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Delirium-Zer0 23rd October 2006 04:45 AM

"I am..." album lyrics conspiracy! :P
 
Okay, first off, lemme see if ANYONE here remembers this.

About a month and a half before "I am..." was released, when we knew what the songs were gonna be called and we had already heard "Naturally", "still alone", and "Daybreak" in CMs, the now-dead lyrics site Wataru's Japanese Translations (a HUGE source for ayu's lyrics at the time) published in advance the japanese & romaji lyrics (AND translations) for all the new ayu songs on the I am... album. I saved them on my hard drive (the romaji & translations anyway), but when the album came out THOSE weren't the lyrics.

So wataru deleted all those lyrics completely, but this wasn't till about 3 weeks before the album was released. Once the album came out & he got the lyric booklet, he posted the real ones. But the incorrect lyrics he'd had up were REALLY good and fit with the complete songs' melodies. Problem is, I've lost them all in my change from computer to computer over the last 5 years.

The advance lyrics in "Naturally" matched those in the CM, though that part was changed slightly in the completed album version... the rest of wataru's lyrics were almost totally different from the finished product. I don't remember much else... just that the last two lines of "still alone" translated to "this glass slipper doesn't fit anymore" - seems it was originally a sequel of sorts to monochrome.

So here's my question/request/whatever. Does anyone HAVE these lyrics (which I doubt, but it's worth asking), and does anyone know what they might have been? I doubt they were 100% fake, since they fit with the full melody of the complete song, and since ayu's thoughts for the album changed constantly, perhaps alot of lyrics got changed (listen to UNITE! and its remixes - between the remix commissions and the final recording of the song, 2 lines got switched... and the lyrics in the full version of "Naturally" are a bit different from the CM... so this isn't an impossible scenario). I dunno.

Anyone remember this or know anything about it?

fεяnαndδ 23rd October 2006 07:30 AM

Wow. I'd also like to know about this... sounds very interesting! Wish I was an Ayu fan back then! :p I've only switched computer once since the time I am... was released, so I'd probably still have them if I was an Ayu fan back then.

Delirium-Zer0 25th October 2006 06:49 AM

Wow, maybe I was imagining the whole thing x_x Cuz no one seems to know about it ^^;; I dunno, am I just a CRAZY OLD ayu fan? o_O Does ANYONE else remember anything about this?? SOMEONE here had to have been around when wataru was?

truehappiness 25th October 2006 06:59 AM

Well, there's always the chance that masa might know..

Maybe someone could try asking him?

~X2RADialbomber~ 25th October 2006 07:29 AM

I'm sure one of the older members will remember... Maybe try PMing them or something.

This conspiracy seems very weird...

Aga-chan 25th October 2006 07:44 AM

Wow... I also never heard about that. =O But it sounds interesting. ^^ Hope you find what you search.

And I think truehappiness' idea was good: Ask masa-san. Maybe he knows something about it. ^^

truehappiness 25th October 2006 07:51 AM

I would so remember if I was as big a fan as I am now at that time.. LOL

Aga-chan 25th October 2006 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 924704)
I would so remember if I was as big a fan as I am now at that time.. LOL

So very true. :yes lol
I just got to know her around that time (before the "I am..." release) and didn't follow ayus path until "Free & Easy".

ImpactBreaker 25th October 2006 08:57 AM

I remember wataru and I am... was the first album I awaited to be released (became a fan when Endless sorrow was just being released). But I don't remember these alternative lyrics at all.
I remember though, that you had an website that would post several ayu news. That site was also run by someone who had an "eye" as their avatar (but unfortunately I forgot his SN). Maybe he could have those lyrics still?

sexysaucestar 25th October 2006 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 924647)
Wow, maybe I was imagining the whole thing x_x Cuz no one seems to know about it ^^;; I dunno, am I just a CRAZY OLD ayu fan? o_O Does ANYONE else remember anything about this?? SOMEONE here had to have been around when wataru was?

I'll ask my friend--he's been an Ayu fan since before I am..., so maybe he knows what you're talking about. :yes

voltron 25th October 2006 03:48 PM

You could also try e-mailing wataru.
amake {at} mac {dot} com

I was a fan around that time, but I didn't look at things online as much as I used to. I used to love his translations though....

Qt Mashi 25th October 2006 04:55 PM

that is interesting, i'd like to read the lyrics

walking proud 25th October 2006 06:22 PM

Sounds interesting, I wish I would've been around..

Mirai Noah 25th October 2006 07:10 PM

I think I know what you are talking about! I remember wataru's translation page, and I think that I might have the other lyrics printed out in my house (I'm at college right now). I'll check for you when I get home.

immel 25th October 2006 07:21 PM

If you manage to find them I hope you share them, and your thoughts considering the parts of them that are different between the versions.

I expect no less of you :D.

Delirium-Zer0 26th October 2006 06:53 AM

Oh Mirai I REALLY hope you have them. Mostly I just need confirmation that these weren't something I dreamed up o_o My brain DOES play tricks on me sometimes.

immel, if I can find them I promise a full report (perhaps with masa's help ^^)

ImpactBreaker 26th October 2006 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 924722)
That site was also run by someone who had an "eye" as their avatar (but unfortunately I forgot his SN). Maybe he could have those lyrics still?

"Censations" was the SN.

*Petit* 27th October 2006 10:45 PM

I was just thinking, if the lyrics in the CMs really ARE different (if not this would jut be misheard lyrics), coulden't someone just listen to them again? The CMs probalby are up on youtube.

Delirium-Zer0 29th October 2006 01:48 AM

But that's only the CM part. Just the chorus. The whole SONG was different. And the only lyric difference in the CM is that she says "kirei na yume bakaro mite wa" instead of "bakari mite wa".

4nGeLuS 29th October 2006 01:22 AM

So send wataru an e-mail... And perhaps Masa too.

AFTERSCHOOL 29th October 2006 12:21 PM

Oh, geez, I hope you figure this one out soon. I'd like to know much more about this. I want to read the lyrics. XD

*Petit* 29th October 2006 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 928343)
But that's only the CM part. Just the chorus. The whole SONG was different. And the only lyric difference in the CM is that she says "kirei na yume bakaro mite wa" instead of "bakari mite wa".

Ehm, so basically these were "rumour" lyrics?

Unless the actual lyrics heard were different I don't see what's so intriguing about these. Sorry.

immel 29th October 2006 12:53 PM

It pretty much says so in the first post, as Deli states she isn't sure those are real or not. But there's something to them that makes them interesting, they fit the songs completely already before they were released in full, by what I understand.

So, the lyrics has to come from somewhere and are probably not completely made up. If they are, then there's nothing more intriguing, but if this would actually be lyrics written by Ayu, and then changed for the later versions, it's suddenly a bit more interesting.

AFTERSCHOOL 29th October 2006 01:16 PM

I think she did ditch the whole theme of the album and make a new one at the last minute because of 9/11 or something. Perhaps that had something to do with the lyrics, too?

paperbag 29th October 2006 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by roflcoptar (Post 928777)
I think she did ditch the whole theme of the album and make a new one at the last minute because of 9/11 or something. Perhaps that had something to do with the lyrics, too?

You might be right. She did ditch the previous theme she had for the album booklet/cover at the last minute for a "peace" theme. I think A song is born was also added in the last minute. :P

immel 29th October 2006 02:38 PM

If she had time to add a fully new song I'm pretty sure she very well can have changed the lyrics aswell, a good theory there Winter.

*Petit* 29th October 2006 02:57 PM

Yes, IF this is the case, it would be interesting.

immel 29th October 2006 03:17 PM

The 9/11 thing is true, if that is what you mean.

About the lyrics, yeah, if they are true it would be interesting.

*Petit* 29th October 2006 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by immel (Post 928863)
The 9/11 thing is true, if that is what you mean.

About the lyrics, yeah, if they are true it would be interesting.

No and I don't really believe in Holocaust either :tipsy

I knew that she changed a lot due to 9/11, I never heard of the lyrics though. But I thought it would be a whole lot interesting if the thread starter could reassure that these werent just made up lyrics. ;) The CMs seems to be have taken off youtube, and even if the lyrics in them were different this is interesting. =)

immel 29th October 2006 04:34 PM

I think one of the points of the thread is to find out if those actually are fakes or not, so I don't think Deli can confirm anything :).

extepan 29th October 2006 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 921882)
(listen to UNITE! and its remixes - between the remix commissions and the final recording of the song, 2 lines got switched.

can you please tell me more? which two lines got switched? in which remix?

*Petit* 29th October 2006 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by extepan (Post 928930)
can you please tell me more? which two lines got switched? in which remix?

they add and switch lines in remixes all the time. Listen to f.ex the aggressive remix of Endless Sorrow in which the added a line in the second chorus (I think).

immel 29th October 2006 04:54 PM

When it comes to remixes, and switching places of lines, I don't think Ayu has any say, it's all up to the remixer. Although, if there are actual new lyrics with different words it must be that either Ayu is involved in the making of the remix or she sent more voice samples than only the original lyrics.

alt.total-loser 29th October 2006 07:40 PM

Cool. Lost lyrics. I wouldn't mind knowing what her previous theme was, either.

Delirium-Zer0 29th October 2006 07:41 PM

No, the lines "boku ni wa mamotte yuku beki kimi ga iru" and "hito wa ne hakanaku dakedo ne tsuyoi mono" were switched. You can tell by the melody she sings them along to. They're the two lines on either side of the instrumental break. It's an entirely different vocal take.

JimmyKoria 30th October 2006 02:55 AM

Artist change lyrics all the time. And I'm pretty sure she did change the lyrics to some of those songs because she said so herself, right? She said they did a bunch of different beats and some with different lyrics. I am... was probably the one album Hamasaki was OCD with and tried to make perfect. It's her most commercial album ever.

truehappiness 30th October 2006 02:58 AM

Well, she did compose like almost all of it :)

immel 30th October 2006 09:40 AM

I wonder if people actually paid much attention to her other CMs. Maybe there's contradictions in a lot more of them, compared to the originals?

Mirai Noah 30th October 2006 05:43 PM

I went home this weekend, but I couldn't find them. Sorry guys. :( I'm going home again in two weeks, and I can try looking for them again.

Delirium-Zer0 31st October 2006 01:28 AM

immel: not lyrically, but i posted a thread a long time ago about the differences. You can probably search for it.

Noah: Thanks so much for looking! Hopefully you can find them when you can look again.

Nicolas 18th February 2008 02:40 PM

This is intreaguing..
As for Ayu re-writing an entire album's lyrics, that would have taken up to half a year to write, possibly more, to reflect her feelings about 9/11 places false importance on the event in relation to what Ayu was going to write about. I think the only song written with that in mind was A Song Is Born and of course, if the rumour is true about the re-shoot, the dove in the photoshoot - possibly. But Ayu had already been concerned with world peace and harmony long before that September. Just look at the opening message of the 2001 tour or the PV for Endless Sorrow.
None of the new songs on the album are anything to do with 9/11 and there is no reason why they should be about it. If she changed the lyrics it will probably be for reasons to do with her own perfectionism and also I am...was famously difficult for Ayu as she was obliged to produce throughout and it seems to be a little disordered due to that. Her chopping and changing of lyrics, considering her situation making I am..., is not surprising. She's never been under so much pressure to make an album before or since and none of those inconsistancies occured before or since. But I have to say, despite the pressure she was under, I am...contains some of most amaizing work. Just take Naturally, for example!

I would also like to argue against the idea its her most "commercial" album. Though oppinions differ, of course. If "commercial" in this case is supposed to mean "popular sounding" then I'd have to say its probably one of her least. It was the most guitar/band orientated album of the time (she's since done far harder albums) and generally speaking synth/pop albums like the preceeding 3 are deemed more "commercial" sounding. If you mean financially - yes - I am...was a huge hit because it was the album that came out after her most popular period - 2001.
For what its worth - "LOVEppears" and "RAINBOW" I would say are her most commercial-sounding albums.


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