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KarenPang 15th March 2008 05:04 AM

do you consider Mirrorcle World as a recut single from GUILTY ?
 
The title's pretty much self explained .

Post your views/thoughts on here then !

HolyDragon10 15th March 2008 05:10 AM

Nope.
Its extended and even has 2(if you consider the re-sung You or DoY) new songs in it

zoomzoom 15th March 2008 05:10 AM

You can't really "consider it" recut, because recut is a term and it has a definition.

Deneb 15th March 2008 05:26 AM

not really, after all it's extended lol. i would only consider exact same song(or very minor changes)from album redistribute as single a recut.

everlastingRAINBOW 15th March 2008 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by zoomzoom (Post 1371778)
You can't really "consider it" recut, because recut is a term and it has a definition.

Let's get the grammar nazi up in here! I am totally one too :laugh


I think it's kinda a cheap deal :/! But hopefully the PV is the sex and I love the covers and want the poster!

ImpactBreaker 15th March 2008 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Deneb (Post 1371786)
not really, after all it's extended lol. i would only consider exact same song(or very minor changes)from album redistribute as single a recut.

Well, Daybreak single is an album cut and it sounds totally different from the original.

Answering to the question, it's really hard to define. The title has changed from Mirror to Mirrorcle World, the song is now an extended version (even though even an extended version of an album song can be considered an aklbum cut).

We'll have a definite answer when her next album is released. If Mirrorcle World is featured on it, then it wasn't a GUILTY's album cut. If it doesn't, then it was.

~ayu-cake~ 15th March 2008 11:33 AM

I don't see it as a re cut single at all.
I don't really see how it can be.

tinka69 15th March 2008 12:40 PM

i actually think so.
I liked it better when it was shorter. I never actually considered it as a prelude. It's more original like that.

sibby 15th March 2008 12:50 PM

^ yea i sort of agree. after i heard mirrorcle world, & i hear mirror again.. i actually prefered mirror >_>

but i dont really feel its a recut.. cause it sounds different to me o-o

mirrorcle world is not equal to mirror ITS DIFFERENT O_O that's what i think >_>

Catzi 15th March 2008 03:14 PM

It's extended as people said.

And because it is so, I don't think it'll be on her next album, since it was sorta already on GUILTY.

Very much like Opening run from I am.

Ayu_no_tenshi 15th March 2008 03:16 PM

i agree with the others that said no

truehappiness 15th March 2008 03:21 PM

It's not a recut single at all.

Sure, the song was on GUILTY in a shorter form, but this one has completely new sections added and a recut is usually the same song, with little to look forward to on a single other than an instrumental of the recut.

ImpactBreaker 15th March 2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1372349)
It's not a recut single at all.

Sure, the song was on GUILTY in a shorter form, but this one has completely new sections added and a recut is usually the same song, with little to look forward to on a single other than an instrumental of the recut.

Well, ai otsuka made an album cut that completely revamped one of her album songs, and it also had new songs on it. None of those made it to her next album. The song also had a slightly title change from 黒毛和牛上塩タン焼735円 to 黒毛和牛上塩タン焼680円. I really consider 黒毛和牛上塩タン焼680円 an album cut, rathwer than a brand original single.

truehappiness 15th March 2008 03:35 PM

Well, I guess the question comes down to:

Will Mirrorcle World be on the next album?

I think it probably won't... but.. you never know @_@.

tokyoxjapanxfan 15th March 2008 04:44 PM

not really...i mean, if we want to be technical, I'm sure there are some areas where it would definitely be considered one, but then there are areas where it isn't. it's resung, new lyrics, new music, 1 new song, 2 resung/mixed songs, etc. iunno, i don't really care either way :P I'm still wicked excited for it xD

kirei_ayumi 15th March 2008 05:05 PM

I wouldn't say a recut, it's more of a extended version...

elepop 15th March 2008 05:20 PM

It's more an extended version of an album track. A not really good extended version it is.. XD

micster 15th March 2008 05:49 PM

No its not.

DestinyWishes 15th March 2008 05:54 PM

I wouldn't consider it as a recut, there are a lot of new bits.

*Petit* 15th March 2008 05:56 PM

I do not really consider it a recut, but I would find it a little cheap ifit appeared on the next album ... :headache

Chibi_Venus 15th March 2008 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1371808)
Well, Daybreak single is an album cut and it sounds totally different from the original.

Answering to the question, it's really hard to define. The title has changed from Mirror to Mirrorcle World, the song is now an extended version (even though even an extended version of an album song can be considered an aklbum cut).

We'll have a definite answer when her next album is released. If Mirrorcle World is featured on it, then it wasn't a GUILTY's album cut. If it doesn't, then it was.

Almost exactly how I would've put it, only I couldn't find the words. (:P)

Ayappe 15th March 2008 06:33 PM

I don't consider it as a recut but if she put the track on the new album, i would be a bit cheap :/

wenren93 15th March 2008 06:50 PM

i would not consider it a recut but A BRAND NEW SINGLE ! wuahahah ;D i love Mirrorcle World like mad... lol.
i'mma crazy over ayumi x} lollllllll .

norain 15th March 2008 06:54 PM

Maybe with Mirrocle world she can rerelease a guilty special edition! ok I kidd. I consider it sort of like a recut in the sense that it is, but it's not. Hehe.

Melrose 15th March 2008 09:03 PM

It's a recut, IMO.

Zachery! 16th March 2008 10:12 PM

In my opinion, its not a recut.

But we will see once Album season comes out ...

milky_way 17th March 2008 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1372375)
Well, I guess the question comes down to:

Will Mirrorcle World be on the next album?

I think it probably won't... but.. you never know @_@.

I hope not, but you never know with Avex.

KarenPang 17th March 2008 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by milky_way (Post 1374948)
I hope not, but you never know with Avex.

yup have to see what will happen in time to come

Beauty4123 17th March 2008 04:20 AM

not really. it's got a different length and added melodies. plus, it's sung different too. so it's basically different.

hiroshi_ben 17th March 2008 04:28 AM

I would take it as they are taking it out to make into a better version...but still there isnt much surprise to me...just a new song LIFE which i have yet to hear anything~^^

nevertheless lets hope that mirrorcle World's PV will be amazingly good!

ImpactBreaker 17th March 2008 05:16 AM

^Being in Paris, I kinda have the feeling it will be cheesy -_-;

truehappiness 17th March 2008 05:19 AM

Well she did say it was cool. XD

With five outfits [including a 20kg dress and a corset dress], it seems like it'll be kinda like STEP you. :/

Luv ~Venus~ 17th March 2008 05:21 AM

^She's prolly gonna copy Sifow in her PV as well. :sdevil

truehappiness 17th March 2008 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1375179)
^She's prolly gonna copy Sifow in her PV as well. :sdevil

Well, even if she does copy sifow, it'll probably have cost several thousand times more and look a thousand times better. :innocent

Luv ~Venus~ 17th March 2008 05:32 AM

^.......and still look a piece of crap compared to Sifow's awesome PVs. :sdevil

truehappiness 17th March 2008 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1375195)
^.......and still look a piece of crap compared to Sifow's awesome PVs. :sdevil

....sure.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5...humbv76om5.jpg

milky_way 17th March 2008 05:41 AM

What's with all the sifow talk? :/

Luv ~Venus~ 17th March 2008 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by truehappiness (Post 1375210)

That gif is freakin' hawt, true! :hi5

truehappiness 17th March 2008 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milky_way (Post 1375213)
What's with all the sifow talk? :/

Dunno. I think it's just a group of sifow fans that are angry that she's put her music career on hold to create a school.

IMO, this talk about sifow is pointless and gross.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1375216)
That gif is freakin' hawt, true! :hi5

Really? It looks like this to me:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2...1071mc3.th.jpg

ownsarai 17th March 2008 05:15 PM

Nah, it's an extended version, so I don't count it as a GUILTY track. I also don't think Mirrorcle World is going to be on her next album release either, I am kind of hoping this is just a special 10th year anniversary single song. :yes As for the b-side Life, it probably will be on her next album. :shrug

Nu-NRG 17th March 2008 05:52 PM

not at all
I thought recut is a song taken from an album and releases as a single with the song rearranged

Sommernacht~ 17th March 2008 06:54 PM

the most important question still is:

should I buy it or not?? :,(

ayumisrael 17th March 2008 07:54 PM

Mirrorcle World is not a recut single, it's considered as a totally new A-side.

Jwiz 17th March 2008 08:02 PM

I don't think so, as majority of the upcoming single contains : new material + re-recorded songs from other album.

naxxo.licious™ 18th March 2008 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1371808)
Well, Daybreak single is an album cut and it sounds totally different from the original.

Answering to the question, it's really hard to define. The title has changed from Mirror to Mirrorcle World, the song is now an extended version (even though even an extended version of an album song can be considered an aklbum cut).

We'll have a definite answer when her next album is released. If Mirrorcle World is featured on it, then it wasn't a GUILTY's album cut. If it doesn't, then it was.

I agree with you. but even if it doesn't appear on her next album, i consider MW as a new song. I know it's "only" and extended version, but she re-recorded it, it has new lyrics, it will have a PV, it'll be released as a single, so i think it kinda has left his GUILTY origins in the past

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2008 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by guilty_me (Post 1376402)


I agree with you. but even if it doesn't appear on her next album, i consider MW as a new song. I know it's "only" and extended version, but she re-recorded it, it has new lyrics, it will have a PV, it'll be released as a single, so i think it kinda has left his GUILTY origins in the past

the excerpt lyrics from the MIRROR track have been kept though and weren't renewed. And the Daybreak album cut earned Daybreak a chance to have a PV.

naxxo.licious™ 18th March 2008 04:57 AM

^ Yes, i know. MW conserves Mirror's lyrics, but with the addition of more lyrics, i think it turns into a new song.

As far as i know, a recut would have been to take a song, re record it and sell it. Maybe i'm wrong though

zoomzoom 18th March 2008 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by guilty_me (Post 1376732)
As far as i know, a recut would have been to take a song, re record it and sell it. Maybe i'm wrong though

Yea that's how I see it too.

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2008 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guilty_me (Post 1376732)
^ Yes, i know. MW conserves Mirror's lyrics, but with the addition of more lyrics, i think it turns into a new song.

As far as i know, a recut would have been to take a song, re record it and sell it. Maybe i'm wrong though

imo it just goes from prologue status to a full song. I don't really consider it a brand new song though. The added lyrics don't really make the song extra different nor do the new parts added to it; they just make the prologue Mirror complete now. Turning it into a brand new song would be doing something like LOVE~Destiny~ to LOVE~refrain~, same composition, but the lyrics are brand new and it has a different arrangement and pace. Mirrorcle World is nothing but an extended version of Mirror, slightly retouched here and there. The concept of the song is still the same.

imo that's almost like saying RAINBOW from A BALLADS is a brand new different song from track 0 from the RAINBOW album, just because the previous was incomplete. It was a sample, but still, the very same RAINBOW (just that back then ayu didn't change titles, because the sample was not on the actual CD but on a website you'd use the pass that came with the album).

That's all speculation though, so I could be totally wrong.

Luv ~Venus~ 18th March 2008 06:04 AM

^NO! YOU'RE RIGHT! YOU HAVE TO BE RIGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE A MOD! :sdevil

Seriously tho, I changed my mind. I don't consider this a recut single? Why? Because this is single is not used to promote GUILTY. It's used to promote Ayu's 10th annie. Remember that Recut singles are used to promote an album after it has been released.

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2008 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1376803)
^NO! YOU'RE RIGHT! YOU HAVE TO BE RIGHT BECAUSE YOU ARE A MOD! :sdevil

Dumb and not funny. I can defend my points of view and people can agree with them or not. In disagreeing, I can still try to defend them. I always back up my point of views with explanations, make them sense or not, and never by using any moderation power. It has nothing to do with me being a mod, so off with these stupid assumptions.

Quote:

Seriously tho, I changed my mind. I don't consider this a recut single? Why? Because this is single is not used to promote GUILTY. It's used to promote Ayu's 10th annie. Remember that Recut singles are used to promote an album after it has been released.
Life and Mirrorcle World talk about her 10 years career?

EDIT: Well, I checked the lyrics translations and it does make sense.

Kodayumi 18th March 2008 06:47 AM

No, it sounds like totally different.

Luv ~Venus~ 18th March 2008 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1376838)
Dumb and not funny. I can defend my points of view and people can agree with them or not. In disagreeing, I can still try to defend them. It has nothing to do with me being a mod, so off with these stupid assumptions.

I'm sorry! Please don't banned me! :weep

Ayumiko 18th March 2008 06:48 AM

I don't consider this single a recut single. Mirror is like a preview to the full version of mirrorcle world for me...just like RAINBOW was on RAINBOW to A BALLADS after.

ImpactBreaker 18th March 2008 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~ (Post 1376844)
I'm sorry! Please don't banned me! :weep

Grow up

Luv ~Venus~ 18th March 2008 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 1376849)
Grow up

I don't think I want to for now. :tipsy

As for the single, yea. I think Life and MW are used to promote her 10th annie. I mean, it's being released on her annie and seems kinda logical in a sense that it used to promote her annie. plus she rerecorded two of her oldest songs. :yes

TakaSama 18th March 2008 08:17 AM

In all of Ayu's previous recut singles, Fly high, Kanariya, and Daybreak, she never rerecorded the vocals. They were all released with different arrangements, but the vocals and lyrics were identical to the album version. (Although the man was sorta taken out of Kanariya).

Mirrorcle World not only has new lyrics, but she resang the pre-existing ones. Therefore I think it cannot be considered a recut. And I would expect to see it on her next album, because otherwise it would be the first time that an a-side did not make it on to an album.

Even if it does end up being called a "recut" in the end, I still expect it to appear on the next album, possibly as a bonus track or hidden track.

DA1SUK1DAY01691 18th March 2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sommernacht~ (Post 1376024)
the most important question still is:

should I buy it or not?? :,(

Which is the same question I'm asking. Lately, I've been saving for other things than singles, but with this debate going on, it's making me think. I guess I'll buy it if the PVs that good, and I couldn't live without it.


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