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Surreal 20th October 2006 08:00 PM

When has Ayu's Voice...
 
When has Ayu's voice become so loooooooow??

I was watching her a-nation'06 performance of Boys & Girls..oh man, if not for her kawaii-ness, I don't think I could have managed to finish the whole thing. Her singing sounded like a she-man compared to her original studio version.

But when she performs JEWEL, it is obvious that she still has that anime-ish high voice in her, so why does she keep doing those she-man tones during lives...especially for her old songs? :irked It irks me to no end!

That said, I think she has the best stage charisma and presence in the whole of a-nation'06 :)

raspberrygashes 20th October 2006 08:05 PM

Her voice is just changing. I don't think she can help that she doesn't have that cutesy, really high-pitched voice anymore, but she still hits high notes [like you said, in JEWEL].

ohsixthirty 20th October 2006 08:07 PM

she's been gradually getting a little lower over time. i have to say, i 100% like it!

alternarist 20th October 2006 08:11 PM

well maybe its natural... she has been singing for 8 years!! previously, her voice was high pitched and powerful.. but now, her voice is low and SEXY!! but it can be quite manly at times.. :(

immel 20th October 2006 08:24 PM

It happens. In the beginning she barely had any vocal training at all, and she was just a teen. She had a pretty weak voice back then, it was squeaky and often irritating. She's gradually been evolving it over the years of singing, practiced and grown almost 10 years older, now she's a mature woman. Your voice is bound to change.

If you want some more exact date when it changed... around the release of Memorial address she started having a deeper voice, and she's been keeping it up through the following albums aswell as live performances.

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Originally Posted by touchedstar (Post 918957)
she's been gradually getting a little lower over time. i have to say, i 100% like it!

Agreed.

HELVENEUE 20th October 2006 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by touchedstar (Post 918957)
she's been gradually getting a little lower over time. i have to say, i 100% like it!

amen. I can't stand her older voice, and sometimes in some songs her high notes still hurt my ears XD

ohsixthirty 20th October 2006 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HELVENEUE (Post 918988)
amen. I can't stand her older voice, and sometimes in some songs her high notes still hurt my ears XD

yeah, she can hit some ear piercing notes.

i think i first noticed it lowering around the time of A BALLADS, on songs like RAINBOW and the new version of a song for xx.

alt.total-loser 20th October 2006 09:18 PM

Her low voice makes her sound professional. It's gorgeous.
But. I think it started to become a tiny bit lower in I am... and became more apparent in RAINBOW onwards.

immel 20th October 2006 09:23 PM

Yeah, well, the older she got the more we can notice it.

In a few years she'll sound like our very own j_nerd has predicted so neatly.

Queen Bee 20th October 2006 10:21 PM

I thought Ayu's lower voice during About you in Arena Tour 2005 made the song better.

immel 20th October 2006 10:22 PM

I think it's pretty low already in the original version, but it's true she went even lower for the live and it was fantastic :).

Misa-chan 21st October 2006 04:10 AM

I love the low voice, even when she does it for her earlier songs. It's like, compare a live of "Depend on you" from 1999 and one from more recent times, her voice really does sound so much better, and makes me enjoy the live more.

Well, for a-nation B&G she was jumping and running around and so she's probably exhausted. So can't blame her voice for being a little hoarse ;)

Echiko 21st October 2006 04:16 AM

Like everyone said, her voice has naturally gotten lower. I have a feeling in the recordings..they edit it so she sounds alittle higher. :/

~X2RADialbomber~ 21st October 2006 04:36 AM

Lol all I'm going to say is:

BECAUSE OF YOU @ CDL 05-06 WAS THE WORST. She sounded like a MAN!

Delirium-Zer0 21st October 2006 04:54 AM

I've never once thought ayu sounded like a man. I mean, Akiko Wada. That's all I gotta say. Come on people, grow EARS.

I 100% agree with immel. Alot of songs on A Song for XX are utterly unlistenable, especially when I have a headache already. No amount of Excedrin can protect me from "IIIchiban NIII IIIItaIIIIII" X_X

I love ayu, but seriously. eeew. She's flat in that song to begin with, the IIIII's just make it worse. x_x

I actually first noticed her voice deepening when the song "Duty" came out. The verses in that were a very pleasant surprise compared to some of the squeaky tones of the past. Several songs since then have impressed me, she's sounded more professional and more grown-up the longer her career has gone on.

I think this change in voice is very apparent when she TRIES to go for the cuter sounds. HONEY, Greatful days, and Beautiful Fighters are great examples. She sounds downright silly when singing like that ("HONEY" was done on purpose, but in any cute & sunny song, she still sounds awkward). She really needs to embrace the more adult sound, seeing as how that's where her voice is naturally going. Songs like Beautiful fighters need to just stop, really. She can do the pop songs like Startin' and STEP you that are harder, darker, rockier pop, since they're darker & lower sounding anyway. But the sunny stuff just isn't working for her anymore. And she needs her ballads to sound more like JEWEL, criminal, and other "dark" ballads like that... poppy ones like CAROLS just won't work for her anymore, not nearly as well as they used to anyway.

ImpactBreaker 21st October 2006 05:05 AM

There must be something wrong with my ears...none of the A Song For XX originals pierced my ears ever LOL Neither does the original "kanariya". It seems to pierce everybody else's ears though :laugh

alt.total-loser 21st October 2006 05:07 AM

I never thought kanariya was as high as everyone makes it out to be, either...

Delirium-Zer0 21st October 2006 05:08 AM

kanariya never bugged me either. The "iii"'s are high-pitched, but not as... sharp, i guess? as some of the A Song for XX tracks.

extepan 21st October 2006 05:16 AM

i think her voice matured, and she uses less falsetto compared to before. especially compatred to ASFXX times.

Zeke. 21st October 2006 06:05 AM

I love Ayu's Deep Voice! It's sexy! The LIVE versions of Boys & Girls are so much better than the original. I can't even listen to the studio version because it is so diff. and I don't really like it...

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 919534)
Songs like Beautiful fighters need to just stop, really. She can do the pop songs like Startin' and STEP you that are harder, darker, rockier pop, since they're darker & lower sounding anyway. But the sunny stuff just isn't working for her anymore. And she needs her ballads to sound more like JEWEL, criminal, and other "dark" ballads like that... poppy ones like CAROLS just won't work for her anymore, not nearly as well as they used to anyway.

I disagree completely. Beautiful Fighters is my favorite song released so far as of this year. I loved it and I also liked HONEY and Greatful Days isn't bad either... I love STEP you although but Startin' gets boring after a while. I think she needs more ballads like Moments!!

Misa-chan 21st October 2006 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 919534)
I think this change in voice is very apparent when she TRIES to go for the cuter sounds. HONEY, Greatful days, and Beautiful Fighters are great examples. She sounds downright silly when singing like that ("HONEY" was done on purpose, but in any cute & sunny song, she still sounds awkward). She really needs to embrace the more adult sound, seeing as how that's where her voice is naturally going. Songs like Beautiful fighters need to just stop, really. She can do the pop songs like Startin' and STEP you that are harder, darker, rockier pop, since they're darker & lower sounding anyway. But the sunny stuff just isn't working for her anymore. And she needs her ballads to sound more like JEWEL, criminal, and other "dark" ballads like that... poppy ones like CAROLS just won't work for her anymore, not nearly as well as they used to anyway.

Aww, but I like HONEY the way it is. And Greatful days was just.. great. :P Yes, she can try to accept her maturity and sing like the adult she is, but it will certainly make alot of songs less enjoyable. These songs are created to be cute and fluffy and kiddish, and ayu should still have the chance to embrace that side of herself. She's still young, let her do her cute stuff ;)

KyahRyorin 21st October 2006 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 919534)
I 100% agree with immel. Alot of songs on A Song for XX are utterly unlistenable, especially when I have a headache already. No amount of Excedrin can protect me from "IIIchiban NIII IIIItaIIIIII" X_X

I love ayu, but seriously. eeew. She's flat in that song to begin with, the IIIII's just make it worse. x_x

I still hate that song, just because of how high pitched she sings. @_@

Oh, and Deli, you get the ROFLMAO Ayu image trophy for making me nearly die with laughter from your explanation.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...r711/349-1.jpg

TA-DA!

Delirium-Zer0 21st October 2006 07:21 AM

Whee! I feel special ^_^

And I don't remember who said it, but I agree - more "Moments" songs would be good. ^_^ That was another song that made me go "whoa, she sounds... GREAT!" when it came out.

Still hate the cutesy sunny stuff. Seriously, "Startin'" and "JEWEL" are the only songs off the new mini-album that I can so far say I actually like. =\

truehappiness 21st October 2006 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Winterkill (Post 919655)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHAAAA

LOLOLOFRLKGTJLKTHLKJ45HT5 LOL LMFAO ROFL

HAR.

I guess it's so nothing happens when she sings it..
It'd be better to sing a song in a lower key than one that might possibly be too high..

raspberrygashes 21st October 2006 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 919693)
We did have goth Ayu for a few times..

HANABI episode II Ayu is so butch. ._.

PFFF! When she has the short blonde hair and is playing the guitar is more like androgynous, otherwise she looks pretty feminine in that silver dress. Not to mention the long blonde hair.

orenji_jaro 21st October 2006 07:49 AM

i think this she-man voice happens when she
☆see's soemthign funny
☆forget some lyrics and began humming
☆slip on the floor and begin singing
☆soemthign malfuntion
☆she jumps for joy too much
☆whiel she was walkign and thinkgin what will she sing next.

^_^

truehappiness 21st October 2006 07:49 AM

Yes, the short blonde-hair one. The one that is similar to the uraayu-punk Ayu.

She's gone slightly goth in ourselves, but nothing other than that...

And her voice is just fine. "She-male" is definitely an extreme way to describe it. Would you want her to try singing like End of the World now.. just as high pitched and nasally as before? :|

I wouldn't, especially since her voice probably can't handle that nowadays or breaks/cracks when she does try.. I mean, imagine Boys&Girls.. sung with it's.. squeakiness retained..

fεяnαndδ 21st October 2006 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by orenji_jaro (Post 919722)
i think this she-man voice happens when she
☆spots something funny
☆forgets the lyrics and begins humming
☆slips on the floor and begins singing
☆something malfuntions
☆she jumps for joy too much
☆while she was walking and thinking what she will sing next.

^_^

Fixed.

truehappiness 21st October 2006 07:54 AM

"She-male" is definitely far from what it is.. it's just deeper than the 1998-2002 vocals. It's definitely closer to her 'real voice' than the squeaky.

Because of You at CDL05-06 sounds so good on DVD :p
[it sounds just like the AT03-04 one.. so.. o_o]

simonlau 21st October 2006 08:59 AM

i love her present voice
cant stand old voice, esp in the 1st album

fεяnαndδ 21st October 2006 10:59 AM

A woman can't have the same voice forever.

Deal with it.

:\

ImpactBreaker 21st October 2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Winterkill (Post 919877)
A woman can't have the same voice forever.


"in order to survive"

For a moment I almost thought you were singing "Real me" :laugh

Terri 21st October 2006 04:05 PM

The cute voice left with the cute image

huyuhuyu 21st October 2006 04:24 PM

she is more serious now, i think it's a good thing

Ayappe 21st October 2006 05:23 PM

I think that now her voice is better than the past! In the past it seems that she sang with the nose.. X°°°D I quote Huyuhuyu.. now she's more serious..!^^

immel 21st October 2006 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterkill (Post 919877)
A woman can't have the same voice forever.

Deal with it.

:\

My world just went to pieces. :cry

ayu1m 21st October 2006 06:30 PM

Her voice has changed yep, but luckily it has gone to the right direction IMO : )

immel could you check "your" pm, thx :>

ayu_ready? 21st October 2006 07:26 PM

Ayu has grown up, and, bsides, comparing t how much sings, spending time in lives, tours, practising, recording...
og course her voice is low now! :)

Kikaru 21st October 2006 07:50 PM

I'm with those saying that I like her lower voice. Some of the song if ASFXX album I really like, but songs like Kanariya and For my Dear are just not listenable.

I don't really mind Carols and Dearest, because they have have lower ranges too, but For My Dear just hurts my ears.

Of course, it takes certain profession to get the III-ings right.

Ayappe 21st October 2006 08:17 PM

I quote Kikaru... I can't lisen "Poker Face" or "Depend On You".. it hurts my ears!°__° I like her voice lower.. Like in Duty, I Am, etc...

elepop 21st October 2006 08:21 PM

What the hell is an anime-ish voice? :rolleyes

huyuhuyu 21st October 2006 08:41 PM

a cute voice i think, like ai otsuka's

Thulanks 21st October 2006 09:06 PM

Sumtimes like when singin' live and u feel that your throat is dry and that u won't reach the note u can sing low (the same note but like doin' a chorus, in 2nd voice) so as to sing in tune without tryin' to do sumthin where u could fail and make it sound like ******!

EDGE23 22nd October 2006 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Surreal (Post 918942)
When has Ayu's voice become so loooooooow??

I was watching her a-nation'06 performance of Boys & Girls..oh man, if not for her kawaii-ness, I don't think I could have managed to finish the whole thing. Her singing sounded like a she-man compared to her original studio version.

But when she performs JEWEL, it is obvious that she still has that anime-ish high voice in her, so why does she keep doing those she-man tones during lives...especially for her old songs? :irked It irks me to no end!

That said, I think she has the best stage charisma and presence in the whole of a-nation'06 :)


i dont think that ayu's voice has change.....

truehappiness 22nd October 2006 04:45 AM

I think that she just uses it differently.

:p

LacusClyne 22nd October 2006 08:51 AM

i found my worst headache when she's hitting those high notes in her younger days.
therefore, i had to say i prefer ayu's vocal now. more stronger, firmer, less sqeeky

immel 22nd October 2006 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EDGE23 (Post 920748)
i dont think that ayu's voice has change.....

Pick any song from A Song for XX and listen to it, then pick any song from MY STORY or (miss)understood and listen to it, and tell me about the similarities :D.

huyuhuyu 22nd October 2006 11:33 AM

lol
well, ayu has done also training in new york.

immel 22nd October 2006 11:37 AM

Ayu's vocal training in New York was before/around the release of A Song for XX, so I don't think it should really make a big difference.

fεяnαndδ 22nd October 2006 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LacusClyne
i found my worst headache when she's hitting those high notes in her younger days.

I have no idea why everybody has whine about this. DO YOU BLAST YOUR SPEAKERS UP TO THE MAX? You don't get headaches from just listening to music from her younger days.

Annoying. :irked

immel 22nd October 2006 12:06 PM

It's almost as bad whining at people who whine, or worse.

If someone hasthat kind of ears, they shouldn't be whined at. Although, neither should anyone be whined at for having that kind of voice.


...and here am I, whining at you :D.

Hachimitsu 22nd October 2006 12:13 PM

About Ayumi's first album - I think she manages to hit the high notes really well in the studio version. But if you watch live performances from that period, especially the 'Jpop night Channel A' concert, her voice is really off. There's nothing pleasing about her way of singing.

I think right now, even if her voice is pretty low and it's difficult for her to sing certain songs, she sounds a whole lot better and stronger than she used to.

truehappiness 22nd October 2006 12:15 PM

I guess it's the intense vocal 'training' you automatically get from performing SO MUCH as well as on-the-side vocal 'lessons' when recording a song :)

AyUmIXx 22nd October 2006 12:18 PM

i love her present voice..
much more Diva..u know?

immel 22nd October 2006 12:19 PM

How do you defina a diva voice?

sineper 23rd October 2006 12:23 AM

Since Bold & Delicious.

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I have no idea why everybody has whine about this. DO YOU BLAST YOUR SPEAKERS UP TO THE MAX? You don't get headaches from just listening to music from her younger days.
No, seriously. I can have my volume at 2 (on headphones, i don't use speakers) and I can hear the high notes from across the room.

nodoka 23rd October 2006 12:28 AM

I guess her voice has just changed over time. But yeah, I've noticed that too.

*Petit* 23rd October 2006 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by immel (Post 921071)
Ayu's vocal training in New York was before/around the release of A Song for XX, so I don't think it should really make a big difference.


No, she still has lessons and has had lessons ever since she started. She mention them from time to time.

I don't think her voice has changed that much, but her technique of singing has changd alot. Her voice has gotten a bit deeper, but she sings very differently from when she was younger too. She did sing very nasally and squeaky and she diden't know how to use her muscles right. That's why she had quite BIG problem with hitting the notes sometimes. Some of her songs also were higher, not just her way of singing. I think if she continued singing the way she did she would've wrecked her voice by now.

Ayu's voice has definetly changed more than most other artists I've heard, it's almost scary sometimes. I prefer her earlier voice (though not live), but not for songs like inspire and startin'. I think she sometimes manage to pull off the proper "cute" style nowadays too.

truehappiness 23rd October 2006 01:58 AM

I think that her voice never changed at all..
Simply, like *Petit* said, because she uses it differently.

She can still go all nasally on HONEY and stuff too~ :)

immel 23rd October 2006 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by *Petit* (Post 921733)
No, she still has lessons and has had lessons ever since she started. She mention them from time to time.

She does not still have vocal lessons in NY, which is what was mentioned.

Quote:

I don't think her voice has changed that much, but her technique of singing has changd alot. Her voice has gotten a bit deeper, but she sings very differently from when she was younger too. She did sing very nasally and squeaky and she diden't know how to use her muscles right. That's why she had quite BIG problem with hitting the notes sometimes. Some of her songs also were higher, not just her way of singing. I think if she continued singing the way she did she would've wrecked her voice by now.

Ayu's voice has definetly changed more than most other artists I've heard, it's almost scary sometimes. I prefer her earlier voice (though not live), but not for songs like inspire and startin'. I think she sometimes manage to pull off the proper "cute" style nowadays too.
Her voice has always been her very own unique voice, but the fact that she does sound different now when singing, compared to back then, can be said with the words "her voice has changed", I think.

ayumeg 23rd October 2006 03:44 AM

I love her lower voice! Very sexy!

fεяnαndδ 23rd October 2006 05:23 AM

I've skimmed through her songs, and for some reason, I keep noticing that there seems to be a vocal change between LOVE ~Destiny~ and TO BE. These singles were released within a month of each other, though, so I don't see how that could be. Could somebody else please verify that I'm talking absolute nonsense?

pbs1605 23rd October 2006 08:42 AM

Over the years her voice has changed.Thats all.

fεяnαndδ 23rd October 2006 12:12 PM

Yeah, I guess. She just has subtle changes to her voice every so often, and it just flows... you don't notice it until you listen to songs about two years apart, and then they sound different.


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