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[2007] Ayu's vibrato thing
Ok, Ayu's vocal style and skills have progressed and evolved over the years.
As someone who has studied voice and is a singer herself, I think I've come to understand the aspects of Ayu's voice. But one thing puzzles me... sometimes Ayu will be singing her little heart out and at the end of a long note her jaw moves back and forth and she creates this random extreme vibrato. Do you guys know what I mean? if you do, do you like it or no? what are your thoughts on how and why she does it? |
I know exactly what you mean.
She probably does all the jaw movements to get a vibrato because she can't do it just using her vocal chords... At first I thought it sounded/looked pretty stupid, but now it's like an Ayu trademark :laugh I'm cool with it btw, that avatar is SWEET |
True I've noticed it too - I like it - it's kinda like her trademark which makes her voice more unique - it sounds good aswell exspecially when Ayu's singing ballads
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It sounds fine when it she uses it in small doses, but recently (and also during the RAINBOW-Memorial Address era) I believe she has been exaggerating the vibrato...
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She should do the natural, quicker vibrato like she did for "I am..." and "(miss)understood". Doing the really extreme, slower vibrato like she does now and did in the RAINBOW-A BALLADS-Memorial address era for one thing makes her sound like she's on the wrong note, and for another thing doing it with your jaw is really really not good and should only EVER be done by opera singers when they need to project the vibrato more... it's bad for your voice if you do it like that too much. It's not that hard to do it with your voice, and ayu's probably done it plenty of times, but she seems to prefer doing the slow vibrato for some reason. I think it sounds awful, and it's REALLY irritating to watch x_x.
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It never bothered me, except for the re-recorded versions of A BEST 'cause her vibrato sounds strangely metallic.
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Yeah, when Ayu milks it out it sounds like she's trying too hard...
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her vibrato is horrible. It makes her sound all over the place and unable to hold her note.
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I like it, but I think she recently overuses it esp while singing Jewel live, she does it too often and in parts of the song that are sort of "clean" in album version and pv. I guess she was also overusing it during Arena Tour 2006 A in the second part (Heaven! - IMO the song loses much because of it), I had the feeling that she did that just of "laziness" (it definately makes singing easier) although she may just find it better than a pure, clean sound. I like it occasionally, but recently it irritates me :P
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OT - neo daydream, amy lee is hotness in your sig
and on topic ... i dont understand whatchoo mean |
I never understood what happened to her vibrato. If you listen to LOVEppears you'll hear that it sounds absolutely fine and quite pretty. It's not some weird waa-waa-waaa thing like she does it now.
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I've noticed that thing during the recent JEWEL lives and I must say I really admire her skill at doing the vibrato. It sounds almost unhumanly to achieve that kind of a sound when you have only one or two takes, I would've thought it takes about 10 tries in a studio to get it to sound right, but no, she pulls it off great! :D
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Now that u mentioned it, yeah she does move her jaw. I think it helps to enhance the voice she projects, perhaps some new technique? The "A-Techinique"?
Next time I'll be sure to watch out for that special move =) |
well vibrato is not a thing that i love so much... I hate it more exactly. but it's natural for some singers to do that. When Ayu use it; that's for 2 resons : be sure to get the note (and try to get it at the end), and keep the note getting more powerfull.
but in many performances you can see that qhe can keep the note without it : it depends the high of the note (she only does that with deep note) and the duration of it. Well finally I accept it as her new technique : she have now a strategy to avoid the wrong notes so... i think she have to keep it. But in CDL 04-05 like on MY STORY tour she didn't use it that much |
I think she moves with the jaw on purpose.. to give the vibrato some juice (eye candy possibly?) =)
I'm okay with that, it kind of shows off the Ayu power. |
Eye candy? more like eye vinegar x_x I think she does it because it's easier than doing it properly, in your throat. Bad for the jaw muscles though.
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Yea she does it and I've noticed.. I don't really spend that much time staring at her jaw.. so it doesn't really bother my really.. and i dont think it sounds awful either
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Her vibrato sucks. Really.
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can anyone provide a link to a youtube performace showing her vibrato?
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she does it sometimes good and sometimes bad :yes
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it's alright but not when it's used too much in a song,
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everybody is doing the vibrato thing at the moment. I suppose it's meant to add some 'uniqueness' to the performance & also it's said to be lot easier & less-taxing on the voice to use vibrato than not to.
I personally still think Ayu's vibrato is tolerable eventho I'm hoping she'd tone it down a bit. I don't wanna mention names but I've heard a lot worse in a recent tour live of another big j-pop star which really dissapointed me :( |
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There is definately a time to use a little vibrato (a little, mind you) and a time to have a straight tone. My issue is that Ayu uses a lot of vibrato all the time and it ruins the mood of many of her ballads and makes it seem like she doesn't know what the correct note is.
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Vibrato? o.O
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okay probably not, her vibrato didn't really used to bother me, it really doesn't....I noticed she started doing it again...but I was just like what the hell, I don't care. kodayumi:vibrato (I can't believe I've started using this site regularly...i wonder whose fault that is...:laugh) |
I love it.. and I don't think she's necessarily doing it directly with her jaw.. Some people like to move their jaw even though they're doing it with their vocal cords in order to keep the flow of the vibrado going out in the right pattern.. And some people's jaws just move when they do it without even thinking about it.. I don't care what she's doing, whatever it is - I like it.
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Reflex action, i learnt this in biology. :D
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It's fine with me. That shows her uniqueness and I like her doing this vibrato.. She used quite alot of the vibrato in evolution and surreal live performances, didn't she? I really enjoyed these performances. But I heard from people that it's quite harmful to your vocal and throat...
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She could do a natural vibrato back in 2003, now she just relies on her jaw. I guess it's easier for her voice, maybe..?
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It sounds like someone is jabbing her throat to death
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she's not the only one. for example, K
here's a performance of only human [yes, that 1 litre of tears song] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGnkyKbeqwg he uses his jaw when using vibrato as well and his vibrato is very nice |
I like it sometimes but i wish she would go back to her old vibrato during the Loveppears - I am... period
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i like her vibrato..
it's just like the old japanese traditional singers always do on singing.. ayu's voice is so full of energy.. *i really love how she sang teens & HEAVEN at AT 06..* so cool! |
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yeah she's got the vibrato like A. powers got mojo... but it's a bad exemple : here she doesn't move her jaw ! |
Sometimes se really overdo it
but I think that she really does a great job guys vibrato has some 'function' 01. showing how u can really manage your breath/sing/technique 02. showing that u are singing LIVE (sometimes) 03. Showing that you can do improvisation 04. showing that sometimes you are out of breath so you shorten it for mw...who always sing ayu's song LOL and karaoke so often I understand which part she used to do those vibratos and why |
I like her vibrato, it's personal :shrug
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OK.
FIRST: I'd love to have someone who actually does study singing here. I'm really into the topic, so I'd be great if someone could provide some creditable information. SECOND: I always thought the vibrato is like the furthest you can go with your voice skills. Some people easily produce a vibrato by just singing their throats out - they don't move their jaws or anything, their voice just naturally goes into this "ayayayaya" pattern, which I suppose means that such person is almost a born singer. THIRD: It seems you can power up the vibrato or maybe even stimulate it by doing the jaw moves, becouse that way you kinda shape the airstream coming out of your mouth (just like you do when you're speaking) to make it have this vibratoish thing. Why do people do that? Becouse it sounds nicer to go out of a sound by spreading it all over the place by making it go "yayaya", rather than sounding like a vinyl that's about to die under the needle, going high "aaaaaaaa"s and then "aggggrrhhhh" at the end of a line. I've never heard it's harmful to voice/throat whatsoever, since it sounds more like you're softening the sound when you're ending a high/deep note and thus making it easier on your throat, instead of ripping your vocal cords apart by almost screaming... FOURTH: Hamasaki has a really deep vibrato now, and comparing her singing in the early years, where she would just finish every line with a long squeek, she went really, really far... she either has/had a genious vocal teacher, or she was in fact born a singer, if she can sing so well... |
I'd like to add that if you can't do vibrato without your mouth shut, you won't be able do it with your moving jaw either.
For me it's even more difficult to do it with jaw moving because I have to move with it in rhythm, kind of. As far as I know, headvoice is the skill every singer wants to have. |
i only like those little little vibratos she use... for example, forgiveness, the first note of the chorus goes quite long rite? but her vibrato only starts at the very very end of it... not those dramatic voyage vibratos...
but anyway, i'm quite used to it now... so if she suddenly switch back to non-vibrato vocals (kiss'o'kill), i'll find it strange... |
I need to stop quickly glancing at things, because I totally misread "vibrato" at first. And thought it said something else. But I'll leave that to your imaginations.
My mind needs to get out of the gutter, NOW. Anyway. I hate her vibrato. Bleh. In small doses it's tolerable, but she needs to control it better. |
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Huh? U mean using vibrato is kinda like being lazy? I thot it was a song-enhancement technique?
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Vibrato can sound good but in Ayu's case, her vibrato can be considered fake because she makes the sound by moving her lips. And I do think it's overdoing it half the time as well.
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ayu's vibrato is improved a lot..
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I always thought it was easier to sing with vibrato than without, personally - it just happens naturally, or so I used to think (maybe for some?). I don't often listen for or notice Ayu's, but damn, it was pretty obvious on Voyage.
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I hate her vibrato now. I much prefer her go back to her I am... vocal style. Compare her JEWEL performances to her M ones and you can easily see how much her voice has deterioated.
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Meh, I never realized it until now, but I sorta hate it also...but it's a part of growing up...she's almost 30.
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There are many types of vibrato, I dunno if someone here knows Maite Kelly, she was also doing it very often (she was even trying not to do it and now her singing is much better but when live you can still spot it) but her vibrato was like a machine gun, very fast almost spinning, I really hated that.
What Ayu does is definately on higher level and doesn't strike that much but I still think she recently overuses it. |
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The thing is, your lips shouldn't move anyway. The vibrato is generated from the opening or closing of your vocal cords, or the muscles from your abdomen (i'm not expert, so this is comming from a website). But it shouldn't cause your jaw to move up and down...
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it works for powerful voices, and ayu's voice has been pretty powerful recently... though sometimes i feel its better not to do it than overdo it =x
IMO its fine as an ending to an emotional song, like she does on Heaven etc. gives a punch to it and sounds really sad if she does it right (as in :cry sad, not :vsad sad) |
Vibrato is pretty common amoung enka singers and japanese singers as well. I think is some of ayu´s particularities coz she does it in a very emotional way, but sometimes it doesn´t suit to the song and the moment, so she destroyes the song, specially ballads. For instance, in the AT06 the uses vibrato quite often. In some songs it´s ok, but I think she completely spoiled the end of HEAVEN after a brilliand vocal interpretation.
I´ve noticed that in her last performances she is using it too much and I personally prefer her sweet and light voice more than the loud and dark one she´s using in her performances >_< |
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That was the longest fart anyone has ever produced. u zo amazin bb. Through your comments its quite noticable that you, yourself, have not studied singing. The way Ms. Hamasaki sings with vibrato tends to go off key and turn into a yell. Definitely a skill every singer wants. Vibrato: "The steady pulsation of the voice that is heard of a sustained note. The pulsation is caused by a slight fluctuation in pitch above and below the tonal center of the note." (Oscar Kosarin, The Singing Actor). It's important to stress "slight fluctuation." One singer who uses a great deal of vibrato, with mixed results, is Erin Neville. Some singers produce vibrato naturally, others have to be taught. Although some singers and teachers consider vibrato to be ugly and perhaps even harmful, correct vibrato is not only an attractive sound, but will not harm the voice. The best singers have full control over their vibrato and use it to accent certain words or phrases for dramatic or emotional effect. Vibrato should not be confused with a warble, which is a large fluctuation in pitch, which is usually the result of bad singing technique. If you want to know what she is actually doing. Its called a Warble or Wobble: Quote:
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Ayumi Hamasaki tenses up her jaw when she does your 'eye candy'. She tenses up all over her throat. Most people would think you shouldn't sing out of your throat. Stop whining when people put your God down. She by far is not the best vocalist but she could use a little advice to help her voice from dying. Her songs haven't been powerful btw bb. They've been over produced with heavy backing vocals .. maybe Ayumi can't handle the solo scene anymore. |
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Just relax :rolleyes |
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I think that those facts about "correct" singing techniques are more true in the world of classical music & such. in pop the artists don't really care about whats the "pure" way of singing , they care more about the singing actually sounds.
like Mariah Carey has her own way of singing , the technique she uses is her own & not a "pure" singing technique. she has her own unique sound which soundfs really good , tho ppl say that not using the correct techniques has lead to some deteriorating in her vocal abilities over the years :P anyways , my point is that it's clear that Ayu's vibrato/warble/worble/whatever isn't a "true" singing technique but really it doesn't matter to the casual listener in pop music :yes |
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The thing is that this technique is quite harmful and simply being addressed. Regardless to her 'style' she is still flawed. If she wants to sing with these she should utlitize them in the correct way. |
//hikari is very right.
and we all know that pop music is very different from classical/opera but it is music nevertheless and still singing. Singing is singing in any style. Vibrato is a natural thing in many singers and it can also be induced or taken and way- which is singing "straight-toned" the thing that puzzles me is that Ayu moves her jaw and moving your jaw does NOTHING to create vibrato! maybe sometime i will record and upload some examples of myself singing w/ vibrato and without. but let us continue w/ discussion ^^ i like it! |
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Just like some people bend over their heads on one side when they write, becouse they feel more comfortable or smth, while it doesn't really effect their writing style... Unless she developed some uncontrolled jaw movement syndrome over the years of singing without the right techniques. |
Vibrato should come naturally, not extremely exaggerated. I don't mind if she does it, but when exaggerated I feel it's just to get that "studio voice."
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I'm almost embarassed for Ayu when I see her doing this extreme vibrato thing. Her voice sounds so lovely when she uses a more natural-sounding vibrato, like in her earlier recordings; why did she switch to this really annoying jaw-pumping vibrato?? I'll never understand. :irked
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i admire any vibrato ^.^
i do feel that she cant rlly hold any note w/ vibrato for a long period of time.. and sometimes, i feel lik shes forcing the vibrato out, and she does a bit too much |
Unhealthy?
Is it really unhealthy to do that warble thingy? Because that's what I do when I sing her song, and it felt good. I also heard that you should be using your throat to do that, not your abdomen.
Anyway, Ayu sounds very good when she does her vibrato, and I think it's a good thing. Depends. |
I love her vibrato-thing, and i think it's nice that she can make it sound so good, but i really don't like when she's doing to much, like singing JEWEL live!
Anyways, i think her "new" voice would be quite empty without it |
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