taskinst vs. Don't tell me by Hoobastank
 

Even the part where it shifts into rock is the same... :o It'd be interesting to see how tasuku explains himself. XD

taskinst came out 6 months after the Hoobastank album [May 2006 -> Nov 2006] , but tasuku could've made it before then.

Gawd, that's... almost exactly the same X.x I really liked taskinst, but now it sorta lost its awesomeness for me.
I don't really think tasuku would deliberately copy someone this much. His explanation would most likely be something like he had heard this song somewhere and then he didn't remember he heard it somewhere and thought it was just pure genius inspiration that hit him... :P Or something like that.

yeah I've noticed this right away! I even posted it in some forums, but not here haha :D

it's another tone level, but the pauses and all are exactly the same.

YEAH it IS exactly the same.
But it is not ayu's fault as she has no inolvement in this.
that is only an interlude.
luckly.
(can u imagine what will happen if the same thing happen to one of her songs. eg 1 LOVE?)

uuh lame rip off! :(
whyyyyy??

woww that's slightly the same!!!!!!
just that Hoobastank one is lower a little bit...as for Taskint..higher note~

LULZ. tasuku, please explain.

Geez, TASUKU will be added to the "shameful, huh?" list along with GEO....what's wrong with these composers? :shrug Can't they do things on their own, just steal and take possesion of what other composers did?

This would be a perfect example of why Ayu should bring CREA back.

It's scary.

Maybe Ayu found out, and that's why tasuku had no involvement in GUILTY. That's a shame, because he's an excellent arranger. As a composer.. not so great.

Woah, it's exactly the same, I was expecting better from Tasuku. I can't believe taskinst isn't his work.

LOL no. GEO composed Pride, which also sampled on another existing song.

Oh I would love a new Pride-ish song! I love that one! ^^

This is quite surprising, and quite disappointing on tasuku's part. Maybe he did work on it before, but I don't really think so because Secret was a mini-album from the beginning, and when they changed it to a full album there must've been not much time left, so maybe he took some inspiration from this song? XD I still like the arrangement of taskinst, though.

GEO also composed a number of songs from (miss)understood, but Ayu got persmission to use those...

But, DANG, those songs sound EXACTLY the same. I mean, with the exception of pitch and some instruments, but other than that, the rhythm, sound, all of that is the same...wow. And, of course, there's no mention in the album about this.

I know it sounds, like, 98% alike, but there's no confirmation on whether or not tasuku completely took Hoobastank's work, right? I'm just saying, because some people seem to be jumping to conclusions. :shrug

Anyway, I never really liked "taskinst" in the first place, so it's not like I'm thinking, "Ohh, I've lost my love for it," you know? Now, if "tasking" was found to be copied, I'd be devastated. (:laugh)

I definately side with you here, I suddenly realized how strange it was that TASUKU has had an intrelude on every album since I am...(minus, strangely, MY STORY, and Memorial address which has no interludes), and suddenly he's out of the picture on GUILTY. This almost makes me wonder about his other interludes...

It's upsetting though, especially because amongst ignorant fans, Ayu will be the one who's blamed.

I know. I only mentioned Pride because so far it's the only GEO-ayu song that has been sampled from another existing song (Crucified) that I know of, apparently wiithout the permission of the original group who made the that song. However GEO has several non-ayu songs that sample on many existing songs in his SWEETBOX discography.

Damned TASUKU!!!, I've never been fan of that song much! xD.

TASUKU is now #2 on the list of composers who should not work with ayu NEVER AGAIN!, GEO is number #1.

Aw man, I loved this interlude, too!!! Bleh, so disappointed.

oh man I really liked taskinst.......shame on you tasuku

I think that tasuku shouldn't really be said to "never work with Ayu again" because it seems like a lot of people do this..

I mean, there are a lot of accusations against Ai Otsuka and her own compositions and no one does anything about it :\

LOL though it sounds the same taskinst is still awesome :D

^ yeeees. I still love Taskinst :luv2

We don't know when TASUKU wrote taskinst. For all we know he could have had it for years and years, and just was waiting for the right oppertunity to employ it.

It doesn't make me like taskinst any less.

I liked Tasuku as a composer, not just for Ayu. But it could explain the weird absence from the GUILTY album, if Avex/Ayu found out or something...

Lolol. It's likely. XDDD

lol!! nice one!!

but i must say the only thing that is similar is the transition from soft to loud (rock） part.. thats all.

eew tasuku.. need his clue..

OMG... Pride and Crucified really ARE a lot alike!!

Crucified:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...B5KgjQL5g6S7DA

@alternarist: Um.. Almost the whole thing is the same.. @_@

I thought that Ayu had super controll over her work. That she goes through every song carefully. I guess not huh..that sounded EXACTLY the same.

^ You really can't blame Ayu. She doesn't know every song ever written in the whole entire world.

It may be that ayu contacted Hoobastank and asked if she could use Don't Tell Me for her album.. She has done it like a million times before, so why not?

I want ayu brings CREA, CREA+DAI, CREA+HAL+DAI, HAL+DAI back...

even though TASUKU is awesome.

Exactly, she doesn't have to know about every single composition that exists in the world. The problem here is not her, but some of her composers, who are shameless enough to rip off existing compositions and publish them as their own. They know what they did, but ayu probably doesn't.

sheet !!!!
pride = cruicfied as well!

Ayu should really avoid workign with them again. especially GEO. CRAP!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYT2aWavXlc -crucified.

army of lovers is a swedish group...or they dont exist anymore but :P

Can someone explain to me why GEO sucks so badly?

I actually like his songs *hides "In The Corner"

I think GEO just made really non-Japanese-y songs for Ayu. The stuff he created for her was very... Western. More than anything she'd ever done before tbh.

Well, Ayu's version is much better at least.

I enjoy the GEO songs too! I tried listening to the original Sweetbox versions, but they were massively improved for Ayu's album. *gags* I can't stand their singer's voice.

wow they sound so much the same!!im so disappointed cuz i loved it so much!haha

ooohhh... I've hear that before, but dunno who was the author of that >.< was EXACTLY the same *dies*
anyways... I want the mp3 XD

LOL, that's hilarious. I still think "taskinst" is better, though. It seems more melodic and there's no electronic beats on the Hoobastank track. :P

I'm glad that you posted this because I remember hearing talk that it sounded like a Hoobastank song but I was always to lazy to look up which one and to evaluate the two myself!

I agree. taskisnt pwns Hoobastank's song. Still it sucks that tasuku completely took that track. Ayu probably doesn't even know who Hoobastank is.

Finally someone mentioned the Pride and Crucified similarity! I've never liked Pride, and it was precisely because I heard crucified first! I was never sure if Geo copied it or just happened to come up with the same idea.. in any case, Pride is supposed to be serious, but I never thought of it that way because Crucified just isn't!

Wow, this is really something. I'm stunned.

This is also pretty disheartening. They are quite similar. Thank you for posting this.

This thread is intense....I don't know what to think @_@

I don't really think the Linkin Park song and GUILTY are related. A song of that type isn't really that unusual of a thing. :shrug

Also, I always figured that Pride and Crucif(y/ied?) both sampled the same piece of classical music or something. Because I remember that GEO does that kind of often in Sweetbox's music. Then again, I really don't know anything about anything. :irked

The Hoobastank song and taskinst though... I can't say anything about that. :thud

Meh who cares? Hoobstank stanks, and Ayu rules!

Yeah, I'm a fan of both songs and I barely noticed much of that. I think it's too generic to say it was copied from the other song imo, though I do agree the resemblance is still there. This is totally diifferent from taskiinst and Pride though, in which there's absolutely no doubt that it wasn't just simple coincidence.

Huh. I wonder how many Japanese people have noticed these things. I think we're all catching them because we're English speakers and (for a lot of us) our mainstream music is from the American music industry. So maybe while Ayu and them over in Japan may not have ever heard these songs before, we have.

Nevertheless, this is all a bit disheartening. The beginning of "What I've Done" and "GUILTY" are very, very similar; though that one I'll give might actually just be coincidence. Pride and Crucify (omg, that is the most hilarious video I've ever seen!) I can see the similarity, but it doesn't seem similar enough to be ripped off. Plus, that seems way to obscure of a song for any Japanese person to know about (but then again, maybe they thought they could get away with it BECAUSE it's obscure). And the Hoobastank thing...yeah. Blatant. However, I really do honestly like Ayu's version better. So I don't really care all that much. :shrug

But seriously, I wonder how many Japanese people have figured these things out as well. You'd think there would have been some sort of uproar by now.

Actually to me it was rather obvious that the Pride chorus was copied from Crucified, even if it's an obscure song mainly for a few facts:

-If you acctually listen to SWEETBOX discography (GEO is the composer), many of their songs have sampled, copied and paste pieces of already existing songs, including classical songs and other stuff. So GEO already has a "bad reputation" in not doing original compositions.
-Prides verses are totally disconnected from the chorus. It's like a copy+paste song with two different songs glued together. The verses sound deep and sorrowful, the chorus sound a little disturbing, macabre and does't related much with the verses. It's like bad photoshopping in which you glue your face into somebody's else body and don't are to model things up to make them look slightly real. Because of that I was never able to fully enjoy that song.
-Crucified is an horrible song, reason why the only part of Pride that sucks so much is the chorus


I don't really know. Where I live we have a local genre of music, and the composers usually "steal" (copy without permission) several famous american songs and adapt it to this genre (They even made it with Rihanna's Umbrella for example). They use the exactly same composition, create new unrelated lyrics, change the arrangemernts to be an adaptation of that genre of music and put a local female vocalist to sing. The people here never complain about the copying and to an extent they actually prefer listening to the "adaptation", which can be a little shameful imo. Maybe in Japan, something slightly simillar happens, and they don't really care much if american music is sampled even without permission. Shameful that a huge label like avex would permit that though.

Wow, the Hoobastank thing is really surprising. I don't really care for the group though so I'll say I like Ayu's better, but man, tasuku needs to make up his own ideas. (Maybe he ran out?) If I found out that tasking was copied I'll cry or something. That's my favorite interlude ever. Anyway for the Guilty vs. What I've Done thing, I like both songs so it doesn't really matter to me. I'm guessing Guilty is more of a coincidence compared to taskinst.

Me too, that would be horrible. I like taskinst, though this just shatters it a bit. Kinda lame of tasuku. Sad, though ayu isn't at fault, it's still her name on the album cover.

The thing is, Ayu doesn't know about every composition in the world, therefore she could have let it pass without even knowing about it. I still think the composer(s) are at fault for this kind of thing. I'll say it again, CREA needs to come back, and SOON~

OMG! It's the same for real.

Shame on you tasuku, shame on you.

This comment doesn't make sense. :shrug

^I would totally cry, too. :weep Let's hope nothing else has been re-vamped for Ayu without her knowledge.

I'm guessing it was the first thing that came to tasuku's head..

If you recall, tasuku probably had less than a few weeks to make an interlude. Remember how Secret, [not GUILTY, thank mindfarts for the weird title placement..] went from a mini-album to a full length album in a matter of weeks? @_@

I don't blame him at all.

You mean Secret, right? I guess he was in a hurry, but that still doesn't excuse a blatant rip off at all IMO. Then you just shouldn't compose.

For real, it doesn't justify that. It's not because someone's lacking time that they will rush and copy a song. If he couldn't come up with any idea, he should have been sincere about it: "time it's too short and composing demands time".

Also, I still think the mini album => album thing from Secret was a public stunt. I don't think they created all those songs from a last minute attempt of fulfilling the album.

wait wait wait, that Sweetbox guy ganks tunes? D:

Go to youtube and search for "Army Of Lovers - Crucified" and then listen to the ayu's "Pride" chorus for a little surprise ;)

.... :O

Okay that breaks my heart, because I love Pride like no tomorrow - WTF GEO >:O

I'm disappointed to hear about the taskinst and Don't Tell Me similarity / rip off as well, but then again I'm inclined to give a wee bit of a benefit of the doubt here and say that just may~be tasku was granted the rights to the song and altered it to fit Ayu's style. I mean, that doesn't make me any happier that Hoobastank not only wasn't credited but all that was changed was just taskinst being a little higher than DTM, but it's still something I wonder about.

However I didn't even know Hoobastank was still around much less making new songs o_o; Aren't they just a cheap copy of Incubus, anyway?

okay great now im really convinced that CREA should come back even if she thinks she cant write songs anymore. I HAVE FAITH :D

I completely agree. Artists record more songs than necessary all the time. Some songs make the cut for the album, some dont. So really, they probably had all the songs laid out and instead of cutting the ones they didnt like that much, they just made a full album.

Well, she's admitted that not all of the songs were brand new creations [It was, being from (m)u's era and until that Day.. having been an interlude.. etc..] so I think that it's highly likely that it was a last minute attempt. :\

Like, they even announced the mini album with a tracklist, and later changed that all. If you look at how the situation played out, it seems as though Ayu thought more about it and changed her mind. After all, wasn't the announcement after some meeting in Las Vegas with Mikajohn and Max?

^ It was...? (:P)

That's a shame... I've always appreciated Ayu's interludes for their originality and cool sounds but not this time >_< And from Hoobastank? That's really random.

How many other albums has she used songs from previous albums? We don't know. Maybe GUILTY had a song that was supposed to be from Secret. maybe Duty had a song that was supposed to be in LOVEppears. The reason she pointed that fact about It Was..., was because at the time she was going to release (miss)understood (and not Secret), in her opinion there still was something lacking in that song. So whoever it was, kept on working on the song composition and probably made it ready even way before Secret was annouced and this time ayu thought the song finally was right. Since Secret is one of her only albums I can personally remeber ayu describing track by track, she mentioned that fact. Whatever you believe, she'll either be a liar in either case: 1) she lied that secret was a mini album when it was a full album, making it a public stunt (which isn'ty bad imo, just a way too boost sales, after all she's a product; or 2) Secret was indeed a mini-album turned in a last minute attempt album, and ayu is lying saying that It Was... was a incomplete song for all these years, but in a last minute magic, the composer finally made it work (which would be a very creepy asnd disgusting lie). I chose to believe it was a public stunt, because that's what It Was... Who knows if HAPPY ENDING, SCAR, Naturally were all supposed to be on previous albums but made it to the next? Nobody knows.

I remember when I saw the situation and I was kinda laughing because the annoucement had "public stunt" stamped on it, screaming all over in a very cheesy way. :laugh

She's previously done track-by-track liner notes in CD DATA / other magazines a few times before.. earliest one I can recall is the one on her site about RAINBOW. :o

Regarding It was:
It seems as though the song was done save for lyrics.. :\~ It was not the composer or w/e that needed to work on it, it was Ayu who wanted the lyrics to seem different.

Thanks for clarifying. That doesn' make things much better though, because ayu had to also come up with the lyrics of several other songs in a rush. I dunno....:no

poker face, anyone?

Well, basically the interview thing says that she had lyrics for It was ready, but the conclusion was bothering her since she had a clear vision as to how she wanted it to end..

This situation is a lot different from the GUILTY situation in which she wrote a lot of the album tracks all in the same day @_@~

^I'm assuming ayu doesn't know about it after all then. If she does and still uses him, that would be lame.

How is that lame? She's had several composers [including herself + DAI] in the past that have had the same 4-5 notes in a song as some older song. (Of course, the case with taskinst is different since just about all of it came from the intro to "Don't Tell Me..")

Personally, I think that the taskinst thing came subconsciously to tasuku.. like, he was rushed when creating the Secret album and he ended up using the same melody or something.

I dunno, all I know is that it doesn't bother me. Plenty of people copy all the time and no one really notices unless you've heard some obscure song [see Ai Otsuka + the many songs that she's apparently copied in some way and so on..]

It doesn't bother me either, I mean it's just an interlude. There are billions of songs out there, every 100th can have something similar to at least another 100.

I sort of understand where people are coming from, since taskinst is almost a direct copy of "Don't Tell Me" but honestly, it's nothing to make a big deal about.

People found out, and so what? No one's really gonna do anything about it because no one really cares. And for those that do, it's a waste of their time/energy/brainpower angsting over someone else's work. [which is clearly better than the original tbh.]

Well said.:D

That sounds like a horrible excuse. Subconsciously? Come on. If it did, he would've heard it before, so wouldn't he at one point be listening to the final song and think "Hmmm I heard this before somewhere"? Like come on, the song is a clone.

The thing is, you listen to a song (or interlude) and think "wow, this is really good work". And then it's just not. It's more of an integrity thing I guess. It would've been different had they actually credited the real composers. But this wasn't tasuku's work.

Well, whatever happened, I don't really care. Sure the song is like a 99.9% - 100% clone, but eh. It's useless to hold a 'grudge' towards tasuku tbh. He produces some good work, and honestly, I don't know if people care in the long run.. after all one of tasuku's previous Ayu-interludes was completely gypped by the Taiwanese trio band "F.I.R" and of course, no one gave a hoot about it.

Not really trying to make any excuses here, but I think that it's something that shouldn't be made a big deal of, but should still be remembered.. it just seems like people are disliking him simply because of some dumb melody that he copied. So what?

EDIT: And suppose people did care.. no one really listens to Hoobastank to begin with. The album that "Don't Tell Me" was on barely scraped past 172,000 in total sales.

I'm mostly annoyed by how it's not his name on it, but ayu's. It's her name on the cover. Also, if he did that once, when will he do it again? Has he done it before? If a full song would turn out to be a rip off it would be awful.

Well, that's true. But I think this is the only case of tasuku ripping off someone else.

I'm sure no one would've noticed if someone didn't point it out tbh. If it happens again, then we can worry about tasuku and call him a total rip-off artist. But for now, we have to just let it go.

TBE Honest I would just say GET OVER IT and enjoy the music. Just think of it as another version. I for once don't care for either songs, and another thing is that the arrangements are what's been ripped off, not the melody or thelyrics. This makes in fact somewhat of a difference because within the limited means of pop music the background rythm and chords will be repeated. Yes, it's maybe a little too much alike here because the instrumentation is similar as well, but that way of playing the chords you will find all the way back to bach. Im sick and tired of the complaining of ripping off and cover alligations all over this forum lately, even in threads it does NOT belong. A dress is a dress and con only have so many variations, and please, there are only 12 notees being used in all of pop music melodies alltogether, of course some of the passages will be repeated. O.o !!!! "#()&!¤=(/"%

I have to wonder if you would say that if you worked hard to write a song, and someone completely ripped it off without giving you any credit whatsoever?

Stealing is stealing, even if "no one really listens to Hoobastank" or whatever. (Yeah, I know truehappiness said that, not you...)

But anyways, I agree that it's stupid to make so many threads about "Ayu's dress looks like someone's else's!" and whatnot, but completely copying a song is entirely different.

If you take those two sentences out of the context, yes I agree with you, but if you did also read the rest which was supposed to be connected, you'd see what I mean in terms of the difference between the accompanying music and the actual melody/lyrics etc. I think the similarities are yes a little too much in this case, but there has been no law suit so I would think either no one cares enough or it's just not apparent enough. The song is not completely copied at all, the intro is similar, that's it. It's not even the hook line. There are thousands of songs using the same standard "bass line" for dance music, polka etc. because this is generic and cannot be copyrighted. This intro is in between generic accomp music and a hook line IMO. I'm not saying it's not sounding the same, but it's not necessarily a copyright infringement or "lack of creativity" as some people are blowing this completely out of proportion.

Was Shakira's whenever wherever a copyright infringement of that pink floyd song or whoever it was just because the intro tones are almost exactly the same? No. And that was even a huge hit. from youtube reg. hoobs and ayus: :yes I'm not going to post more about this.. Will. Try. To. Ignore. From. Now. Maybe we could have a "I'm heartbroken OMG what did ayu/collaborateurs COPY!?!?!?! :cry:" where we could gather all this drees imitation, copy music, carrying the same purse, copying her own shoes twice..

Um... okay. I don't really get your point. Whether it's the hook line or not, taskinst sounds exactly the same as the intro to whatever that song is called. It kind of seems like you haven't even listened to the songs, because there's more in common here than just a "standard bass line". :/

And I'm not trying to say "i'm so heartbroken ayu&tasuku copy!!!" I mean, I really don't care THAT much. But I think it's seriously ridiculous to tell people to just "get over it".

yeah ^^ I mean has anyone heard the obvious similarity of sweetbox's ADDICTED's bass and the one in 50 cent's In da club? In the end it turned out that GEO actually used that bg music for an old sweetbox song way before In da club was recorded. Tasuku's composition might have been made years before it was actually included on Ayu's album, and even if it wasn't, tasuku has done some amazing arrangements for ayu!

Geo is an entirely different story, he's known for ripping off other people.

And to say that only the intro of taskinst is the same, get out of your denial. He might have switched up the keys, but as a whole it's a rip off in the league of the Taiwanese JEWEL PV copy.

While it's not the end of the world, the attitude "oh it's no big deal" is ridiculous. Had it been the other way, someone ripping off ayu, we wouldn't have heard the end of it, like with the Taiwanese copy. Double standards much?

I don't think it's a big deal (with tasuku's related issue) mainly since he/avex weren't sued for anything so it's all fine.
I also don't think it's a big deal when someone copies ayu since I feel proud of her when someone wants something she did or do something exactly like her XD
It's annoying if there aren't at least credits or bought copyrights though.

Well, it isn't a big deal if you haven't noticed. There's probably like maybe 100-200 people that know, and they're the ones dwelling on the fact that "tasuku/Ayumi Hamasaki copied Hoobastank" but really. What can be done? Complaining about it or being moody about a tasuku arrangement/composition isn't going to change the fact that it happened.

I dunno why some of you continue to talk about it like it's a big topic. This is sort of like how China apparently "deceived the world" during the Olympics using cinematic footage for like 20 seconds and a lipsynching girl for 2 minutes.. sure it was wrong or whatever, but what's done is done.

Nope, nothing can be done. But it shouldn't just be discarded either, like some want to. We can thank Hoobastank for a cool interlude, not tasuku. It irked me a bit to see the complete "ZOMG YES HE'S BACK!!" attitude.

Copying just isn't cool, but I hope he does a good job with GREEN.

no one said copying is cool ^^ Just that he has done some great arrangements for Ayu and that we're looking forward to hear GREEN ^^

btw GEO did rip off many of the songs, but he mostly sampled stuff, again sometimes without giving credits which isn't right.

It's fine for him to arrange songs for her, but it should stop there. No more compositions, no more task interludes, he blew it with taskinist. It's an integrity thing. Plus, the final product has her name on it in big letters and his in small print, so people make the conclusion "Ayumi copied" not "tasuku copied."

Arrangement's are fine, because it's really impossible to copy an arrangement to a song that has a brand new melody, so I'm quite excited for GREEN =D~

Well, he's only had about 5 compositions with Ayu, so I don't think he'll be doing many more in the future. [taskinlude, taskinillusion, fairyland, tasking, taskinst] But if he does do one, I expect something good to come from it.. it's not like he's a bad composer because of one "screwup." I think it's dumb to not want any more task- interludes just because of taskinst, since he's obviously good at what he does.

I don't necessarily think it's Ayu's name plastered on the track, since she's technically nowhere to be found on it, and it's called "task(tasuku)inst" meaning that this is "task's (tasuku's) work" and you'll see very often that Ayu often calls his interludes by these names.. lol.

I wonder if Ayu would question it if it is brought to her attention.. but eh.

Ayu's name is on the album, Ayu's name is listed as the artist when you put the CD into your computer, not tasuku. That's enough for some people. taskinist is a copy, it's a black mark that can't be ignored. Just because the band he copied from isn't popular and no one really cares about the music itself in the long run doesn't change the fact that he, as a composer, stole someone else's composition. It's a screw up that can't be swept under the rug and over looked, he copied, and I don't want to see him compose because of it. I'd feel the same way about any other composer doing the same thing, even CREA herself (god forbid).