seemed like it had chains of gold in it, maybe that shows how she's trying to reach out to this person, and they have a clutch on her life, without trying to. The picture 07, where she's standing like a ballerina in that green dress, i think it means she's the only thing alive in the room, everything else is dead, the tree has not leaves, she's the only thing bright in the room. even though these things are happening, she's till going on.The room had many mirror, most of them square, but only one roudn mirror on the floor. None of the mirror have lipstick on them, not even the round one, only in that one pic did it have those numbers. The mirror is probably something that represents time, as well as the numbers, and the reflection is maybe so that it'll reach out to the world....

meh, you made it through my post, yay...i hope this isn't thinking too much into it...i'm prolly way off...lol

Afreek 23rd September 2006 06:03 PM

Well thanks for the post everyone and Yume Hamasaki,that would bring me to my last post of her lookging for someone.i see that u also think that her lyrics r trying to call out to someone.heres the link
http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48430
and if u do switch the number around it would make some sence that a mirror relfects so it would be turned the numbers backwords but it would turn out to be 0360 no just 360 or it would have just been 630 not 0630.i hope that made any sence to u guys at all.

immel 23rd September 2006 06:03 PM

I think it means she will die when she is 630 years old.

alternarist 24th September 2006 05:50 AM

lol.. i dont think Memorial address has anything to do with July 1st right? since they are on 2 different albums? of its the time of the photoshoot? -.-

immel 24th September 2006 11:37 AM

^good point :).

I think she's hinting that the next xbox will be called xbox 630.

Thulanks 24th September 2006 08:07 PM

Big mystery

SunshineSlayer 26th September 2006 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alternarist (Post 881718)
lol.. i dont think Memorial address has anything to do with July 1st right? since they are on 2 different albums? of its the time of the photoshoot? -.-

I don't really think it would matter that they are on different albums.

BigAyuFan 26th September 2006 02:44 AM

yeah but July first was released before memorial address was.but yeah im not sure if the Album release dates have anything to do with it.Another thing is that it might not have anything to do with a date.I mean if it did than there moght even be the year or atleast a /.something like 06/30/03 or something.

YumeHamasaki 29th September 2006 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afreek (Post 881175)
Well thanks for the post everyone and Yume Hamasaki,that would bring me to my last post of her lookging for someone.i see that u also think that her lyrics r trying to call out to someone.heres the link
http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48430
and if u do switch the number around it would make some sence that a mirror relfects so it would be turned the numbers backwords but it would turn out to be 0360 no just 360 or it would have just been 630 not 0630.i hope that made any sence to u guys at all.

yeah i know it says, 0360, just that i dont' think the ) was needed for any reason but to disguise it^^. yeah, i think she was tryign to call out to someone as well


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