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JesA 10th August 2007 03:31 AM

what could Avex be hiding from us?
 
there's always extra tracks that were ultimately shelved or scrapped...*unlike American music, when those songs always either leak out or are released in other countries* sometimes these songs come out to be really awesome...i was just thinking, just how many songs like this does Ayu have? it would seem kinda unlikely that she would allow one of her songs to be scrapped, but yu never know. it would be interesting to uncover these songs, wouldnt it?

Coelacanth 10th August 2007 03:38 AM

I wonder too. Ever since we learned that 'It was' was meant for (miss)understood, you can only wonder how many other songs were meant for that album but never made the cut.

I'm betting that there's a few CREA masterpieces in the vault, she was probably like 'Ew these songs suck, I'm never composing again!'

truehappiness 10th August 2007 03:43 AM

There's an infinite number of possibilities, really.

I mean, they do demo a bunch of songs [like 12-20] to her and then she chooses from there and writes lyrics based on melodies she likes..

HELVENEUE 10th August 2007 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JesA (Post 1163092)
*unlike American music, when those songs always either leak out or are released in other countries*

That's not always true. I read somewhere that Beyonce made like 30 songs for B'DAY and she only picked 10. Even after the Deluxe Edition, and the Worldwide Versions, she hasn't released all of them.

ANYWAY. I'm sure ayu has quite a bit of songs shelved. From each album, I'm sure a good chunk of songs get shelved.

( btw...no wonder 'It was' sounds so out-of-place...I think it would've been better on (miss)understood... )

JesA 10th August 2007 03:53 AM

^ how come no one ever told me It Was was meant for (miss) understood? thats one of my favorite Ayu songs...

truehappiness 10th August 2007 04:01 AM

It's in the Secret album interview translations.

JesA 10th August 2007 04:24 AM

^ oh wow, ive never read one of those from Ayu before...i kinda wished that guy wouldve asked her what she was saying in the opening though haha...just to ease the millions of people askings' minds.

milky_way 10th August 2007 04:40 AM

Maybe in the future after Ayu retires, they'll make a CD of unreleased material.

namiie 10th August 2007 05:36 AM

I don't know; I think Ayu is a pretty big perfectionist to start with. I could see her scrapping songs she doesn't like. Oh well...I guess we'll never know unless avex/Ayu says something.

Weslicious 10th August 2007 07:41 AM

It's a great money spinner for the label's once the artists finally retire (or, you know, die).
There have been recent Elvis/Beatles/Jimmy Hendrix releases that have contained 'new songs'.
With the whole 'It Was' being left over, that doesn't always work out. Gwen Stefani's 'Sweet Escape' was half of the left over's from her 'LAMB' album, and the fact they weren't good enough first time around really shows.

Demo's are usually interesting as they give the song a whole new take. Shelved tracks however can dissapoint.

sora2522 10th August 2007 07:42 AM

*COUGH COUGH KEY ORIGINAL COUGH*

milky_way 10th August 2007 07:53 AM

Maybe Memorial address ~take 1~ XD

JesA 10th August 2007 09:51 PM

^ its likely that that one was trashed, cuz if they recorded and used the second take, they wouldnt have kept the original.


haha and an original version of Key would be awesome!

alt.total-loser 10th August 2007 09:58 PM

We should break into Avex.

sora2522 10th August 2007 10:07 PM

then we can make ayu's new song MUCH MUCH better with a BETTER TITLE!
HELL YEA!!!

criminal 10th August 2007 10:39 PM

How do you know if the song needs to be made better? ;3
As for the title, I'd change it to ~TALK me~ or something. :D

sora2522 10th August 2007 10:40 PM

just so she doesn't release another glitter XP
plus, talkin' 2 me? *shudders*

evolution7931 11th August 2007 02:53 AM

I think probably most of the Secret album tracks aside from Jewel, 1 Love & Momentum were probably tracks that she had already written but decided against publishing. That would explain how she managed to put them all together within two weeks or whatever ;)

JesA 11th August 2007 03:01 AM

^ haha that makes sense..gosh, i remember when that announcement about the full album was made...everyone was like OMG HOW IS SHE DOING THAT?!?! I HOPE THE PRICE DOESNT GO UP! ZOMG I ALREADY PREORDERED 14 OF THEM!

ImpactBreaker 11th August 2007 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1163715)
I think probably most of the Secret album tracks aside from Jewel, 1 Love & Momentum were probably tracks that she had already written but decided against publishing. That would explain how she managed to put them all together within two weeks or whatever ;)

Well, but then, there's also the chance that she could have written most of those songs during the huge hiatus from BLUE BIRD single release.It's obvious that she didn't write all those songs in 2 weeks, but the possibility that she could have written a great part of those songs along with 1LOVE, JEWEL, momentum and etc, isn't really remote, because she had several months (and not really just 2 weeks - an announcement doesn't mean they've started to work in a project at that exact moment-) to produce Secret.

evolution7931 11th August 2007 04:36 AM

^That's possible too. I wonder why they'd make a mini album if they had made so many songs though. Maybe they wanted to save them for the next year or something

ImpactBreaker 11th August 2007 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1163788)
^That's possible too. I wonder why they'd make a mini album if they had made so many songs though. Maybe they wanted to save them for the next year or something

I think it was mostly a joke/public stunt in order to surprise fans...I dunno, we will never know the truth behind these things LOL :laugh

I do agree I've always been quite curious to listen to all of her songs that were never released. I'm sure there's quite a few....

truehappiness 11th August 2007 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sora2522 (Post 1163585)
just so she doesn't release another glitter XP
plus, talkin' 2 me? *shudders*

Better than some common title. :luv2

extepan 11th August 2007 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by alt.total-loser (Post 1163550)
We should break into Avex.

that's the best idea!

evolution7931 11th August 2007 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1163791)
I think it was mostly a joke/public stunt in order to surprise fans...I dunno, we will never know the truth behind these things LOL :laugh

I do agree I've always been quite curious to listen to all of her songs that were never released. I'm sure there's quite a few....

That too. :P Maybe it was just miscommunication between Ayu and Staff. I dunno, she could have joked around "MAYBEee I'll make a mini album this year!" then they put it on her site and she's liek "WTF CHANGE IT TO FULL.. NOW!!"
or maybe they were like "Ayu dear you need a break. Save some songs for next year" and updated the site for a mini album and then she logs onto the site one morning and goes "WTFFFFFF. *calls staff* WTF! GET THAT OFF NOW AND MAKE IT A FULL ONE :irked"
The possibilities are endless :D

greggerz189 11th August 2007 09:08 AM

I'm sure they're hiding plenty. If Ayu is the way she seems to appear to me, I'm sure she goes back to unreleased material every now and then to re-visit and play around with the lyrics/composition a bit more.

Diana 12th August 2007 10:31 PM

I don`t get it.. How was "It was" meant for (miss)understood? It`s stupid if she just put it on Secret :(

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Originally Posted by evolution7931 (Post 1163715)
I think probably most of the Secret album tracks aside from Jewel, 1 Love & Momentum were probably tracks that she had already written but decided against publishing. That would explain how she managed to put them all together within two weeks or whatever ;)

Hm.. I never thought about it... But yeh :/ ... So she writes her song in advance and puts them on some album.. grr...

World greatest hackers! Unite and break into Avex :D

fanmail 12th August 2007 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by alt.total-loser (Post 1163550)
We should break into Avex.

yes!! imagine having access to the avex database :luv2:luv2:luv2:luv2:thud:thud:thud:thud

greggerz189 13th August 2007 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fanmail (Post 1164972)
yes!! imagine having access to the avex database

yeah...I would love private access to that stuff. but if it ever leaked it would kill ayu's sales.

evolution7931 13th August 2007 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Diana (Post 1164928)
I don`t get it.. How was "It was" meant for (miss)understood? It`s stupid if she just put it on Secret :(

Here's what Ayu said herself in the Secret interview:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayumi Hamasaki
This was one of the songs we had gathered up for the (miss)understood album. I didn't use it then, but of course I really liked it and had tasuku arrange it. I felt like I wanted the lyrics to not end very clearly, or like I wanted to make lyrics which ended on a confused note. There were lots of different ones, but now I feel like... no, we went through several before getting out a (rough) ending, but it seems like it's still confused. Sometimes people people drag around certain times and mistakes, and sometimes there are things that people regret, aren't there? I wanted to write of a world that seemed to smell of real people. Everyone's got to have those kind of feelings, so I felt I wanted to share that emotion.


truehappiness 13th August 2007 07:07 AM

Probably one of the songs that GEO kicked off the album.

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AyuHamasaki01 13th August 2007 07:42 AM

I wonder to!
Wouldn't it be great if she released a CD for het 10th anniversary with unreleased tracks?

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Originally Posted by JesA (Post 1163111)
^ how come no one ever told me It Was was meant for (miss) understood? thats one of my favorite Ayu songs...

Yeah! But it's good to know...
*somthing I've learned today...*

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1163120)

Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by alt.total-loser (Post 1163550)
We should break into Avex.

hahaha! The best idea so far! I love you!
Wouldn't it be great if we could hack their computersystem or something? and discover unreleased stuff from Avex artists

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Originally Posted by fanmail (Post 1164972)
yes!! imagine having access to the avex database :luv2:luv2:luv2:luv2:thud:thud:thud:thud

*slaps back* go get startin', but keep dreamin'!
Like I said, keep dreaming!

Wouldn't it be totally awesome if someone on this forum works for Avex?

Aga-chan 13th August 2007 09:11 AM

I remember to have read some comment from ayu that she wrote the other "Secret" songs in like three days (the lyrics, of course)? I don't know where I got that from, though...

Diana 13th August 2007 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AyuHamasaki01 (Post 1165141)
Wouldn't it be totally awesome if someone on this forum works for Avex?

.. I would be scared. Avex: so this is where that talk everything about Hamasaki-san.. and they download her work!! Let`s sue them!

.......

BAM!! No more AHS :no

Spoiler:
... When I think about it, they have important work than that :P

AyuHamasaki01 13th August 2007 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Diana (Post 1165268)
.. I would be scared. Avex: so this is where that talk everything about Hamasaki-san.. and they download her work!! Let`s sue them!

.......

BAM!! No more AHS :no

Spoiler:
... When I think about it, they have important work than that :P

Then we'll sue Avex before they do! :P

Diana 13th August 2007 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyuHamasaki01 (Post 1165271)
Then we'll sue Avex before they do! :P

Oh gosh.. Why didn`t I think of that? ... Guess who`ll win! ... Avex of course. Like they care about us.. *cries*

TuNaRoLl1024 18th August 2007 05:48 PM

im glad "It was" was on Secret :) it just seems like it fits perfectly there. (although maybe a bit of editing and it could of fit on (miss)understood :/... hm)

maybe she'll release some un-released stuff to the public in a while

:D

JesA 19th August 2007 12:33 AM

her 10th anniversary is coming soon...and so is her 50th single...there just might be some special stuff to come out around then

HELVENEUE 19th August 2007 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Weslicious (Post 1163230)
Gwen Stefani's 'Sweet Escape' was half of the left over's from her 'LAMB' album, and the fact they weren't good enough first time around really shows.

This is actually untrue. The only LAMB leftover on The Sweet Escape is "Wonderful Life". She ended up using new material for all of the album (except 1, of course.)

on topic though,
unreleased songs don't unnecessarily mean they weren't up-to-snuff, maybe she just had other things she wanted to release more?

DA1SUK1DAY01691 19th August 2007 10:43 AM

I have a feeling that most of these shelved songs would come from her "I am..." to "MY STORY" era, where she did the most composing. Then what she probably did for (miss)understood and Secret is re-visit some if she was stuck with one or two open tracks, and have someone else re-arrange it for her. (I just have this feeling that this is where "criminal" came from, like it belonged on "I am..."; then you have what people say is the downgrade of M [momentum], which could've been a first edition M)

alternarist 19th August 2007 12:32 PM

why would ayu write any songs and not release it? she probably write some songs but delay the release for a very long time ??

austin. ♥ 19th August 2007 09:20 PM

Ayu's sex tape. SCANDAL.

Weslicious 19th August 2007 09:23 PM

^^^Especially the 3-way with Kumi and Utada.

There were legs everywhere. No wonder avex have hidden it.

criminal 20th August 2007 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DA1SUK1DAY01691 (Post 1172983)
(I just have this feeling that this is where "criminal" came from, like it belonged on "I am..."; then you have what people say is the downgrade of M [momentum], which could've been a first edition M)

OH MY GAWD. The weird thing is that it's actually possible. :| Could you imagine momentum as a million-seller? :O


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